patches689:


1. Citations please.
1a. Why did Algeria buy a fraudulent product?

2. Metaphor is still alluding you?

1. Algeria trusted Denel, but now they know Denel is a liar.

2. That dullard BEE submarine commander does not know what a metaphor means.

snydergp1st:
How many times will you post that old shiiit, taking pics with model subs to fool m.o.ro.nic brainless viillage i.dio.ts like you is all commanders do daily. Tell BARIE BUHARI hes commanders need to up their game and pose with model air craft carriers next time.

How many times have South Africans posted project Biro?

patches689:


And we build some of the most advanced military equipment in the world.

And you build the most 'TARGET MISSING' military equipment in the world

snydergp1st:
really show me 1 torpedo currently in service in NAN.

NN has dozens of Torpedoes In reserve. NNS Aradu undergoing refit any moment from now.

patches689:


1. The ship was closer to you AND SAILED INTO YOUR WATERS

2. Yet we train with the indians every year and you do not

Grow up

1. The European ship hijacked in Angolan waters was in your backyard SADC region, the deadness and uselessness of SANF navy allowed it to escape from SADC to ECOWAS where Nigeria intercepted the pirates after Angola cried to Nigerian navy for help. Valour corvettes and Heroine submarines could not catch just one pirate ship in your own backyard of Angolan waters.

2. CITATION NEEDED !!!

Your SAN does not train with India every year, they invited you for a one week training this year NOT every year you liar !!! Nigerian navy SF are training with Indian navy SF and our navy has been asked to make our big ships, air drones, and incoming sea drones available to help India when they call us for many years ahead. Long term joint agreement is what we have, but one week visiting visa is all that India gave you, because that is all SAN is worth.

africaken254:
Algeria air force upgraded Mi-26T2

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKjatx2KzmQ&feature=youtu.be

Oil money well spent. Best equipped and most modern military in Africa. Will never join the fight in Somalia, what a pity.

Pic....Algerian army anti-land mine team

lionel4power:
saw this online....

photoshopped image

FighterPilot:


Are you dreaming? SA Navys presidential class frigates had ASW and even Our valours have ASW and we Aldo have airborne ASW.

Stop lying. Valour ships have ZERO torpedoes and Supe Lynx helicopters have NO sonar. South African navy has never got any ASW in its history, only Nigeria has it in black Africa.

FighterPilot:



I guess the Indians know better that Southern Africa is safe and the only troubled region is west Africa where pirates walk in the park for as long they like. They had no choice but to ask Nigeria to stop their people from feasting on Indian nationals. As it comes to us they know their citizens are safe.

Angola in your regional backyard had s ship hijacked in your SADC region, no navy including yours was able to stop the pirates till they reached Ghana. It was Nigerian navy that eventually stopped and bursted the pirates that came from Angola.

There is piracy in the Indian ocean between India and Mozambique channel. South African navy is not able to project force up the Indian ocean. LOL...last year was the year SAN was boasted of as being ready to start patrolling from SADC region up to ECOWAS region...LOL....we don't see any canoe from South African navy, talk less of warship.

chkil:


The Su-34 not need Su-30 escort , he has a good air -air system , a 360° radar , can take all type of missile air-air , air groud , air sea , pods ect ... , can be configurat for Electronic warfare and reco and had a cockpit armour (17 mm ) , and he can take the P-800 Oniks missile (SS-N-26 Strobile) and have 4000 km Ferry range without reflueling !

the su 34 fighter-bomber is designed for tactical deployment against air, ground and naval targets (including small and mobile targets) on solo and group missions in daytime and at night, under favourable and adverse weather conditions and in a hostile environment with counter-fire and EW counter-measures deployed, as well as for air reconnaissance

to read


also for manoeuvrability the su 34 have the same base as the Su 30 , the su 27 so he has good maneivrability it's not the same as su 24 serie
see this videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btxsJlm8cFg

and for radar you forget that max detection range 400 km is not the same as engagement range and not to the same for air targets , sea targets and ground targets , and changes depending on the target size , Bars radar N011M has a maximum search range of 400 km for big air targets and a tracking range of 200 km but in ground The N011 is capable of detecting the group of tanks target to a maximum range of 40–50 km only the same for the Zhuk ae radar

there is no aircraft who had a chance again the S 300 system and S 400 witch is a complete and complexe system with many units and mobile


and to finish if he wasn't good russian army will not command more of it or use it with the su 30 SM in syria georgia , algeria who have the Su 30 mka, the su 30 sm are comming and the upgraded su 24 , have ordered 12 aircraft su 34 in this january so i think the su 34 give some adventage and have particular use .

Sorry, many wrong information in your above comment, your source is a YouTube video made for marketing purpose is not a reliable source of real life technical information, my source is Sukhoi official website technical data sheet and Australian defence scientists research website on the Su-34 fulllback and Su-30SM.

Su-34 has no 360° radar, it has front nose and rear tail radars, but still several blind spots especially on the left/right wing sides. Su-30 MKI has front and rear radars too. Only AWAC with roof mounted rotating radar can give 360° coverage.

Su-34 has good agility but NO supermaneuverability according to the Sukhoi company/manufacturer, you will never find a video of Su-34 flying cobra motion or any form of supermaneuverability like the Su-30.

Su-34 needs escort, it has no IRST and OLS systems to detect a stealth jet like F-22 at WVR-BVR or stealthy jet like Rafale at extended BVR. Su-34 will be shöt down from 150 km away by Rafale Meteor BRVAAM, only the Su-30 can counter Rafale with Novator BVRAAM.

I didnt say Su-30 will fire Oniks missile at 400 km, the Oniks range is 300 km, and with a 400 km radar the Su-30 will detect large S-400 SAM batteries at 400 km because the S-400 is a SAM and is emitting radar into the air !!! You forgot that, right?

Su-30 can then launch Oniks air to surface. S-400 is not invincible when it meets its match. Max range of S-400 is 250 km and it should worry about threat from a supersonic speed Oniks air to surface missile that has advanced ECM and ECCM capabilities.

Oniks is configured for Su-30, we have not heard any info that Su-34 is getting it. If we think of configuring Oniks on Su-34, then we can also think of configuring Su-34 ECM on the Su-30 SM.

Pic.....Ugandan Flanker

chkil:
Special force of Tunisian Army and police

Why is almost every Tunisian special forces man over 6 feet tall?

iblawi:

Baba, soon they will soon start using their Valour frigates for fishing and they will tell you it's economically viable.

You now see why the Indian navy bypassed them in Cape Town/Simons Town and sailed all the way up to Lagos to sign long term agreement asking for constant help from Nigerian navy to give India maritime security in the Atlantic ocean. We already delivered on that agreement within one month of signing !!!

Indian governement minister in photo below, called Nigerian navy to rescue hijacked Indian ship, NN vessels speed to search, find, and intercept hijacked ship....gun battle between navy riflemen with pirates, one pirate ends up in bady bag. (South Africa's inexperienced and half illiterate navy has not grown beyond making photos and armed forces day parades )

NN force projection in action, truly useful navy !!!

http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/10-indian-crew-members-rescued-from-ship-hijacked-off-african-coast-1279748

[size=15pt]Indian governement phones Nigerian navy for help after hijack !!!

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snydergp1st:
that answer is simple because Nigeria will never have one.

The simple answer is because Nigeria is the only country in Sub-Saharan Africa with both airborne and seaborne anti-submarine warfare capabilities, even South Africa has never got any ASW capability in its history.

snydergp1st:
that answer is simple because Nigeria will never have one.

Nigeria is already planning to buy Submarine from China when the time comes.

Henry240:
This is what happens when you fill up your military with half-illiterate Zulus. Dumb Zulus everywhere!




If you were wondering why
South Africa has submarines, its because "we want to scare
away sharks in the rivers and oceans" says this SA Navy
Commander.


At 2:20 in the clip, the stup1d commander says this,
"when a submarine is down there, no one can detect
that".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8_fMKy-HrE

South Africa, a country of genetic möröns who cannot shoöt even a computer guided missile on target, now they don't know how to explain the use of their own submarine, a whole SAN naval officer !!!

See the type of sailors that want to sail submarine into Nigerian waters, then snorkel and hope to survive, LOL....a Soweto born dullard navy commander wants to sink Nigerian navy in Nigeria's multiple long range radar and TV camera 24 hours day and night monitored EEZ with new Falcon Eye surveillance power.

Truly, South Africans have t!he second dullest brains on this planet, the W.E.F. research report is 100% correct o !

These guys will be beaten by Angola in a war. Even Zimbabwe will waste SANDF. Don't even say Nigeria because we will delete South Africa from world map.

jln115:

NATO and German fleets could not detect our subs.

If your sub fires torpedo it will surely miss target like your helicopter misses easy target.

croat:
Hello, I stumbled upon this forum and read last 10 pages or so, I am not surprised that there is toxic behaviour involving the subject and even less with amount of ignorance.

I am not surprised that few users are spreading misinformation about south africa and Denel as they take advantage of ignorance of others like in most african countries is done to their citizens and as with big corporations do and try to do around the world, best way to confront misinformation is with truthful information/facts.

It is true that 9M133 Kornet has a maximum range of 10 kilometers, but that is for variant with thermobaric warhead which is used against infrantry while anti-tank variant has a range of 8 kilometers which are both E/EM while Mokopa which is anti-tank has a maximum range of 10 kilometers which far exceeds original Kornet's range of 5.5 kilometers and not E/EM series. E/EM series are newer than Mokopa.

Mokopa missed targat at 8km, you are still boasting about 10km range, are you mäd?

Hellfire ATGM has 11 km range and LAHAT ATGM has 8 km range with pim point accuracy. You must likely be one of the old Southies here who have run away into hiding since SAAF Gripen + Rooivalk + Mokopa all combined together to miss an easy target to disgrace South African military capability, now you created a new Nairaland user ID name/Monicker calling yourself Croat...fool, shame has made you change your name....maybe you have even started beating your wife at home in anger because SANDF disgraced your Rainbow nation after all these years of boasting on internet.

Henry240:


Buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.........





Agaugust, can you tell us the "stupidest" thing you heard all your life?



I want to shock you.

Tell me boss, tell me, what is it?

iblawi:


till we have confirmed order from Russia.

JF17 + SU34 will be better option for Nigeria currently but the need for SU30 or SU35 will soon be felt.

Su-30 SM is officially a multi-role fighter for air to air, air to land, air to sea combat all combined, just that it has extras for air superiority like IRST, supermaneuverability, TV camera air optimsed but ground capable. Only Henry keeps calling it air superiority.

Su-34 Fullback is a strike fighter that can also fight in the air to defend itself to a limit, it has extras for air to ground strike like more jammers against enemy air defence, better low ground level NOE flight, TV camera ground optimised but air capable.

However,

Su-34 has no super-maneuverability for close range dogfight, yet it wants to penetrate deep into enemy territory where enemy air superiority jets will rise up to intercept it before it can strike them. It cannot match the superior air maneuverability of Rafale, MiG-29 OVT, F-18 Hornet, F-15E, Su-27, Su-30. When war comes, Su-34 will be begging Su-30 to please escort them into enemy territory or they get shöt down like their Su-24 junior brother of Russian air force that was eaten for breakfast by F-16 of Turkish air force in Syrian war three months ago.

Su-34 has no IRST to detect and fight against stealth jets like F-22 Raptor or stealthy jets hard to detect like Rafale. Hëll, one French Rafale in Chad will intercept and wreck three Su-34 together with one blöw in air to air combat with ease.

Su-30 SM beats the Su-34 in air to ground and air to sea strike range and weapon. Su-30 SM radar has 400 km maximum range and can fire the new Oniks air to surface missile that has 300 km range safely outside the range of the world's best air defence SAM the S-400 that has anti-aircraft missile range 250 km.

The Su-34 radar maximum range is 220 km, and it cannot carry the Oniks missile. It's best air to ground missile is the Kh-59 with range 115 km, the the S-400 SAM will kïll the Su-34 in an air to ground strike role that the Su-30 SM will safely fight and win.

I have not seen any country that buys Su-34 strike without first buying Su-30 multi-role.

Pic....Angolan Su-27. Their Su-30 started arriving, with avionics upgrade done in Belarus.

andrewza:



To be fare some projects never end

Project BIRO was for both IPVs. MCM and OPVs. It seems like it wont replace any thing though in stead it will augment current fleet. The strike crafts still got live in them.

SAN does not differentiate between IPV and MPV, wanting to build only 50m to 60m vessels? That is strange, so Helmod is criticizing it.

chkil:

Excuse me for the off topic but how do you to not be banned by the antispam bot when you post photo ?? i have been banned 4 ou 5 times today and 2 times yesterday for no reason , after each post antispam bot blocked me and it starts to be annoying . any advice ?

Keep to less than 3 megabytes total photo in one comment/post. Also reduce number of times you insert images directly inside the comment box using ....[img][/img] ....it may cause a ban when you do it more than twice a day or your inserted image is more than 2 megabytes.

patches689:


Same source did not say 3 new ones.

So, we have now seen that you lied to us


I think you need to leave now

Source is official pdf and published by the Navy on it's news website, it clearly said 4 new ones for NN, and I am correct. You are the one telling lies about sniper kill record that SANDF officially denies.

You a South African asking a Nigerian to leave Nairaland for you to sit tight? Is it Rand-land?

patches689:


Soldiers, whos name and ranks were released (A colonel I believe) have confirmed.

How do you exaggerate a fact?

No official source = Rumour.
Claim was OFFICIALLY denied by SANDF SPOKESMAN OF BRIG.GENERAL RANK and you know that very well. Lets not post claims that have been officially denied, that will be deliberate falsehood on this thread.

patches689:


The South African designed sniper rifle, that, when operated by a South African made it into the world record books and became a permanent pillar in world sniper history

The above claim was denied by the SANDF and the South African army made no such record announcement. Let's not add unconfirmed reports to photos, and let's not exaggerate even if it's true. No offence intended.

Pic...terrain headache for soldiers in Congo...and a careless army driver that should get a query

Henry24o:
Seun, what do we need to do, for you to consider a Defence/Security related section right here on nairaland?

People will eventually abandon those other threads after some time. Let's not bother Seun. How many people on nairaland have interest in military talk? 0.00001 % of nairalanders.

Reason Strongest Military In Africa thread survived 5 years is only due to Nigeria vs South Africa rivalry of human egos.

This photo thread looks like booming high now just because the relevant discussions added life and value, people want to know what these nice photos mean, people want to hear from men in Somalia and that keeps them hanging around here. Let's go back to 100% strictly photos....zero comments, and you will see the 'crowd' thin out. Yet, I suggest we have few people and peace, than a crowd and senseless arguments transferred from the other thread by people whose egos have been hurt over there.

patches689:


Coming from the guy who told us, on this forum, that "official sources say nigeria is buying new missile craft"

Get a grip, drop the hypocrisy

Yes, and I am correct with source available on free internet and source pdf to paste on google browser, and a separate weblink were both posted here same day. Yes Nigerian navy is buying four guided missile fast attack crafts according to the report. Source : PAPER 1 - NIGERIAN NAVY TRANSFORMATION PLAN - IMPLEMENTATION MILESTONES AND THE WAY FORWARD.pdf

I deliberately avoid overloading this photo thread with weblinks for sources in all my comments, it's not the other argument thread where time wasters shout "citation please" asking for proof of everything including proofs that have been repeated for them 20 times. While here, I just rather mention source, e.g. Defenceweb, Guy Martins. That is decent. Now you just brought in today the bad habit of crossing out/striking through peoples' comment from the other thread to this one, soon you will spread it here and later blame another person for the bad habit you started.

Henry24o:
Agaugust, please enough already, take down those refugee photos. This thread is purely for entertainment, we are not responsible for, neither do we provide solutions to any conflict.

Photos of refugees taken down.

People can give advise on conflict resolution along with relevant photo if they wish, it does not break any Nairaland rule.

If Patches can post Syrian Rebels youtube videos and American Busta Rhymes rap music videos here and nobody complains, then I can make comments on African military conflicts resolution and nobody should complain.

We could alternatively agree to a 100% stop to ALL comments by everybody. I will comply.

upko1:


You will make a good case study for mentally inbalanced patients.
To have THINGS like this defending Nigeria online, is a ridicule to this great nation.

You are NOT a Nigerian. You also want to wreck this thread. You would rather be a caterpiller than a pillar. You are NOT a Nigerian, does not matter if you live in Lagos or camouflague with a Calabar name online. We know our own real people.

jln115:

Did you even read my quote to Henry? I said I agree it wasn't right to insult you.

Secondly you are a hypocrite, you post long off topic paragraphs constantly on this thread which have nothing to do with any photos.

Then when ssaengine posts a quote from the person who owns the photos you tell him to move his posts to another thread.

You never told Henry it was wrong for Saaengine to call me a fool, you actually said you would have insulted me too....and you did, you called me a hypocrite to add your own to his calling me a fool....

jln115:


I get your point, but if I was posting something that is related to a photo I post and also on topic, and some hypocrite tells me to move it to the other thread, I'll insult him too.

99% of my posts are related to my photos. Show me one unrelated and I will show you ten such similar posts done by other people here. Patches posts American Rap Music videos here and nobody complains. He posts Syrian war videos here at random, are Syrian rebels now African national armies? Nobody complains, you dont complain.

Most of my comments are same length as comments of other people here, or you want me to show you the long discuss that other people have been doing here which you did not complain about? My longest post here was about how AU-AMISOM can defeat Al Shabbab terrorists in Somalia, anybody complaining about that valuable post is an enemy of Africa and an enemy of peace, an enemy of mankind.

Paraaaade, Shauun !!!

jln115:

Stop being a hypocrite.

You are the hypocrite.

Saaengine just called me a fool and you see nothing wrong with it. Later you will say Nigerians started the insult. The first and only person to call someone a fool here today is a South African and four of you clicked like button to like his insulting post calling me a fool.

You are the hypocrite.