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Ibime:
PDPGuy


https://www.nairaland.com/7166596/tinubu-pays-ogun-delegates-25k

Osinbajo only offered $5k for transport and accomodation

Even man of God?

I am in shock .

nihilistjnr:
Doc that PVC is useless.

If the stories are true that the likes of atiku, wike, tinubu, and osinbajo are spending millions of dollars in bribes just to win their party primaries, then you think such people are willing to let a trifling thing like individual votes stop their plans?

The worst part is the ones shouting get PVC and vote for Obi all over social media - isn't that a waste of PVC in the first instance?

That's why the japa message is critical. Nobody on Nigeria should live under the illusion that their opinion matters or their vote counts. Even in APC, they are literally trying to impose Lawan on their fellow gang members, how much more Nigeria.

The choice is really between accepting the status quo, or leaving. There isn't an option to change things

Have you forgotten i was one of the first on this forum years back to declare that the country was condemned? Of course we both know the PVC is useless but just like religious belief that illusion might be what is keeping some people sane in that country. Imagine acknowledging that you are living in the matrix. It might phuck with people's minds.

So for those who believe in PVC they can obtain it but it should not deter them from their personal japa hustle.

obainojazz:
Oh He’s trying to write some exams but was waiting on his wife to arrive.
He should be four years in this country now and did his masters at Flinders Uni.

Oh ok. Great. He will move to yet another level once he passes those exams.

donjazet:
Thank you!
This picture below is what I'm trying to warn people of.
Many people abroad here are part of the reasons we have things like these happening.

Afrodoc, raumdeuter, chic2pimp, obianojazz. Ibime
Please you guys should do well to give a balanced view of things.

As you guys are sharing success stories and positive anecdotes, also do well to share the negative anecdotes.

Not one of you have told stories of the people who you know went there and failed.
Please don't end up misleading people by mistake.
Give the 2 sides of the story.

Unless you want me to fabricate stories. I don't know any negative story that would help in balancing the narrative, apart from stories like the Naija doc who was suspended for massaging female patients BUT that has more to do with personal indiscipline than any immigration struggle. Even with the suspension the guy was still living okay.

Maximilan:
Space for driver dey doc

You go collect Naija wages or Aussie wages?

But to be honest i can't recall seeing anybody employing a driver here. Even those driving some of the most exclusive cars drive themselves.

obainojazz:
Abia state government owed him salary for months, then he met my landlord back then and that’s how he started his Australia journey.

I mean how come he is a nurse here and not a doctor. How long has he been here?

raumdeuter:
One guy in US sef, if you heard his route to the US

Southie to Fiji to Australia to USA

Some na Malay to Europe to Canada to US.

It is never going to be easy going to a new country, but keep your eyes on the end goal

Ogbeche our mod here I remembered when he reached out to me on how to enter Europe, I directed him to ib-ime who lived in Europe. Now Ogbeche77 no send us for this forum again baba dey tell me say anytime I come Munich he go carry me go watch Bayern game on his dime

Thats someone that could have been in Nigeria now doing "Emi Lokan" Its my turn, Atiku one more time, Sai baba, etc

One thing many are not thinking about is the long term prospect of the country and of the individual. Many people leaving are not leaving because of the Nigeria of now and maybe not even because of themselves, but because of potential Nigeria of tomorrow and because of their children.

It does not look like the country will get better. It actually looks like things will get worse, so while you obtain your PVC you should also be planning for your individual future so your children won't ask you JAMB questions like my school mate whose father left Texas for Nigeria in 1982-1983.

obainojazz:
Met one Nigerian doctor who’s now a nurse here
The system frustrated him, now baba is enjoying life and planning his next move

What happened to the guy?

donjazet:
What do you say to this man who japa'd at all cost?

To apply wisdom in every decision in life. I am a doctor and when i left Nigeria i went to first one country and then another that were known for the relative ease of assimilation of doctors into the system. I applied wisdom and left the country with a plan. I didn't allow a 17yr old living abroad to tell me to stay back and help Nigeria.

When people say japa they are not saying that you should wake up tomorrow and start looking for one perilous route to Afghanistan. You assess your education, work experience/skills, support system and plan both the timing and destination accordingly. A smart guy is already asking ib.ime questions about how to get into the UK.

What they are saying is that to improve your chances of having a good quality of life it might be a good idea to start planning your exit from Nigeria. For instance, rather than changing that your 2010 Camry to a newer model why not use that money to execute your Japa moves. Or minimize your spending in other ways for a year or two, see what you can save up.

The message is not for everybody. If you are educated, hard working, ambitious, amenable to a law-abiding lifestyle you can listen. If you are none of those things you can skip to the next message.

donjazet:
As I said earlier, success is loud, failure is silent.

Many at times, we hear of people that won millions via betting but you rarely hear is how much that particular person has lost before. The person won't tell you that the money he won hasn't even covered the one's he lost.

For every successful person here who emigrated, there is an equal number of those who emigrated and failed. But you won't see such story's here. Because everyone wants to always paint a picture of success online.

I've not heard Ibime, afrodoc or dayo talk about any single challenge they might have encountered along the way, challenges which they might have successfully scaled through but which can sink others.

So please my brothers. You must be open-eyed. You must make a completely well researched decision before making that leap. Thank you.

I had sleepless nights over whether to buy BMW X5 or Mercedes Benz GLE. I successfully scaled through it but it can sink others.

Ellexy:
Ffs Doc

You sef check am.

Someone whose parents are rich enough to pay probably 20-30m yearly for his school fees is telling one guy that is feeding 5 people with 120k and another one that called AIG to arrest someone over 40k that they should stay back to improve Nigeria while he lives abroad, and those ones are nodding sagely like Igbo red cap chiefs at a village meeting.

seankafor:
if you don't get my point that you have to work to the dream you desire..
Then forget about it..

All these luxeries experienced abroad can be enjoyed back home if all hands are out on deck.

They are lighting you, you are lighting candle.

You first anti-Japa comrade is in South Africa.

The 2nd one is in Nigeria but possibly embezzling government funds.

The 3rd one is in Canada acquiring top grade tertiary education and enjoying quality healthcare.

Keep exchanging DMs with police officers bro.

izzou:
[color=royalblue] Someone wrote a long epistle of how we should fight for our country and emulate Ken Saro Wiwa

But bros is in Canada, enjoy 25 hours electricity, currently in class while his mates are at home because of senseless strikes.

You see hypocrisy ehn...[/color]

It is the ones back home who are nodding in agreement like agama lizard that my thoughts are with.

nihilistjnr:
It makes a lot of sense because you're clearly not qualified to be discussing a japa message

Your parents who are clearly people of means have realised that their child is better off in a different country. Your parents....not you.

You're not a decision maker. You're not even 18 years old yet.

You just got to Canada. You don't have anything to offer. You've never held employment. You've never had to work for a living or even look for work. You're not a skilled professional who is wasting away in that shithole of a country.

That's why I brought that screenshot, because it provides the context for what I'm about to say next.

The abroad based people who have contributed to this conversation are highly qualified professionals, parents, home owners etc. In real life, we would be having this conversation with your mum and dad not with you.

I was at your exact stage in 2006. I am 35 years old now, a husband, a father, a british citizen, a multiple landlord, and can pay your schoolfees comfortably. Infact, i still sponsored my wife's masters degree 2 years ago. Im currently running my own MBA right now. This isn't to brag, but to make a point about thr opportunity the UK has given me personally.

So when I know what is possible, and I'm advising people to do thr needful, I'm not speaking from a theoretical standpoint, asking stupid questions like what happens to the people left behind - You that went to Canada this year, did you pack your whole family in your suitcase?

I'm talking to people who recognise life as an individual race, and are tired of a useless hopeless country holding back their destiny. Those are the people that I'm telling to come over here, to US, to Canada, Germany, etc, because I KNOW I made it, and so they can too.

So when a dissenting voice starts talking about Ekaete abd Abdul or whatever rubbish you were saying, it's very important to post screenshot that shed a little light on the person behind that voice, contextualising it as the voice of a 17 year old child who has no real idea about life.

You're not qualified to enter this discussion bro. Not even in the slightest.

Hian!

Abeg staple justice with mercy o!

obainojazz:
Some people wicked sha

Most People that hate japa were either bounced by a western country or don’t have the means

When somebody said Japa Club was a selfish club i replied that the selfish person is the one that is abroad and is telling others to remain in Nigeria and improve the country while he roams round Alberta, Canada looking for free healthcare card.

The heart of man is deceitful and desperately wicked.

nihilistjnr:
BRUHHH

I think some people just like to write epistles just because they can, not because they actually have anything to say.

Bruv, that is the guy that has been persecuting JCs (Japa Club) like the biblical Saul, innit?

diggz:
Bro... No need for him to look past the myth self. People just dey carry cap unnecessarily for here aswear! All this looking down on jobs, I've arrived mentality/bigman mentality wey most Naija people carry for head like gele when they're still far away, naim dey kill our people pass.

Just last summer, I asked my wife to get someone to come paint the house in UK. First person gave us a quote of £4,500, 5 days to complete the job. Apparently my wife get the contact from one of the neighbours wey paint him house recently for the estate, a Med Dr... and na the amount wey that one pay be that. I quickly tell her say I no get that type money. Second person came back with £3,500 quote, 4 days to complete job. I still shout say I no go fit pay that type money. Las Las... na one East European couple collect £2,000 with abeg, the job took the husband and wife just 2 days to complete.

Abeg convert £2,000 to naira today? £2,000 in 2days for menial Job....

They call them tradies here. Na dem dey cash out. Carpenter, bricklayer, painter, plumber. Those jobs pay between 70k to 80k yearly, which is about 2.5m naira monthly. That is for the average earner not the high earners.
Na for here i first see bricklayer wey dey carry him whole family go holiday for Hawaii.

raumdeuter:
If you talk too much it might be like you are bragging

My deep Yoruba people "A kii toju onika mefa ka"

To each his own

That is how it will end. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

Anti-J gang should leave J-gang to be proclaiming their Japa philosophy, and J-gang too should leave Anti-J gang alone. Everybody's journey in life is different.

ChristineC:
nna is this a sarcastic comment?

Pogba don become Da Vinci Code.

Roland17:
You can see he is going to self destruct, it is sooo easy.

You need to lay off the guy. The victory isn't worth it.

Skimpledawg:
Ah, Doc

Man of God abi i lie?
There is no way you can knack South African based toto from Nigeria, unless you first japa.

Ibime:
You done japa!

The Bible says the heart of man is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked.

Na the guy wey dey knack the wife of the uncle wey help am japa be this na. Have you forgotten?

nihilistjnr:
Who said cost of living in Nigeria is low?

It's in your face here that a civil servant is telling you he doesn't go to work despite being paid a salary, doesn't pay taxes despite being funded by tax payers, illegally taps electricity and doesn't pay for it.
Public services dont work as the public offices are infested with the onyemaairs of this world. It means that you have to generate your own power cos onyemaair leeching off the national grid. You have to pump your own water cos another variant of onyemaair is leeching there as well. You go to a federal hospital for health care and Dr onyemaair is not on seat for days, and in any case they dont even have the drugs you need cos onyemaair didnt pay tax, and senior onyemaair at the top is skimming the funds from junior onyemaair anyway.

I dont know if you have a family, kids, etc. I dont know if you live on your own and run a household, but living expenses relative to earnings in Nigeria are nowhere near cheap.

At least in the UK for example, your tax goes towards providning world class healthcare to you for FREE. Your kids are educated to secondary school level at a very high standard for FREE. Your roads are tarred and well maintained because you pay road tax. They even cut the grass in front of your house for FREE because that's what your council tax is there for.

I don't know who you know that is being choked to death, but sir it aint me.

Put some respek on onyemaaair's name. Na loophole e dey exploit, e no kill person.

Nezzjnr:
Urinating in public and Following One Way

2 icings on the cake.

gustav25:
Little wonder this man is angry at those seeking to escape from this turd world country to a better society
Nobody says Abroad is a bed of roses but with elegant hardwork and self purpose , one can do more.
Your Numero issue with the Jakpa talks is that you feel you are too old to pursue that venture and secondly , you are a corrupt Federal civil servant probably on level 8-10 and you are here basking in all these Ill ways of living.

You are a menace to the society and you are here clamouring for making Nigeria better when you can't even contribute to make the illusion a reality. How does it sound to you that you are proud saying you haven't paid nepa bills for 3 whole years MR ? You are one sick individual. I know for a fact if you had the finance to move your family, you would have but no, you prefer to work in a society that doesn't work because the fear of your corrupt ways would be exposed in the Japa nations.

You are a fraudulent 40 years old man

Abeg Japa gospel is not for lazy people.

onyemaair:
We pay very low taxes in Nigeria. In America my poultry farm would most likely be taxed. My wife's salary is not taxed at all. Mine is deducted from the ministry but my tax is just 15k monthly. But federal government pays emoluments and allowances.

I also don't go to work everyday. The same thing with many of my colleagues. We have a system that covers for each other. I go to work only 3 times in a week.
You can't have such laxity abroad. You will work through your nose.

Lastly let me tell you the icing on the cake, I haven't paid nepa bill in 3 years. Around us we have people that rig the meter, so it doesn't read. When the nepa people come much later, we settle the staff and he goes. This cannot happen in abroad.

You want to stay and develop Nigeria yet you are defrauding NEPA (or PHCN)

And you call it icing on the cake?

nihilistjnr:
I'm not suffering and I don't fit in any of the 3.

The guy said 96% are suffering.

Roland17:
And they are still living in that same America abi?

Roland so na hype you dey hype America?

Godx:
Access to better Health care.......... Do you know how much for ambulance in America? Do you know how much to give birth In America? Just Google it and then come back to me. The prices will kill you.


Education.........Go and check how even after 20yrs after graduation many people are still paying of their students loan.


Quality of living.........This one na pure lie. People that are paying over 30k dollars minimum a year on rent. Baba rest


America na hype job.

Skimpledawg:
I been no dey too gbadu Japa things until my bosom friend we lived together as housemates got married 2019 and Japa'd to Canada with his wife.

Apparently, his wife's family were rich and they sponsored their PR there. Baba started life as a cleaner, then to side-walk cleaner all in Calgary. Now, Baba is working professionally with a reputable Insurance company in Ottawa.

Life don soft for my man. We both did this pastor work together in Portharcourt. Most of the prayers we used to pray about then, he has stopped it. He dey serve God now for real, not because of situational problems or poor working society.

I want an environment where I'd serve God not because my daily bread depends on it, nor situations, but because I truly love God and want to serve him.

True talk. Dollar offering different from Naira offering.

Roland17:
You are watching your prime years fizzle in front of you, na him be your problem.

Now, you are entangled and the idea of Japa causes more frustration for you because e no go easy for you like that again to Japa

Instead of him to delve deeper and research the scenarios he is getting angry and insulting people who are offering good suggestions to him.

Late 30s is not too late to japa. Some people have just given up without knowing they have given up.

onyemaair:
Oga I am angry at the situation of Nigeria. I am indeed very angry about it.
I am a salary earning civil servant in my late thirties.

I do not see a pathway to moving to another country because I am too old for that and I have family members who depend on me.
Shouting at me to japa after every disaster is truly insulting to me. I choose to be optimistic that things will eventually get better. Maybe once the cabal in Nigeria dies off or the young people wake up, then things will indeed get better but for you to be shouting japa at me everytime there is a disaster here when I know I am stuck in this country is indeed insulting to me.
You should also advocate for us to get it right with our leadership or lend opinions that gear towards solving the problem not just to shout japa at a civil servant like me.

If you are in your late 30's you are not too late, especially if you have a degree. If it is something you are interested in you should look into relocating. Canada seems to be the place for now, but avoid the scam visa agents.