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chrisley024: He said it's false

No wahala there are enough matches between now and January for Vidal and Strootman to prove their fitness.
I have a feeling Strootman would be the main target come January though although we could go for Vidal too if Carrick,Fletcher,Anderson continue to under-perform.

IYANGBALI: sori I no fit date chelshit fan

Wait o, is that your picture?
Bia neba we need to have this intercourse, SORRY discourse in camera

LOL this thread is becoming more interesting. Yesterday it was Jagielka better than Terry argument today it is another one.

coogar: dayo, you are hurting your credibility with this argument. now is the time to quit.

this was the standard formation until the late 60s when pele was active. pele retired in 71.

[img]http://footballspeak.com/image.axd?picture=2012%2F4%2F235-football-formation.jpg[/img]

Brazil did not play that formation during Pele's time. They played 4-2-4 during Pele's era and especially at the 58 and 70 world cups. They were the ones who sent the 2-3-5 and W M formations to the grave

Chelsea
City
United
Liverpool
Arsenal

Nihilist: Me 3!

LOL
U don come back from pub already?

coogar: the forces of demand & supply didn't play any role. looking at all the articles i have read, city deliberately sold at a loss to get him off their club. they were prepared to do anything to get ade off their books - that's their prerogative - they are rich & that loss was nothing to them.

ade's transfer deal is an anomaly!
no trader willingly sells at a loss - whatever the real truth in ade's transfer is between city & spurs. all i know is, it's not a straight forward deal. i couldn't find any article on ade's loan deal with spurs before the contract was made permanent - maybe that would shed more light to why city would be paying £95,000 per week to a player they announced they have sold.

Because Adebayor could have refused to leave in theory if his usual wages were not guaranteed at Spurs.
City might have then had to pay him 17.6m pounds for doing nothing.....a loss of 17m pounds
But by selling him for 9 million pounds and paying compensation they limited their potential loss in the whole deal

raumdeuter: Exactly.

Several forces affect transfer fees and player wage is the least of it.

Elampiro see as I dey support you today by next week if I oppose you, make you no cry wolf o

Elampiro see me too o
Tomorrow now no go cry say ayagayagayo o!
For this one we dey support u o

coogar: the contract is a sham!
perhaps because city were ready to get rid, they willingly coughed out the difference. if it was more of the buying club more interested than city were willing to get rid, this wouldn't even occur.

city are still paying ade what they woulda paid him if he was still with them + £5m they received from spurs - that's not your normal transfer deal.

Manchester City sold a player whose contract was worth 17.6 million pounds for less than 9 million pounds . This nullifies your theory.
The party who is concerned about the value of the remaining contract (i.e salary) is THE PLAYER not the selling club. That is why players can refuse to move to another club for less pay e.g Adebayor and of course the infamous Winston Bogarde.
If a player refuses to take a pay cut then the selling club has to augment the salary being offered by the buying club (that is if they are desperate to release the player). OR they could just allow him continue collecting salary for nothing the way Bogarde did.

Adebayor's remaining contract was worth 17.6 m pounds so according to Coogar's theory City should have made at least 17.6 m pounds from his sale.
However City sold him for 9 million( or 5 million) pounds to Spurs and still paid compensation to him. It means City made 9 million minus whatever money they paid Adebayor as compensation.
However you calculate it Manchester City made less than 9 million pounds on selling a player whose contract was worth 17.6 million pounds

The fact that Man City were still paying part of Adebayor's salary despite selling him for a fraction of his contract worth means they were making even more of a loss on selling him. That nullifies your argument Coogar.
A selling club does not have to recoup the worth of a player's contract when selling.......If you factor in Adebayor's transfer fee and factor in the salary still being paid by City they made a loss not a profit

Deiok: My thought exactly. i just hope we start getting result from next game upward. We cant afford to be 10 points behind. Although i am still having a bit of doubt about adnan, who i think is just being naive, hope he get is acts together.

When he plays as part of a quality team with great players around him he will improve. The problem was that whenever he took to the field there was too much pressure on him to deliver the goods cos the other players like nani,valencia,young were so fecal. Now with an improved team and the coaching of LVG he will play freely and not try to do it all

Deiok: Heheheh... I would prefer coaster .
Seriously bro i would be very happy to see refeal fully back and fit. And also i think adnan should concentrate more on being a RW player than trying to play everywhere at the end plays nothing. We already have di maria on the left, i dont think it will be healthy if he tries to compete with him there, while we dont realy have a nice RW player.

Yes i agree with you on Adnan, that is why i have him in my 4-2-3-1 playing on the wing. Adnan and Di Maria playing the wings at the same time will open up the middle for our no 9 and no 10 cos both of them (Adnan and Di Maria) would require double teaming most of the time.

Deiok: trust me young will never make any decent cross in from the right, he rather try some silly tricks, like pulling a shot wide from a corner which obviously will be impossible to score from. Or make a cross which will be out of the reach of every plater in the box. Atleast val. Have one assist already this season.


some times all a team need is a throw in and set pieces. The problem is we dont have good setpiece taker, unlike athl. Madrid who will punish you with a corner kicks, if you let them get up to three.
Our last game val got us more than four corners, and we were not able to capitalize on any of it.



this alone is enough reason why i prefer valencia > youngy.

My point is i prefer Valencia as substitute RB but Young as substitute RW. Neither of them is good enough to start for Manchester United and the day both of them leave the club i will buy every fan on this thread Okin biscuit.

Deiok: That is never going to happen. Even if young grows additional pair of legs.

LOL.
Honestly as much as i criticize Young, for the mere fact that Valencia always hits the legs of his markers with his cross i would prefer Young on this team AS LONG AS HE IS ON THE RIGHT. At least on the right he makes decent runs and crosses( better than Valencia) rather than on the left where he just cuts back and launches an aimless in sw.inger.

Valencia is a winger who wins only throw-ins, we do not need his type at this moment i believe.

However as a deputy for Rafael in defense i would prefer Valencia to Young cos i believe he is a better defender.

coogar: why does everyone think jones would be the preferred centre-half & not blackett? LVG seems to like blackett & the young lad has barely put a foot wrong apart from letting bony take a quick freekick that led to swansea's winner at OT.

jones might cop some bench-time. van gaal wouldn't like his rush-of-blood football. he's very good on the ball though - he's better than smalling in that aspect. the current evans is shyte - hopefully, international football would remove some of the rustiness in him.

I believe it would be a right footed center half and a left footed one cos LVG always likes balance. So it is Rojo v Blackett v Evans for one spot(LCB) and then Jones v Smalling v Evans for the RCB. LB will be Shaw v Rojo v Blackett.
Evans has regressed badly over the last season,he has zero confidence.

coogar: no rooney & RVP?

carrick & blind would be the pivot if anything. di maria would be at the tip of them.....the front 3 would be falcao + RVP + rooney/mata.

We need either pace or width in attack. Going with Falcao,Rooney,RVP,Mata offers neither. We just kicking around ideas here though.
My personal best formation would be a 4-2-3-1 formation that offers maximum protection to our weak defense and gives us pace and width on the flanks like this....

--------------------de gea--------------------

-----rafael-----jones-----rojo-------shaw-----

----------carrick------------blind-------------

----adnan---------herrera---------di maria-----

-----------------falcao------------------------

Summary is this. The only way Rooney or RVP should start is if we are playing 2 strikers.....NEITHER ROONEY NOR RVP CAN PLAY ON THE WINGS AGAIN. Mata can not play on the wings either and without a VERY SOLID central midfield behind him Mata is useless as a 10.

------------------de gea-------------------

---rafael------jones----rojo-----shaw------

------------------carrick-------------------

---------herrera----------blind--------------

-----------------mata-----------------------

-------------falcao------di maria---------------

MrTA: Not a fan of Rooney in the number 10 but these are some preferred 11s from me. Sorry about the size.

All are decent line ups.

The potential problem in the 1st line up is Mata. Are Blind and Herrera dynamic enough to give Mata a solid platform behind him?
Di Maria wide is a good move cos it would be wise to place him in as attacking a position as possible in order to cause damage to the opposition.

The 2nd line up is another good one. I like the diamond formation although i hope our new expensive toy does not get hurt with the daily grind of the EPL midfield season. I believe we will get width from our overlapping FULL BACKS with Di Maria and Herrera helping out on the flanks when needed. When under pressure, Di Maria and Herrera will push into the middle to help Blind block the passing lanes.

3rd line up could be useful when there is no pressure on us in midfield against teams we have under the cosh. Rooney can only thrive as a no 10 only in low pressure situations. His first touch,agility and short passing leave a lot to be desired.

raumdeuter: Do you have any evidence that contradicts that in Germany vs Argentina meet ups. One country has been vastly more successful in tournaments while the other has been more successful in friendlies

Do u have evidence that Germany has never lost to Argentina in any tournament?
Remember you listed 1990,2010 etc as examples of Germany's victories.

raumdeuter: The argument here is that the Germans win when its important i.e in Major tournaments while the Argentines have the significant upper hand in inconsequential friendlies

With stats and evidence to back it up

Lets know if you have a contrary opinion

My point is that you falsified your evidence and records.
You were arguing Argie v Germany with Coogar not me

raumdeuter: How many generations of Argentines have Germany ended their world cup hopes?

From Cannigia in 1990 to Riquelme and Ayala in 2006 to Tevez in 2010 to Higuain, Messi and Aguero 2014

How many generations of Argentines have had their career hopes of a world cup dashed

Lol what is the argument here? I have no horse in this race, i was only correcting you highly erroneous assertion

bykebyke: Greece

LOL una no go kill person.
How DK could have forgotten that Maradona and his boys ensured Schumacher and Rummenigge ended their playing careers without a World Cup title is beyond me.

coogar: it seems you find it difficult to cope with logic. united have won the ICC & they can still win their league.

none of the top 4 teams in england can ever win the ICC as united have already won it. all the top 4 teams have about the same chance as united to win the league.

in every way, united chose the best time to be strong.



i thought you said germany have never lost to argentina in a tournament. are you going to withdraw that statement now? do you feel embarrassed that you perpetually get decapitated anytime you bring your uninformed self to the united thread?



by now, you should know i hate it when you don't call a spade what it is. that last sentence should be rephrased to

"either way, dayokanu is a plonker"

LOL.
It is sad to see DK one of the most insightful guys on this forum reduced to a troll. Dayo wake up from your slumber! You are still good peoples

raumdeuter: Since 1986, Its been 4 world cup knockouts for the gauchos while they keep piling up useless friendly wins

In 1986 It was Argentina 2 Germany 2 in World cup wins

Now its 2-4. 2 of the German wins were vs Argentina

Let them continue winning the friendlies

I was just highlighting the lie you told when you said Germany had never lost to Argentina in a tournament. It is either you lied blatantly or you typed without thinking things through. Either way YOU TALK TOO MUCH

raumdeuter: No one cares about a friendly except losers like Manure while everyone cares about a world cup final

Germany have never lost to Argentina in a tournament and they have met in 1990, 2006, 2010, 2014 (All World cup knockout stages)

While Argentina have never lost to Germany is in friendly be it tonight, August 2010, March 2010, or April 2002

Go figure

One team has 5 World cup medals the other has 2

Chelsea that struggled vs Wolfsburger and lost to average Werder Bremen is sitting on top of the league, Manure that won ICC is currently 14th on the table

Go figure

Who did Argentina beat in 1986 World Cup Final?

Let us not get too carried away.
We have to pray for good fortune with injuries, the new players to gel quickly with the old players and for the manager to put these players in the best position for success.
We have good players now, we do not have a good team yet.

Falcao is right footed, just that when he has a goal scoring chance he no dey look twice or think even once....he dey light the ball with whichever foot near ball past. That was the pre knee injury Falcao.......let us see if he has still got it.

MrTA: Welbeck

LOL. i remember one of my old club packs that came with a DVD i think it was the 2002 edition. It had a group of children being trained by United coaches. One of them was Danny Welbeck, he must have been 11yrs old. As a real United fan himself and a truly home grown kid i have always rooted for him.
Ironically the special guest at training that day was Ruud Van Nistelrooy, although he was shown teaching them the Cruyff turn(would have been better had he thought Danny Boy how to shoot )

LOL now we have Falcao everybody is coming out to malign Rooney .
It is not a sin to to score via penalty na, and there is NOBODY that scores in every match. We should just hope and pray that the new world class additions galvanize the whole squad to put in more effort and play better

chrisley024: He should be paired with Falcao and used like Robben was in WC while Rooney/Mata plays behind them.

..............................DDG................................

....Jones......Smalling/Evans.......Rojo/Blackett

Rafael/Val...Blind/Carrick...Herrera/Fletcher.....Shaw/Young

......................Rooney/Mata......................

.....Di maria/Januzaj......Falcao/RVP.....

We'll have a problem with defending when off the ball if we try to start all our top players in a match. Everyone should earn his place.

I agree with this.

elampiro: The midfield can dominate. It's akin to midfield of Alonso, Modric and Di Maria at Madrid last season. Th only problem will be winning the ball back. There's where Herrera or Rooney can fill I for Mata.

I would have suggested RVP goes to the wing but he's finished there. And to think that's his natural position. How bad things can be.

It is not similar. Remove Mata from your midfield and put Herrera and you can play that midfield i.e Blind,Di Maria and Herrera. I don't think you realize how lazy and useless Mata is playing in midfield. He can't tackle, can't close down, can't track back,has no real pace with or without the ball.He is overdependent on his pass.

As per the attack, just forget it. There is no way Falcao is being shifted to the left or right to allow RVP or Rooney play centrally. If they can't play wide or behind him they might have to find a cool seat on the bench.