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Dede1:
It is either you have refused to grow up or blocked your dumb arse to get educated while still enjoying the benefits of this forum. What section of military code of conduct according your figment of imagination that “stipulated death penalty to act of mutiny/treason which coup falls into”? 

Let me inform you that the constitutional stipulations of any country trump any existing laws in a particular country be it either military codes or statutory codes. 

It is very shameful that ethnic bigotry has clouded your dilapidated thinking faculty and you are willing to blunder by telling unfounded falsehood. Nigeria must disintegrate to usher new sense of direction to the people and remove clowns among us.

I don't even know what pisses me off the most when Bluetooth writes anything here, is it the lies and misinformation or the inability to accept mistakes and blunders when exposed or his inability to do basic research before putting down what he thinks are facts based on his ethnic bigotry as facts?

I would have stated he suffers from intellectual stubbornness but in this case there is nothing intellectual in his many unreasonable and out-of-this-world lies that have no basis whatsoever.

When his type claims Ironsi did not execute the coup plotters as standard practice and you tell them that no section of the constitution covers that he jumps to a non existent military justice just because he heard military tribunals were used in the recent past to try coup plotters.

As earlier stated, it is not the duty of the members of this forum to correct all the lies being told. It makes more sense for people to search for facts or truth and leave their ethnic based hatred in the bathroom before typing anything on nairaland.

If educated people could disregard facts then you can imagine what uneducated people could do and indeed what they did in the past based on the same falsehood and blatant lies.

Donpuzo:
Been up to a lot lately and this work fall among them, although trying to move to Java programing full time.

I no even know if my skills dey improve or i don dey decline.

Abeg rate this work and possible changes and upgrades.

www.webdevelopmenttechnologies.marknollis.com

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xtayle:
Hi everyone,

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-full user registarion page and corresponding storage of every data submitted.

-every visitor wanting to start a discussion forum or topic and those who want to respond to existing ones must sign up fully as a user.

-login and registration information must be stored accordingly for use from time to time.

-the use of auto responder will be necessary to manage communications of email verification and to disseminate information on events and other news as well as to encourage donours regularly.

-e-payment page to include gateway permitting donours with interswitch (ATM), master card, visa card, american express, paypal to make donations easily and securely.

-comprehensive discussion board with possibility for multiple discussion thread just like nairaland.com.

-personal management and update possibility.

Please people, I really need help on this.

Thanks.

If you have at least N300,000.00 budget for this let me know and I will send a quote.

Speechless! This man has got courage and is sure very bold.

wariowei:
There are two sides to a coin. The story of the Nigerian civil war has being told in many conflicting scripts but this generation must stop dwelling on the past and think of the future. The Eastern region which the Biafrans claimed they owned is not carried by all and sundry. The Ijaws and the Ibibios and the rest of the ethnic majors in the Niger Delta all have the voice for self determination. I do not see the actions of Gowon in bringing back the dividing Nigeria as being wrong, I do not see the inclusion of the Niger Delta in Biafra map as being right. But we must live and lets live.

You should have told your elected representatives not to join Biafra because Ojukwu did not form Biafra as the name Biafra was even suggested by an Ijaw man I believe and the House of Assembly in the Eastern region will representatives from all parts of the region took the decision to declare Biafra.

I can understand the deliberate twisting of facts by people that are far from the then Eastern region but coming from someone talking about "we must live and lets live" as if anyone has attempted to stop you from living is sad.

I have said it over and over again, Biafra existed between 1967 and 1970 and after the war the Igbos have longed moved on.

The major issues here that a lot of people fail to understand are lies and misinformation being peddled by people about the Igbos.

Who is afraid of the truth and why?

No ethnic group is faultless and while acknowledging our mistakes in the past any attempt at spreading lies as facts must be challenged regardless of the person or group spreading the lies.

ZE:
Point of correction Afam, Biafra is not a project that has ended since 1970. It is not yet over.

Won't be going into an unnecessary argument here on Biafra. My views are based on facts. Biafra was a name given to the old Eastern region comprising of the whole SE and some of the SS today.

By 1970 the war was over and an instrument of surrender was delivered.

These are my basis for my position based on facts.

The lies being told by some people here are what concerns me, not whether Biafra exists or not.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=397601.msg5517342#msg5517342 date=1266244652]The coup took
the lives of Nigeria ’s first civilian president,
Sir Abubakar Tafawa Balewa, former
premier of Northern region and Saudauna
of Sokoto, Alhaji Ahmadu Bello, and former
premier of Western region, Chief Ladoke
Akintola and the military officers
shot on the night of January 14, 1966 were
Brigadier Ademulegun, Colonels Ralphs
Shodeinde, Pam, Abogo Largema, Chris
Unegbe and Zakari Maimalari.i didnt say ironsi led the coup.what i said was that since he was the beneficiary of the coup and his failure to execute the coupist despite agitation from the northerners pointed his his complicity to the coup.[/quote]I have zero tolerance for liars and I will not bother reproducing the lie you are denying now. Just get lost shameless liar. You disgust me. Your lies are clear for all to see and you shamelessly deny them? Did you edit your post? If yes, were you able to edit mine because I reproduced those lies as your quotes?

Your credibility is zero, I am done with you. Only desperate people lie the way you do.

I have nothing against you as a person but for denying your lies so openly I must confess that you represent the scum of the earth.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=397601.msg5517040#msg5517040 date=1266241924]@afam----do you know about this?**** “Orizu made a nationwide broadcast,
reading a military prepared speech,
announcing the cabinet ’s ‘voluntary’
decision to transfer power to the armed
forces. Ironsi then made his own broadcast,
accepting the ‘invitation.’ “On January 17, Ironsi established the
Supreme Military Council in Lagos and
announced Decree No. 1, effectively
suspending the Constitution. Later that day,
Major Chukwuma Nzeogwu, the leader of
the revolt in the northern region negotiated
a conditional surrender in which Ironsi
agreed not to bring the mutineers to
military trial. Although the mutiny was
practically over, military rule had arrived.
Nigeria ‘s first democratic experiment was
effectively over. This would set up the
Biafran War.[/quote]The reality is that the more you prolong your acknowledgment of your mistakes the more your credibility suffers.

What Ironsi did after the war was never an issue I chose to comment on.

I got involved on this thread based on the 2 clear lies you told.

1. That Ironsi led the first coup.

2. That Ironsi killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas.

Until you address these lies properly I can assure you that you are wasting your time asking me any questions. I don't discuss with liars and I detest them, simple.

Even Ndu_Chucks who claimed Nzeogwu was an Easterner and tried to defend such open lie admitted he was very wrong and has since moved on and you are here browsing and pasting irrelevant content rather than address the 2 clear lies you told.

@topic,

Those who claim the Igbos are complaining about the war seem not to get the crux of the matter.

As for me Biafra ended as a project in 1970 when the war ended and I believe the Igbos have moved on with their lives.

What I cannot stand (and I believe a lot of Igbos on this thread) is the deliberate misinformation and lies being told by some of us about what happened. Such lies must not stand even if passed from generation to generation by those desperate to hide the truth even from their own children.

Unless of course some of us are saying that lies are part of our lives I don't see how the need to correct lies has translated into Igbos complaining about the war.

biina:
The criticism was of his dethroning the civilian regime, and subsequent failure to execute the coup plotters.
If Ironsi had not seized power, and had he executed the failed coup plotters (like he should have under military justice), the civil war, and the antecedent pogrom, would likely have been adverted.
Subsequent governments have shown that you dont need more than a few days to execute coup plotters. Six months was too much time.

The content in bold refers, how did you come about the execution of coup plotters as military justice?

Information like this continues to be presented without paying attention to details.

The coup was the first coup in Nigeria under a civilian government. Under a civilian government who would execute the coup plotters? The civilian government?

We should have respects for facts and try to understand what happened rather than making blanket and sometimes very wrong statements.

[quote author=~Bluetooth link=topic=397601.msg5514964#msg5514964 date=1266223498]thisis the same question i continue to ask afam when he denied ironsi accomplicity to the coup.the northerners were agitating for justice to take place on nzeogwu and his other conspirators but ironsi chose to ignored the agitations.At the point of his arrest,t y danjuma charged him of conspiracy to the jan 15 coup that left the sardauna dead.the counterl-coup was a retaliation of the first coup so i dont blame the north at all. afterall it's an eye for eye[/quote]Let me make it very clear to you, your level of reasoning is low and you are too stupid to acknowledge your mistakes or errors and for these things I see you as a dog.

You clearly stated that Ironsi led the first coup and that he killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas.

I have repeatedly asked you to justify or provide the name of even one person that Ironsi killed and all you could do is turn around and deny the first lie and instead started asking questions about whether he benefited from the coup.

Until you are bold enough to accept responsibility of your actions (in this case 2 blatant lies) any useless question you ask will be responded to in this same manner.

What are you afraid of? Can't you do without lying? Are you too big to accept your mistakes?

marvix:
Thank u Afam if u a a better ritualist go ahead if u think ul make a beta robber go ahead if Julius Berger refuses to giv bribes or concession to get a job quacks will be given the job. Y don't we correct d anomaly in d pay structure do u hav an idea hw much a fresh graduate earns in d ministries and he wasn't trained by govt but his parents so y shld he hav an oportunity nd then not utilize it take it or leave it corruption keeps dis country running dat is y some people hav not formed militias dats y som pple can go to school. I'm not sayin corruption is good but we can't just allow pple witout d requsite expertise get jobs just because we won't compromise. My logic mayb faulty on this but I believe dat if u are not involved in a problem u may not be able to understand how d problem works and hence won't be able to address the probs or y do u think internet hackers are employed to find ways to secure data?

This is a case of "if you cannot beat them join them" and I disagree with it because it invariably means that if majority of people around your are armed robbers then it makes sense to join them.

I have seen university students who come from very wealthy homes go into prostitution all in the name of runs and the funny thing is that some of them don't need the money, they just want to belong.

Internet hackers have skills that are being used to tackle a problem. Skills can be used positively or negatively and in my case I have chosen to use my knowledge and skills to do only what is right all the time. No regrets whatsoever and no intention of changing this.

Peer pressure don't affect me and I can stand against the crowd if need be, I don't join any bandwagons because others are doing so and I am not a people pleaser.

biina:
The truth that some of you shy away from was that all those leaders were simply politicians, and were all ready to use almost any means available to get into power. In the end, the standard six educated Sardauna, outplayed and 'out-politicked' the two intellectuals in Zik and Awo, and that is the sad truth of why we are where we are today.

Agree completely with this as politicians can go to any extent to achieve their aims.

marvix:
With pple like Afam who can pontificate and look down on bribes dis country will go nowhere cos all he is interested in is not soiling his name nd hands while pple lik d councillor who has received her share of all that they are doin is paying some back to the society.
Afam told us he turned down a N6b project just because he was asked to grease a palm even though d other companies knew nxt to nothing on d project he walked away d truth be told dat project wld still be executed nd Afam cld hav made some good money but now someone who knows nxt to nothin wld do d job he won't do it well and d profits wld also not be contributed to society. Afam can decide to play it d Nigerian way get d jobs done use his profit beta d society and still fight corruption. America as it is today was not built by saints

I never stated that I was a saint and my decision not to offer or accept bribes must be respected whether you like it or not. Using your logic then it is ok for me to become an armed robber as the money made could be used to better the society or even a ritualist.

You may make all the excuses in the world for you to engage in all forms of illegality but such excuses make no sense to me sorry. Feel free to rob people and explain it away that a lot of people are doing it if you like.

selingel:
Yes, you may now be looking at it, at a more broader perspective, but I still insist, that this Police man might have plan for his life, by gathering some cash and maybe opening a small scale biz, just to cater for his wedding, and something to keep the family going for sometime. But when demand begins to exceed supply, and the resources now dries up, or may be I should say, resources cannot march demand, and he is faced with the earlier illustrated example of needing N650,000 to treat his only son, what happens to his principle, when he faces N1m bribe?

Planning and being realistic about life. I am not in a position to answer for anyone that may be faced with such bribe offer but as for me I have been in difficult situations a lot of times and not once did I even contemplate it. Call me a rare breed if you like but I am not like the typical guy out there.

Time to sleep, goodnight and take care.

marvix:
@Afam wat was his position on 3rd term? The question is d worst leaders not who tried try telling us in your opinion who was d worst and if u want u can list from worst to bad

Worst? IBB for institutionalizing corruption and annulling the freest and fairest election ever held in Nigeria. An election where Nigerians voted for candidates irrespective of religion and ethnicity.

marvix:
Afam I c u hav made enuf to be comfortable nd wen u drive along d streets u c children sellin pure water because they can't go to school nd u feel well its not my fault pls if u hav d oportunity kil one to save hundred make d extra money and completely give it to charity and u wld hav set dis country on a beta pedestal instead of actin or bein a saint in hell

Don't assume things my friend, there is no way to know whether I am comfortable or not from my posts. I am the type that will say no to illegal money and go home to drink garri. I am very contented with what I have and I don't see money as many people see it.

This is more about character than anything else. Just as there are women that you cannot sleep with no matter what you offer them and it's not because they are comfortable.

selingel:
One, I appreciate your courage to be very outspoken, and secondly, I admit your strength to defend your course, by even insisting that, it exist even amongst the foreigners. If it then exist amongst these people, then, you will see why a typical Nigerian will never resist such offers. Thank GOD you went confessed too that, your former colleagues even did same. That is the plight of a typical Nigerian worker.

Let me say here that, when I was in school, there used to be a Police man living in the same compound with me. Later, I discovered that he was a very religious man. He never collected bribes, and this fact was confirmed by his colleagues. To me, how long will he continue to act this way, knowing the characters we have in the Nigerian Police force? People like this try to live a good life, but will the society allow them? How long will they stay glued to their principle? When he gets married and the demand for more money comes, will he not be tempted?

You have touched on a very important point here - marriage, responsibilities and needs. This is where a lot of us get it wrong. You see someone who manages to finish NYSC and once he gets his first appointment letter he gets married, no planning for the future and sometimes people do this because others are doing it.

I know friends who got married just because Shell or Mobil gave them jobs (whether contract or regular) because they felt they had arrived.

I know married people that keep breeding children like rabbits and yet cannot feed them. Most of these financial pressures are self inflicted.

Let me not divert into other issues so as not to derail this thread but the point is that we can live better lives if we can plan and more importantly if we are contented with what we have without needing to live false lives where in the bid to show off we over borrow and use things we may never be able to repay.

I think OBJ did well compared to the other leaders in spite of his mistakes and shortcomings. No doubt he gets things done when he wants to and everyone knows his mind or positions on issues unlike the others that will say A and do B.

I shall remember you in prayers because you need serious help.

selingel:
I just hope your strength will not wear out, because even the most holiest amongst the wolves, later wine and dine with the wolves. I am not encouraging giving and taking of bribes, but what I am saying here is that, if you are the holiest amongst these people, is either you partake in it and remain in the office, or you refuse to partake in it or be kicked out (that is, you will set up and be finally sacked, or be demoted).

I guess I should have stated this before now, I said bye bye to paid employment because I could not stand the hypocrisy, double standards and even back stabbing by colleagues and I am a very blunt person who is not afraid to defend what he knows regardless of the position of the people in question.

Luckily for me most of my working experience had to do with foreigners from Americans to Scots and Britons even though the issues I highlighted were still there but not as pronounced as what obtained with our own people (Nigerians). I have lived and worked in places like PH, Onne, Eket, Lagos and Bonny Island. If you throw in the Special Intensive Training Program by RGU Aberdeen in Warri then you will know the industry I worked in before kissing paid employment goodbye.

marvix:
Afam y wld u turn down a 6bn project wen u seem to be d best man available somone else witout d required skill will grease d necesary hands get d job and do it shoddily u cld hav taken d job deliva a superb job made your profit and u cld den go ahead adding value to pples life d way deborah was doing. Let's not kil dis nation wit principles dat takes us nowhere

Sorry, I don't offer nor take bribes. There is no middle ground on these things trust me and once you start there is no going back.

It is like killing someone. Kill one person and you won't see anything wrong in killing 100.

I am doing my best to develop men of integrity and I am happy that quite a number of people around me have changed for the better. It is either they genuinely changed or they are wonderful actors and actresses because with human beings you never know.

selingel:
No please, do not see it as insult. We are making individual contributions here, on how to better our nation. Why I am saying all these is because, I work and live in Asokoro, here in Abuja. So, my contributions are not tales by moonlight. I see these things on daily basis, hence the emphasis.

Sorry for the confusion, I never meant you were insulting me, I merely stated that I am consistent in whatever I do. My apologies for not being too clear. That part had nothing to do with your own comments thus far.

RoadStar:
From Gowon to Ojukwu to Awo to Sauron(the slowpoke) and now Afam.
This thread has outlived its usefulness having been hijacked by all sorts of Idiots who dont have the ability to stay on course a discussion.

Bunch of Retards !
Abeg OP close this thread jare !

Abeg tell them, that is how they introduce all sorts of diversions to an otherwise clear issue. Really sad. And you begin to wonder why Nigeria is not making serious progress.

selingel:
I must confess here, that I covet your kind of person, but I must still add here too, how long will your kind of person stand out, amongst these wolves. You may have such principle, but will it withstand the test of time to the end? I will still say it, that, in Nigeria today, it will take an extremist to walk from such money on the table, even without any need, talkless of that earlier narrated. If I say, you might just be one of those that will walk away, does that, mean you may not cave in to it some day?

There is nothing in the world that will change me. I am way to consistent in all I do (including responding to insults in kind on this forum and out there in the real world because that is the language a lot of us understand) because I made the choice a long time ago.

I don't do anything to please people and no amount of money would make me change, those that know me well will tell you that including my enemies.

At least, if I can walk away from N6Billion project because I refused to grease the hands of the person responsible for the signing of the contract even when the other 2 companies that were included were asked to go since none of them demonstrated relevant knowledge on what the project was about then I can assure you that not many people can offer such amount of money.

selingel:
Sorry for jumping into this, but it will take an extremist to reject such an offer, minding his/her current situation. We may say some may not collect such offers, but in the real sense of it, will they reject it, and in Nigeria?

Whether extremists or not there are people that will reject such offers.

I cut off a few friends who believed that every rich man in Nigeria cannot claim to have made money without doing something illegal. This they repeatedly told me when I relate to them some of my encounters with people who propose all manner of businesses to me.

I have severally been asked by scammers to replicate bank websites and even though I can do this under 4 hours from start to finish (including everything on the original website) and you have on the average N200,000.00 on the table I tell them I won't do that.

Now, people tell me I am being too rigid for not making N200,000.00 for just 4 hours work on my laptop but they seem not to understand the issue of right or wrong.

This is just a matter of hours not to talk about hundreds of millions worth of projects that one is being begged to handle by banks.

There are indeed honest men and women in Nigeria who will not be moved at all by any amount of money based on principles, integrity and credibility.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=397601.msg5512829#msg5512829 date=1266178921]Just because your highness in poverty cannot afford internet usage does not make the rest of us who can afford it DESPERATE?
If you are tired of life, why don't you get a piece of strong rope and tie to a beam and kill yourself?
So posting on the internet means one does not have a life outside the forum? The money spent on your education shoulda been used to buy condoms to prevent your conception.

Go to hell, you sly, pretentious, attention seeking and priggish ba[i]s[/i]tard.[/quote]Did I touch something? Scammers are known to have very short fuses and it seems yours just blew.

I have been having 24 hours internet access as long as I can remember whether at home or in the office so try another silly comment as the poverty/internet usage you made is dumb.

okunoba:
@Afam, u claim not to insult anyone who as a different opinion from u, Y then do u call me shameless, a fool, stick mirror in my behind and i deserve to rot in hell. U have only proved me right with all these abuse.  Is`t it necessary? can u not make a point without resulting to insults.

Where in my post did I say I was ashamed of my ethnicity? I am who I am and very happy in my own skin. Thanks very much.

Don't make me call you a bloody hypocrite (will be surprised if I had not done so already going by your posts). I have responded accordingly to your posts and just before you drink to it I have never denied my response in kind style so I am never afraid of returning any insult from anyone in kind.

Go back and reread your posts and see if you noticed anything.

There are people on this forum I hardly ever agree with and no single harsh word or insult has been used in my disagreements with them.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=397601.msg5512813#msg5512813 date=1266178309]You are a useless douche-cake.
When one username gets banned, a reasonable fellow(unlike you) will get another username and post freely.
Why are you so grumpy?

Name: Hannibal
Posts: 3805 (6.374 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: June 27, 2008, 07:40 PM
Last Active: October 01, 2009, 10:14 AM

U can now see you were bathed in the waters of LIES when you popped out in the labour room.
There's nothing a desperate Ibo boy will not do to sound relevant.
Ewu Ara!!!! Better go and pass JAMB and stop constituting a nuisance on a public forum
I am sorry for your bleak future.[/quote]Thanks for the comments. So, you were banned and you registered another username. I thought as much, desperate to use the forum. Guess you don't have a life outside this forum after all.

I can now understand the reason for the bitterness. Get a pet like a cat or a bat, either will help keep you company.

By the way Sauron was registered on September 30, 2008 just 4 months after registering Hannibal even though Hannibal was being used until October 1, 2009.

You are simply one of the scammers on this forum, using multiple usernames to defraud people. Shame on you.

Name: ~Sauron~
Posts: 19060 (38.044 per day)
Position: Active Poster
Date Registered: September 30, 2008, 10:39 PM
Last Active: Today at 09:18:22 PM

[quote author=na.com2 link=topic=397601.msg5512778#msg5512778 date=1266177607]Pa Afam, i know you may be dozens of years older than me but please try to act like a grown up sometimes and learn to always get so worked up like a grumpy old man[/quote]Dozens of years older than you? Oya, enter your mama belle rest for some time, mumu, dem born you yesterday abi? Keep failing your exams and use your age as excuse.


[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=397601.msg5512784#msg5512784 date=1266177703]How can?
Afam is still in secondary school.
There's no way anyone older than 16 can be typing this amount of drivel in 24 hours.[/quote]For someone using multiple usernames on this forum I need not waste my time on you. Only criminals would be doing that and I guess it runs in the family.

Yesterday hannibal, today Sauron. Only God knows how many usernames you are actually using here, criminal minded fool.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=397601.msg5512668#msg5512668 date=1266176012]Whatever happened to your proud statement that Igbos would rather die fighting than run away?  [/quote]Even the president of the US gets hidden and taken to bunkers when there is war situation or imminent attack and that does not mean that the Americans are afraid of fighting or dying for their country. I thought you were more intelligent than this, my mistake, here is my apology for thinking so.


[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=397601.msg5512668#msg5512668 date=1266176012]I never thought you were capable of this pettiness and childishness.  I wonder whether this is the first time anyone ever took a high road and accepted being corrected during a discussion with you. Your gloating is like that of a small boy, most likely bushboy,  that was given sweet or candy for the very first time. olodo  [/quote]You did not make a mistake, people exposed a lie that you were fed since you were born. If it was a mistake you would have accepted the correction the first time but you went ahead to try to tell more lies by insisting that the Mid Western region was deemed to be Eastern region.

I know the difference between a mistake and a well oiled lie being handed over to you by your parents so stop claiming you made any mistake because you did not.

And your admitting to the blunder means nothing because you had no choice as everyone focused on the blunder.

okunoba:
@Afam, can u see urself without looking in the mirror? We are your mirror, what we see is a ethnic bigot, full of hate and anger.  U are intolerant of opinions that differ from urs, u see the World from an ethnic view, your World is Igbo and nothing else. U mentioned being a proud Igbo man, similar to what the KKK or BNP members would say. They are also very proud of their white heritage. I am Yoruba, there is nothing to be  proud or ashamed of about  it, that is just my reality. I didn`t not choose to be Yoruba, but I am con fortable in my skin and heritage. I am who I am. If u stop looking at the World from an ethnic point of view, u will free the mind from ethnic bigotry which clouds  your ability to be objective on issues relating to Ojuwku and the civil war.

What exactly did Ojukwu see or complained  about over 40yrs ago that is being witnessed today? could it be the greed, corruption and selfishness of most black African leaders that as been in existence since the days of slavery until present, or maybe it`s the divide and rule tactic which he propagated to a new height at the cost of millions of lives.
Ojukwu starved his own people and he took advantage of their pain and fear.

The man took poor helpless people to war without guns, enough food and without the backing of the rest of the World. The guy was a dictator who took his people on a suicide mission and when it was time 4 him to face the consequences of his actions he fled and u come here to praise him.  

Ndigbo do run from fights just like most black people, we know when to fight and when to run, to live another day. it`s called survival instinct.  If this was not the case we would have fought the Europeans until we were all exterminated like the American Indians.  Ojukwu just never listened to the elders when told to backdown from a mission that was already a losing battle before it even started. That is what u get when u have a young spoilt brat running a nation,

You are indeed shameless because I have never insulted anyone based on differences on issues here and this is a fact that cannot be denied.

However, I have responded to fools like you that cannot finish a sentence without introducing insults.

Who bloody cares if you are ashamed of your tribe? I am not ashamed of my being Igbo and I respect every other tribe out there.

I have never insulted any tribe or ethnic group so you better stick that mirror of yours in your behind.

When faced with facts you turn around to make ridiculous allegations. You deserve to rot in hell for such spineless accusations.

Oboma1:
I am not disputing you, but these things happen on daily basis. Which civil servant in Nigeria, will not collect a bribe of N1,000,000, when the doctors needs N650,000 to operate his only child?

There are people that will not collect the N1M bribe regardless of the pressing needs they may have.

We must stop justifying wrong things because some people are not disciplined enough to reject illegality.

Some of us have turned our backs on projects running into hundreds of millions of naira and even billions based on principles so it is not an impossible thing to do.

[quote author=ndu_chucks link=topic=397601.msg5512552#msg5512552 date=1266174501]I'm glad you've  finally stated the obvious, i.e. Ojukwu's decision not to surrender after the blockade directly contributed to the deaths of these women and children.

You also stated that an igbo man would rather die fighting, the sad thing is that, your hero Ojukwu did not do that. Instead of him and his commanders to die fighting, they ran away and let the women and children die.  This fact is not in dispute and the act is shameful.  Those of you who are insensitive to this cowardly act probably do not have relatives, children, or mothers who died as a result of the act.

As I said earlier, attrocities were perpetrated on both sides, the least an intellectually honest person you can do, is admit that.[/quote]Ojukwu was a symbol and had he died it would have given Nigeria something to brag about hence the decision for him to leave. As a Northerner you may have problem with this but all proud Igbo sons and daughters celebrate him for his actions in spite of any mistakes he made.

That he remains alive today to see other Nigerians who contributed directly or indirectly complaining about what he objected to over 40 years ago is enough proof that God wanted him to witness these unfolding events. We fought a war that was waged on us and we lost due to a lot of factors and 40 years down the road we are marching ahead and becoming self reliant where as some regions cannot survive without handouts from the FG.

Now that I answered your question when will you start telling your friends, colleagues and relations that you just found out today that Nzeogwu was not an Easterner? You may be surprised at the reactions you may get as I am sure many people think so to based on lies being fed to them over 43 years ago.