See the army that wants, to help other countries.....see them sommersaulting tanks in Kwa ZULU Natal province

jln115:


From Fledgling to Eagle: The South African Air Force During the Border War

By Dick Lord

https://books.google.co.za/books?id=jD9BuPH5LUQC&pg=PA377&lpg=PA377&dq=saaf+c130+april+1986&source=bl&ots=nC8GhPDMyG&sig=2edhykUl3PIA54iHh36KUq4kzlw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj22Y_OmN3LAhUKVhoKHTPNDKIQ6AEIMzAD#v=onepage&q&f=false

Weblink does not work. Find a real source that works not a dead weblink, dead source.

jln115:

Dude?? Really?? where in your source does it say it crashed?? Also it doesn't even have a date of the so called mishap or accident?? Clutching at straws as usual!! The fact is(If my memory serves right) we are one of only 2 air forces in the world that has never lost a c130 due to incidents or shot down!

Also love how you just move the goal post when it suits you....now all of a sudden we cant compare air forces and navies.....tell me Agugubugu how come an accident in your Air force which cost the lives of 200 due to Pilot error is ok, but when one of our trucks carrying an old Olifant mk1(which would've most likely have been Rooivalk target practice) has an accident on a motorway were accidents happen daily is a problem?

Source clearly says on the master list of C-130 crashes worldwide, that SAAF C-130 crashed on landing, stop lying it can cost you something someday like it cost MTN.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

Crash is crash, whether mishap or accident, call it any name, it is a crash. Simple.

Its not 200 people, stop inflating figures deliberately like a serial liar. It was 158 people and mostly civilians getting illegal free flight on NAF C-130.

NAF C-130 crash is no pilots error, it was a crime committed by boarding administrators who put their friends on free ride in the air.

NAF C-130 crash was NOT on a military operation or assignment. Just some free riders flying without paying for it. A few military officers too were there.

Pilots error was ruled out by final investigation reports and why wont it crash with 60% over-load above manufacturers load limit? 158 passengers on a 95 passenger plane.

The SANDF truck was carrying normal load, one tank, normal load it is meant to carry according to your own countrys sources.

Mandela turned Botha's fine intelligent army into a zombie dullards force called SANDF, that cannot move armoured vehicles or drive them from point A to point B, many Ratel IFVs too have crashed and kïlled SANDF soldiers in peace time at home, zombie army that cannot fight a war, cant move equipment around battle theatre, see their Olifant tanks exposed äss in Kwazulu Natal

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jln115:

Uhm.... emergency landing and a crash are 2 entirely different thing

No saaf c130 has ever crashed.

Who told you it was emergency landing?

SAAF C-130 crashed. Simple fact.

http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/C-130/mishaps-and-accidents/airforce/SAAF/

.....and leave air forces and navies out of a discussion about army vehicle drivers, you fools cannot compare like with like, land with land, not land with air....half illiterate Southies.

Nigerian army drove trucks, IFVs, APCs, T-72 tanks, etc from South sea port Apapa Lagos for over 1,000 km to North desert Maiduguri on tough roads, no single accident in war time. South African army CANNOT drive armoured vehicles on very good roads from point A to point B in peace time....your army of mörons cannot fight a war.

Compare the two photos

jln115:

For what?

Citation for your claim below

jln115:


Saaf C-130 in Angola in bush war. Yes, 1 was attacked by a mig 23 and was hit by a missile and still survived!!

jln115:

You said fully loaded? You said nothing about passengers, secondly the plane made a safe landing. Thus even if it had 92 passengers it would've survived.

Citation needed
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jln115:

SAAF is one of only a handful of airforces in the world not to have lost a C130 due to incident or to be shot down!!

SAAF C-130 crash landed but survived because it was during airport landing on a safe clear runway, but you crashed it, thats the point.

NAF C-130 crash was not a fault of the pilot, it was heavily over-loaded with 158 passengers instead of standard 92 passengers....it could not even climb to altitude. Pilot was good, flight booking admin was bad to have over loaded it.

jln115:

Yes, 1 was attacked by a mig 23 and was hit by a missile and still survived!!

citation needed, and show us proof it carried full load of 92 passengers

patches689:
Why are you guys bothering with this troll?

He is sitting here telling us the SANDF cannot fight because a truck lost its load.


This thread has been over for a long, long time.

This thread is over because South Africans got disgraced by :

1. Mokopa missile that missed easy target

2. MTN paying billions of dollars fine to Nigeria by force

The humiliation was too much for all South Africans' crüshed national pride to endure
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jln115:

Just 1 NAF crash = more fatalities than SAAF has suffered in the entire 23 year bush war!!

Did SAAF fly a fully loaded C-130 into Angola in bush war? Mumu.

patches689:


So we used black magic to transport these trucks?

This fuckwittery must stop.

Thats a photo of parked stationary trucks, they are not moving. Fool !

jln115:

And? Almost all of them were small planes, at least none of our C130s crashed!!

An Alpha jet is a small plane only about 14 metres long.

Dakota MPAs are small planes? SAAF crashes big aircraft. SAAF C-130 crashed too, just lucky to have survived.

patches689:


They crashed their Navys flagship 8 times.

8 TIMES!!

And they manage to crash an F-7 or Alpha jet every 12 months or so

Nope, not 8 times, Aradu had ONLY TWO accidents and survived, currently undergoing mid-life refit to return to service this 2016.

No Nigerian navy accident led to loss of the ship.

Where is South African navy's flagship frigate SAS Kruger ? ? ?

Your SAN navy mörons crashed a supply ship into your best frigate and SANK IT in broad daylight

Let me not go into SAAF crashes of Rooivalk, AW 109, Dakota, Cessna, etc. You have not even flown 3,000 air combat sorties in 6 months like NAF, if you try that, SAAF will have no aircraft left alive !

jln115:

Buddy i know you are bored and all after Beegeagle stopped blogging......but please, this is ridicules, even by your standards!!

Should i bring up all NAF accidents, then claim your pilots cant fly?

Should I bring up SAAF accidents? All SAAF aircraft accidents happen in peacetime without even seeing any war yet.

patches689:
Why are you guys bothering with this troll?

He is sitting here telling us the SANDF cannot fight because a truck lost its load.

Meanwhile, rag tag militia in toyota bakkies pushed the whole 20 000 men of NA out of 45 towns and cities and carved out an empire the size of Belgium, despite the NA having artillery/IFV's/MRLS/MBT's/LAV's/Attack helicopters/fighter aircraft... and Nigeria was only able to take them back with the help of South African Mercenaries, Cameroun and Chad.

The same military that has 50% of its fleet NON-OPERATIONAL, sailors who cannot swim, only had 7 aircraft operational, useless Radar, only 60 rounds of ammunition per man (40 year old ammunition at that), men who have to buy their own uniforms/food/medical supplies, mass desertions, mass war-crimes and an ENTIRE BATTALION that defected to Cameroun

And a defence industry who's biggest boast is the Igiriri... a LICENCE PRODUCTION of an Streit MRAP

This thread has been over for a long, long time.

Your South African army of incompetent mörons was in Abuja to stylishly beg Nigerian army to transfer our war experience via exchange programme with your redundant inexperienced sleep at home army that has been snoring in bed for 25 years without seeing real war, they even forgot how to drive a simple army truck !

jln115:

And? What has 1 truck driver have to do with the combat capability of the entire SANDF?? Also do you know the reasons that caused the accident?

And? What about the regular driving and crashing of Ratel IFVs killing SANDF soldiers at home without war starting yet?

Your army cannot drive its armoured vehicles or trucks at home, same way you cannot maintain them until Cuban army mechanics came to your rescue. Your army engineers cannot rig-fasten a tank securely on a truck.

SANDF air defence guns, your army cannot operate safely, your anti-aircraft guns lose control and massacre Southie soldiers.

South African army CANNOT move armoured vehicles from point A to point B in peacetime, you will be worse in a war situation.

SANDF is incmpetent, your army chief was in Abuja stylishly begging Nigeria for military training exchange programmes, he wants Nigerian army to teach South African army :

1. How special forces can kill 3 Shekaus in 3 years, both the original Shekau and his clones.

2. How to defeat terrorists and crush an insurgency.

3. How to do German Army style Blitzkreig and liberate 45 towns in 45 days on a battle space bigger than Belgium, creating 45 new grave-yards full of enemy dead bodies.

4. How to deploy a full size army of infantry + armour + artillery combined composite forces, with African Napoleon class officers in command and not the meagre brigade level that SANDF is limited to for the past 70 years.

5. How to reduce terrorists fighting force from about 40,000 armed insurgents to about 2,000 in 12 months by inflicting heavy battle casualties on the enemy.

6. How to set up army air aviation wing of armed helicopters flown by army pilots.

7. How to drive over 1,000 armoured vehicles around a whole country without sommersaulting in broad daylight....

jln115:

You do realize the tank was on a truck right?

You do realize it was an SANDF truck driven by an SANDF driver from your army of dullards?
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South African army CANNOT drive any vehicle

Wrecks expensive Olifant tank !

Dullards of SANDF cannot fight real war, they cannot even drive their own vehicles at home in peacetime on a decent easy highway, so what will happen when an enemy is pursuing them on a battlefield off-road? Dullard army of Africa
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DieVluit:


Again, the fine has not been paid and you've done nothing about that. Thanks.

What of the $250 million cash first instalment paid? You started playing ïdiot and lying again, same ïdiocy and lying that put your MTN into trap of billion dollar fine, you never learn your lessons, that's why South Africa falls into same pit again and again like a brainless ïdiot.

http://metropolexpress.com/news/item/6245-ncc-confirms-mtn-has-paid-250million

DonBobes:


eida nw or later. MTN's SA wil stil pay!

Dont mind that ïdiot DeVluit, MTN has started instalmental payment with $250 million, next instalment is $650 million and they are running around like a rabbit pursued by a hunter to raise the money.

DonBobes:
nawao! E b lik say ds fine against MTN is takn a big bite on SAs on ds thread o. So tey pple lik thiza, patches(lying CROA), ETC do not have money again to buy data.
Ok, ok mak una com bk i go gv una som naira mak una use buy data. Whch kin poverty de worry SAs lik ds.

[size=13pt] What Nigerian did to South African MTN in business show of who-is-boss, if the final proof of what Nigeria will do to South African military forces in war, we will show them who-is-boss on the battlefield. NA will roast SANDF.

Nigeria is master over South Africa in anything involving power tussle !
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bidexiii:



To some extent @agaugust I agree with you. You can tuck in ur shirts in Yobe, Maiduguri...far north east you will die of HEAT....... . Do you want to talk of the hot air that blows, sand storm,harmatan etc..
The north east has extreme weathers....!!!!!!

Yes I agree, I know harsh weather and terrain conditions of desert war compels Nigerian troops to loosen up their clothing and yes it makes them look rough and unprofessional, but the irony is that they are being professional by checkmating the heat, sand, dust problem of NE semi desert war zone. Reason why Chadian army sticks to their head turban and loose clothing

africaken254:

Drownproofing Training (U.S. Navy SEALs)

US Navy Seals are special forces not regular troops.

africaken254:
so this are the hamburger-cheese burger recruits your talking about !

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmvNDR9J_hw

Special forces/Elite forces are different from regular troops. The woman is not even in the army, she is a Nigerian air force regular and probably even non-combatant, yet see her tough training drills at NDA. They don't do that in NATO regular courses for regular troops. Reason why they call it torture in USA and EU.

iblawi:
You guys should come back we will reduce MTN's fine I promise. Is just that we can't accept MTN's plan of paying $1.5 billion over 14 years. It doesn't make sense MTN should come up with something better.

South Africans ran away from here, too much disgrace for them to bear, president Jacob Zuma kneeling down in Abuja to beg Nigeria for mercy while MTN runs around different banks to loan them money to pay us $3.9 billion....LOL South Africa will borrow billions of dollars to pay Nigeria free money we did not even work for....Nigeria is busy räping South Africa financally, this is sweet economic räpe o ! South Africa is bleeding to death o !
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Video gone viral in EU and USA, why is the world criticizing NDA training? This is Nigeria's military training tradition, we owe nobody any apology. Nigerian soldiers are very tough and strong physically. Let the Europeans and Americans try copy Nigerian soldiers and see them collapse. Nigerians troops compare body stamina with the likes of Chinese, Korean, and Japanese troops, not these hamburger-cheese burger eating NATO soldiers.....we eat eba or akpu !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_LJfkLMUMg
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Clean shiny Sagaie

patches689:


The old gear you guys used to wear makes your men seem so much more professional.

If you compare footage of your guys in Sierra Leon or Liberia to footage of your guys today... the "old boys" seem, aesthetically, to be the more professional army

Emphasis: aesthetically speaking, not refering to actual ability or quality but meerly the effect the uniform has on "image"

True, I agree with you. Our ECOMOG days troops looked so professional in those old time gear, especially the all green with the big pouches and their good old FN-FAL rifles, they looked good looked 'warlike' and no nonsense. Two things, those days most troops tuck in their shirts, makes anyone look smart, now most will fly their shirts. Also those days less vehicles were available, so they need big pouches for ammo/water/food, but now so many Toyotas and LAVs to store ammo/other supplies.

Patchesagain:


Where did you get your information from?

Max rate of fire: 6rpm
Range: 600km
max speed: 80-100kmph
http://www.military-today.com/artillery/nora_b52.htm

G6 remains top dog

12 rmp sustained rate of fire by B-52, automatic loader has 12 shells loaded for rapid salvo fire.

http://www.militaryfactory.com/armor/detail.asp?armor_id=701

B-52 is the new top dog in Africa with 20 years ahead of the G-6 technology

patches689:


Imo, its no contest - G6 has better range (gun) and mobility (road range).

That is all false information you posted.

Facts are:

G-6 road range 700 km
B-52 road range 1,000 km

G-6 Rhino firing range with base bleed shell = 39 km

B-52 Nora firing range with base bleed shell = 41 km

No army has V-LAP shell on Rhino in Africa. Also no army in the world has 52 calibire Rhino, only the 45 calibre is in service. Then according to SANDF official website, SANDF has only base bleed shells and their G-6 Rhino maximum range is officially published as 39 km.

B-52 Nora range is 41 km with base bleed and beats the G-6 Rhino

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/nora-b52-self-propelled-gun-howitzer/
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Henry240:


OBJ and Theophilus Danjuma (COAS, later Defence minister) almost killed our military.


The advice they got from the Americans and Europeans, that pruning and downsizing the Nigerian military makes it more effective proved to be monumentally false and a stup1d move.


There's a direct correlation between having a small, peacekeeping style military and insecurity. They are like the ying and yang, Inseparable!


The tactics BH employed were also entirely new, that was another source of frustration in the beginning. We couldn't just deploy "scorched earth tactics" or shell civilian areas. We also didn't even know the enemy. He was everywhere and nowhere at the same time.


We've now gotten a hang on, and the results continue to improve. However, BH is a long term fight. We cannot defeat an ideology, we can only contain it. There are many factors which make defeating BH impossible, some of the factors are completely beyond our control.


My personal satisfaction would be the day we are able to deploy 70% local land systems. APCs, IFVs, HMGs,n surveillance equipment et al.


ISIS..... Is nothing. BH has committed more atrocities in the last 12 months in Nigeria, than has ISIS in Syria. There's nothing ISIS would throw we haven't seen before. What we need is to improve upon the gains we've been recording, purchase proper assets, especially long range bombers, continue with a flexible training regime. Dominate the grounds.

That's you own long story discussion above. How does that follow the rules of this photo thread?

If Augustine writes long story about AMISOM vs Al Shabbab, you call it derailment and should be banned.

EVERYBODY here writes long story when it suits them, including irrelevant Syrian war and Russia Vs NATO analysis and discussions. You think I am blind and don't see all those derailments? I see them and just mind my own business. I do not own Nairaland.

Looks like it's wrong when Augustine does things, it's right when others do the same thing here. You guys have a conscience I guess.

To keep this thread clean, everybody should agree to stop ALL discussions. Post photo, name/identify content of the picture, full stop. That is the only solution. Stop picking on me, WE ARE ALL GUILTY, EVERYBODY HERE IS GUILTY.

Henry240:
Agaugust desist from instigating conflict and insulting thread contributors.

Patches689 stop fueling confrontation.

If both you guys can't follow basic thread rules, your contributions in this thread aren't required. I'll be forced to call in the mods if you continue.

I insulted nobody. Someone tells random lies and I call him a serial liar is NOT an insult, it is English language definition of someone making deliberate false statements.

Seun and his mods know the definition of an insult.

stillchris:


bro, to be honest, if i were a moderator i go don ban you since.

i like this thread a lot and some of your post are quite provocative enough to start some baseless arguments that can ruin this thread. i love my country and all but sometimes we just have to be civil especially in a place that requires it.

i think south africa pulling out of darfur is none our business as they have their reasons.

same way we had ours when we pulled out major combat troops from mali before elections and we also defended had our reasons for pulling out some troops from same darfur and we happily defended the decisions on this forum.

my point is that there are some arguments you just don't get into if this thread is to be kept clean.

no harm in correcting a foreigner's info about your military when wrong should only be allowed. (i got my eye on you @patches )

abeg bro. make we try abide by the rules.

Thanks, but EVERYBODY on this thread is guilty of derailing arguments at one time or the other. Should I go back a few days and show you your marathon arguments with people here about the news of South African special forces deployment in Nigeria? I never commented on that chain argument becuase I saw it as derailment based on mere rumour published by some sensational journalist. I can take you back to pages where you engaged in elongated derailing arguments with other Africans on this thread, arguments that in my own judgement were unnecessary, but I did not talk because I don't own Nairaland.

I deliberatly avoided any comment on the SA special forces/Nigeria deployment arguments until when Patches continued to insult and ridicule the UN mission in Dafur calling the SANDF withdrawal it "Good riddance to a fücking mission" all to justify his country's withdrawal. Why should he use a Nigerian forum to spit insults on a humanitarian mission protecting the suffering Africans in Dafur from genocide?

It only looks like I am in the center of things because I am a 'marked man', I have about 7 South Africans here always ready to attack anything I say, if they all turn their focus on you, they will make you look like the trouble maker, while they are the real ones casuing trouble.

patches689:
The Continents best SPG

The continent's current best SPG is Kenya's new B-52 NORA, year 2007 technology systems.

52 calibre gun. 41 km BB shell firing range. Road travel speed 100 km/h. Road travel range 1,000 km. Sustained Rate of fire 12 rpm.

DieVluit:
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The fine saga was always gonna end in embarrassment for Nigeria. They were never gonna see the full amount of the fine. They haven't even been able to punish MTN for its defiance. Lol

Fool !

Why should we punish MTN when you already paid us $250 milllion first instalment and already set aside $600 million for second instalment? Do you know what it means for MTN to pay is $850 million free cash for our enjoyment not for any work done? You are not paying us for any service we rendered or goods we supplied/sold to you....you just donating free cash into our pocket in billions of dollars !!!

Who cares about full fine of $5.4 billion? It cost South Africa its national pride begging Nigeria for mercy and reduce the fine, watching your president Zuma on his knees begging Buhari in Abuja after the first begging in Pretoria

The reduction is worth it since it gave Nigeria the pleasure of humiliating South Africa in the eyes of the whole world as we made you humble in begging, it was fun seeing you beg us !!!

Even if we pity your cash strapped half broke MTN and accept final settlement of say $2 billion, it's free cash you paying us for doing no work, we just sit down 'lazily' and turned South Africa into our new ATM machine where we collect money by just pressing some buttons

We forced South Africa to become Nigeria's free cash free dollar cow. Sweet Economic Rāpe
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