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I thought that the money in the treasury belongs to all Nigerians?

With whose consent did he disburse the money in his trust?

This is one of the reasons why I gets tired of this country.

He's using Nigeria's money to fortify his cred as the future emir of Kano.

What if Soludo commits similar act. How will it be received by Nigerians?

peckhamboi:
An ibo man sabotaging SNC

What's your intention here?

An ethnic fight or substantive debate?

I guess u should know that he doesn't speak for us.

Most of those candidates are imposed on us from the outside(esp. PDP's).

Nigeria's policy on Igbos since the end of the civil war is to impose a pro-Nigerian politicians on us.

Thought u can easily figure that out

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-870162.0.html

Who is the originator of this photo?

Dayokanu!

Mods,

why did u delete my comment on Dayokanu?

he he he

what about PTF booty?

Buhari has only himself and his followers to deceive.

We are too sophisticated to fall for this trick

Okija_juju = Kilode = Okada_man

Why do you hate the clamour for self-determination by a group of people?

Should you continue to hold down your partner in an unhappy marriage?

Besides, the owner of the site is not complaining.

So, who are you faceless goon to exclude the participation of Biafrans here?

Learn to live with it. I'm sorry if it gets u hard on.

PS: I don't take u serious since you contributes nothing to the popularity and growth of this site. I'll wait on Seun to make similar declaration

seanet02:
Negro don't be deterred by the agent of yiboos. Use a dynamic ip changer. Hot spot shield [size=18pt]cost just $6 to $8[/size] and you will get 20 ips.

Oh yeah

He must pay to be a tribal bigot

Negro_Ntns:
Yes, a Yoruba History container, that's right!  How many of these 250 ethnic groups has the depth and broadness of histroy as Yoruba, particularly for a race of people that fought over 30 different wars and created world renowned empires - Ife, Oyo and Bini?  [size=25pt]You see this is one of the damages and disadvantages of cohabiting in Nigeria with inferior sub cultures crowned overnight and made a majority by British[/size].  We have always to ret/ard our own progress because the others are not caught on yet,  . . they are still in the dark, and untill they see the light, we have to remain in the dark with them.  I want my own country!    

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-490918.2816.html


I'm not surprised by the above comment.

This is what you get after being fed with katsumoto's feel-good, ethnocentric, supremacist myths

Negro_Ntns:
Yes, a Yoruba History container, that's right!  How many of these 250 ethnic groups has the depth and broadness of histroy as Yoruba, particularly for a race of people that fought over 30 different wars and created world renowned empires - Ife, Oyo and Bini?  You see this is one of the damages and disadvantages of cohabiting in Nigeria with inferior sub cultures[size=25pt] crowned overnight and made a majority by British.[/size]  We have always to ret/ard our own progress because the others are not caught on yet,  . . they are still in the dark, and untill they see the light, we have to remain in the dark with them.  I want my own country!    

yorubas should be grateful to the british for uniting them.

fulanis would have overran all of the yoruba territories had it not been for british intervention

I see no reason why mods would allow/ignore an ethnocentric comment like the above here.

jmaine:
Now that is one horrible line i just read . . what a brazen and degrading tribalistic statement

What do you expect from an ethnic supremacist?

shymmex:
@Katsumoto

Can you please give talk about the Ioeru war

I'm interested in knowing the history of my people from the maternal side,

he he he

Katsumoto the storyteller

9jacrip:
[b]Mr. Katsumoto - you're someone whose post I usually read w/out questioning and just get to wonder if you studied history? From what you wrote as a response to my post, it appears you only have an INTEREST in history or just follow it, yes?

Like you said, historians get their details from relics and written materials from the era they're studying, yes and that is where Samuel Johnson's work falls in because he was ATTACHED to the periodization - I don't know how to explain it but true historians don't take account of their immediate era. You cited Aristotle, but I would cite Herodotus instead who is usually regarded as the 'father of history' by some, but some give that to someone else (can't recall the name) because Herodotus' accounts were taken down during his period, hence seen to be Chronicles rather than historical facts due to 'sentiments' attached which is only human. If you're asked to write about President Jonathan's tenure there would be sentiments either opposing or supporting, yes? But if you conduct interviews many years later and give two sides of the theme then it would become credible and open to further criticism which is only historical since no historical records are ever final - I hope I've made sense?

The Akinjogbin and co you cited were those who made Yoruba history credible because they did a thorough critique of Samuel Johnson's work or it served as a guiding point, and you didn't mention Toyin Falola, the foremost Yoruba historian? Kenneth Dike et al? The people you mentioned emerged as a result of an opposition to Eurocentric history documentation of Yoruba history which the Europeans had sway over - a typical example of Samuel Johnson's work.

Samuel Johnson's work cannot be disputed as the starting point for Yoruba history documentation but it is based on Oyo view point and [size=25pt]excessive mythology and legends rather than a deep analysis and critique[/size] - and in response to your Oyo being the most important Yoruba town at a time - Oyo came and went, there was Benin Kingdom too, it came and went - the history written by one of Benin Kings was so Benin-centric that almost all historian debunked it, I cant remember the king's name right now - Christina Amapour's work would be a Chronicle or Journalism - history is far different to/from Journalism, never make a mistake of comparing either, please.

What I'm saying is, Samuel Johnson's work should be cited mostly when pointing at/to an oral account -


Thank you.[/b]

What else can I say?

Katsumoto:
History and politics go together. If you put great threads in the culture or foreign affairs sections, they die early.

Threads such as this should remain in the politics section.

Of what use is a great product if it doesn't reach a high percentage of your target market?

Only a revisionist will say that history and politics go together.

This has confirmed my suspicion about you that you have a malicious intention.

History should be objective and devoid of political bias.

So continue to miseducate your tribesmen with your myths

Katsumoto:
The question is where do historians get their information from? They get it from old relics and written materials from the era they are studying. Samuel Johnson himself included information from eras that preceded him through other accounts. The information that Johnson got from being present is far more valuable than information that would have been told as legends, stories, etc. Johnson's account is 1. formidable because 2. HE WROTE it down. You may not know this but 3. Johnson's original manuscript was lost by the publisher.
4. It was his brother Obadiah (a doctor) who wrote the book from Johnson's ORIGINAL notes.

5. The point of reading a book is not accept it wholeheartedly but to analyse the facts and superimpose your own thought process. It was Aristotle who said 'It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it'.  A true scholar will not read Johnson's account alone but others. Many books have been written by other scholars such Akinjogbin, Awe, Akintoye, Smith, Ade-Ajayi, Jeremy Eades. But guess what, many of these other historians quote Johnson because of the level of detail in his notes.

If Christiane Amanpour wrote a book about the Balkan wars, would you disregard it because she was present? Would you instead prefer a book that was written by a man/woman who visited the Balkans 50 years after the war and received information from people who were 7 years old during the war?


6. @ interested readers
Please ignore those who have nothing intelligent to contribute other than self ridicule.

@bolded 1. We are used to your intimidating words like sophisticated, fearsome, and now, formidable

@bolded 2. Really?!

@bolded 3. Mr. mythologist, must u continue to give flimsy excuses to support your myths?

@bolded 4. and he threw away the note after copying it, knowing its historical importance which necessitated its duplication.

@bolded 5. That's exactly what we are doing. If we believe all your copy and paste, then we will believe anything.

@6. so said by the most intelligent, all-knowing god of NL

Only-Rebel:
Wow! How great you guys are. How great is my Nation (Yoruba Nation). We shall be great again. Jagun Jagun Nbo, O nbo, o nbo, o nbo, Jagun Jagun Nbo. Olori Ogun ko gbodo Keyin ogun, Jagun Jagun Nbo.

I know that the aim of this thread is to show us that Yorubas were once great. But we are laughing at their scheme from the stand, because every Yoruba history is in conflict with the reality. If Yorubas can commit a scorched earth campaign against their own people, how come did they allow fulanis to run amok in their backyard without bloodying their nose? Greeks ran amok in northern Italy 50yrs before the rise of the roman empire. But Romans bloodied their nose so bad that the battle made it to the english diction today as the "Pyrrhic war". But Yorubas case is to concoct a myth, then hatch it into reality without evidence or necessary criticism. Then force others to believe their myth.

alj harem:
Point where i lied

and how am I a bigot ? and the thread opener is not a bigot

I spoke the truth nothing but the truth and I DARE ANYONE OF YOU TO DEBUNK ANYTHING I SAID THAT WAS A LIE.

alj harem:
gbamm are you minding this them

I don't know what they expected them to think

After they invaded Mid-west, masscred them and tried to make Igbo the language of the mid-west then they were enroute to the west

Prove the bolded beyond doubt.

Don't quote any 4-kin yoruba site for me

alj harem:
gbamm are you minding this them

I don't know what they expected them to think

After they invaded Mid-west, masscred them and tried to make Igbo the language of the mid-west then they were enroute to the west

Normal people know they were trying to do the same, Only an ideeiot would think otherwise that is what they are doing.

Personally I don't dislike Igbos infact I have been saved once by an Igbo man

Also I have experienced 1st hand tribalism by Igbos in lagos on me. Still I keep my sanity thinking that is just a few out of millions

But NL confirmed it that they are actually on Yoruba case

If yorubas keep tribalism on NL

they would take it to the next level by going on every blog and newspaper and saying rubbish about yoruba

smh

why must u lie?

does it make u doze off at night?

Not only do u lie, but u overstretch it to maximize its potency.

Well, we don't care what u think or writes about us

stillme:
I love Igbo. It pains me when i see Igbo and yoruba fighting each other over nothing. Honestly i dnt expect yorubas to be watching while Igbos were trying to invade Lagos. As a matter fact, yoruba needed to protect their land which they did. Believe me,Igbos would have done the same if they were in yorubas' shoes. Yorubas' action is justified. Igbo should stop hating on yoruba and try to embrace their mistakes.

Just another hack poster

[size=18pt]Evidence of Ancient closeness of Yorubas to edos[/size]

Linguistic evidence: Nil

Cultural evidence: Nil

Archaeological evidence: Nil

Only one evidence: oduduwa mythology/fairy-tale

Yorubas, una too much joor

Sam_Ikenna:
Negro my brother, if you pause a bit and look at how all these bigoted threads pop up you will agree with me that some people deliberately like to keep Yoruba and Igbo on verbal/online war path. In a million years I would never understand why some folks enjoy on and off insults/bigotry. This same OP that turned around now to tell us how Ojukwu was right in some ways is the same person that has been saying all sorts of unprintable things in the past against Ojukwu/Igbos. I'm wondering why he, in God's name, cant think all of his thoughts without poking the little friendship and love between our peoples. On the surface one might say what he wrote wasn't that bad but considering the back and forth bickering that's been going on here I believe he should have known better.

I would like to know what people derive from stirring hate and bigotry, I really would like to know because it seems we all like to complain and refer to some white folks as hate-filled and bigots but on the flipside we dine and drink it. The reason I say this is not because I'm better than anyone else but because we have bigger fishes to fry in this nation and the more we keep stoking all this mess the more younger ones imbibe it. Its got to stop or at least slow down, yea we might say its just internet its no biggie, well hello! how are you sure there is no sicko on the edge reading and thinking that this internet hate is for real? What if your relative happens to come across this same internet-hate-insane man who may see your relative as the perfect opportunity to show his mettle?

I know I'm probably talking to deaf ears or minds that are already made up, however, I would like to say this to all the people in NL who are the generators of hate and bigotry against any ethnic group - Nigeria as we know it is not stable, its boiling. We don't know where its going or who is even steering the wheel. The least we all can do now is to keep our cool, keep our grounds, and try to reach across to our neighbours so as to avoid actions that would send wrong signals to them in the event of our inevitable rock-bottom as a nation. The more we keep this hate on the front page the more we give it life and thats dangerous given the possible inevitability of a shooting war that gets more real by the day. As people from the southern part of this nation we can either keep this very danger alive and give it more life by bringing forth more and more stories of how much we detest eachother or we can choose to reduce the possibility of armed confrontation by dialling things down a bit. The choice you make is yours and in making the right choice you might be saving yourself and your family too.



Back to you Negro, you said "I know you like to stay in middle and address your reconciliatory messages to both.  I believe you need to direct it pointedly to your people."  

Let me address your post above by saying I'm not sure I like to stay in the middle, I would say I like to get involved in a much more civil and mature way. I'm Igbo, a very real one at that so if any hostilities break out today I would quickly moving in to make sure my people don't get massacred or defeated and I'm sure that's what you would do if you were in my shoes.

However, what I would not do is to go about insulting or hating on your own people because I love mine. If I truly love my people I would try my best not to bring carnage to them, I would make friends for them, negotiate for them, take insults because of them, take beatings from you or anyother person because of them. So, I'm not in the middle, I'm with my people and there is no shame in that just as you are with yours and you're loving it. I believe since you love yours, hopefully you respect mine, and I love mine (you know I respect yours) we can help in separating them a little. We can do this by calling out any NLder from our respective groups that enjoys ethnic bashing. Its not going to be the silver bullet but it sure will make a little difference. For a start you can start by writing Igbo in capital [I], need I tell you that I always write Yoruba in capital [Y]? I do so because respect, they say, is reciprocal.

My brother !

Relax,

Yorubas has supremacist ideology.

Therefore it's very difficult to have a rational discussion with them.

Neither can u reach a compromise with them.

ak47mann:
Una just dey wake up  good morning if you like answer if you like no answer,the music is on we are dancing it those that thought ojukwu was bad are now changing their views on ojukwu after 40 years after biafran war.

Because Niger-Deltans are gave them a warning shot that their(Yorubas) days of stealing their(NDs) oil is swiftly coming to an end.

Katsumoto:
Sauron

U are overblowing the strenght in that war. I will respond later. If ibadan weren't fighting several states on three fronts, they would av finished ekiti in no time. Ekiti suffered several defeats before turning to the ijeshas. It was the losses sufferred by the ijesha which prompted ogedengbe an ijesha man to agree to lead the ekitiparapo army. Ogedengbe had pledged not to ever fight against his former masters.

After the war started against the ekiti, it took ajayi ogboriefon all of two days to defeat the ekitiparapo and ilorin at ikirun. The death of ajayi, not in battle, would offer the ekiti a chance to keep fighting.

Mythologist

~Sauron~:
The Fulanis were strong. . . .
They could have conquered Britain if they wanted to.

I wouldn't berate Oyo warriors for being conquered by the Fulanis!
It was their lameness in the Kiriji war that told me Oyo warriors were just loud-mouthed.

Agreed!

Afterall they've already conquered the most sophisticated army in Africa.

Kilode?!:
ACM, Bros. don't mind all these Yoruba boasters, they make mouth over ordinary inter-tribal wrestling.

Please tell them about Umuleri Aguleri Fulani war, I heard people were beheading their enemies with Toyota crankshaft, it is true?  

Katsumoto:
Sauron


Oyo people are not cowards. They had the most fearsome warriors in the history of yoruba warfare.

Fearsome my foot!

They, in combination with other Yoruba warriors with all their sophisticated weapon[i](if one exists)[/i] were conquered by the fulanis.

You can't spin defeat to victory

hercules07:
@ACM

I hope you are aware that the bulk of the Fulani army was made up of Yoruba Generals who agreed to serve under those guys, please read up more on history before you open ur mouth.

It doesn't matter,

what matters is that Yorubas were soundly beaten and conquered by the fulanis.

Simple and short

Katsumoto:
The sword is for hand to hand combat. [size=15pt]Sometimes, you run out of bullets and your enemy is close by. [/size]

1. The History of the Yorubas by Samuel Johnson (an Oyo man) so it is a bit Oyocentric but overall an excellent book.
2. Professor Akinjogbin - "Wars in Yorubaland, 1793 - 1893: An analytical categorisation
3. S.A. Akintoye's "Revolution and Power Politics.
4. J.F. Ade Ajayi and R. Smith: Yoruba Warfare

Master spin doctor

Show us the evidence of the bolded.

I mean archaeological evidence.

Why overstretch an ordinary Yoruba inter-tribal fight out of proportion?

Katsumoto:
Why are you so scared

You are with Onlytruth on this? A comment from someone (onlytruth)[size=15pt] whose people settled communal disputes through wrestling contests when Oyo and Ibadan had some of the most advanced Infantry and Cavalry units in Africa[/size]. The first set of rifles purchased by Igbo people were the 12 rifles Ojukwu boasted about just before the start of the civil war. 

Your comments about sword swinging is ignorant at best. Yoruba had been using guns in warfare since the 17th century.

Quit trolling.

he he he

I've previously told you that you are a revisionist.

The most advanced infantry that can't face fulanis with bows and arrows, donkeys and camels.

fulanis made a mincemeat of the most advanced infantry in Africa and took a large swath of your territory.

Yorubas are very funny people

Tony Spike:
Thank you all for the few insights on the Kiriji wars. Personally, I started this thread for us to have a better peep into the Yoruba Kiriji wars. I would, however, like to ask a few fuzzy questions:

1. Is there a way we can get pictures of the military hard wares used to prosecute these war campaigns?

2. What the level of sophistication of the confederacy military intelligence. For example, I understand that number of spy networks were set up during this war.

3. What is the conservative number of human lives lost to this ancient war?

4. What is the conservative numbers of towns that simply "vanished" by pillaging and massive destruction.

5. Any info about the war strategies adopted by each of the confederate sides?

6. Any info on landmark battles and their locations during this period.

7. What did a typical army formation look like in those days?

I have personally done some little research on my own from the works of Elizabeth Isichei and one other Yoruba history Professor (I no longer remember his name) some few years back. I particularly appreciate the knowledge of Negro-Ntns and katsumoto and their contrtibutions to Yoruba history on this forum.

For those of who are interested to learn more about the Generalissimo of the Kiriji wars, we can visit this website:

http://ogedengbe.com/9702/index.html


I am also including 2 pictures of the Great Ogendengbe and then, his associates of the Ekiti-parapo army

Are u serious?!

They look more or less like Yoruba dance troupe.

BTW, how come is the photo in colour?

Katsumoto:


What? cat cut your 'hand'? You are usually feisty and troublesome. You are giving up so easily??

There is nothing to debate on since you've made up your mind