bidexiii:


I think I have something similar to such aircraft if not the sane.....

Not the same, Henry's photo is a medium to big size aeroplane. Yours is likely a helicopter. Those Nigerian boys in green uniforms are like cadet pilots in training.

patches689:


You are now moving the goal posts.

First you said

"We need better long range weapons because the terrorists are engaging at ranges of up to 2km"

I provide a better solution than you, so now, suddenly:

"No, but terrorists are fighting in towns so you cant use area affect weapons"


What kind of town do you live in that has 2km line of sight at street level? If you are doing FIBUA/MOUT why now do you need 12.5 if 7.62 kills just as well at close range?

Mortars were used extensively in North Kivu, which is a highly populated area, with minimal casualties, by the UN.

So literally everything you have said is largely incorrect.

Yes, I would say about 90% of the fighting in Somalia and Nigeria right now is like AMANI II.

Nobody is shifting any goal post, we are just educating you to correct your big error of a near genocidal battlefield tactics to mass murder innocent civilians on African streets by using indirect fire area effect high explosive mortar shells to counter high speed high mobility Toyota gun trucks of terrorists. Only you think an unguided mortar shell will easily hït a fast driving crazy swerving Toyota vehicle that is NOT sitting down for you like a lame duck.

You do not know what urban COIN warfare in civilian towns and cities looked like.

There are many African streets with 2km long line of sight for terrorists and armies to shõõt at targets in direct fire mode point effect. We have 5km long roads and bridges, we have long streets 3km long traffic jams, we do street protests of people stretching 5km long marching line of protesters.

You CANNOT use area effect mortars in urban area where innocent civilians live, it is mass murder. African national Armies will have to counter terrorists' guns with equal firepower type of army guns, or else good people will lose, and bad people will win.
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Henry240:
Nigerian military cadets

Our young blood military men. Young, healthy and strong with fresh life energy.

Odunayaw:
we hope so

Millions of dollars budgeted 2016 for new standard camo uniforms for NA, NN, NAF. It is being done, but will take time to complete. Just that I would have prefered digital camo. Even ordinary Customs don dey change to new cloth na.

Pic...Nigerian Customs service now in camo uniform.

Fynline:


Oga Henry una dey give Patches rep make una no dey anser the guy again. The guy na ekpa before u know now him fellow dogs go come scatter this place with them useless talk. Oga Agugust and Henry make una free the guy abeg.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssUFUKAho8c

Okay sir, I will free him. Thanks. Yaya aiki yau maigida? Se alaafia ni ewa? Kedu? Abadie?

patches689:


Actually, I am arguing against the use of weapons that require accuracy.

I am arguing for the use of area-affect weapons.

The usage of 12.5 at ranges of 2km is ridiculous... you have zero accuracy, in Veitnam a soldier hit someone with a 12.5 HMG at that range and it made the record books... thats how rare it is. Look it up.

Since WW1 the mortar always has been, and allways will be, the number 1 killer on the battlefield.

Do you know what it means when you deploy area effect weapons instead of point effect weapons in urban warfare?

Collateral damage on thousands of innocent civilians.

Do you know why armies carry as much as 44 rifles and machine guns but only 1 mortar in a 40 man platoon? Indirect fire area weapons like mortars find it very very difficult to hit a specific point target, and in battles against many high speed crazy driving Toyota gun trucks of terrorists can only be destroyed by accurate direct fire-point effect weapons.

Against ground targets in direct fire-point effect, 14.5mm gun is very effective at 2km range while 23mm is very effective at 3km range. They both can also fire armour piercing API shells against IFVs that are armoured to resist 7.62mm to 30mm HE shells. That is how powerful these terrorists' guns are, and there are so many of them on African battlefields today.

You keep calling for mortars against terrorits fighting inside African towns and cities, so you want to massively shell a civilian residential town with wide area effect high explosive mortars? You want to land inaccurate mortars on the houses of Maiduguri and Mogadishu residents and kill thousands of innocent women and children? UN security council and Amnesty International will be hunting after not only your army cbief of staff alone, but also your country's president for mass murder near genocidal level !

You don't know how weapons are used in battle and what type of weapons to use on different types of battlefields, you think all wars are fought in wide open fields and large empty space deserts, like the setting in AMANI 2015 arranged like a Rugby stadium match ?
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Army of Mauritania.....Sahara region army generals of Africa are not ashamed to be armed to match terrorists gun firepower.

Important thing is to go to battle and return to base alive, and to be able to defend your base if attacked. The days of text book military academy oriented fine boy army with fancy looking vehicles carrying 5.56mm and 7.62mm guns are over, except for army generals who do not value the lives of these motorized regular infantry corps men, these soldiers have families too, let African armies value their young lives. Arm them well, upgun your motorized infantry corps to minimum of 12.7mm, you also add 14.5mm, 23mm.....and see terrorits lose their big gun advantage.

Pic 2 shows ordinary Humvee carring 25mm cannon chasing terrorists in one desert somewhere.

Greetings from the Toyota Landcruiser troops of national army of Mauritania on parade.... Pic 1

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patches689:


[size=15pt]FALSE [/size]

Long term maintenance contract signed with SAAB
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33123:saaf-receives-gripen-support-contract&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

No Gripen in storage
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31821:saaf-says-gripens-being-rotated-not-stored&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242




[size=15pt]STRAWMAN[/size]

Why buy torpedoes if we are the only SSA with subs?




[size=15pt]FALSE [/size]

SAN refers to them as frigates
http://www.navy.mil.za/equipment/valour.htm



[size=15pt]FALSE[/size]

All debts were paid off in 2013
http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2013/02/28/arms-deal-paid-defence-share-covers-africa-mission



[size=15pt]FALSE[/size]

Contract for all 236 Badgers signed and paid for
http://www.janes.com/article/43336/badger-nears-production-aad142



[size=15pt]FALSE[/size]

Bidding process complete, tenders to be released this year
http://www.maritimesecurityafrica.com/Pages/Detail/18460


Is this all you have left? Have we thrashed and humbled you so much that all you can now do is recycle empty insults? To go back to old arguments settled in this forum many times? Lets not talk of your pathetic army where men only get 60 rounds of 40 year old ammunition and men who flee before the first shot is fired, have to buy their own uniforms and medical supplies, or your airforce with only 7 operational assets, or your navy of sailors who cant swim and with only 50% of vessels operational

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Most of your comment is heavy garbage on a long list.


Okay if arms deal debt is paid off....that is reason there is NO MONEY left to maintain Gripen jets, buy aviation fuel, produce qualified pilots, ir buy anything for Project Biro, not even a Canoe boat with paddle....broker than broke

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Henry240:


point.

Obong Henry, dem yan u flenty tori 4 de oda side about d tin wey u ask, go check am

rugged7:
US resumes training of Nigerian troops for anti-terror war

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/198338-us-resumes-training-nigerian-troops-anti-terror-war.html

Nigerian army has one of the biggest wealth of COIN training in the world today. They have collected skills and knowledge from all over the world into one army, war tactics and strategies plus skills from national armies of USA, Britain, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Belarus, South African PMC, Israeli, PMC, now requesting same from armies of Brazil and Colombia to add knowlwdge to knowledge plus their own local experience with Boko Haram for 6 years. I think we should share these capabilities with our fellow African armies' COIN regiments for brotherly countries who are not blinded by unprofitable ego.

rugged7:
Cameroon loses special forces commander in joint raid with Nigerian troops on Boko Haram in border regions Goshi Yobe state

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-11/cameroon-elite-military-commander-killed-in-boko-haram-clashes

R.I.P captain, God rest your good soul, amen

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If it was a Nigerian SF officer that was killed, the möröns of Cameroon will go all over news media and blogs calling Nigerian army incompetent for the fact that Boko Haram could kill an army special forces officer. Africa is full of möröns.

Thiza:
@AUGUSTUS ALL OUR SUPERMARKET ARE STUFFED WITH SOUTH AFRICAN PRODUCTS...EVEN SHOPRITE AND CHECKERS IN NIGERIA IS STUFFED AS SUCH.

South Africa imports massively from China more than Europe.

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“The reason we go that way [East instead of West] is because they tolerate us. They tolerate our incompetence. They tolerate our corruption and our bad governance,” said Shapiro."

http://businesstech.co.za/news/business/97157/the-real-reason-why-south-africa-is-partnering-with-china/

Msauza:


A simple army captain is earning over R360 000.

Simple question we ask again and again, show us a Zulu mechanic employee that earns half a million Rands a year salary that SANDF pays each Cuban mechanic.

Thiza:
@AUGUSTUS ATTACHED ARE PIC OF THE SOUTH AFRICAN POLICE SPECIAL TASK FORCE

They are NOTHING SPECIAL, they are there and yet South Africa is the crime capital of Africa where criminal armer gangs rule the streets day and night murdering and räping your people in grand style

Thiza:
SANDF....IF YOU CANT OFFER ANYTHING TANGABLE JUST ACCEPT AND MOVE FORWARD....DUAL GUN MADE AND DESIGNED BY SOUTH AFRICA

Whats the name of your dual gun or mini gun, and which company makes it?

Thiza:
AUGUSTUS NO AMOUNT OF NEGATIVE PROPAGANDA AND ENVY WOULD WISH SOUTH AFRICA AWAY. NIGERIA IS THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO OFFER AFRICA.

South Africa is a 3rd world country too.

Nigeria has absolutely nothing to offer Africa, go ask Congo-Zaire, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Dafur-Sudan, Somalia.

Nigeria offers satellite services to European countries who depend on our satellite technology, not to mention African countries that use Nigerian satellites.

It's South Africa that has nothing to offer except xenophobia, killing fellow Africans in cold blood on your streets just because they are immigrant workers doing jobs and paying tax to your governement that feeds you lazy Zulu, Xhosa, Bantu parasites who refuse to work for a living.

patches689:

And yet we still dont buy military equipment from China


Unlike Nigeria... all you can afford is cheap knock-offs with your pathetic military budget

Pooh pooh !!!

You bought Gripen jets you cannot afford to maintain, half your jets are in frozen cold long term storage.

You bought 4 so called frigates but could not afford to buy a single torpedo for them.

You bought those four Valour 'frigates' you bought have been officially downgraded to VALOUR PATROL CORVETTES by your own navy because you cannot afford to buy the standard 32 Exocet missiles for them, you could only afford half missiles and no torpedo at all.

You bought 3 submarines, you could not afford the cost, so you paid with bank loans and interest piles up everyday.

You bought only 5 Badger IFVs because you cannot afford to pay for the 238 units you planned to have, 15 years to buy only 5 IFV.

You bought NOTHING on project Biro after 23 years because you cannot afford one single IPV or OPV on that paper plan that is gathering dust in your defence procurement office.


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Epsilon armed trainer/light COIN of Togolese air force.

Togo, yes Togo has an air force with a reasonable fleet for its national size, resources and threat levels.

Alpha jets of Togo...

Msauza:


The Cubans are maintaining Samil trucks. South Africans can maintain them rather better than Cubans but the problem was the cost. Private companies demand more money to do the maintainance without skills transfer as SANDF said. However, Solidarity demands that Cubans must leave.


http://www.bdlive.co.za/national/2016/01/08/defence-minister-chided-over-cuban-outsourcing

SANDF pays each Cuban army mechanic 360,000 Rands per year plus benefits of free house, free transport, free mobile phone.....show us which Zulu motor mechanic earns that much....total package of salary plus benefits totalling about half a million Rands per year for one single mechanic, show us the salary scale of a Zulu mechanic to compare to what you pay a Cuban army mechanic
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Thiza:
SANDF...NO WONDER OUR HIV/AIDS RIDDLED SOLDIERS LIVE FAR MUCH LONGER....SECRET EXCELLENT MEDICAL FACILITIES AND LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM

SANDF is a half dead army.

Thiza:
SANDF....IF YOU CANT OFFER ANYTHING TANGABLE JUST ACCEPT AND MOVE FORWARD....DUAL GUN MADE AND DESIGNED BY SOUTH AFRICA NOT BOUGHT FROM CHINA

About 80% of manufacured products in South African shopping malls are imported made in China. Go count them inside Shoprite and stop fooling yourself. Chinese president orders Jacob Zuma not to allow Dalai Lama visit South Africa and your president obeyed the command from China. Stop fooling yourself, China is 1,000 times a greater nation than South Africa, you can compare RSA to Zimbabwe, not China.

Togo.....their air force, not remembered by many. They also fly Alpha jets.

Pic 1, Epsilon light attack and trainer aircraft.

Pic 2, Puma helicopter

Henry240:


They are manned 30mm. They are a standard armament of all our missile crafts of that era. They are a secondary armament.

Thanks. Just realized vessel was photographed from aft deck behind. Emerson 30mm amidships.

patches689:


They are manned, emmerson electric 30mm

They are to the aft of the vessel

I thought the pic was front of the vessel, now I see its the back. Yes La Combattante class FAC uses Emerson as medium calibre guns, however they are amidships not aft deck on the La Combattante.

Henry240:
Nigerian Navy's Fleet Re-capitalisation Efforts continues.

- NNS Ekun,

- NNS Siri,

- NNS Damisa all three(3) vessels are currently undergoing an overhaul process at the Nigerian Navaldockyard Limited



*P.S, it also seems the Nigerian Navy has built a small 12 meters craft. The boat is clearly visible on a kneel to the right of this photo.

Chief Henry, can you explain the strange armament on the two boats having 2 detached adjacent main guns? No known Nigerian vessel fields such guns and they look like remote controlled. Is that the replacement for the single main foredeck gun of the Ekun class?

Any Tiger elite among these guys?

patches689:


1. You can see the armor config on the turret
2. You can see the RCWS on the turret roof

Russia abandoned Shorta - I think their Generals are smarter than the Indians

1. You can see nothing clearly in that cloudy video
2. Nothing clear to see in that dusty and foggy film

2. Who told you that is the RCWS ? It looks very much like one turret roof hatch open and flipped upwards, and beside it a coaxial roof top machine gun with big ammo box attached to it like on a T-72.

Shtora is still very much in Russian army service in large numbers. Indian army generals are not fools.

PHOTO : T-90 ALGERIA, ROAMING AROUND THE DESERT, HAVING NO WORK TO DO.

patches689:


You can see the turret shape and the iconic RCWS quite clearly

Challenger has never been destroyed by enemy action and has only been penetrated once (driver lost a toe). One Challenger survived over 40 RPG and ATGM hits.

Abrams tanks we see getting penned in Iraq are M1A1 which are now over 34 years old and lack the DU +Graphite (DU = Depleted Uranium) layer.

Performance speaks for itself, during the entire Iraq/Afghanistan of ~14 years no single M1A2 or M1A2 SEP was ever penetrated by ATGM's with the only crew loss being from a tank that drove off a bridge into a river.

You have no official report of any confirmed defeat of T-90 tank in its 25 year old history. Your only 'source' is a clouded video of rebel propaganda and courts dont admit obscured poorly visible evidence....some upgraded T-72 and T-80 have similar hardware of T-90 mounted on them externally.

africaken:
kenyan soldier

Please advise Kenya and Uganda to replace all 5.56mm and 7.62mm light machine guns on armoured vehicles deployed for anti-terrorism ops except for SF that want very light arms for close quarters combat and can mount 4 LMGs on one vehicle facing all 4 directions and backing them up with hand held MGLs.

Minimum calibre for regular infantry should be 12.7mm DshK, but better to do 14.5mm x 1 ZPU, or else terrorists will do yöur troops much damage with superior firepower in calibre and range. Nigeria learned this big lesson the hard way.

PHOTO 1 : AFRICAN PEACE KEEPERS, MOROCCO IN IVORY COAST, PIC 1

patches689:


- heavily sloped turret shape
- you can see the RCWS module.

aka: The only two ways you can tell a T90 apart from a T72

Dusty cloudy film with very poor clarity of view. Who told you that is the RCWS ? It looks very much like one turret roof hatch open and flipped upwards, and beside it a coaxial roof top machine gun with big ammo box attached to it like on a T-72.

Nothing clear in that clouded image, looks like T-72 as much. So no proof, obscure images are unreliable as evidence. Get us a clear proof. Meanwhile, India buys more T-90 that you think is obsolete and has useless Shtora self defence according to your imagination. You are smarter than Indian army generals?