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Katsumoto:


You were telling a bold-faced LIE. It is not possible to learn another language in a month. If it were that easy, people would be learning like 11/12 languages in a year. I repeat, you have never tried to learn another language; if you had, you WOULD know that it is impossible to learn another language in one month. That was an ignorant lie. Not even a native Spanish/Italian/Portuguese/Romanian could learn French in one month.

ok

Katsumoto:


Clearly you have not tried to learn another language. Your friend learnt French in one month? Osanobua.

You mean your friend learnt some french words in one month?

Please leave the fairy tales at your village square.

he he he

u are doubting me?

I don't have to convince u.

Believe whatever your mind tells u

ekt_bear:
Nope, there are some Igbos in northern Anambra who are related to Igala. Or so I have read, at least.

Perhaps ACM10 is one of these, hence his denial of the Igala-Yoruba connection

Stop beating round the bush.

I challenge you to provide an evidence of major cultural and linguistic ties between Yorubas and Igalas.

Pls don't bore me with oduduwa folklores

alj harem:
A lot of lies have been flying around most especially from that mumu call ACM10 At least if you think your people who happen to be Igbos were rubbish PLEEASSSSEE don't drag yorubas to it.

1. A civilisation existed way before Oduduwa, bini etc In present day Igboland and it is the oldest in southern Nigeria. Check your history and stop thinking low of yourself

2. Bini conquered Olofin who happen to be the one of the founding fathers of my people aworis(yoruba).

3. Oduduwa gave birth to the dynasty in in the present day Edo NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. The only reason why Bini think they formed Ile-ife dynasty is because Bini language is distant from the present day conventional yoruba. but Go to ekiti and parts of Ondo, most of the people there can speak both yoruba and edo easily.

4. After the formation of bini dynasty, then the bini conquered the present day Igbo people because it was more or least villages and clans.

Get your facts right ACM10 !!!!! if your people were Unclad and running around the bush hunting nkita My people did not and our civilization speaks for itself

Go to present day Togo, benin republic, there are Obas and Onis there and speak yoruba

even to Ghana the ewe and Ga people of Accra, a well learnt yoruba can speak and communicate with them

Dayome was One of the numerous kingdoms The yoruba conquoured and today Pot novo is named Ajesan. Not by mistake not by bini but by yorubas who were Egbas. Cotoune is a yoruba speaking town and even the president of Benin republic today is Yoruba.

My people aka Aworis yes did not do much in yoruba history either were they under Oyo empire but today we know our history and how things came to be.

I am a prince in Lagos and If your check the linage of Kings in Lagos after Olofin (Hope i am right) was defeated, we had some Edo people as kings afterward Aworis again because of the interwoven nature of the bini and yorubas.

I have posted this kingship linage on Nairaland before, go read some of my post by step1.

In lagos today we Aworis acknowledge the Edo people among us and it is a mutual respect thing because we cannot even identify the difference.

The word Eko is war camp in Bini and farmland in yoruba because the aworis use the land to grow pepper, cassava and others

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Now the word "Igbo" is a recent discovery and it is used to describe a collection of people who speak different variation of the present day Igbo.

There was nothing like "Igbo" some years back because their is nothing that binds them. The only thing that binds them now is Nigeria and it is a case of "my enemy's enemy is my friend". I am not going to dwell to much on Igbo history as they know their history.

Look at this jester.

Did u produce this crap with your clear eyes?

Who overdosed u with cheap locally-produced ethanol?

Ol boy, I think I will dump this load of excrement where it belongs

This is crap and is not worthy of my response.

sbeezy8:
WE- dont know anything. you are not yoruba or bini so you cannot argue for either group. If bini says igbo-anambra originated in benin - via chima, who am i to say otherwise, im not bini and im not igbo. so why do you want to argue the history of yorubas n binis for themselves you are neither.

I think you should be pointing at yourself

sbeezy8:
you sound like a 5 yr old.

Yes

A super 5 yr old who swooped on an adult

Negro_Ntns:
Here is what one of the princes of that imitated title said.  You dont have to listen to me.  Listen to your own prince.

who is that pls?

Negro_Ntns:
The problem with you ibos is you have thin skin for debating issues without getting offended and whining or resorting to tale of victimization.

Everyone in Nigeria knows. . . everyone, when it comes to greatness in this country, you are the lowest of the low.  You are a manufactured majority tribe, thanks to Lugard.  Before he stepped foot here the Ibibios and the Igalla and Binis were the rulers and domain sovereignties in West and East of Niger.  It is documented.  

Would you like me to bare your a s ses in the harmattan wind again?  Do you want me to bring the record out and quash this argument once and for all?  

Should I respond to your silly conjecture?

I think I'll give a pass

sbeezy8:
[size=20pt]im not an oduduwa meaning i dont subscribe to everything SOME yorubas believe. i am a yoruba tho[/size] and not all yorubas beilieve oduduwa or bini connection,or sudan connection or arabia,or even ife. im not historian- i dont even care.

all i kno is theres no big problem between binis n yorubas aside from that point of history. as far as im concerned being yoruba is cultural, ive met people with bini, igarra names who say they are yorubas simply because thats how they are raised ive met igaras binis with yoruba last names who call themselves edo and not yoruba.

it varies from person to person. my point is why are igbo so adamant about creating friction. i've read that igbo in anambra originate from bini- who am i to dispute it?

Guy shatap dia!

Find a clever way to twist it

I exposed your dirrty inconsistent asss

Negro_Ntns:
Culturally, there has never been a similarity between Yoruba and Igbo, and there is never going to be one.  We are talking about cultural unity, not geographic placement.  In fact even in geography, Edo is not the midway between West and East.

[size=20pt]Bini did not create monarchy for Yoruba but Bini created monarchy for Igbo.[/size]  Huge difference!!

ACM10:
I can't agree more with you

My problem is with [size=20pt]yoruba supremacist[/size] who wants to re-write history and attribute vain glory to the yorubas.

We all know that binis are great civilization that may pre-date oduduwa and nri.

[size=20pt]But yorubas are fond of re-writing history and creating the position of senior partners for themselves.[/size]

When we know that prior to british colonization, yorubas are loose confederation that are constantly at war with each other, which makes them easier to be conquered by foreign forces.

can u see now?

Negro_Ntns:
. . . . what other form of account or evidence is more concrete than a narrative on one side that is corroborated and acknowledged on the other side?

What are you looking for. . . . dna?

he he he

Naration from who?

Negro_Ntns and other yoruba tribal nuts

he he he

exotik:
by mere looking at the location of edo in nigeria, it is not difficult to understand why edo cannot be said to the closer to yoruba without being close to igbo. edo is right in the middle of the east and west of southern nigeria. and edo enjoyed empire status for 400 years(?) until it was dismantled by the british a little over a hundred years ago, and that is not even up to half the time edo was an empire. so instead of yorubas and igbos to appreciate the similarities between them, they keep fighting over pettiness and celebrate their differences while claiming to be share similarities with edo,  errr, it doesnt work that way. edo is in this unique position because of its location and the authority it once commanded.

now, unlike the yorubas, oduduwa is not the alpha and omega of the edo people. before oduduwa, edo had developed a monarchical system of govt for centuries and they had over 30 ogisos before oduduwa, and it was this monarchial system of govt that oduduwa took ife and i guess everybody already knows the edo version of oduduwa. the yorubas rejected the edo version of oduduwa and opted for the mythical one or the one from somewhere in arabia.

now granted edo had a connection with the yoruba intially but the growth of edo did not stop there. edo started growing as an empire during reign of oba ewuare who was the 12th or so oba and by the regin of oba esigie, edo grew into igbo areas with by establishing a monarchial system of govts all the way to present day onitsha through eze chime and i guess everybody knows the edo version of eze chime but the igbos rejected the edo version and opted for the eastern version, although, they didnt stretch their version all the way to the far far east in arabia but ended somewhere around imo/abia

but looking at edo today, though it had connection with yoruba people earlier, and it also had connection with igbos later and that is why the edo culture mirrors both east and west, and in recent time mirrors the north due to islamic influence from the north. and that is why we are neither hausa, igbo or yoruba . . . but edo.

I can't agree more with you

My problem is with yoruba supremacist who wants to re-write history and attribute vain glory to the yorubas.

We all know that binis are great civilization that may pre-date oduduwa and nri.

But yorubas are fond of re-writing history and creating the position of senior partners for themselves.

When we know that prior to british colonization, yorubas are loose confederation that are constantly at war with each other, which makes them easier to be conquered by foreign forces.

sbeezy8:
I dont know what you dont understand about

1)Bini history claims Oba of Lagos is bini
2)Bini history claims that Bini soldiers intermarried with Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos.

Bini historians-

Alternatively, the Benin believe that he was a prince that was banished by his father, the "Ogiso" of Benin. His name, they claim, is derived from "Idoduwa", meaning "fortune's path", symbolizing the painful exile from his ancestral home. In support of this view, they claim, Oduduwa's grandson Oranmiyan later returned to Benin to rule the Empire around 1,100 AD.


You are the one who said Bini know their history and are well documented.

Because I show you the connect that bini believe is to be yoruba relation- you want to say now that its folklore, even though you said Bini history is well recorded.

So are you saying the bini historians are incorrect or something?

Do u really understand English at all?

Pls spare me the folklores(folktales/mythology)

and present a concrete evidence of the relationship between edos and yorubas.

Why squeeze in your folklore nicodemusly?

sbeezy8:
lol [size=20pt]Im not an oduduwa[/size] and I dont believe in Oduduwa, so I dont know where that came from.

makes no sense. Ife and Modakeke have crisis between themselves similar to ezzio and ezillo - similar to hausas from different quaters clashing in bauchi or kano. Even fulanis borroro and other non migrants fula clash between themselves.

hmmm

sbeezy8:
@tpia [size=20pt]I swear to God I'm a yoruba[/size]- why is it so hard to believe that you goat? An hausa can have kanuri and fulani uncles- not a big deal. But you think cause I'm yoruba I don't have relatives who aren't technically yoruba. Close minded goat. I'm not an exotic mix I'm a yoruba who happens to have grand parents from different countries you animal

I never knew I was debating with a flip-flopper who would rather take any position that advances his arguement

sbeezy8:
how is that bini,Isan,igarra afemai or yoruba peoples problem. Majority of them dont care who is related to them or similar- they know their OWN individual histories and are sticking to it. so why are igbo people like urself and the original [/b]poster making a big deal out of something that doesnt concern you?

Before you said [b]"Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media."

and Im telling you that Binis have said that Yorubas descended from them. so what is ur beef? what is folklore about bini history saying yoruba are similar to bini because yorubas descended from bini?

Ol boy
u can twist it for all u want.
I'm not talking about oduduwa-like folklores or ambiguous claims. I'm talking about recorded/concrete history

sbeezy8:
I didnt see Oduduwa in what I said or folk tales. I simply said Edos- Bini in particular have said that yorubas have descended from them, and yorubas have also said Edo Bini particular have descended from them.

Since it is a hearsay story and there is no concrete evidence of cultural and linguistic similarities between the two tribes. Then it is a folklore

sbeezy8:
lol Im not an oduduwa and I dont believe in Oduduwa, so I dont know where that came from.

Then why bombard me with folklores similar to oduduwa folklore?

sbeezy8:
I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now. an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

sbeezy8:
[size=14pt]“In some areas outside the East,  Ibos were killed by local people with at least the acquiescence of the federal forces,  1000 Ibo civilians perished in Benin in this way” (New York Review, 21 December 1967)
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very similar ,  indeed.

It's allowed.

When u can't put up a strong defence, descend to pettiness.
Well it does not serve my purpose to descend into gutter with you.
Enjoy your stay there.

When u comes out of your pettiness, present a concrete evidence that yorubas and edos shares cultural and linguistic ties.

I'm tired of oduduwa mythology

Edo people are proud people with rich tradition. Their history is one of the well-documented in Nigeria. In 16th century(more than 500yrs ago) a certain Oba of Bini was the 1st to learn and speak a major European(Portugese) language. That was when yorubas and my tribe Igbos are still in the bush. Their sophistication is unparalleled in ancient West African history. Therefore I can never subscribe to the notion that Edos don't know their history.

sbeezy8:
I dont know what you mean. It was the edos that said yorubas descended from them and the yorubas who said the edos descended from them.

Was is not the edos that claimed Oba of Lagos is bini origin. so how is that yoruba dominance.

and dont know if you can read or not but there is no culture in Nigeria surrounding the SW that has had Strong cultuural influence on yoruba. even if half the yorubas today are not yoruba in origin. who will tell them otherwise.

Igbomina werent yoruba before but they are now.  an Oyo person cannot understand igbomina or Ijebu.

Ol boy
Give me evidence of major cultural and linguistic similarities between Edos and Yorubas.

I got no time for oduduwa folklores

BlackPikiN:
The fact still remains that some areas in Edo are of Igbo origin. But it's no big deal if they all want to keep their relations with the SW which is understandable because there exist a historical cultural ties between the two ethnic groups.

The thread only shows that some Edo peeps except for PhysicsQeD and few others dont know most of their history.

Nobody knows and keeps history in Nigeria more than Edos. They are in complete grasp of their history. It's the yorubas that are trying to muddle things up by their sheer domination of information media.

Can you point to those major historical and cultural ties between Edos and Yorubas?

sbeezy8:
Poster makes no sense.

1) theres like 5-6 tribes in Edo Alone.
2)there is not a culture in Nigeria that is as Homogeneous as yoruba, just the way it is,

Through out history Yorubas have had some relations with Ijaw,Bini,Igala/Igarra,Nupe,Hausa,Urhobo,Fulani,Egun,Ewe,Bariba,Kanuri,Fon
but still have a strong cultural identity.

Yoruba culture has more substance than igbo, fact is igbo have been influenced by almost all the tribes that surround them, unlike the yoruba who have mixed, occasionally conquered, been conquered and intermarried but still haven't been heavily influenced by non yoruba groups Truth#.

thats common knowledge. Even look at Igbos today, there isnt a really a cultural dress, some dress like Ijaw, Some like efik, Some like Bini, Some lIke yorubas, Some even like Hausa way of dressing. down to the red hat, its origin is muslim.
Igbo are more likely to copying something anything from other tribes.

BS!

alj harem:
[size=18pt]An edo guy just posted that in page 9 [/size]or so and yet you are still asking the same question. SMH

anyway

echere m ka ayi me udo

The same way you are Anambra, Kanuri, Borno, Lagos etc guy?

he he he

From Musiwa1

musiwa,,.:
ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. I speak Igala.[/size]

From Musiwa2

musiwa,,.:
ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. . . .[/size]

alj harem:
Onitsha right then again it is natural

he he he

u want me to tell u?

keep on moving the goalpost

emmatok:
Abegi leave these Igbo people alone,

First they said Edos are less cultural link to Yoruba than Igbo now it is Iglala they are fighting for.

I bet If Ijebu land is located in the SS the will say Ijebus are not Yorubas.

You have not proved any thing.

Show me some major cultural and linguistic similarities between yoruba and edo.

Is it really fun to be silly?

alj harem:
igala
A Nigerian ethnic group located in the middle belt/north of Nigeria (Kogi State). They speak the "Igala" dialect which sounds alot like yoruba and have a very diverse culture and intonation depending on the part of Kogi state they're from.
I'm an Igala girl from Dekina (Dekina is a local government in Kogi state where they speak "Igala"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=igala

My problem with yorubas is that they can quote anything to support their jaundiced view.

They don't mind quoting obscure websites to support their view.

So you now view kogi as yoruba-only territory.

Do you know that there are some Igbo villages in Kogi?

alj harem:
is ur cousin anioma, if yes then it is natural, there are yoruboid groups in delta ibo land Ugbodo etc are all yoruba speaking ares in delta north

Boundary demarcation Alj_harem style

My cousin is a full-blooded Anambra man

"It is not surprising that within a short period of arrival in Igala land, a Yoruba is well acquainted with the language.”  He attributes the ease in learning the language to the closeness of the two languages.

alj harem:
from Igala website you just killed ACM10

Ol boy why are u making caricature of yourself.

Do u really enjoy the beat-down from me?

Who doesn't get acquainted with new language if he wants?

My old school pal learnt french within one month of his stay in Togo

Can we attribute his ease in learning the language to the closeness of the two languages[i](Igbo and French)[/i]?

Thanks for the comic-relief btw. You'll blossom if u opt for a career in comedy

alj harem:
LOL dude you are bitter and I don't have your time. Even if I prove and discuss, you are not willing to learn and open you mind for a non-biased discussion.

I understand Igala if you must know

I am out hehehehe

U got nothing to prove, boy

Take your lies elsewhere

From Musiwa1

musiwa,,.:
ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. I speak Igala.[/size]

From Musiwa2

musiwa,,.:
ACM10 , stop telling lies on the internet . i  understand Igala. [size=18pt]Igala is yoruboid. . . .[/size]

alj harem:
No I am not strentching, Do you even understand the concept that you are arguing about ?

Yes Ngwa and ezza are in Igboland but speak a totally different [size=18pt]dialect[/size] from someone in ala owerri which is also different from an Onitsha man or ekpeye man

do you understand when an Ika man speaks ? don't lie to yourself

that is what we are talking about here. Although they sound similar but not exactly the same, that is why they add "oid" to the end of the language

The bolded has answered your question.

I hope you can distinguish between language and dialect?

There is nothing like yoruboid.

Yoruba is a different language from Igala.

They don't share any linguistic similarity and Igala is not a yoruba dialect

emmatok:
LOL,

What tribe are you talking about Itsekiri, EDO or Igala.

Go read you history well.

That's a lazy way to debate.

Point at those cultural, linguistic similarities.

I said some, and Itsekiri is not included in my list

Can we start with Igala and Edo then progress to others?