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Shoot2Kill:
As for the rest of you IGBOS on Nairaland who constantly debate the issue of the civil war, you are a shame to Nigerians and mostly a shame to IGBOS. Why do you guys ridicule the memories of those people that died during the war with your hateful banter? Do you think that by accusing the Yoruba tribe the dead igbos will resurrect?

When educated people begin to generalize the way you do I get worried. What's with accusing the Yoruba tribe? I live and work in Lagos and I understand the Yoruba language and have a lot of Yoruba friends and even Muslim friends so I can assure you that I don't play the dirty tribal game some of you play here.

I am a proud Igbo man and will always expose or correct lies being told about the Igbos by anyone from any tribe. I have never insulted any tribe and will not do so because I am not that stupid.

Easy with the generalization or you end up being hypocritical in your analysis.

~Sauron~:
JAMB? So JAMB is the criteria to prove the illiteracy in the East?
You are a disgrace to your community.

Of course, those urchins selling Automobile Spare Parts in Lagos are Law graduates.

JAMB is an independent body. Do you expect me to ask people like you who lie about everything? This is about statistics and you don't get them from the streets.

You would be surprised to know that some of those people who sell these spare parts are actually graduates. Even okada riders thanks to the type of Nigeria you want where excellence is usually sacrificed at the altar of mediocrity.

~Sauron~:
Go back and digest thousands of tribalistic hokums u have spewed on this forum.
U don't insult Yorubas?. . . . . .Britney Spears is a virgin!

Desperation is setting in and more lies are being introduced.

Reproduce any single post where I ever insulted the Yorubas or any tribe for that matter or hide your stupid head in shame.

ndu_chucks:
@Afam, please try to answer the specific question I asked. In case you misunderstood the question, let me repeat it here, a simple yes or no would suffice if you have trouble finding words to express yourself in this case:

Would you be willing to admit that if Ojukwu  had surrendered as soon as the blockade was in place, hundreds of thousands of Igbo women and children's lives would not have perished?

Confirm your intellectual honesty and admit that what Ojukwu did in this case, was wrong and let's move on. There were attrocities on both sides and it takes a real man to speak the truth. Let's call a spade, a spade.

We can debate whether a blockade is a valid war tactic later.

To answer your question directly hundreds of thousands of Igbo women and children's lives (as you put it) would not have perished if Biafra had surrendered because starvation was used as a war tactic based on one condition - that the same Adekunle and Murtala who were executing civilians wouldn't have executed them as they did to other defenseless Biafrans.

With that question out of the war I make bold to say that you understand nothing about the will power to defend a people, trust me that is why you cannot push an Igbo man around, he would rather die fighting than accept the role of a slave even in his own land.

~Sauron~:
I don't have time for these Ibo street urchins.
They skipped school when their mates were learning. The temptation to sell spare parts in Alaba market overcame the passion to learn about their own History which is why many of them are believing the lies their grandfathers told em about the Yorubas.

I am logging off to go play some FIFA10.
C-ya later.

When you are done kindly head to JAMB and ask them to show you the stats about university enrollment based on regions and you will be shocked with what you will find.

Keep fooling yourself that the Igbos don't go to school.

~Sauron~:
Then take the matter to the World Court.
Stop airing your accumulated frustrations on the web by wasting bandwidth on what you cannot change.

Which lie was told from generation to generation? That Ojukwu did not lead your folks into a civil war or what?

And you call bashing a national hero respect?
Were you born feet first?

Mekuxxy is the instigator.
I am only acting in self defence.
If you think you and your uneducated brothers can come here and spew fuckery about the Yorubas then you are in for a shock.
Buncha airheads!

For the records, I have never insulted the Yorubas and would not do so as the Yorubas as a people have not done anything wrong to me.

I focus on issues and respond to individuals from any tribe and address issues accordingly.

I am not as stupid as you are to abuse a people based on the actions or inactions of a few.

And who told you we can't change the lies being told by your type? At least, from today Ndu_Chucks will tell his friends and relations that he just learnt that Nzeogwu was not from the Eastern region.

RoadStar:
Who don't you place a sticker of Awo on your forehead or better still have it tattoed on your Arse!

Awo has also been responsible for the loss of lives amongst his yoruba kindred before the war.

The fact though is that not all Yorubas think like you.

Awo worshiping slowpoke !

Nice one tell the man abeg!

~Bluetooth:
@afam---dont make this difficult.was aguiyi ironsi a beneficiary of the coup,yes or no

For someone that has told very clear lies I find your question ridiculous. Stop shifting goal posts as I am already tired of getting into your six yards box and anytime I am about to shoot you move the post.

~Sauron~:
It is Ibo and yes i am insulting part of the tribe that are so moronic to be bringing a senseless civil war debate in this day and age.
I have always known Mekuxxy is a glorified simpleton but the number of Ibo geezers backing him is a disgrace and that includes you charlatan!

Only a criminal or a complete fool would state that the civil war should not be discussed because if you don not know where you are coming from then you will certainly not know where you are going to.

You cannot fool anyone here because your major problem is that one after the other lies that have been told from generation to generation are being exposed.

There is absolutely nothing that cannot be discussed on this forum as long as there is mutual respect from all parties.

And you that effortlessly insults a tribe while claiming you are insulting part of the tribe do not have any moral right to talk about Mekuxxy as it smacks of unadulterated hypocrisy and gross stupidity.

~Sauron~:
If you are not suffering from chronic dyslexia, you shoulda seen the word "some" before Ibo folks.
Of course, a hypocritical twunt like you see what you want to see.

I am insulting part of the tribe not all. Read carefully before your hyperventilation sends you to heaven.
"Some Ibo folks. . . . ."

It is Igbo not Ibo, at least you should get the spelling right. You are insulting part of the tribe? You see why I stated you were a tribal bigot?

~Bluetooth:
@afam---stop trippin and answer my questions.aguiyi ironsi was a conspiracy to the first coup that left sardauna and akintola dead.if ironsi was not an accomplice,why did t y danjuma acussed him of so at the point of his arrest in ibadan?.stop arguing unnecessarily.one way or the other, LATE AGUIYI IRONSI WAS AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE FIRST COUP .

First, you claimed he led the first coup and turn around to deny it and now changed the lie to being accomplice and yet have the guts to support the allegation with what Danjuma said.

You don't decide which lie you will address as the more glaring one about Ironsi killing a lot of Yorubas and Hausas will haunt you until you acknowledge them as lies.

~Sauron~:
He led them like rams to a senseless war he knew he could never win.
Millions of lives were lost and the instigator ran with his tails between his legs and the war survivors are blaming the Yorubas for their loss.
Honestly, some Ibo folks are morons.

Ibo folks? Another tribal bigot. Why insult a tribe rather than insult specific people you have issues with?

Insulting a tribe is wrong based on the actions of a few whether wrong or right.

ode remo:
'@ AFAM, dont denigrate this debate with jibes like that , i am sure if i call ojukwu a horse you will want my head on a plate. its for you to defend your corner now.

Who made the comment? I thought you stated you believe information from the horse's mouth? You brought horse into the equation not me, check your post again to confirm.

ndu_chucks:
Afam, I suspect you are an honest man. Would you be willing to admit that if Ojukwu  has surrendered as soon as the blockade was in place, hundreds of thousands of Igbo women and children's lives would not have perished? Allowing these children and women to die senselessly is an attrocious act of wickedness and cowardice.  

I am not talking about what Ojukwu saw 40 years ago and are being witnessed as you put it, today. I am talking about hundreds of thousands of Igbo children and women who died. Surely, Ojukwu shares in the responsibility of their dealths.  That of course, is not to say that the people who imposed the blockade are free of sin.

Confirm your honesty and admit that what Ojukwu did in this case, was wrong. Let's call a spade, a spade.

My honesty has never been in doubt, even my worst enemies admit that much. I am very honest and never tell lies about anything, that is why I believe that liars should be shot.

Ojukwu has some blames but not the ones you and your friends are accusing him of - killing of innocent children. So, you believe that starvation is a legitimate war tactic, is that right?

Ojukwu fought to defend his people who where subjected to all manner of killings and atrocities from despoil to genocide.

ode remo:
excerpt from gowon interview, i prefare to hear info frm the horses mouth.

Who is the horse in this case? Gowon or the person being interviewed?

ednuttyz:
The problem with this inverter hype of a thing is that people marketing the invertrers dont tell you the whole truth. To acquire the inverter itself may be cheap but the cost of the battery is another thing. I bought an inverter in 2007 for N15,000. It was after this that I was told I needed minimum of 100amp battery to provide the power. The least battery I got was N25,000.  These are not the ordinary batteries but the sealed type. To really enjoy it, I needed minimum of 2 batteries.

It is really possible to enjoy 24 hour electricity with the inverter but that will depend on the number of batteries, and the load. Because it is the batteries actually doing the job of storing power and dispensing it when the inverter is at work. But to really enjoy power for a long time, you may need up to 5 batteries. Multiply the cost of batteries and you will know what I'm talking about.

The inverter technology is good, no doubt. I have been using mine for over two years now, maintenance free. It was imported anyway. It provides constant light, noiseless and cost efficient. But battery is the problem as you need to constantly charge it when there is light. at a stage too, the battery becomes weak, and you need to get another one. When I first started using mine, the battery could last up to 5 hours when I have just the light and fan on. Now it hardly does 30 minutes. I know I need to get another set of batteries.

The bottomline is tha the inverter is good. But be prepared for the cost of the batteries. Some mentioned that you could us ethe ordinary car batteries for but I've not tried it. But in the long rin, you will discover that it saves you money and energy if you acquire it.

To address your concerns I must state that Just Alternative Power has been the most consistent and honest provider of inverter backup systems to the extent that a contract by a bank to do a project worth N300M was rejected because it was stated that even N400M would not make me touch it even when at least 6 companies had agreed to do the project for N300M.

So, for us it is about maintaining a very high level of professional integrity in business.

Even real life experiences have been written as articles and published since 2004. This is the 6th year I have worked without using a generator in my office and the inverter is locally built.

You may see www.justalternativepower.com for more information. One thing people complain about is the price and we will only review the price upwards and not downwards because we know what we build and the warranty that comes with our inverters.

Majority of these imported inverters you see being advertised are inverters I refused to market and partner with based on reliability even when the directors of these companies came down to Nigeria to discuss them.

hatch#:
Here we go again, tons and tons of lies upon lies.

Look here this mumu, you don't accuse people of telling lies without pointing out the lies. I have consistently pointed out lies I accused others of telling so if you have any point them out. This is not your home where such allegations fly up and down.

hatch#:
@ ndu chucks

You have hit the nail of the head . Exact point is that the likes of Afam seek solace and consolation in feeling accepted and important on Nairaland not knowing that the likes of himself are hopeless outright ethnic bigots who will stop at nothing from name calling to outright insult when they are loosing out on a basic and simple debate.

Pure outright glorified human pitbull,that is what he is.

Seems you are desperately trying to sound intelligent, nice try but woeful outcome.

Not a single soul can label me a tribalist because I don't see things through tribal or ethnic prisms. I have respect for everyone regardless of race, gender or religion and these things manifest themselves in my life.

Now, I hate lies and detest people who tell them.

I advocate for debates devoid of insults and push for mutual respect.

However, even though no single person on this forum can accuse me of insulting him/her based on differences on issues I can assure you that indeed there is a constantly growing line of people who will shamelessly accuse me of insulting them even when I do so as responses in kind and will continue to do so if only to teach such people that not everyone is under one form of obligation or another to tolerate their insults.

For emphasis sake, my strong positions on this thread hover around outright lies by some posters here especially Bluetooth who claimed that Ironsi led the first coup and that he killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas.

Let anyone that would rather focus on Afam first tackle that lie because that was the lie I challenged that brought about the issue of insults and debates as diversions to the issue.

ndu_chucks:
Afam, your fans know that you are a very important Igbo fighter. Don't mind me, your ego remains intact. Enjoy your weekend, sir.

You say my blunder cannot be pardoned by you as if I give a rat's as_s about your pardon. You should be worried about pardoning Ojukwu and his commanders who allowed Igbo children and women to starve to death instead of surrendering, while they themselves ran away.

Igbo fighter ke? For starters, I don't support Biafra or MASSOB but I am a very proud Igbo man.

Ojukwu does not need any pardon because what he saw and complained about over 40 years ago are being witnessed and addressed even today so that makes him a very wise man.

The Igbo spirit in Ojukwu would not let him do nothing and watch his people killed by the Nigerian soldiers because as the leader of the then Eastern region he had a duty to defend everyone in the then Eastern region from mass killings by Nigerian soldiers.

Just before another lie gains ground (as I will do my best to expose them) Ojukwu did not declare war neither did he attack anyone. Ojukwu defended the Easterners when Nigeria declared war on Biafra and invaded Biafra.

The Igbos don't run away from such fights, they fight back in spite of the saboteurs, back stabbers and arms and ammunition being provided by even powerful nations of the world.

More than 40 years later the spirit of the Igbos lives on and what we ask for are being asked for by many groups today - justice, equity, fair play and equal opportunity as the average Igbo man will survive anywhere as long as you don't short change him.

Enjoy the rest of the weekend and stay blessed. And then shun all lies.

~Bluetooth:
i didnt say ironsi led the first coup but way or the other you can rule out his comlicity because he was directly the beneficiary of the coup and he never did allowed justice to take place on the coup-plotters despite agitations by the northerners that justice should take place.instead,ironsi ignored and decided to appoint military prefect who are mostly igbo to man strategic positions in the country.if ironsi was not a conspiracy to the coup,why didnt he prosecute nzeogwu and others?

You didn't say Ironsi led the first coup? That is an unnecessary lie. While you are still on this denial could you comment on the second lie that Ironsi killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausa?

ndu_chucks:
There is a big difference between been corrected, accepting the correction, and being a liar. I challenge you to point out in any post, the lies that you claim I tell.  Whenever someone corrects an error I make, I'm not too proud to accept it - I don't need my ego massaged.  You don't have to reduce yourself to being intellectually dishonest to make a cheap point. I know you are playing to your fans on NL who are already coming out to hail you - this is typical of you people.

Do you really understand that a war was fought where millions died based on actions of some Northerners who massacred mostly Easterners based on the composition of the first coup?

Now, for you to categorically state that Nzeogwu was an Easterner goes to show how you effortlessly make statements that could lead to deaths and in this case such statements based on lies led to the killing of many people and ended in a war where millions of people died.

Again, I don't see your statement as a mistake considering the fact that you tried to even justify it by stating that even the Mid Western region was deemed to be Eastern region.

This my friend is no mistake but a shocking blunder based on years of being fed lies. Sorry, I am not buying whatever you are selling on this.

Is this not the same way our own Bluetooth stated that Ironsi led the first coup and actually killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas?

I am Igbo and whenever lies are being spread about my people I respectfully challenge them and when those spreading them refuse or begin to go personal I respond in kind.

Ndu_Chucks, your blunder cannot be pardoned considering your positions on such issues, you should know better.

na.com2:
_{Oh my Goodness !   Afam is already engaged in a fight like a baby in this thread. hmmm}

Face your studies you unintelligent girl changing schools like skirts every other year.

Trust me your parents can spend all the money in the world to send you to school but it is your duty to pass your exams. Keep failing your exams and switching schools till you graduate at 30 years, silly thing.

ndu_chucks:
Afam, you come across as a very angry person who is intolerant and incapable of having any friendly conversation whatsoever as long as it concerns the civil war. You are probably a casaulty of the war, I feel sorry for you and pray for your healing.

I don't have friendly discussions with people who lie all the time.

I am not a casualty of war and in reality you would not want to know the facts about my family as such facts would shock you.

Your lies are despicable and that is what I am against.

I have never addressed you the way I did today because I never knew you were capable of telling such lies.

asha 80:
it seems you love afam?by the way i hope you are in city centre enjoying your valentine instead of wasting in east kilbride.

God forbid! Valentine ke? When no reasonable man will come close to this olodo who keeps changing school every other year.

asha 80:
Afam what if Ahmadu bello made that call to confuse Azikiwe into enteering into an agreement with him?It might not have been true that Awolowo was meeting Ahmadu Bello as the time Awo's representative was meeting with Azikiwe.You cannot rule that out you know

That's a possibility I agree. I would expect people to challenge the position unless all the players but the writer are dead.

ndu_chucks:
I'm sure you are smart enough to understand that the belief that Kaduna was from the East did not cause the "pogroms" that followed the coup. It was the fact that most of the Majors that perpetrated the coup were Igbos and the fact that the leaders of the North as I mentioned earlier were killed that triggered the said response.

If you choose to ignore that point,  that's your choice. But to conclude that these events took place simply because people thought Kaduna was Igbo, is intellectually dishonest and outright silly.

Well, what do I know? You tell me the reason because if you as educated as you are could commit such unpardonable blunder then one can only imagine what others were told in the North to warrant the senseless killings of their neighbors, friends, tenants, business partners, colleagues etc based on what a handful of military men did.

I can only imagine what Northerners who were not educated were told, I would rather confine that to imagination as the reality would be too terrible to contemplate.

hatch#:
Talking about credibility   Afam you dont understand that word nor its meaning. A parentless worm like you . I thought you were not ready to play dirty with me you Arrow   You probably can not avoid me , bloody onitsha tout.

Who says a condom is not a useful tool that can be used to save the world from mad men. An abortion would have helped in this case too. I do not see any reason why someone spent 9 months carrying you unless of course you be premature (maybe 3 1/2 months) with incomplete brain.

Na wahooo. I no fit shout!

Facts are sacred and they always stand the test of time.

hatch#:
afam, you will always play according to a script of a movie   Is it not you ? Like the cover of a book.You know deep inside that you will never let go. After all you have confessed to it several times that your father  and mothers pathetic mistake for bringing you to his world is responsible for your misery.

afam a good example of missing chapters of the book called misery.

You see how you have been manipulated and instructed to avoid the issues and dwell on what you know how best to do - personal insults. This is how you know someone with very little brain, easily controlled.

Trust me your credibility has been gravely damaged that anything you attempt to put down on the core issue will be summarily dismissed. Live with this fact.

ndu_chucks:
Ok, I stand corrected, Chukwuma was not an easterner.  Would you also be honest enough to acknowledge that the coup he led was perpetrated by mainly Igbo majors, and for whatever reason, most of the Northern leaders including Sardauna and Balewa were killed?

Would you also acknowledge that the killings of these Northern leaders greatly contributed to the  "pogroms" that followed.

I am not too proud to accept correction. We must be completely honest with each other to learn from each other.

Stand corrected? On an issue that was so important that it was used as an excuse to massacre Easterners?

How many more Northerners were fed this crap that you wrote? How many innocent people have died based on such propaganda and lie?

Considering all the arguments you have been making on anything remotely related to the Biafran/Nigerian war in my opinion every single post you make should be ignored as this was not a mistake. You simply repeated what you were fed for several years.

Personally, for making such a senseless blunder I can comfortably state that this thread has exposed some of the hate filled information that have been passed from generation to generation.

This is most unfortunate.

Maybe the other guys (Bluetooth and supported by Tundewoods) that claimed Ironsi led the first coup and killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas would come out and claim they stand corrected.

Facts are sacred and they don't change.

hatch#:
Ha ha  ha, you are not ready to waste time playing dirt but you have time to ready my reply and even quote it abi.
Yes my reasoning is dangerously low but enough to warrant your attention.

I laugh in your native igbo dialect. You see your types are full in onitsha market, and typical of your race.Yo so called Gra Gra will not save you from your inability to have logical debates.

After all you have recommended ota pia pia as away to solve your parents inherent problems  

Now that you are where I wanted you to be, can you allow other reasonable people to continue commenting on the thread?

Your contribution is noted (and discarded accordingly) and it looks really bad. Seems you are just a waste of orgasm, trust me. A simple condom would have saved the world the pain of having someone like you taking oxygen and releasing your disgusting CO2 to the atmosphere.

ndu_chucks:
His full name is Patrick Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu.  Chukwuma is an Eastern name the last time I checked - either way, Nzeogwu led a group of majors mainly Igbos in the coup.  His hometown is very close to Asaba - that area was deemed East, back in 1966. You people can disown him if you wish, it doesn't change the point I was making.

The hole is getting deeper.

1. Chukwuma is an Eastern name? Even Obama has a name that a typical Iraqi bears.

2. An area that was in Mid West was deemed East back in 1966? This is classical and unadulterated lie.

Only God knows how many people have been killed based on misinformation, lies and mistakes like these in the past.

This is shocking and you begin to wonder why the Easterners were massacred in the North after the second coup.

hatch#:
I think you are taking this too far and since you have chosen to take more swipe at me then i guess you do have  a problem that shows that your inferiority complex is in deed inherent in your race and particularly your generation as a whole.

You see children will always be children, Ask your elders why the pride of the average easterner has be clouded  him beyond reasoning. They will tell you that it is inherent.

One last thing, i think it is your parents that you should be recommending ota pia pia for.Since they are responsible for bringing a failure like you to this world. If you want to play dirty then i am ready to get all muddy.  

Nope, not ready to waste my time playing dirty with you. Just stated the truth about you and as they say truth is usually bitter for the clueless and confused soul.

Now, that I have you where I want I think I can focus on the thread and dismiss an inconsequential bystander like you.

The main issues now that I have been objecting to are now 3

1. That Ironsi led the first coup - A big lie

2. That Ironsi killed a lot of Yorubas and Hausas -  A bigger lie

3. That Kaduna Nzeogwu was an Easterner - The most ridiculous lie.

I am here to deal with the lies as I have respect for the truth all the time.

When I am less busy though I will address the silly things that want attention even when their level of reasoning is dangerously low.

ndu_chucks:
You, of all people should not have any difficulty understanding why some sections of Nigeria embarked on "pogrom".  A coup was led by Kaduna (an Easterner) which resulted in the cold blooded murder of primarily Northern highly beloved leaders, inculding Sardauna and Balewa - and you tell us you don't understand why their subjects reacted the way they did.  Well, I don't believe you.

Another misinformation and baseless lie.

Kaduna Nzeogwu was not from the East, check your history books or ask older people.

This is the type of lies you guys keep selling and when we object to them some begin to talk about art of debating.

See what desperation is causing. Why would any sane person do this? When will Nigerians know the fact that there is no easy money to be made any where?

mekusxxx:
What a dumb analogy. Biafrans were being killed; they did not simply wake up and sought to leave. If Lagosians are being killed by non-indigenes, the Oba of Lagos and other leading Lagosians will certainly do all they can to protect their citizens from the non-indigenes, including possibly asking the non-indigenes to leave. Please always compare oranges with their kind and not oranges with bananas.

My position on some of these ridiculous statements that have no bearing with the truth whatsoever is to ignore or dismiss them especially when they are very obvious they make no sense otherwise you will spend years addressing lies being passed from generation to generation.

hatch#:
You see Mr Afam or what ever it is you are called. I will not ridicule myself to start an argument with you as i have noticed is your way of doing over here but i will categorically say that you have a long way to go in laying down intellectual debates without unwarranted insults and abuses as i can see you have already begun to do since i have challenged your utterances.

I have repeated that majority of you posters on this thread may not have been born during or before the civil war and i stand to say that most of you know nothing apart the little you were able to gather from internet archives relating to the war.

Your arrogance is clearly displayed in your last sentence and as it's obvious that you know little or nothing about the war.

As expected, issues will be discarded and non issues brought to the fore. You thought you challenged my utterances but you did not, you merely repeated what confused minds do here, leave the issues and create all sorts of diversions.

You may go to hell or take otapiapia for all I care. I have never addressed you on this forum apart from the response I made based on your silly comment.

If you are man enough challenge the false claim that Ironsi led the first coup and that he killed a lot of Yoruba and Hausa people because that was the post that I responded to that you and your kind seem not to be comfortable with.

If you cannot address it then piss off.

hatch#:
Afam, i laugh anytime i read through threads that you always bring in your usual "Mr Well in formed  and know all" attitude in to topics such as this one. If we are to call a spade a spade i will say that this poster is correct to say that  you cant discuss issues without resulting to personal insults.

Educate more on what is not incoherent nonsense as let us hear your own side of the truths and actual information as you have done nothing but to lay claim to the fact that posters who do not share your view  are misinformed and liars.

The 2 people I have responded to on this issue claimed and support a lie that not only did Ironsi plan the Jan 15 coup that he killed a lot of Yoruba and Hausa people.

I maintained this claim is a lie and those spreading them are liars.

Now, you can continue laughing like a lunatic because you are blinded by hate not to see the lies I pointed out.

Again, it is not my duty to correct any lie you put down so don't count on your lies being addressed one after the other.

As regards what I know I owe no one any apology to know enough to discuss issues I delve into because I take time to do away with the misinformation and lies and dwell on the facts at all times. Something someone like you is incapable of doing going by your comment.

okunoba:
@afam, can u debate or discuss issues without resulting to personal insults? The art of debating is to come up with good points,  calling people names only goes to show the inability to come up with good solid points.

And you call the many incoherent nonsense you have been putting down here good debate? When we need discussions based on logic, facts and common sense trust me you will not be near the venue at all. Now, get back to your lies and misinformation since these are the things you know how to do well and allow others to focus on meaningful discussions.

~Bluetooth:
there is nothing to hide about.you and i know that ironsi was privy to the the coup even though he was the Goc which would have made him heard of it.this later led to the death of demulegun,Akintola and Shodeinde and he became the first dictator in the history of nigeria.now connect the dots afam.he was a major sponsor of the coup and a major ascendary to the presidency.igbo should discontinue on this biafra palaver if they really wanted unity with the nigerian state,40 years of marginalisation is not doing the igbo any good.

Do you really believe what you just typed or your hands were just moving on the keyboard?

So, since the facts do not support the lies and misinformation you have resorted to telling me what you think you and I know about?

Not even the counter coup plotters accused Ironsi of being part of the coup (a coup he stopped and jailed the plotters even when majority of them were Igbos) and you are here wasting my time. Good night my friend, enough of your incoherent nonsense.

Stop posting, start asking questions to know what you don't know lest people begin to disregard every single thing you type because the knowledge gap is too obvious.

When people have a legitimate complaint there are 2 options.

1. Acknowledge any wrong doing and apologize if need be

2. Admit the wrong doing, tell the aggrieved to go to hell and make it clear what you did was deliberate

Now, under normal circumstances any of the 2 options to me is ok at least you know what you are dealing with.

But in our own case, it seems we are introducing a 3rd option

3. Let of forget about the past, pretend it never happened and tell all the lies you can so that the truth will never be told

While this 3rd option seems to be the preferred option for a lot of non Igbos (going by their comments) it smacks of deceit, treachery and unadulterated cowardice.

Bluetooth and tundewoods defend your lies and misinformation now or forever keep those hands in your pockets. What I cannot understand is why individuals will be filled with so much hatred to the extent of lying or support all forms of misinformation about a people. These guys should hide their heads in shame.