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Hello All. Been a while. Happy New Year to you all .

Anyway, here's a vid i'd like you to check out. An international effort at promoting Naija Rhythms he he . Please note, the intention is to celebrate the naija beats & rhythm and not the content of the song. We say yes to sweet music and No to Yahoo Yahoo.

Ladies and Gentlemen , Heres is the International Yahooooze. Watch out for the greek connection.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=erD9cslhmlE

Hello All. Been a while. Happy New Year to you all  . Is Kitaun, Acidrop et al still alive?.

Anyway, here's a vid  i'd like you tocheck out, An international effort at promoting Naija Rhythms. Please note, the intention is to celebrate  the  naija beats & rhythm and not  the content of  the song. We say yes to sweet music and No to Yahoo Yahoo.

Ladies and Gentlemen , Heres is the International Yahooooze.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=erD9cslhmlE

Apologiesssssssssssss! Neither to u  nor those arguing with u (Muslim or NOt). You seem not to get it. It's baseless to take sides in this affair.

Long time. How are u doing. Infact Happy New Year. Just stumbled on Nairaland today.

Will we ever stop biting one another? God,there are more important issues, people are dying regardless of their faith Muslims, Xtains, Jews and evil is perpetrated in teh lnd by Muslims, Jews ,Xtains.

Africa is in big wahala and we waist burn energy arguing on religious correctness. Crap everything.
Remember ppl believed before Islam as we know it today or Christainity came to our Land. Lets not start another crusade.

I believe in God and Good Simple. Yes, I'm a Muslim.

[center]To AUTHOR,

SIMPLE AND CLEAR. TANUSHKA !!!!!!!!!

DON'T DO A BLOOD OATH WITH ANYONE. !!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S PUTS YOUR LIFE AT RISK. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IF A MAN CAN'T TRUST YOU ON YOUR WORDS AND ACTIONS THEN ASK YOURSELF,
IS IT WORTH BEING WITH HIM?

REGARDS[/center]

O dear you, the Lord of Hosts, may your mercy shine on the oppressed of the world. Let not the affair of our Nigeria, continue to degenerate into chaos, shine your light unto us and make of us, a sign that indeed you are the Lord of the Worlds.

Amin.

Gud Question?

When r are really really ready. Could it be when ur Mission ,Vision,Strategy and Resources are ready and available.

May u rest in peace. Abiola
May that which u left behind and that which you face be successful.

PLs keep the thread active!

[center]Nigerian dies on deportation flight from Spain[/center]


Please Read d letter

[url]http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/component/option,com_philaform/Itemid,195/form_id,1/[/url]

Help spread d news by sending a copy of the letter to as many people as possible. You cld also register your grievance by sending a copy to the Spanish fembassy in Abuja: embespng@mail.mae.es

Pex Petroleum Corporation, a United States-based firm managed by a Nigerian, has offered a leeway to the recurring energy crisis in Nigeria with a view to saving up to $500 million for the Federal Government in the process. The corporation said in a letter to President Musa Yar'Adua and read to the press on Monday that it was also very possible for Nigeria "to eliminate over 50 per cent of fuel importation within four years without the refineries that had been privatised." The letter by the corporation's president, Anthony Onianwah which was also copied the Senate President, David Mark read in part: " Your excellency, I urge you to suspend the price hike for three months to enable you review the situation with my study group. On June 8th, ours was conferred with an award by the minority congress as energy company of the year. I am a Nigerian. Convinced that it is the Nigerian poor that are indeed subsidising fuel price for the upper class, we are confident in proposing that the right policy and regulatory framework followed by diligent and competent implementation and infrastructure could significantly impact on the domestic petroleum market within six months while rolling back the recent price hike."

Which means u must constantly be ready and ahead of their plans. I tell u my brother, the tactics of politics and war  can really be helpful.

My advice is this, people can only dissapoint you within the limits of what the can do(thoughts). By  being ahead of' em and probably contemplating their eevry possible  move ,u can check the situation.. Always be at least 6 months or 1 year ahead of em in thoughts and strategies(Physical,Intellectual & Spiritual.)

ITS ABOUT PLANNING & RE PLANNING WITHOUT MAKING UR ACTIONS TOO APPARENT AND STILL HOPING THINGS GO WELL.

davidylan:
another blind hypocrite bites the dust

Na u Sabi.

@ pilgrim1
Cheers.

Long Time all.
@pilgrim

Has been an interesting & challenging conversation. @ d end of it all, You are entitled to your opinion my Lady.Am grateful to God,Life to have toed the path of Islam, I consider it a miracle in my Life. I wish you all d best in Life.

Kind Regards.
Kabir

Regards Had thought this would never come! Cheers!

It appears it never Ends.

I'm comfortable with Islam and do not believe men should earnestly base their believe on physical miraculous events rather on simple and clear rational ideas or events on which they could ponder and agree with. Nonetheless, i shall henceforth include here references of Signs(u call it miracles) attributed to Muhammad and the prophets (Jesus,Moses et al) in the Quran. From such simple thing greater thing could emanate. Well that how i see and have experienced things.

<sub>Quote from: abdkabir on Today at 01:41:30 AM
Thus , many people failing to see what the Quran says about Miracle.Also, the prevailing social context in recent years,more notably in areas where Muslims are mixed with Christians has made many muslims fall to the error of mimicking the emphasis physical/intriguing events as a basis for believing or not. I'm saying that miracle.extraordinary happening arent necesarily good for faith,what i'm saynig its should be the primary basis for faith.

Did you make a mistake here and instead meant what you're saying or rather what you're not saying?</sub>

Sorry, I did and have corrected that.

^{I strongly disagree with the inference that "Islam does not support lame submission". On the contrary it does - and that is why the Islamic way of thinking is ever shifting in the puerile interpretations of the Ulema who use it for their own political ends. Pardon me, but let me say that the call to reason in Islam is fictive and a postiche, ever will be so, as long as they strongly hold onto the view that even if one is right, he/she is still in error!}

Getting tired You need to love and related to d context to understand,well thats my belief. Unfortunately few do these now a days. Many have turned to absolutism while other to the opposite direction. The basic premise for the Abu Dawud bk 25,3644 is simple, "No one interpretes a verse of the Quran based on his own opinion only but rather has to do a critical analysis of the verse with respect to all or many previous opinions to its revelation and then ones personal conclusion. The reasons for this is that written words do not capture the whole of the message and thus past commentaries as near as possible to the revelation of the verse would help shed more light as to the context of revelation.
It should be to noted that this is also the practice within scientific cycles. That in analysing an issue you should critically evaluate previous point of views to such issue before coming to your conclusions. This is my understanding of the Hadith and this is Hod i have always taking the issues of the Sunnah.

I guess this resource could shed more light on the issue:http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/scienceofhadith/atit.html


Salam and wish u the best in your affairs.


Please find below verses of the Quran as translated by Yusuf Ali, M Pickthal & SHAKIR

1st Verse

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YUSUFALI: They (also) said: "Allah took our promise not to believe in an messenger unless He showed us a sacrifice consumed by Fire (From heaven)." Say: "There came to you messengers before me, with clear Signs and even with what ye ask for: why then did ye slay them, if ye speak the truth?"

PICKTHAL: (The same are) those who say: Lo! Allah hath charged us that we believe not in any messenger until he bring us an offering which fire (from heaven) shall devour. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Messengers came unto you before me with miracles, and with that (very miracle) which ye describe. Why then did ye slay them? (Answer that) if ye are truthful!

SHAKIR: (Those are they) who said: Surely Allah has enjoined us that we should not believe in any messenger until he brings us an offering which the fire consumes. Say: Indeed, there came to you messengers before me with clear arguments and with that which you demand; why then did you kill them if you are truthful?


2nd Verse

004.153

YUSUFALI: [/b]The people of the Book ask thee to cause a book to descend to them from heaven: Indeed they asked Moses for an even greater (miracle), for they said: "Show us Allah in public," but they were dazed for their presumption, with thunder and lightning. Yet they worshipped the calf even after clear signs had come to them; even so we forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority.

[b]PICKTHAL: The people of the Scripture ask of thee that thou shouldst cause an (actual) Book to descend upon them from heaven. They asked a greater thing of Moses aforetime, for they said: Show us Allah plainly. The storm of lightning seized them for their wickedness. Then (even) after that) they chose the calf (for worship) after clear proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty) had come unto them. And We forgave them that! And We bestowed on Moses evident authority.

SHAKIR: The followers of the Book ask you to bring down to them a book from heaven; so indeed they demanded of Musa a greater thing than that, for they said: Show us Allah manifestly; so the lightning overtook them on account of their injustice. Then they took the calf (for a god), after clear signs had come to them, but We pardoned this; and We gave to Musa clear authority.


020.133

YUSUFALI: They say: "Why does he not bring us a sign from his Lord?" Has not a Clear Sign come to them of all that was in the former Books of revelation?

PICKTHAL: And they say: If only he would bring us a miracle from his Lord! Hath there not come unto them the proof of what is in the former scriptures?

SHAKIR: [/b]And they say: Why does he not bring to us a sign from his Lord? Has not there come to them a clear evidence of what is m the previous books?


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[b]YUSUFALI: verily We have propounded for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable: But if thou bring to them any Sign, the Unbelievers are sure to say, "Ye do nothing but talk vanities."

PICKTHAL: Verily We have coined for mankind in this Qur'an all kinds of similitudes; and indeed if thou camest unto them with a miracle, those who disbelieve would verily exclaim: Ye are but tricksters!


SHAKIR: And certainly We have set forth for men every kind of example in this Quran; and if you should bring them a communication, those who disbelieve would certainly say: You are naught but false claimants.

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YUSUFALI: But if they see a Sign, they turn away, and say, "This is (but) transient magic."

PICKTHAL: [/b]And if they behold a portent they turn away and say: Prolonged illusion.
[b]
SHAKIR: And if they see a miracle they turn aside and say: Transient magic.

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YUSUFALI: We have sent down to thee Manifest Signs (ayat); and none reject them but those who are perverse.

PICKTHAL: Verily We have revealed unto thee clear tokens, and only miscreants will disbelieve in them.

SHAKIR: And certainly We have revealed to you clear communications and none disbelieve in them except the transgressors.

003.013


YUSUFALI: "There has already been for you a Sign in the two armies that met (in combat): One was fighting in the cause of Allah, the other resisting Allah; these saw with their own eyes Twice their number. But Allah doth support with His aid whom He pleaseth. In this is a warning for such as have eyes to see."


PICKTHAL: There was a token for you in two hosts which met: one army fighting in the way of Allah, and another disbelieving, whom they saw as twice their number, clearly, with their very eyes. Thus Allah strengtheneth with His succour whom He will. Lo! herein verily is a lesson for those who have eyes.


SHAKIR: Indeed there was a sign for you in the two hosts (which) met together in encounter; one party fighting in the way of Allah and the other unbelieving, whom they saw twice as many as themselves with the sight of the eye and Allah strengthens with His aid whom He pleases; most surely there is a lesson in this for those who have sight

@topic

Your Question is totally HELPLESS

AMERICA take over NIGERIA .

GOD FORBID


God Save U.

Dear Sister,

But for Bab987 assertion, i'd been suspecting u were an atheist. Your position that miracle isn't alluded to in the Quran , i guess is flawed. I am suspecting your non recognition of the miracles in the Quran is because it (Quran) didn't refer to miracle in the same context and word as the only other popular religious book we know did (the Bible). Thus , many people failing to see what the Quran says about Miracle.Also, the prevailing social context in recent years,more notably in areas where Muslims are mixed with Christians has made many muslims fall to the error of mimicking the emphasis physical/intriguing events as a basis for believing or not. I'm not saying that miracle/extraordinary happening arent necesarily good for faith,what i'm saynig its should be the primary basis for faith. I consider the primary reasons for faith to be the message of a Man and the simple proof of that message in that mans life that i could also apply to mine. Many at time the simple things like (effect on message on way of life etc) endure longer

The Qu'ran has always backed the authenticity of it position by refering and using the word "ayats" rather than 'miracles'.It has also alayes urged pondering and reasoning onthis 'ayats' that men may understand.

I'II agree with you that, over the years, many in Islam have chosen the path of ignorance perhaps for convinience reason or perhaps for sopme problem within the community i guess shld be confronted.

I am of the opinion that Islam does not support lame submission, it does call people to reasoning just as it urges it be done sustainably. That is , you ponder but while knowing u know not all and shld rely on information from those around you. I do not mean to deny , that there aren't problems of information .

Allah indeed have always mentioned ayats as references for people to understand his word, and the word used has been "Ayats" translated to "Signs". And this is my understanding of the issue.

[quote author=pilgrim.1 link=topic=48380.msg1085710#msg1085710 date=1178089369]@abdkabir,

In all my years as a former Muslim, we've been told so many stuff that are simply NOT true. We dreaded (and still dread) engaging our thinking faculties to investigate the religion and claims of Muhammad - even in the face of obvious evidence that contradict such claims. Tell me, dear abdkabir, if that is not programming the mind to make automatons out of people, then why is my question a huge challenge to otherwise intelligent Muslims?[/quote]Well, i do not dispute this claim but also i guess it hasn't been a general situation. I guess i can speak for myself and family that Islam has been an issue open to discussion and pondering since i was a kid. This is not to suggest that there were points of view i simply submitted to @ some stage in my life still, such submissions many at times turned to be helpful later in life when i understood the benefits therein. I tend to believe there is more to address in the way the present generation teach Islam. I agree there are some elements of forced imposition of teachings within the present teaching methods within the community but I'm also of the opinion that by looking within Islam, we can solve this problems if we wish to.

To give an emphatic answer on the miracle issue, a thought just came in:

Judging the Sources of Islam Jurisprudence are two (Quran and Sunnah) and that both help one another in some way. The Quranic reference to ayats/signs and the hadith reference to miracles is indeed reconcilable. Interestingly, i haven't really been two bothered or shld i say based my faith on the miracle stories of the prophet in the Sunnah. I have rather based my learning in life on the examples & ayats of people past which Allah mentioned in the Quran.

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YUSUFALI: And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse (to receive it) except with ingratitude!

PICKTHAL: And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Qur'an all kind of similitudes, but most of mankind refuse aught save disbelief.

SHAKIR: And certainly We have explained for men in this Quran every kind of similitude, but most men do not consent to aught but denying.

Kind regards and God Bless.

@ pilgrim1

Your counter-responses suggest an already made mindset on this issue before asking the Question starting this thread.

I'm convinced miracles/extra-ordinary events/magical occurrences are quite related but more important is believing in the True Word(God and doing good). This is not meant to ignore/ under recognise the importance of the miracles of the Men of God but to emphasize the importance of the message/word/intelligence /wisdom those Men conveyed over the miracle.Miracles are meant to support the Message. Thus the message is meant to be superior .

This is guess is the essence i observe from ways of the good men of Old (Muslim,Christian , Jew or whoever)


Well, since it appears you are resolute on your position, I'd say i wish you be best in affairs.

Regards.

The Quran wouldn't make emphasis on miracles as it considers believing isn't necessarily about witnessing magical/dazzling occurrences but by emphasizing on the information considered to be key to one's success in Life. The emphasis of the Quran has always been "the Kitab" or "the book" or "the sign " and "the word" or "the message" the book brings. Thats the emphasis of the Quran and that i consider to be more important than "Miracles in the Physical".

Muslims as well have in occasions incorporated over emphasizing miracles as a means of Justifying faith. A development i consider de-emphasizes the core of Islam which is Believing , doing good and submitting. My experience in life has been, by believing in the word and submitting , one might as well live a life filled with miracles without necessarily knowing or celebrating every occasion.

For me it simply "Read (IQRA) the Book, get wisdom from it and apply it to your life. You will definitely be successfully". Interestingly thats is the main promise of Islam .I'm happy to have achieved some level of this success though pondering on the Quran.

Witnessing magical occurrences could be helpful but more important is[b] Believing[/b] by means of reasoning and submission.I intend not to argue but to share my view of answer to your Question.

The etymology analysis was to help your understanding of the word "Quran" .

Salam

Islam considers the Quran as the greatest because: It seeks to change the most important part of man (The brain) through perhaps the simplest and memorable medium (the word).

From the studies of ethymologies, the Quran can simply be translated  or decomposed into [b]"The Reading"[/b] or "That which is to be Read". .Simply, its the sign(ayat) of the Lord which is to be read and understood that man would be successsful.

B4 Starting off with the hand shaking thread there are some thing i'ii like to shed more ligh on:

I Shall be reproducing here the true and complete version of the hadithes(Using the Sahi Bukhari and Muslim) some people have used in accusing Islam by copying them out of contexts.
Source:

From the Book 11 (On issue of the call to prayer):



<sup>For those who posit accusative comparisms/analogies were used against Jew,christian etc, here is a case against muslim in prayer This analogies were used for the sole aim of depicting the evil in doing the acts of violation being done simple.

Volume 1, Book 11, Number 660:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "Isn't he who raises his head before the Imam afraid that Allah may transform his head into that of a donkey or his figure (face) into that of a donkey?"


in this Hadith, a slave(Black, Jew or whetever) lead the prayers in Quba soley because he knew the Quran more than the others
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------[/b]Volume 1, Book 11, Number 661:
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

When the earliest emigrants came to Al-'Usba a place in Quba', before the arrival of the Prophet- Salim, the slave of Abu Hudhaifa, who knew the Qur'an more than the others used to lead them in prayer.

[b]
This is the famous hadith which i obsvere has been quoted unfairly out of context, I would understand this hadith to mean Listen to your leader even if such a leader has was an aborigene from wherever

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Volume 1, Book 11, Number 662:
Narrated Anas:

The Prophet said, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief."



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Volume 1, Book 11, Number 663:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "If the Imam leads the prayer correctly then he and you will receive the rewards but if he makes a mistake (in the prayer) then you will receive the reward for the prayer and the sin will be his."



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Volume 1, Book 11, Number 664:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said to Abu-Dhar, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin."</sup>

I wish you the Same.

@initiate

The killing of the Christian Teacher is definately uncalled for and should be condemned.Religious & ethnic violence in NIgeria should be discouraged and seriously contained. Allah is the Arabic denomination of the One Supreme Being which is refered to as God in English.

@stimulus
Simply put, Your way to you and mine to me. As i noted in previous posts, Muhammed was not discriminatory on the basis of race rather he condemened transgressors and evil doers be they Jews, Arabs, Christians or Muslims. There are verses of the Quran which corrrobrate this.If you had read the post preceding my last post, you would have noticed that my suggesting "Muhammed could have criticised anyone" was not to hide the fact some jews were the ones being accussed in the issue of the Sabath. The previous post was a response to batu who posited that the persons being refered to were [b]Ethiopians.[/b]

So you see, there's nothing to Hide. Quran spoke against the Jews, Christians, Arabs et al when it considered their action was not right just as the Quran spoke well of the Jews, Chritians , Arabs when there actions were in line with God.

Apparently, you have concluded on the Muhammed and do not appear to want assess issues objectively nor fairly. Thus it would be better you be on your way and i hold on to Mine.

Ma'Salam

It seems somoe hurry to castigateTinubu even when its been clear that anyone who opposes OBJ is being bullied by the imperial himself. The alleged 16 account issue like all other failed attempt to ridicule Tinubu will fail the test of time.

I tell you OBJ is trying to pull the final strings. By Gods Grace it isn't over until it is.I can tell you with authority that this plan has been for long, for as early as late as last year,but just as Tinubus impeachment failed, so will this. Rather than buy FGs propaganda i praise the people of Lagos State and Tinubu for being one of the only bastion of true democracy or @ least better democracy in Nigeria.

Long Live the people of Lagos, Long Live Democracy, Long Live the True defenders of good for the people and Long LIve Good in our Land.

Congrats Man. Keep it up, we too will get there someday

Because we are not yet ready.

@batu

Silence would have been adequate for your comment but then your passively offensive statement requires a response.At times,salient an gradual accusations could be worse than outright violence. You don't have to be stupid to be Muslim. Everyone rants about Islamic violence while many a people here continue to ridicule and by inference latently inflict some kind of pain and anger to those who are Muslims. I refuse to be bullied by your abusive words. You don't have to call muhammend silly or infer muslims don't use their brain to proof your point. You shldn't accuse a man until you clearify what he/she meant to say.What feeling do u expect a muslim to have after going through the series of latent ridiculing.


I certainly didn't mean to infer Muhammad by refering to some jews in that context discriminated against them. All i intended to infer by thats tatement was that , yes Muhammed talked about a people (could have been any peope jew, arab or whatever) who transgressd on a commandment of God and were punished. Same way Muhammed talked baout old Arab Nation like the (Thamud people) who also transgressed on other issues and were punished. Yes Muhammed probably compared black man to satan same way he said Bilal (a black man) would have entered paradise before him. Same way he extremely praised the Negus (King of Abysinnia Ethiopia) before and after his death.

I hope and pray, one day when the circumstanca and environment allows it, we get to appreciate and celebrate more of the goods thing believers have in common than the continuous finger pointing on Islam.I for one have concluded that Religion or Ethnic disparity won't be a basis for repulsing my people.

Regards and God Bless.

Davidylan

You are generalizing usinig a cartoon that is clearly defamatory and if true, a particular case and not a general accusation of ethiopians.MUhammedhad a very very close relationship with ethiopia in his time. U shld know Ethiopia served as a haven for the early Muslims in their early days of struggle and they had mch regard for the ethiopian though they were christians.

<sup>Volume 2, Book 23, Number 412:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle informed about the news of the death of An-Najash (King of Ethiopia) on the day he expired. He said, "Ask Allah's forgiveness for your brother. " Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet made them align in rows at the Musalla and said four Takbir.</sup>


I am certain the people being talked about are the Jews as i'm quite conversant with the verse.It appears you didnt take a look at th following image. You don't have to go this far to slander Islam.

Davidylan