jln115:


Beg for what?

Beg for mercy, South African president and a whole team of ministers are heading for Abuja where Jacob Zuma will kneel down and beg Nigeria to have mercy on MTN, DSTV, SASOL, STANBIC, etc ...we are your masters, we hold South Africa by its already leaking testicles, we can crush it and ruin your now feeble economy with multibillion dollar fines and penalties. We own you.

jln115:


Eeben Barlow was trained by men like General Nel and General Coetzee

Prove it with source.

jln115:


Did I say SANDF?? I said "We" !

Secondly Eeben Barlow was trained by men like General Nel and General Coetzee who are still in the SANDF!

So technically speaking the SANDF did train your soldiers.

Technically, SANDF is NOT = STTEP.

STTEP is an international private company, Eben is just Chairman.

Technically, a private military company is NOT same as national army of South Africa.

Nigeria's national army and national air force DIRECTLY trained current SANDF generals who command the South African national army and national air force. WE BUILT YOUR MILITARY FOUNDATION
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jln115:

Beg for what?....we trained your soldiers....remember?

Show me where SANDF trained Nigerian military, STTEP is a private military company with trainers from different countries. STTEP is not SANDF, or is that company your national army under Zuma's command?

We trained your air force and army generals who command the entire SANDF remember...
Nigerian military built your SANDF foundation from basic flying to infantry skills, etc
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jln115:

I see you didn't bother to post the next paragraph, were it clearly states, that the deaths were caused by soldiers standing upright out of the hatches!!

secondly accidents happen in all militaries.

Accidents happen, not foolish accidents like your SANDF is having regularly on homesoil.

Show me where Nigerian Igirigi summersaulted like your Ratel that raised up all its four legs with back flat on the ground like a LovePeddler who just got paid to be laid.

In war wont your soldiers stand up and look out of the turret, to do visual observation, is that not what turret is meant for?

Yours are too common, RATEL IFV has speed of 110 km/h, but at 80 km/h your SANDF drivers sommersault and crash to death. Your drivers cannot drive at speed because they are mumus. If you are crashing at random in peacetime when nobodybis pursuing you, what will happen to you when enemy ambushes you in a war?

patches689:


Army Guide does not say the RMK-30 is the most advanced in the world either.

The discussion is over, stop trying to derail this thread whith provocative and insulting posts.

You are the one derailing this thread by accussing others of derailing when you are the one creating senseless arguments and loads of lies/deception. When you posted your big lie saying army guide wrote that CAM GUN is most advanced in the world when the website NEVER said so, you did not see your false claims as derailment, but when I correct your lies you call that derailment.

Stop using Naira-land forum to spread false information, go do your fraud on Rand-Land.

Sadest news in Africa Q1 2016 after Somalia incident of January

ISS: Darfur fatigue - is South Africa retreating before the war is over?

"Whatever Zuma’s intentions in ordering the withdrawal of the SANDF from Darfur might have been, its effect will surely be to help al-Bashir and hurt the long-suffering Darfuris."

Written by Peter Fabricius, ISS Consultant

Republished with permission from ISS Africa. Thursday, 25 February 2016.

Pic....little boy in Dafur Sudan....is he saying "Hey soldier don't leave us to die." ?

Jacob Zuma coming to Abuja to kneel down and beg Nigeria for mercy...

http://www.african-defense.com/defense-news/south-african-defence-minister-among-government-entourage-to-visit-nigeria/

jln115:

All you did is prove how fvcking tough the Ratel is.....there were no injuries, and the Ratel will be operational again with in days.

Nope, the Ratel sommersaults have been happening in SANDF for many years and your soldiers have been dying inside Ratel IFV at home in peace time.


“Loss of control leads to the vehicle rolling,” said one military watcher adding deaths had been reported as a result of Ratels rolling." - Source: Defenceweb March 4, 2016.

South Africans cannot drive their own army vehicles from point A to point B in peacetime at home, so what will happen to SANDF if enemy tanks are pursuing you and you need to drive fast out of sight.....or you need to drive with speed out of an ambush....?

Your dullard army cannot drive SANDF owned IFVs without sommer-tumbling in broad daylight !!!!!

[size=13pt]SANDF Ratel IFV cannot run....or SANDF drivers cannot drive even at home without enemy pursuing them [/size]

Looking tough.....Chad

patches689:


- Army Guide says the CAM GUN is the worlds most advanced

Nope ! Army guide does NOT say CAM GUN is the most advanced in the world, it's you saying it and it's a big fat lie you frabricated on Nairaland.

Gernan made RMK-30 is the first and only 30mm cannon with unique feature of no recoil. It's the most unique, creative, and advanced in the world today. No contest.

South Sudan T-72s
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Patchesagain:


I let you call me Patrick because I found it quite funny how you guys claimed to have discovered my identity...a and yet were completely wrong!!

If you can say that you and the Augustine on beegeagles blog are not the same. Then I and Croat are definitly not the same - confirmed by Henry and members of the other forum

Your obsession with me is borderline homosexual

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NaijaPikingidi used 'snooper intel tools' to 'hack' out your real name as Patrick, and when he called you Patrick you answered him immediately saying "Yes, you know my name!".

Your real name is Patrick not Paul. Too late to change it, you criminal.

There is no Augustine on any Nigerian forum or blog claiming falsely to be an European and denying Nigerian citizenship, what we have is a Patches from South Africa who is an identity thief claiming to be a Croatian white man and denying South African citizenship of his own homeland. Shame on you for denying your fatherland in public. Shame on you fraudster !

Obsession? No ! I am a crime burster, bursting your fraud bubble. Look dude, in my office are retired USA military, FBI, and CIA guys.....I tap knowledge from them. You cannot fool me, that's why I used personality trait identification technique to detect that Patches and Croat have 100% same writing format, thinking pattern, and cognitive emotions.....that is a CIA technique used to detect people they are targeting or spying on in the espionage world.

Henry confirmed nothing, does he have your IP address or saw your international passport to confirm your true citizenship? He confirmed nothing, he cannot prove anything. He merely wanted peace on the photo thread......and hey on the photo thread africaken said he believes you are a South African marketer working for Denel......LOL....people know Croat = Patches
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DonBobes:


We no longer use it, d calibre of its primary wpn is nt heavy!

Nigeria bought 136 Vickers tanks from Britain. We Probably have about 100 remaining in service. We have 14 T-72 tanks with better capabilities. However, General Buratai is reviving some Vickers with upgrade including computerization. Details not revealed to public yet....but it is beautiful with the upgrade and new desert camo colours.

Britain or India may have hand in the upgrade, but they may not, more likely that it could be a 100% Nigerian army engineers upgrade project now that Nigerian navy engineers reffitng a whole frigate Aradu at home, building a new Landing Ship Tank, and Nigerian air force engineers configuring demilitarized Alpha jets into weapons capability and arming it with made in Nigeria rocket pods, Nigerian army engineers constructing our own C2 systems for a whole battle theatre....

Nigeria has the best military engineers in Africa. We can do surprising technical things o ! Other countries' military engineers cannot try what we do....SANDF engineers are all braind-dead, they import Cuban mechanics for $300,000 cash plus free house/free transport/free phone annual salary/benefits per mechanic.

Pic 1.....Old NA Vickers
Pic 2....New upgrade NA Vickers


Video, newly upgraded computerized Nigerian army Vickers Eagle main battle tanks being tested for war zone deployment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TLjwyLzfw0

craziebone:
who are you really? Where do you stand? Why do you support SA?

It's Patches using stolen identity of Croat. Claiming to be a Croatian citizen, yet he is Patrick the South African from Gauteng. He's now even saying his name is Paul after answering Patrick as name for 2 years. This guy is likely an ex-convict, his mind is too criminally inclined to have a crime-free record.

patches689:


Why is it so hard to get credit where credit is due?

When it is false credit or stolen credit
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RMK 30, Most Advanced 30mm cannon In The World....No Recoil, World's First And Only


Made by Mauser Company, Germany.

1 A recoilless 30mm weapon, the first and only in the world , almost entirely compensates the recoil impulse by taking advantage of the gases streaming out backwards while firing. In the design of the RMK 30, this has been achieved by a moveable cartridge chamber and an attached nozzle.

2. As it is recoilless, it can be installed on very light platforms such as soft skin vehicles which in the past could not be fitted with a weapon of this calibre. Another world's first and only of it's kind.

3. Apart from being a recoiiless design, the RMK 30 has a number of other special or unique features including:

• Three chamber revolver type breech cylinder

• Moveable cartridge chamber

• Linkless ammunition feeding

• Selection options Left or right hand ammunition feed

• Telescoped ammunition with a compact charge

• Combustible case and inductive primer.

• Accurate and sustained firing with dispersion patterns of less than 50 per cent, superior in comparison with other conventional cannon.

• Single shot sniper mode option selction

• Short burst firing option selection

• Up to 300 rpm fire rate variable option selection in full automatic mode


According to Mauser, RMK 30 can be also be used as part of a complete integrated weapon system which, with a number of other subsystems including tracker, thermal imager, fire-control computer, stabilised mirror, laser range-finder and gyro.

RMK 30 is the world's first and only recoiless 30mm cannon, and most advanced 30mm gun

http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3602.html

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MikeCZAR:


The M242 is a 25mm chain driven cannon.

The most advanced 30mm cannon in the world if we want to talk of unique technology is the RMK 30 made by German Rheinmetall. It has no recoil, a 30mm gun ! Aslo fires single shot sniper mode, up to 300 rpm automatic, as gunner selects from three options of fire mode. This is the worlds most advanced. Just to settle the mystery question.

Fynline:



I very much doubt this picture

Asian motorbike soldiers, army of Japan.

africaken254:
egypt and jordan armed forces joint exercises

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg2pMB8QCWE

Did you see the Egyptian training centre for both open field and residential urban environment warfare? They built a 'town' in the desert and simulated terrorists vs military forces, that means they know what current war Africa is fighting, and they are ready for ISIS Libya. This modern day training format, not the old Soviet style that Egypt got from USSR in 1960s to 1970s.

Patchesagain:


1. I am not croat

2. You said NATO definitions (which are from the 1960s) say IFVs must have ATGM - they dont

Ask Croat to post NATO definitions for you, both Patches and Croat always online at the same time, you just asked 'him' to post Croatian todays newspapers for you here 5 minutes ago, so ask him to post the NATO document for you, Croatia is NATO member.

Patchesagain:


Augustine, even henery has told you to stop.

So stop

Henry told you to stop arguing about Badger IFV but you refused to stop, you keep repeating same argument. You want to use Henry like your tool or what?

croat:


Will do, though my IP address already proves it. 192 for the win.

IP address proves nothing. People fake it by international phone roaming manipulation and identity clones.

Patchesagain:


Feel free to post the NATO IFV definition

No ! You claim to be Croatian citizen and military expert living in Croatia, and debating on military forums around the world, lecturing Pakistanis on Pakistan military forums.....Croatia is member of NATO and signed that document you are asking from me, so you post it from NATO nation Croatia since you say you live there as citizen. NATO citizen, post NATO document for us, the document 'your own' country signed
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Patchesagain:


Stop de-railing this thread with senseless allegations.

Stop insulting the morals of this thread and insulting the intelligence of all Africans with your false Croatian identity.

Stop derailing this thread with your criminal behaviour.

croat:

Badger IFV has one low rate of fire 30mm cannon with 3 km maximum effective range and one 7.62mm light machine gun with 1 km maximum effective range.

30x173 mm can hit targets at 4 km and 7.62x54 mm at 2 km as those rounds go that far and beyond.

That is all it has as an IFV and costs $5 million per vehicle.

Denel has turret with addition of ZT-3 Ingwe that is along side 30x173 mm cannon and 7.62x54 mm machinegun.

Where do you get 5 million? Why are you using $ dollar sign?

Please do not say it is the most modern in Africa as the Badger fails to meet NATO standard of a modern well equipped IFV, it has no anti-tank missiles and so 100 Badger IFVs will be destroyed by 1 T-72 tank in 2 hours.

You are simply assuming that it does not have ATGM, Denel has turret with ATGM on it.

T-72 would lose agaist Badger if outnumbered 10 to 1 with Badger's that don't have ATGM's.

Just post Badger photos and don't add lies and deception to it. Thanks.

You are embodiement of lies and deception.

Patches = Croat

You South African claiming to be Croatian is lie + deception = Fraud & Dishonour
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Patchesagain:


Lol

"I am right all the links are lies!"

Confirmed to have lost his mind.

Also - i have disproven every single statement you just made.

For the sake of this thread, stop posting this trash

For the sake of this thread, please feel free to post photos of Badger IFV and attach the following information confirmed by me on Denel's official Badger specs data brochure and defence-industry daily website.

Badger IFV has one low rate of fire 30mm cannon with 3 km maximum effective range and one 7.62mm light machine gun with 1 km maximum effective range. That is all it has as an IFV and costs $5 million per vehicle.

Please do not say it is the most modern in Africa as the Badger fails to meet NATO standard of a modern well equipped IFV, it has no anti-tank missiles and so 100 Badger IFVs will be destroyed by 1 T-72 tank in 2 hours. Just post Badger photos and don't add lies and deception to it. Thanks.

Photo : Badger IFV, always beautiful

croat:


JF-17 thunder block 1 has everything the gripen have. The only advantage Gripen has over JF-17 is lower RCS and radar.

I must correct you as you missed a lot details, no offense.

JF-17 Block 1 lacks aerial refueling probe, data link, electronic warfare capabilities and lacks two seater variant for training.

Gripen has 7.5 to 10% higher engine output which with its up to date canard design result in over 20% greater speed.

JF-17 airframe can handle 4000 flight hours compared 8000 hours of Gripens airframe which is composite which can handle greater positive and negative G-force.

we don't have fact on the radar That comes with block 2 yet. Data available for now is for block 1, but if you have proof let's have it.

Block 2 radar higher performace variant of radar used in Block 1.

Block 2 lacks composite airframe, two seat variant for training and uses same engine.

South Africa defence force can't overrun Nigeria forces. It's not just possible.

Nigerian army is in most areas decades behind in tech and have much less armored vehicles...

With what resources?

They have far more armored vehicles and are technologically decades ahead in most areas...

How many regular soldier do they even have?

Over 80000...

And how many of them are full combatants with regular drills.

That I don't know.

Can't a Croatian tell us how they will overrun the Nigerian military?

[b]I already explained some aspects of it in this thread...

Extensive explanation:

Nigerian MIG-21's are defenceless against Gripen like Serbian MIG-21's against NATO's F-16's. Pilots would not know what hit them or constantly hear warning alarm that you're locked on and as good as dead.

SAAF Hawk 120's have A-darter thus are good enough to engage your MIG-21's and survive.

Nigeria does not have attack helicopters for seek & destroy, fire support and scouting while SAAF has Rooivalk which can also fly high enough to be out of reach of infrantry anti-air missile launchers that Nigeria has.

SAA can go literally zerg rush on Nigerian T-55's with hundreds of Ratel 90's and Rooikat 105's while T-72's will be out numbered 4 to 1 by Olifant 1B and Mk2.

SANDF G5, G6's and MRLS's outmatch Nigerian 155's by huge margin and placed strategically all over Nigeria would result in that SANDF would be able to hit any spot in Nigeria with South African MALE UAV's lurk 24/7 around Nigeria for prey.

Any shipment of military suplies by sea will be captured or destroyed by SAN submarine's which will dominate sea since Nigerian ASW helicopters are in unusable state.

SANDF has Gripen C/D so they can do aerial refueling, all they need is large fleet of beach landing ships and a helicopter carrier.[/b]

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You are Patches the South African.

No sensible Croatian citizen in Europe will wake up every morning to waste his life defending a South Africa be does not have any blood link with, and keep on attacking Nigeria violently and relentlessly as if he has no job. What will a white man in Europe gain from dying for South Africa on Nairaland, Jacob Zuma paid him one million dollars for internet support?

Anyone you fool with your stolen identity should go back to primary school.

Patches = Croat = Identity Thief !!!

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chkil:


no ! i'm not soldier , I work in the health field , but i have just a passion for the military and africa this is why i'm happy to come here in nairaland and many others african forums

Okay thanks. So, is there any official video of the 2013 fight at the gas plant? Algerian forces vs terrorists, any video your army released showing the real fights or part of the operation?

africaken254:
most portable ATGM have a range between 5,000-10,000 ,GI-30 has a maximum range of 4,000

Dont mind army guide posting a whole bunch of wrong info on that cannon, all those specs they call unique are available on other countries 30mm cannon, some marketing guy fed them with wrong data and they swallow it. Maximum effective range of GI-30 from Denel data sheet is 3 km. Maximum rate of fire is 200 rpm, and if the Badger faces ambush or swarm attack by enemy terrorists in Toyota gun trucks its slow rate of fire will be a big disadvantage, the Russian/Ukrainian made 30mm autocannon has selected rate of fire options of 200 rpm, 300 rpm, 550 rpm, 800 rpm for different levels of enemy threat. You don't need to waste ATGM to kïll a Badger IFV, one single T-72 tank will destroy one hundred Badger IFVs in 2 hours with no reply from the Badger IFV battalions. It's a $5 million price per vehicle rip off by Finland on Denel, a very bad deal, reason why it dragged from 1997 to 2016 with only 5 experimental units produced in Finland. Yet the people concerned are blinded by national ego they dont see they have been ripped off. Badger is more expensive than new year 2011 extra hi-tech MS variant T-90 tank that combines missiles with its main gun.

croat:


Your stupidity is insulting to humanity, you're a waste of gene's...

KTO Rosomak is Patria AMV, one way or another with modifications that suits Polish army.

What Poland can do is what South Africa can do better due to considerably more developed defense industry.

We have been told to stop this argument and you have started again within few hours. Only Patches is known to behave like that or how do we explain a Croatian man behaving 100% like South African Patches.....and why are youa Croatian having only one mission on nairaland? Mission - Promote and defend South African made weapons & attack only one Nigerian singled out of a dozen....Agaugust ? So you Croatian citizen living in far away Croatia is now the marketing manager for Denel products according to your last sentence in bold fonts above ?

africaken254:

I think he is a denel salesman ,i just want to ask him which percentage of Africa arms market does south Africa hold of the Africa arms market !

He just rubbished fellow NATO member Poland's defence industry saying it's inferior to that of South Africa. Poland that is manufacturing military aeroplanes, helicopter gunships, missile armed corvettes and minesweeper ships, light jet aircraft engines..... yet he says he is citizen of Croatia a NATO member with Poland located almost next door. A Croatian boasting of excellent knowledge of Denel technical capability in far away Africa...so we see a Croatian fightng here ready to die for South Africa....for no reason?

Henry240:


I couldn't care less about Patches689, he acts like an insecure toddler and he is 50% of the time, the reason why this thread is derailed.


However, that Croat guy is actually Croatian. I'm atleast 70% sure of this. He comments on "Pakistan Defence Forum", and has a Croatian flag as his avatar. It would seem rather unreasonable that Patrick would comment on here with a Croatian title, while still maintaining same identity on a totally non-African defence site.

In these days of Yahoo internet fraud, you don't know any true I.D. of whom you are talking to on public internet. You do not have the I.P. address of the Croat guy on Pakistani forum to compare with that of Patches. You cannot see the croat guy's international passport for citizen I.D. The internet world is full of expert identity crimes that even the FBI and CIA are struggling to unravel.

jln115:

Dude his not Croat, know stop being retardded please!!

Patcbes is croat. How can a Croatian citizen in a non-English speaking Croatia suddenly wake up one morning and becomes ready to die for South Africa and he is anti-Agaugust, he never sees anything wrong with Patches comments, he chooses to attack me instead, why would a real Croatian do that? You are being rëtärdëd if you dont see that logic. The probing questions I asked about his Croatian characteristics that is 100% a photocopy of Patches characteristics, including personality traits like strikingthrough/crossing out peoples comments, calling people delusional, saying people are grasping for straws....that is how FBI and CIA catches criminals by personality traits, I just educated those of you who dont know how spies burst hidden people out of their holes in espionage style.