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tintingz:
aadoiza,

Do you believe Allah created everything out of nothing?

And please address the OP question.

I guess we'll ask Allah when we meet him.
Allah is omniscient.

Before you make OPs such as this you always knew beforehand they were gonna degenerate into back–and–forth, but you still went ahead to create them anyway just so you can use them (theists' submissions) as proofs for the purported Illogicalities and confusions, and other things not harmonious with your line of thought in theism. Did the advance knowledge you had change anything?

Akin1212:
Isn't your foolery obvious here? You just made a silly statement of multiplying two cars by 0. That on its own is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Lol, and you even think I am confused by that? Lmao, I just asked what your 0 is represented with to show you how illogical you are. Cars are material, whatever represents 0 in your silly example must also be material. This is not about belief, it's about using your brain which you have failed to use.
You don't guzzle up mumbo jumbo says someone who guzzled up the creation myth...

I'll rather guzzle up a theory that has been tested than guzzle up another man's story and delusions. Lmao.

The main problem we have is that we don't guzzle up delusions, unlike you. You cannot even give any plausible hypothetical explanation for what you believe than God did it, lol okay prove the God.

Evolution is horseshit says an indoctrinated fellow who doesn't even know what a gene is. Seriously speaking, I would be shocked if ignorants like you understand evolution the first time they hear it or even the 100th time. It's too complex for your mind to breakdown. So far it has been revealed how simple your mind is.

Like I said, your mind is simple. A way of evolving is not one animal changing or transitioning into another. There is no way evolution will take place if one generation is not passing information to their offspring which involves giving birth. I thought you actually understood evolution before making that statement, but now that it has been established that you cannot grasp the theory of evolution. Pardon me for thinking you can.
If evolution will take place, sexual reproduction or giving birth must be involved. Because that is the only way to pass the changes in DNA to the coming generation. I hope you have learnt something today.

Yeah, let's just put science aside. Logic is good because it supports everything that is real. If your God exists and it can do everything, can it kill itself? This is a very simple logic that shows that God can never exist.

Evolution is very demonstrable and it has been demonstrated many times. Evolution does not teaches that explosions create, and there's no science of explosion creating anything. I know you're talking about the big bang, another theory your brain cannot grasp. But I won't address that today. Why are you looking for something giving birth to another,I thought you said it's not related to evolution. Are you confused?

I don't believe in evolution, there's no belief system in science. We only make hypothesis and carry out experiments, then we draw a conclusion from the results of the experiments. So simple as 123.

I just cleared your confusions. And I am more than qualified to clear an ignorant fellow like you. A person who believes without evidence. LMao

But in religion, do you even need experiments?

It's all right

Akin1212:
The energy part is not an attempt to make anything plausible, you cannot explain nothingness without energy. A lie cannot have evidence. A lie will fail when investigated. Have you ever done any investigation concerning the concept of nothingness and what it really means? It appears your are giving it your own meaning. Do you even know that there are particles that are massless? I doubt. Those theories are being embellished by theists like you who have a swell time understanding the basic concepts. Sorry.
Lol, in your mind theism is the truth and does not need embellishment, right? No wonder there are about 1.4 billion atheists embellishing theism today vigorously and yet there's no evidence for any God as we speak.

You actually expect a specie to give birth to another specie? Lol that in its own defines ignorance. Do you even know genetics? I doubt.


How dare you talk about pseudo science when you reek of it? You think science is whatever proves God? Whatever is science must pass through scientific methods, and I act within that premise. You however, and the likes of you just assume science in line with your unprovable imaginary God. That's hilarious though.

We don't even need to bring in science to disprove this your imaginary friend. Logic alone trashes that concept. A God that can do everything cannot exist because it cannot kill itself. Let's leave science out of it, only logic is needed to clear your medieval mind of God. Science is not horseshit, it is the reason we are communicating on Nairaland now. Checkmate!

Can you imagine your example of 2 x 0 being zero? Chai.

Why are you so primitive and ignorant? If you multiply 2 cars by 0, what are you using to represent 0? Or are you using cars to represent cars and zero with 0 in your head?

Bring your confusions on gravitation, let's trash it for you.

Please do think before you type. Pleaseeee.

LOL that 0 by 2 really confuses you. Atheists will never get it unless spelled out. You're no way qualified to clear my confusions on anything. Unlike you, I don't guzzle up mumbo jumbo in the name of science. It's the main problem you people have. Science is cool, by the way.

Evolution is horseshit in the guise of science.

I tire for this guy. I don't know how transitioning is synonymous with giving birth.
A God that cannot kill itself? So much for atheistic logic

Well, believe whatever you wanna believe and lemme do so whatever I wanna. It's a free world, after all.

If evolution is not demonstrable, and you cannot demonstrate in nature where explosions create rather than destroy and where nothing gives birth to something then you remain a believer.

I hope you'd realise in the future how you had shown strong faith in delusions upon delusions in the name of science and you'd feel sorry for yourself. I've met a number of such people.

Akin1212:
Ignorance they say is bliss. Maybe you should try and understand what nothingness means from the scientific point of view first. It means no matter, but there's energy. There are massless particles my friend.

You cannot see the transition of one animal into another because it's not distinct, it takes time considering the conditions necessary for that to happen, you cannot live beyond 150 years. Besides, new species of animals are being discovered. Your myth of creation cannot account for them as their genes have precursors. I'll upload a picture that describes the collage example.

The evidence are pure, I'll also upload a couple...


Atheism is humanism in a way, if adults want to sleep or mate with people of same gender and it's not in anyway affecting me, they can go ahead. We all know that you theists will prefer to kill them only in the interest of your imaginary God. If not, how does what two adults decide to do in their bedroom become distasteful to you?

What's your business in their business

This is getting predictably tiresome.
Nothingness is nothingness. The energy part isimerely an attempt to make it plausible because a lie, and in this case a very big lie, has to make sense to be acceptable. That's why there's so much embellishments in those theories. Truth, on the other hand, does not need embellishing whether it makes sense or not.
I'm aware of all these "you can see an animal in transition 'cos of our relatively short life span" nonsense. It's all more mumbo jumbo pseudo science.

A lot of you are mistaking pseudo science for science. Science, even with all its appeal, is no substitute for God. Of course Almighty God is nonsense to independent thinkers like our dear atheists but it bemuses me how you can some the horseshit in science. You say 2x0=0; and if you multiply 2cars by 0, do you also get nothingness? I don't even want to go into gravitation or the constituents of the sun, etc. Atheists always asking silly questions is sheer mundaneness.

tintingz:
The scientific theories have more evidences than creation story e.g Evolution.

How we came to this level can be explain but why we're here is not known. If there's a creator or not is not known.

There are different accounts of creation myths, I hope you know that and they all claim their God created them.

There is a creation myth that said Mbombo a God vomited his creation.

Ok

The religious manuscripts influenced them, there are verses in the Bible and Quran where God is ordering his foot soldiers to fight for him.

Ofcos there are wars that has nothing to do with religion but religion has caused wars in history and even slavery!

The Nazists were under religious influence.

When religious people do bad things they see it as good thing. E.g a Muslim believe killing homosexuals is a good thing.

There is a quote "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." Steven Weinberg

It's not about the Nazis' struggles but what the Americans did with their scientists after the war. The Nazi scientists were captured and after the war were funded to continue the mind control experiments ,that was started in Nazi Germany, in the US.

When I looked at the so-called evidences they are but a bunch of drivels not worthy of a second look. If I don't get to see at least one animal in a transitory period evolving to a relatively higher animal and also things forming from nothingness then I'm sticking with creation.
I don't expect the supposedly well-enlightened atheists to accept homosexuality and would like to know how it conforms with our biological make-up. One doesn't need to be religious to find such an act distateful. If it's an incorrigible inclination, and purging the earth of those who brazenly indulge in such unimaginable filth is what religion enjoin then I stand by it.
I'm sure the manuscripts must have been taken out of contest. If some people are coming to kill me and God orders me to protect my life and properties, and kill them if I can before they succeed in their plot I don't see what's amiss there.
There is no wisdom in that quote. It's contrived and mischievous.

tintingz:
The question of "God" is still a debate for centuries, why do you think it's not a problem?

Why we are here is still unknown.

I have no reason to believe a God or Gods created us, no evidence pointing to that, the universe is known to form as a result of randomness according to scientific theories.

Religion is just part of the factors of these problems. Religion and God has been used to do cruel things.

That is the problem. God is used to carry out evil act.

Something influenced them which is religious beliefs.

If a group of people postulated "an existence by chance" theory without verifiable proof and another claimed we got created by a far superior being without physical proof either while I choose to go with the latter you, on the other hand, accept the former, ideally that should be no source of friction but humans go be humans.

However ridiculous the creation story is to atheists chance existence and evolution equally are to theists, especially me. However; if a tornado can sweep through a junk yard and assemble a Boeing 747 by chance then 'chance existence' it is.

Because God along with religions have been the subtext upon which certain individuals have carried out evil in the world does not make God culpable of such acts.

Wars have been fought over carnal ideaologies. People have been killed by virtue of their political affiliations. When US dropped nuclear bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki did it have any religious undertone? Abi when US were experimenting on mind control with Nazi scientists abducting and killing innocent people in the process was it for their religious beliefs? Humans will always carry out evil acts. It's embedded in our nature. The word ''Schadenfreude" was coined for a reason.

tintingz:
There are Theists that reason just like atheists, in fact there are some theists that reason more than atheists. Now you didn't get the context of my previous post.

Reasoning in my post has to do with theology, how religious people take fairytales serious. As you can see from the topic of this thread.


This is a fallacy. How did you it's God that provides?

Lol, look around and tell me you didn't see the problem in the society?

Terrorism, scamming religious members, superstitious, discrimination, religious crisis, Society backwardness etc The believe in God is not responsible?

If theists and atheists reasonings do align on most issues and there's a divergence of reasoning on theology I don't see how that's a problem. Besides, we all can't reason along the same line. It's simply not feasible.

Unless you'd want me to believe our being here is a result of some haphazardly random phenomenon, if not it is the almighty God that provides.

Religions or not, there always will be problems in the world because of varied interests, selfishness, greed, allegiances, ideaologies, race, and more. Thus, ascribing the ills of the world solely to theism is not only naive but mischievous.

The reason Religions may not always seem so innocuous or innocent is that the practitioners have the tendencies to twist doctrines for self-serving purposes, which is only human, as it happens in all fiefdoms.

tintingz:
My mission is to spread reasoning. Make una receive reasoning in God's name.

The position of atheism/atheists is plain, they lack the belief in existence of God. That's it.

Humans don't need God to better their lives, have purpose, be moral.

Lacking the belief in God is no Biggie. However; believing that you only need to be an atheist to apply reasoning is a sheerly fallacious reasoning on its own.
Of course we don't always need God to better our lives 'cos God has provided us with everything we need coupled with an unmatched intelligence.

What I find confounding is how the belief in God is supposedly holding humans back. I still don't geddit. And that's why I need atheists to show us what they're doing differently.

tintingz:
If I don't ask questions who will?

Engaging in debate, argument, discussion is the bedrock of enlightenment and knowledge.

Many of the Ancient Greek philosophers were not religious but they much engaged in theological debate and questioning we reference today.

So your mission, now, is to spread the gospel of atheism.
I'd rather you shared the knowledge and wisdom atheism has got to offer the world which, I believe, would be more fruitful than the unnecessary back and forth, and slagging-off of religions on a faceless forum.

tintingz:
The Quran said Allah destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of the sins and evil of the people, one of the main reason is the practice of homosexuality.

Did Allah tried when he sent Lut to to warn them? He's ominipotent and knows things beforehand, why can't he stop these things he hate so much from onset?

What about Children and infants, were they also killed?

Na waa for you. I thought you left religions already and are now pretty much enlightened. So, why ask so many questions about religions every bloody time? Hope it ain't some kinda insufferable identity crisis issue.

Can't wait

Nigerian government and useless moves. SMH

A bunch of dimwitted ritualists.

Empiree:
problem with you christians and atheists is that, you don't know difference btw right and wrong. As a result of that you guys would want to relate with anything and everything. This is typically the case of non-muslims altogether. Example of this is my former coworker from Nepal. He is Hindu. He told me that he prayed with muslims on ordinary days in the mosques and they did not prevent him and his hindu friends. He knows many islamic phrases and verses of Quran. I actually thought he was muslim bcus he responded to my greeting, "salam alaikum". He said further that "but you muslims don't come to pray with us or celebrate with us on our hindu festivals". I said 'of course they wouldn't do that. If you are sure of your religion you would not join muslims in worship in the first place'.

So in islam, we have rules and principles. I do not support albaqir's approach fully. I only accept what is reasonable from his view and neither do i support op's position fully. I only take what is reasonable from him as well. I maintain my position that January 1st and xmas have nothing to do with our religion. But if a muslim decides to offer tahajjud (night prayer) on December 31st, it is his decision but i am not the one to judge him/her. Some do offer tahajjud occasionally and it falls on Dec 31st. Problem is the effects of colony took a toll on us. Colonial masters forced their way of life on us. This is why we have our birth certificates written in gregorian calendar.

However, when it comes to greetings whether "merry xmas or happy new year", there is nothing wrong with these in as much as muslim does not join you in your religious rituals. If you can greet muslims on eld and we have no problems with that, hence, there is no problem with greeting you or responding to greetings. This is simple courtesy.

Hijra or 1st of Muharram is what our muslim brethren need to promote.

Incisive as ever.

Beggars everywhere.

Only fools will applaud this nonsense.

AlBaqir:
There are also good and true hadiths in it. It is only a myth that everything in it is authentic.

I agree with this.
Anyone who actually believes their books of ahadith, which were written and compiled several decades after Rosul had left us, to be 100% genuine is either terribly delusional or mentally disturbed and should seek urgent psychological and/or psychiatric help before their condition turn to a full-blown irredeemable psychosis.

LordReed:
LoL you folk always lay claim to some secret knowledge or the other. Bring it to open now and it becomes a problem. Why?

It wasn't a claim but a reference. And It's no secret knowledge for it's everywhere. You probably just haven't been looking at the right places. Besides, bringing it to the open ain't gonna change nothing unless it's done by the authorities.
I dey go sleep joor.

LordReed:
LoL! Top echelon indeed. And those are found on Nairaland?

OK so who brought down the WTC?

You never know; they could be on Nairaland.

What I'm trying to say is that there are almost always official and unofficial stories of every event that happens, and the closer you're to the source the more privy you'd be to the unofficial story. After all, history is never objective.

Ont the WTC, let's leave that to close quarters.

LordReed:
Any student of world history would be better suited to answer the question. Christians hardly bother with such things.

Not better suited but believe what they're made to.
Just as students of world history would believe Muslims actually brought down the WTC.
However; only those at the top echelon for Christianity are better suited.

Trapnews:
Over 90% of Nigerians are cowards! in sane countries, Citizens will protest and demand for regular power supply before implementation of this laws. Yes over 90% of Nigerians are cowards!

Lead us, sir. We dey behind you.

LordReed:
Well what gave you the impression it was exclusively for Christians to answer?

The guy asked a question concerning the Christian headquarters of the world and I believe Christians are better suited to answer it.

'I was assaulted and sexually harassed' bleh bleh bleh.

I was actually thinking phyno had been consigned into oblivion until recently, when a guy hyperbolically called the skins of some ladies burnt offering and preferred ladies with phyno-esque skin.

LordReed:
Show us where it was written Christians only.

I thought it was obviously a Christian question.

nijabazaar:
Is a lie.

Try hereditary and see if u can remain the same.

What of the Autopsy of Jane Doe. My friend, just humour me with this one and see if you can still say this comment

Autopsy of Jane doe? Yeah. About the best I've seen in the genre in a while.

lonlytroy:
Picture of your sister in slut mood or i don't believe

You wan try mark your own register. I see you.

CreepyBlackpool:
Everyone in your family is just over reacting.

Y'all should take a a deep breath and calm down for a sec.





Now, solution.

Ask your father for 5k.
Go to the market.
Spend the entire money on canes, koboko and #300 pepper.
Whenever she comes back lock her in.
You grab her legs, your mother grabs her hands.
Your father should make sure he finishes all that cane on her.
Rub the pepper in her anus and private parts.
Her brain will reset and her sense will be restored.

16yr old already collecting d!ck!!!!!!
Is she mad

Wow!!! Great formatting technique.

sukerefakere:
Horror is bae
So I'll pass

Horror movies these days are wack.

clive2u:
i think we should leave atheist alone, its their believe. we've tried to show them the way bt they dont want to believe so i think we should focus on making heaven(our belief) so u dont end up with them

I love this counsel. To me, atheism and atheists shouldn't be taken seriously.

opalu:
All the Atheists I know are simply God-haters who feel that the only way they can get back atmosphere Him is to deny His existence. But even demons tremble whenever they remember that God exists. �

Spot on. In fact, nigerian atheists are the worst of them. They're just a bunch of blinkered, confounded, and awfully hypocritical God-haters. Never ever take'em seriously.

I thought this question was directed to christians and so should be answered by them. However; I can see some atheists already arrogating to themselves the position of arbiters. (Typical.)