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virtuoso01: I read somewhere not quite long ago that mosquitoes are attracted to people with AA Genotype much more than other Genotypes.


You can find out more about that.

Katsumoto: It has been several hours and non of the proponents of 'Awo started ethnic politics' has been able to provide facts to support that notion.

They used to talk about the 1951 regional elections and since actual results of the elections have been provided, they have learned not to bring it up. Well at least one of the proponents, ACM10, reaches the library in his grandmother's village riding a tortoise.

On this thread, they have repeated the same lies and when challenged, they (OnlyTruth, Abagworo) have been silent. Yet they will claim to be honorable men.

The questions remain
1. How did a regional ethnic party increase its representation in other regions significantly?
2. How did a regional party manage to win more seats outside its base than in its base?

ekt_bear: It seems that the onus is on you to respond to the posts I made nearly three weeks ago, which you have yet to address.

Once you do so, then I'd be happy to respond again.

Katsumoto: ACM10

Why do you persist in debating topics that are above your pay grade?

During the war, Biafran currency had value. At the end of the war, it no longer had any value.

Currency is not an asset; it is just paper. It is only has valuable as the goods and services for which it can be exchanged within an area as a medium of exchange. Would a meat seller in Kano accept your Biafran pounds? Can you pay for a haircut in New York with Naira? No to both questions. However, if a currency has cross-border strength, it could be used.

The market determines the worth of a currency but it is influenced by central bankers through monetary policy. How investors and users respond to policy is what determines the value. You can also peg a currency but that equally has implications because pegging requires central bankers to use reserves to maintain the peg.

Biafrans wanting to have their own currency after the war is impractical for the same reasons as a man with 30 children, 80 grand-children, and 150 great grandchildren. You can exchange your currency within your family but at some point you have to exchange your goods and services for those being exchanged outside your family and you can't force them to accept your currency.

ekt_bear: So, your best bet is to carefully read the two posts made. Like I said earlier, take as much time as you need to digest the point. Then once you finish, come up with a suitable response, quoting as needed.

ekt_bear: Sure, just examine the last two posts I made to you before you vanished. Take as much time as you need.

ekt_bear: What you have tolerance for is irrelevant, in my eyes.

Simply address the points raised. Put up, or shut up.

Andre Uweh: Boy, this your post is totally irrelevant to the thread. In this thread, you can tackle him on what he has argued upon. Why bring up silly issues from another thread.
Have you started following a nairalander here sheepishly?.

ekt_bear: Is this the same ACM10 who failed utterly in the previous thread? The guy who ran away from it after being beaten mercilessly?

ACM10: Shouldn't you feel ashamed to be opening your mouth again?

wtf is this

Katsumoto: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

ACM is being flogged at history and now wants to turn to Economics.

I am not even going to waste my time trying to teach cos I know irs a waste of my time.

First go back to your high school teachers and ask why a party in opposition can't implement policy.

You were very busy.

Deep Sight: Hi Katzumotz.

I would only remind you that many of the points you raise regarding Zik can equally be said of Awo.

Please try to be unbiased: I enjoy reading you cos u are usually very objective.


Don't try to paint one a saint, and the other a demon.

Be fair to both. When you see circumstances that qualify the actions of one, please also see circumstances that qualify the actions of the other.

It would be stretching things to typify Zik as some greedy monster only intent on power, and claim that Awo was not similarly obsessed.

Cheers.

Katsumoto: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



'The total value of each series printed, based on the numbers extrapolated above, was £50 million for the first issue and £148.5 million for the second issue, making a total of £198.5 million. Many of these notes were not delivered to Biafra, but it is not known how many were successfully conveyed to their destination and how many remained in storage at their point of production. However, at the end of the conflict it was estimated that between £115 and £140 million in Biafran currency was in circulation, indicating that a large proportion of the currency was delivered into circulation. While this amount may seem large, it must be remembered that Biafra had a population of 14 million, and the amount in circulation would equate to £10 per person at the most optimistic estimate.'

http://www.pjsymes.com.au/articles/biafra.htm

When I educated you on the other thread, you ran away claiming you were coming back. You didn't come back, yet you surfaced on this thread asking for the same data again. Are you so think in the head?


If there was an exchange mechanism for the exchange of Biafran notes for the Nigerian notes, what were you expecting the Nigerian government to do with the Biafran notes once the exchange was completed?

It has estimated that between there was between 115 and 140 million pounds in Biafran currency at the end of the war and there were approximately 14 million Biafrans giving a value of 10 pounds per Biafran. Yet, each depositor was given 20 pounds. Assuming that kids did not have accounts, there would have been approximately 7/8 million depositors leading to a total sum of 140/160 million spent by Awo.

The Nigerian government also allowed old Nigerian notes and Biafran notes to be exchange for Nigerian currency until the end of 1968 and each individual depositor was given a maximum of 30 pounds and 500 pounds for organizations.

Lastly, when questioned about acceptability and exchange rates, Pius Okigbo stated publicly that both factors were irrelevant since Biafran notes were meant to be spent within Biafra. If the Biafran economic adviser stated publicly that they were unconcerned about exchange rate and international acceptance, then why moan about receiving an amount and not being able to exchange their notes for Nigerian notes?

ACM10: Beyond your careless assertion, can you
show me an evidence with any economic
indices that 20 pounds was higher than
the total value of Biafran currency.
Sentiment aside! I expect you to furnish
me with raw economic indices. I get
bored by long grammar.

Katsumoto: 1. When Akintola was ousted by the AG, Adegbenro was elected by AG and not Awo. Try and do some reading.

2. Yes, the world knows Igbos to be very altruistic. But then again, what can one expect from a man who expects an opposition party to formulate and implement policy.

3. I did not state that Zik had to lose a relative to prove his selflessness; my point is that since he didn't lose a relative, it was easy for him to forge ahead with one Nigeria.

Its unfortunate that there is no pill to help develop a logical mind.

ACM10: Beyond your careless assertion, can you
show me an evidence with any economic
indices that 20 pounds was higher than
the total value of Biafran currency.
Sentiment aside! I expect you to furnish
me with raw economic indices. I get
bored by long grammar.

Andro Blaze: @ Katz

I wonder why you bother with these lazy literates- its criminal that anyone should school people this much and not get paid!!!

@ACM10

Why don't you go and ask your secondary school government teacher why a minority party cannot force its policy on the majority party- as they say in Pidigin "your head de touch".

Katsumoto: Hahahaha

I will continue to school you.

Zik made an address to the Ibo union in 1949 which was basically an ethnocentric speech. Two years later, he would try to be premier of the Western region and fail. Do you think he would have attempted to win the election in the West with the Ibo union? Of course not. He needed a Yoruba formed party for that.

Katsumoto: It is a fact that Awo was jailed for treason, without evidence and on the testimony alone of Maja. I can equally go forward and tell the whole world that you are planning on topping GEJ's government. Should that be enough to jail you? In any civilized society, Awo wouldn't not have gone to prison.

Again you are a donkey for trying to blame the civil war on Awo rather than your murdering brothers and Ojukwu who went to war because he was afraid of being removed by Gowon.

What Nationalist? Zik simply had his eyes on other regions. Since Zik did not lose any relatives in the 40s or 50s to ethnic violence, he found it convenient to forget the differences with other groups and that was why he was told by Bello that differences can't be ignored.

Awo was a war time finance minister. Nigeria fought a civil war without borrowing money. How many nations do you know who fought wars without excessive debt?

The overall value of the 20 pound policy was higher than the total value of Biafran currency at the end of the war. So, yes, he sound economic policies.

Katsumoto: Do you see why you are a slowpoke. Tell us what made the AG aregional party, you are referring us to statements that were made when there exists facts that kill that notion.



So you were expecting the party in opposition to implement policy in the East and North!!!! You really are a donkey.

Katsumoto: The fact remains that Egbe Omo Oduduwa became a political party which had a number of non-Yoruba amongst its ranks. All political start has ideas and then morph into something else. Abraham Lincoln was the Republican party elected president who fought to end slavery. The Christian Social Union of Bavaria is a Bavarian party that is the current coalition ruling Germany.

The question is ,'how did Awo start ethnic politics?'

Bear in mind the following

1. Egbe Omo oduduwa was formed years after the Ibo state union was formed with Zik as president.
2. The Nigerian youth movement of which Awo and Zik were members was dissolved as a result of the fallout of an election in 1941 between Samuel Akinsanya (supported by Zik) and Ernest Ikoli supported by Awo. Ikoli won said election and Zik's accusation at the time? That it was an Eko conspiracy against Ijebus! never mind that Awo was Ijebu.

You lot keep repeating these lies against the person of Obafemi Awolowo. They said he started ethnic politics with cross-carpeting, produce the results which says so, you can't. ACM10 is still on his way to his grandmother's library in her village riding a tortoise. Maybe he will produce the results by 2062.

Andro Blaze: I really don't get why our Eastern brothers on NL fail in Logic every single time!!! I mean if all the books tell me the sun is blue and every morning it comes out yellow- would I insist on being as stupid as the books?? Can I not think for myself?

A tribal party that increases it share in other regions and has a majority of it seats in other regions; while the nationalist party decreases its share in other regions and has its majority seat from one region; Igbo, Lies and Propaganda- the conjoined Triplets!!

Katsumoto: When people use emotions to debate, they are bound to ignore logic in their positions. I challenged Abagworo and OnlyTruth to provide facts that support Awo introducing ethnic policies but they are hiding in the shadows. When you challenge their silly lies with facts, you are labelled a revisionist or tribalist.

They should at least try and refute your 'facts' with their own 'facts' but no, it is their opinion that we have to accept.

Katsumoto: STFU

If the AG was implementing regional/ethnic policies, it would not have increased its vote from 1 (1954) in the North to 25 (1959) and from 7 (1954) to 14 (1959) in the East.

It is you that has a warped logic. Look at the results and stop yarning dust as usual.

Can you tell us what these nationalist policies Zik proposed. The argument about Zik being a nationalist had nothing to do with policy but personal ambition. Agreed he wanted Nigeria at all cost but why was that? What was so attractive about Nigeria that Zik was willing to forget differences between cultures and the loss of Igbo lives in the 40s and 50s?

T9ksy: David mark hasn't said anything that one doesn't already know and thus vindicates no one lest of all, the ibos.

It's common knowledge that neither awo nor the sardunna was for one nigeria except zik and his ibo people.

And no one was left in any doubt as to why the ibos wanted one nigeria- certainly not for the love they harbour for their fellow potential countrymen but GREED![/color]

Katsumoto: Some of you don't try to learn and verify facts for your yourselves; you just accept whatever you are told.

In the 1959 elections to decide the first government, AG won 35 seats in the West, 5 in the mid-west, 25 in the North, 14 in the East, and 1 in Lagos.

NCNC won 58 in the East, 21 in the West, 2 in Lagos, and only 2 in the North.

If AG was a regional party, how come it won more seats outside its base in the West? Yet NPC won most of its seats in the North and NCNC won most of its seats in the East.

If we look at the origins of the NCNC, one will realize that it was a National party started by Lagos Yoruba but was turned into an Igbo party by Zik (just look at the results). The seats won in the West are as a result of the groundwork of the original members of the NCNC. The 'national' party had no showing in the North.

NCNC founding executive: Herbert macaulay - President, Azikiwe - General Secretary, Oyeshile Omage - Financial Secretary, Dr Olorun-Nimbe - Treasurer, Onojobi and Ogedengbe - Auditors, Akerele and Odunsi - Legal advicers