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Roland17:
Ayton is betting on himself this season.. These things don't usually end well. I wish him all the best though, he has started the season strongly.

He has the skill set but he plays timid sometimes.
He can get there.

A40:
I get he is not elite but if we take out last season CJ and Portland have lost to teams that should normally beat them. Steph, Harden and most of your faves are turnstiles on defence too

Not that he is not elite but that he is quite poor defensively. The difference in defence is far greater than any perceived difference in offence.

Khanben:
The difference in their defense is marginal? Dude CJ cannot guard a cold, Harden is a better defender than CJ

CJ ‘s defence is also known as the phantom menace

End of lockdown. See as barbershop full like molue.

A40:
Jaylen Brown is not a better facilitator than CJ. The difference in their defense is marginal. It is clear that you simply have no respect for CJ. Brown is not better than him

Bruv, CJ plays phantom defence o.

Roland17:
How about Bernard King's exclusion? Baba, I don't think anyone (maybe I should speak for myself) thinks it's easy. But if Reggie Miller who held different NBA scoring records felt uneasy until he found his name, why should a Dame with only a conference final appearance be on that list? People are going to be left out and that is normal, it's our own work to debate the left outs.

Dwight's exclusion is unacceptable and egregious to be honest! Someone mentioned Tony Parker and I absolutely agree with that argument but again, it takes me back to Dame.. How does Parker miss out but Dame gets in? Dame could have gotten in during the 100th anniversary..Some players that did not make the list during the 50th made the list in the 75th.

Parker is another shout but he played on a loaded team. Duncan, Kwahi, Ginobili are miles better than any team mate Dame ever had. Miles.

Pop is levels above Dame’s coaches.

Not saying Parker is not worth consideration, but just keeping things in context.

Just like the Celtics teams full of Hall of Famers in the 60s and to a lesser extent in the 80s. Separate all those players and maybe some of them don’t make the Hall. Who knows?

P.S Bernard King was relegated to the back pages of history like he never existed. If not for Spike and some OG players younglings would never know about BK from BK. His drug problems surely contributed.

A40:
Lol me na that Unseld I go first comot. It's not about modern era sef cos there were many solid players in the old era that didn't make the list. Alex English is one, Grant Hill etc but there really is not justifiable metric to leave Dwight Howard out that list. That one is unconscionable

I no watch am but I don’t see why Unseld would be on it and Dwight not on.

Generally speaking I don’t see how 75 players get in ahead of Dwight.

These kinds of lists are popularity contests once you go further than the GOAT candidates or record breaking stat padders/title winners.

You people are thinking it should be easy to choose the list maybe cos subconsciously you are thinking mainly of current or modern players.

By the time they start adding Cousy, Maravich, Unseld, Lucas and other immovable players as well as the usual suspects you recognise just how hard it is.

KNIGHTBlaed:
No one is disrespecting Dame. His name don dey the list, we no fit remove am. We are only saying that if he deserves to be on the list, then Kyrie also deserves to be on that list.
What has Dame done to be on that list? I still see nothing from all the write ups here.
What has AD done to be on the list when Dwight is not there? AD won a ring with Bron....... So has Kyrie, simple..

It is what it is, but we just dey talk am as e be. I'll put Klay on that list over Dame

You just mixed everything up like concoction.



It is a finite list. Everybody can’t make it. Some people will be snubbed but heaven does not have to fall.

The person that should be shedding tears is Dwight Howard. That is the real disrespect.

Defensive beast. Multiple DPOY. Led his team to the finals.

AD in my opinion is overrated anyway. Probably because he is the best American big man around.
The guy is as soft as wet tissue.

P.S I don’t mind your Klay pick. Apart from his scoring he also plays quality defence which should not be overlooked.

Roland17:
Show me Dame's post season stats let me check something abeg!

Don't even go too far, show me his stats in the sweeps against the Pelicans and the Warriors, make I leave the Grizzlies. Ain't nothing wrong with getting swept but choking and not showing up consistently in those series? Come on man!

Hehehe. I will answer your multiple questions but you should answer my ONE question first na. After all I asked you first. Don’t do like patrick abeg.

Roland17:
You can not turn this amala.. I won't..

How did you go from list one other All Star apart from Melo to this?

Kyrie had a loaded team in the Celtics they say! Oh yea.. You mean after Hayward had the freak injury? We got to the conference finals without Kyrie but do you realize we would have gotten to the finals if Kyrie was not injured? Do you care to remind us he was having an MVP caliber season before he went down injured? I bleed Green and like many other Celtics we knew we were a Kyrie away from a finals appearance. Maybe that is why many Celtic fans are upset with Kyrie.

What was your record with Kyrie and your record without him. I want to check something real quick.

Roland17:
Abeg if you get that Beyonce tape, no waste time abeg

If Dame was not on that list, I probably won't be as bothered, that's the difference. What success are we speaking about here? The sweep by the Pelicans is one, how about the 1-4 1st round loss to the Grizzlies led by Mike Conley? Freaking Mike Conley! The manner of loss considering the roster is what makes it even more difficult to accept. We are talking about 5 1st round losses with sweeps and gentleman sweeps. In 2019, despite the depth of his roster, they needed a bubble play-in to make it into the post-season.

It is on this thread, my paddy @A40 holds a strong line about Harden choking (a good argument on his part I must add) in the post season but we should excuse Dame for repeated choke jobs? How about AD? It is on this thread, AD committed a capital sin for not taking the Pelicans farther than he did with the scrubs he played with but I am supposed to excuse the sweeps, gentleman sweeps, bad losses and 1st round exits despite having a competitive roster.

Naaaaa. It doesn't work that way.

What I am seeing is that you are the one disrespecting Dame. You gloss over his achievements. Imagine saying “ Apart from the Western Conference finals”.

But then you focus on his mistakes while glossing over Kyrie’s. Kyrie has not had any winning without Lebron in this league despite playing in the weaker conference all his life.

Weak teams line the Raptors, 76ers, dysfunctional Pistons, and unserious Nets were keeping him bottom of the conference pre-Lebron.

Dame has a higher scoring average, higher rebounds average, higher assist average. Dame is a better leader.

Dame has gotten to a conference finals as the best player in a team. Something Kyrie can only ever dream of. I feel confident in saying probably something Kyrie would never do.

You can make an argument for Kyrie (which I will disagree with) but not this outrage you are trying to propagate. This is not Dominique not making the Top 50 list.

Roland17:
In the same post I referred to LeBum as a generational talent but of course you are in a haste so you focus on the name..Nothing to see there..

Since Dame got drafted in 2012 this is his Playoff Record
2012/2013- Missed the playoffs
2013/2014- Got to the conference semi finals
2014/2015- Lost in the 1st round to the Grizzlies
2015/2016- Semi Finals
2016/2017-Swept in the 1st round
2017/2018-Swept by the freaking Pelicans in the 1st round
2018/2019-Swept in the Conference Finals
2019/2020-Gentleman sweep in the first round
2020/2021-1st round loss.

In 9 years he has been in the post season, he has missed the play offs once, lost in the first round 5 times, including losses to the Grizzlies and Pelicans including sweeps. Show me the players Kyrie played with during his time alone with the Cavs and I will show you the All Stars Dame has been playing with since he got drafted into the league. LeBum could not win with those cats na Kyrie go come win with WHO? Show me the studs on that roster from 2011 when he was drafted to 2014 when LeBum returned with a deeper roster.

Make una just stop the hate. I have not seen any facts here.. All I am reading na just hate because of his personality. He refuse vaccination, he is stubborn, he thinks he is smarter than others, he says the earth is flat, the list is endless but the fact remains there is no 2016 title without him. He was no scrub! Despite his history with injuries he has more individual accolades than Dame. We saw Dame in the Olympics, he began as a starter but we all know what happened after 2 games..

I don’t hate Kyrie. I am just addressing the false outrage that you are trying to push that him missing out on this Top 75 is one big deal.

I can see how you are focusing on Dame’s shortcomings. Can you tell me what Kyrie did in any team that didn’t have Lebron? And this was in an Eastern conference that everyone acknowledged was weaker than the West at that time.

There is no hate from side. Maybe you are mixing me up with others. And if you can show where I called him a scrub I will forward you Beyoncé’s sexy tape.

He is a very good player in a league full of very good players, both now and historically. Not making the Top 75 list does not make him a scrub. But forming Jihad over it is an overreaction.

Dame has led a franchise to some success in this league. Every time Kyrie was the leader he gave us a bottle job.

Dame lost in the playoffs to the Warriors THREE times and the Spurs once.
He beat the Spurs and the Clippers.
The Pelican defeat is indeed a black mark against him but we need to analyse the Eastern conference teams that kept Kyrie in the lottery also.

There should be no outrage that Kyrie didn’t make this list. It is a subjective list and he is not definitively better than others that made it.

It is so hard to be sure of your position on this list that when Reggie Miller made the list he was very shocked.

Roland17:
Again, this is not a debate about off court issues.. If this was about off the court issue many of the guys on that list will not make it. Speaking about achievements, remind me again what LeBum achieved on his own with the Cavs? He made All Star and First team appearances but did lead the Cavs to the Championship?
You have a point about availability but I am sorry I will not allow you or anyone underrate Kyrie's influence/ impact in the Championship winning team in Cleveland. If it was that easy, LeBum will not take his talents to Miami and KD will not leave OKC for the Warriors and the merry go round...Despite his injuries, Kyrie has more individual achievements than Dame so what's the deal?
The expectation is that Dame will win a Championship with a generational talent like LeBum if he combined so what's all the hate on Kyrie?
OUTSIDE OF THE CONFERENCE FINAL APPEARANCE, SHOW ME DAME's PLAYOFFs RECORD! He has never scrubs as team mates since he became an all start so what are talking about here? We are talking about multiple 1st round exits and play-in situations.

1) Show me Kyrie’s conference final appearance outside of his attachment to Lebron

2) Show me Kyrie’s scoring, rebound, assist averages compared to Dame

3) Explain how Kyrie not making Top 75 is blasphemous when he has never led a team to a single conference finals but was leading his team to back to back lottery picks.

Dame and Kyrie comparison is close enough (and I would pick Dame) for any outrage about Kyrie being cheated to be called out as B.S.

You are calling Lebron Lebum but are expressing outrage that Kyrie was disrespected. The irony.

Roland17:
Dame Lillard made it but Kyrie was snubbed? I find that unacceptable..

What has Kyrie achieved without Lebron.

Dame has led a team to the Conference finals. He scores more, rebounds better, and assists more than Kyrie. And he is rarely unavailable due to injury or brain touch.

He is also vaxxed and doesn’t think the world is flat.

If it was a Top 75 of street ballers or AND1 ballers sure Kyrie will be on the list.

Kyrie was leading the Cavs to the lottery every season until Lebron came to save his ungrateful ass.

Jodera:
Jaap Stam of man u compared to Vidic?
No man u fan will claim Jaap Stam in EPL was greater or better than Vidic in EPL

Someone who is arguably not even top 5 man u greatest defenders will now be in EPL greatest defenders?

Bros calm down!

The only argument against Jaap Stam is longevity. Jaap Stam's 3 years in the EPL stands up against any other defender in EPL history.

3 years. 3 EPL titles. 3 PFA Team of the Year. 2 UEFA Champions League Best Defender. 1 UEFA Champions League Title.

He is in United's Top 5 EPL defenders. No question.

Then technically he had no weakness. He could pass the ball and he was as strong as the strongest of those other EPL great defenders and as fast as the fastest of them as well, and was also dominant in the air. Although for some reason Kanu gave him problems.

Vidic and Rio had each other. Terry and Carvalho had each other. Had Stam played alongside another great defender and had he stayed for longer he probably would be the obvious choice for EPL best defender.

patrickmuf:
Damn!

Carragher is spot on...

It’s not rocket science na. We have said here as well.

Speaking like a politician all the time. No single tactical element to his interviews.

qreem231:
Eruobodo bawo egbon
How do you come up with these names

Na Leyqute give them that name o. I even tried for them because he added Yemoja to it.

The guy dey very wicked.

patrickmuf:
It's about the person that I quoted...

Is the Europa league now of importance? No be the same trophy wey them dey trash here?

You didn't quote anybody chief.

Whether it is Europa league, Osupa leagueor even Yoruba league does not matter. A team like Roma should not lose to Eruobodo F.C in that scandalous fashion.
Nothing concern Amaka with this one.

patrickmuf:
Is it love for Ole or hate for Mou?

Forget love or hate.

He lost 6-1 to Eruobodo FC.

Nothing concern Amaka with this one.

handelex:
Lol, first of all gut feeling.

Also Sancho's still finding his feet which when he does he'll be devastating...

Greenwood is not a winger, for me doesn't offer much in that RW, no width, no crosses, just cut and shoot.

Sancho I believe can address all that when he kicks on

You have a point. Let’s see how things develop. Hopefully the competition brings out the best in both of them.

This man has to leave before he wastes the most promising set of youngsters we have had since the class of 92.

handelex:
Sancho will displace Greenwood from the starting 11, it's just a matter of time.

Why do you think so?

CapitalCee:
Your earlier comment was clear, a loss yesterday and we will need to at least win 2 and draw 1 of the remaining matches. With this now if we avoid defeat in all the matches we are through or We just needed to draw 1 of Atalanta or Villareal and win Young boys at home.

Yes. And i meant 1 win. What the Glazers should do is get a top class manager. At this stage it does not even matter if we win matches or not. Once you know your manager is not top quality you need to upgrade.

Mrviktor:
Win... Loose or draw qualification was not guaranteed.

Last season taught that

I never said qualification was guaranteed. Losing however would have made qualification so much harder. We would have had 1 win with away games to Atalanta and Villareal still to come.

Ronaldo was desperate yesterday. He realised that a loss was going to probably seal Europa league qualification for us.

nitrogen:
Nice one Bruno, the second half was really good.

But why are these players like this na? Nawa o, I want this guy gone ASAP.

These come back wins are worse than outright wins. They can cause support for Amaka to actually increase amongst some naive fans.

Oasis007:
Wasn't in the Mood to praise or seeing any Player gets praised in the first Half. He did great in the 2nd Half, coz his Assists count.

You were angry that we were losing in the first half so you couldn't appreciate Bruno. You are angry that we won because you want the fraud gone.

Choose one jihad to fight na.

Oasis007:
Wasn't in the Mood to praise or seeing any Player gets praised in the first Half. He did great in the 2nd Half, coz his Assists count.

It was not praise. It was just analysis. Those that were watching the game with unbiased mind noted that he had been playing well, those with hatred in their hearts so it as praise. This is not the first time that people have commented on a player's performance in game.

He was also good in the first half, just that the players converted his 2nd half passes. The chances he created in the first half were as good. It is not up to him to convert the chances he created for others.

A40:
Hehehe.When I dey talk am here say Bruno na ghost when match don tie wrapper I be like drunken master

This didn't age well.

Oasis007:
Only God knows what most of you smoke before going to viewing Centre. Best what?!

If you say one thing positive about Bruno nobody will arrest you. You didn't see how our players were lining up to miss the 1v1 chances he created for them in the first half?

He created 9 goal scoring chances today including several clear cut ones.

TrebleChamp:
You and your subtle jabs

A solid jab is the foundation of any solid pugilist.

ChristoBam:
I was just about to say this. I think Greenwood is more talented. But due to a lot of factors. Foden is better now. He has added a lot to his game due to him being coached and nutured by one of the best.

As for Greenwood, I don't see any improvement in his play apart from he's more confident. He's still the cut in and try a shot with both feet guy.

His hold up play and ability to link passes have improved, as has his ability to switch play with long passes. His confidence and accuracy with his right foot has actually diminished. He scored as many with his right foot as he did with his left foot in the youth team including free kicks but now he favors his left significantly.