Iblawi1:


Mumu before calling others dumb you should ask yourself why a proper blue water have landing craft and amphibious vessels?

why do navys have helicopter and fighter jets?

Why do they have replenishment ships?

You are a fool.

Why would Egyptian Navy buy mistral class carriers, landing crafts, helicopters?

You don't even have a blue water navy yet fool.
South Africa can't project force anywhere dummy.

Foolish South African with dull brain.

Big 1,800 to 3,300 Tonnes moderately armed navy ships with 76mm main guns and anti-missile decoys are not brown water vessels, their sizes and range are blue water capability.

NNS Thunder, NNS Okpabana, sail from north pole arctic ice zone down to south pole, and voyage far off to the end of the world in Australia, that is blue water capability sailing from one end of the planet to the other.

NNS Ambe Landing Ship Tank is back in service, refit completed 2015/2016, that is a blue water vessel that moved Nigerian tanks and artillery to Liberia and Sierra Leone. That is amphibious capability force projection.

NN controlling the entire Gulf Of Guinea up to SADC in response to Angola's distress call, is true and tested force projection.

Blue water navy and force projection does not mean the ship must carry missiles, the important thing is that It must be armed to meet the level of threat that is to be encounteree on it's mission. That is one thing the South Africans do not know, they think only missiles make blue water or force projection, but no !

There is peace time maritime security blue water missions and force projection, that is what Indian navy signed deal to do with Nigerian navy for long term, India has requested to be allowed to depend on Nigeria's blue ocean capabilities across the Atlantic ocean
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Henry24o:


There are at-least 5 photos in all, did you check both links?


This particular photo in the link, what's the news source (e.g, is it A.P or Reuters or AFP)

Reuters photos, both.

Tanzanites !

Henry24o:


news.yahoo.com/photos/nigerian-soldiers-practice-first-aid-during-flintlock-2016-photo-210208438.html


news.yahoo.com/photos/nigerian-soldier-practices-marksmanship-during-flintlock-2016-u-photo-205830133.html


Can you extract the photos of Nigerian soldiers in the link above? For some reason my devices are acting up.

How many photos are there? I see only thiis one in the story....

Msauza:
Agaugust must face reality and come to terms with the fact that nothing in the universe is perfect. All gunships in the world will somehow miss the target at one point and none is perfect. Arms manufacturers will assure you that if you want anything close to perfection then you must ready yourself to visit planet fantasy.

South Africans now EATING THE HUMBLE PIE fresh baked pie, so hot

They are no longer claiming defence industry champion that produces same quality of weapons as Europe
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jln115:

Dude the first 2 missiles were fired in 2011 hence the reason why they used the words "first" and "second".

All you did was prove me right and prove that you can't read.

Bwahaaha....LOL....So you mean all your fellow South Africans Patches, Msauza, Saaengine who have all agreed that this February 2016 Mokopa firing is the one that missed target, you mean all these other South Africans here are fools that cannot read ? Congrats for insulting all our Southie brothers on Nairaland today o !

Hey @ ALL SOUTH AFRICANS....your brother jln115 says all of you are fools that cannot read !!!
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Msauza:
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Complete waste of energy.

Complete waste of money....Rooivalk + Gripen + Mokopa = missed target = ZERO

patches689:


Pls list missiles that can engage at that range
Pls list attack helos that can engage at that range

Many....Attack Helicopters like....

Apache
Mangusta
Havoc
Tiger
ATAK
Hind


.....armed with 8 km to 11 km range missiles/ATGM like....


Hellfire missile
Ataka 120M missile
LAHAT missile,

etc will hït targets from 8 km range.


" The laser homing attack missile (LAHAT) is a light-weight anti-tank guided missile produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). It can be fired from vehicles, helicopters, vessels and remote installations.

The LAHAT is a very compact missile and relies on semi-active laser (SAL) guidance to engage targets using both direct or indirect designation system.

LAHAT helicopter launched missile can destroy stationary and moving targets at ranges up to 8km with pin-point accuracy. "


http://www.army-technology.com/features/featurethe-worlds-deadliest-anti-tank-missiles-4159253/

South African made weapons have fake capabilities being advertized to unsuspecting buyers.

Rooivalk + Mokopa = 100% Failure, SANDF is wrecked !!!!
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patches689:


Kornet max range: 5.5km
http://www.military-today.com/missiles/kornet.htm

Red Arrow max range: 6km
http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=842

Your argument is invalid

How does it feel to know that a man sitting in Shanghai, with massive jet-lag, who has just worked 21 of the last 48 hours and has had 4 pints of beer can intellectually out maneuver you with ease?

Cape Colony fool, you are always a hundred steps behind us Naijas.

Kornet ATGM has two types, the Kornet EM has 10 km range or 10,000 metres. Fool

"The 9133F-2 guided missile weighs 33kg and has an explosive force of 7kg TNT equivalent. The maximum speed and range of the missile are 320m/s and 10,000m respectively."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet-em-anti-tank-guided-missile-system/


I have listed several ATGM with missile ranges 8 km, 10 km, 11 km and this has finally WRECKED Patches and every other South African that dares to argue with. Nigerians.


Gripen + Rooivalk + Mokopa missile missed easy target at 8 km, SANDF + DENEL = 100% Failure


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patches689:


Citation for range pls

Hellfire is maxed at 8km, I checked before i asked you for a list

I am allways one step ahead of you

You are always 100 steps behind us Nigerians all the time.

Let me educate you again as usual. Hellfire max range is NOT 8km as you say, it is 11 km.


"Each Hellfire weighs 45.4kg-49kg including an 8kg-9kg multipurpose warhead. It has 8km (LOAL, high trajectory), 7.1km (LOAL, low / direct trajectory) and 11km (UAS: LOAL, high trajectory) range depending on the trajectory."

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/hellfire-ii-missile/


You NEVER knew any ATGM has been hitting targets easily at 8 km range until I educated you.

jln115:

You obviously can't read. If you could you would've seen that the test where the makopa missed the target was back in 2011 with a telemetry missile.

Two missiles were fired in 2011, and [b] another two Mokopa fired during the Rooivalk demonstration on 3 and 4 February 2016.

The first firing involved the Rooivalk successfully firing the missile at a target that was laser designated from the ground. The second firing the following day was not quite as smooth – the target was laser designated by a Gripen flying overhead. The Rooivalk launched the missile at a range of 8 km, which followed the laser beam from the Gripen, but narrowly missed the target.

The 2011 tests used telemetry missiles, but 2016’s firings were designed to evaluate trajectory and penetration and long range capability in conjunction with an airborne remote designator. [b] The 10 km range Mokopa."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=42356:feature-denel-pushing-rooivalk-mk-2-export-orders124:military-helicopters



You mentally degraded boy with Zulu transplanted brain. Defenceweb report in the bolded part says the 2016 two day demonstration of this February is the one meant for airborne remote designation by Gripen plus Rooivalk combination, and that the second day did not go smoothly as the Mokopa missed target in front of potential customers in a business marketing demo show !

Your white skull is missing its white brain, the Zulu brain transplant has turned you into Kolomemtal victim overnight .

Henry240:
... And i saved the best for last!


Happy Birthday to me!


Thank you Lord for giving me the confidence, grace and courage May today and all of my days be amazing!

I wish you a God nourished and God filled life and future, Happy birthday boss !

Msauza:



Bwahahaha… Why dont you talk about the first launched missile that made the successful engagement with the use of ground laser beams? You go around cherry picking and beating about the bush knowing well that mokopa made a succeasful hit the first time. Lets talk about it.

There is NO single record anywhere of Mokopa hitting target at 8 km in its history from lab test to marketing demo.

Your Lady Mokopa beautiful bride suddenly reached menopause during her wedding ceremony in front of her bridegroom Denel and invited wedding guests from Nigeria, Egypt, Poland
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Msauza:


Henry, give me one ATGM in the whole universe that can engage the target at 8Km? Mokopa has done it successfully the first time and the second time using Gripen laser beams it narrowly missed the target. Now give us only one ATGM that can achieve that or else you will as well be reduced to a loser like your fellow agaugust.

Hellfire ATGM has been hitting target at 8 km for almost 20 years till now. Mokopa is a 100% failure, even saaengine is so ashamed he now compares Mokopa to loaf of bread in his excuses.

Apache + Hellfire killing tanks at 8 km with no stress !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iveSPDw7ONc

kizfaz:
can someone please ask this DAFT upko1 what his blood is useful for..... Of what relevance are yhu to Nigeria....

I wanted to ask him what he himself Ukpo1 has done or invented for Nigeria since he says Nigeria built nothing.....what has he himself and his entire family invented for Nigeria? Has he built a Gulma drone or his family built a bomb disposal robot?

I chose not to the talk to him because I realized the guy is due for admission at Aro mental hospital in Abeokuta, Governor Amosu recently provided new vacant beds there in the admission ward.

jln115:


Dude can you read?? The test where the makopa missed the target was back in 2011.

Denel demonstration to potential buyers of Rooivalk firing Mokopa missile and missing target this month February 2016 just about two weeks ago is what you call 2011 test? Are you mäd ? You cräzy inside ya white head ?

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patches689:


List missiles that can engage targets at that range

While Rooivalk Helicopter with Mokopa missile fail 100% today....

Apache Helicopter with Hellfire missiles hït targets at 8 km since 20 years ago
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iveSPDw7ONc

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patches689:


4 Frigates and 3 subs are enough to send your entire navy to the bottom of the ocean and blockade your country.

South Africa can projet force, its a fact, deal with it

South Africa TECHNICALLY has no frigates anymore, your navy now calls them VALOUR PATROL CORVETTES.

SAN has only enough full complement of crews (sailing and combat) for ONLY ONE SUBMARINE AT ONE TIME, and you have a sub that will be sunk by NAF Alpha jets, Albatross jets, or guided missile armed dones and NN high speed ocean interceptor vessels while it snorkels gasping for oxygen resupply every 96 hours.

You have ZERO force projection, that is why Indian navy signed many years long term maritime security operation joint venture for South Atlantic ocean with Nigerian navy, thus ignoring South African navy and it's sleep at home inexperienced navy.

These Indian admirals sailed warships past Cape Town to come so far up and show great confidence in Nigerian navy due to our decades of operational track records from 1960-2016 wars, peace keeping, maritime security, including saving Angola in time of trouble inside your own SADC regional backyard.
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patches689:


So Nigeria has since 2008 received missile armed warships and maritime replinishment vessels?

No?

It remains unchanged

Many things have changed...


South African Valour warships recently got officially downgraded by your own navy from frigates to mere patrol corvettes.....they are now graded down as VALOUR PATROL CORVETTES....no more frigates technically
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patches689:


Factually speaking,

South Africa is the only SSA country that is a threat to anyone

South African military missing easy target with their best weapons is NOT A THREAT to anyone
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Msauza:
Maybe our fellow Nigerian experts can tell us why did the most trusted Apache missed its targets using Hellfire in Afghanistan and only ended up killing two farmers? Apache missed the target it could see using short range hellfire and with mokopa you cannot even see the target from range and you will only have to link with another platform like fighter jet or ground laser beams using interoperable TDL.

http://m.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/hellfire-misses-2-taliban/1838853040001/

Let us hear what Henry has to say about this.

There is no visible Apache helicopter in your above video.

There is no visible missile launch in same video.

There is no visible target in the video.

There is NO proof that is even an helicopter launching a missile. All we see is a street and smoky explosion on the ground. Could just be a ground to ground mortar or RPG fire by unknown people on the ground.

lionel4power:
Have you seen the lightning of machine gun rounds

Tracer bullets

ssaengine:
No reply...i thought so

Algeria has wasted it's money on Denel product. Algeria was deceived.

Today Mokopa fails and missed target at 8km, sure it will miss target at 6km.

Mokopa makes South African made weapons a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

SANDF's claimed equipment combat capabilities are all fake !
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Msauza:


Give us one ATGM missile in the world that can hit the target at that range.

Kornet ATGM

Red Arrow ATGM

Why did Denel claim what it cannot do? Leave other countries missiles aside, the topic is WHY HAS DENEL MADE THIS FRAUDULENT 10 KM RANGE CLAIM FOR 7 YEARS ?

Mokopa missed target at 8 km, not even 10 km....despite being given an easy target pre-arranged and marked by SAAF 'advanced hi tech' Gripen and UN 'acclaimed rebel killer, superior target finder' Rooivalk ? Why miss at 8 km with a 7 year long claim of 10 km capability?

Soweto Fraud On Display Worldwide.

ssaengine:
So just so i can understand....when a country is looking to purchase a new missile like Mokopa, they do it like they are buying a loaf of bread? Read what is written about it (nutrients, calories etc etc) then buy it? If things like missiles are quick and easy to buy, why do defence deals take so long? Why do you hear of a rumour that X wants buy from Y, then only many months later a deal is made public?

Very simple answer....country Y will varify every single piece of advertised data. People think Algeria came for a 2 day shopping spree and just filled Mokopa in a shopping basket and left? They bought 100 missiles from Denel, they did so because each technical aspect of the missile was proven to them over many months.....i know that, personally. Long before articles are printed on Defenceweb internal memos are circulated throughout Denel stating the progress of tests to potential customers. Hence why i said a few weeks ago to look out for Denel's biggest deal ever, you wont find it on Defenceweb or Janes yet.

Missiles are tested in various flight regimes. A-Darter went through the same process. It was never always fired at max range and max g's. Mokopa has a range of 10km, end of story.

Algeria has wasted it's money on Denel product. Algeria was deceived.

Today Mokopa fails and missed target at 8km, sure it will miss target at 6km.

Mokopa makes South African made weapons a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

SANDF's claimed equipment combat capabilities are all fake !

END OF STORY !
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Henry240:

LOL!


You're talking 6 km, the missile won't hit a target standing 10 meters away.

Bwahahaa

Sure A-Darter and Umkhonto are having same problem.

New Data for proudly made in South African missiles to avoid missing easy target:

1. Umkhonto SAM on Valour Patrol Corvette = 7.5 km with plenty of prayers
2. Ingwe ATGM on Ratel IFV = 2.5 km with lots of fasting
3. Mokopa ATGM on Rooivalk helicopter = 5 km with extra-extra goodluck, less than 10 metres more certain

South African proudly made weapons prices will soon be offer in the world market on auction at half price anytime from now.....let the auction sales begin
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Msauza:


Aguagu, that is very logic. Missile's range are controlled by the rotor engine mounted in them and as soon as the missile is launched it loses its thrusting power throughout its journey. Remember that the missile makes turns and twists throughout its flight and requires power. If the missile ranges up to 8Km, it will not mean that targets will have to be engaged at maximum range because you will only remain a fool to engage targets at that range. It will be a waste because you will stand 99% chance to miss the target.

Denel's logic did not advertise that its power thrust will fail before 10 km, they said it has 10 km attack range, and ex-SAAF air force chief called it an 'over the horizon distance missile'. Denel logic does not agree with you.....LOL....Denel logic makes South Africa 'smarter' than Europe in technology....LOL.....pride goes before a fall....LOL...laughing in Zulu.

Meanwhile, Saaengine and THIZA have run away into hiding as Mokopa + Rooivalk + Gripen threefold combination backbone of SAAF, missed easy pre-arranged target in broad daylight .....LOL....laughing in Xhosa & Ndebele....LOL
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Msauza:
Agaugust give me any of the ATGMs you know that can engage the target at the range of 8Km? You haven't answered me yet because all the missiles you listed have max range of 8Km and will never engage target at that range because the rotor engine would have depleted its thrusting power before it reaches that range. Chances will be 90% sure case that the target will be missed.

Ouch!! Agaugust fails yet again.

Ouch!! SANDF Rooivalk + Gripen + Mokopa fails yet again.

Show us proof of your above claim, show us where manufacturers say 10 km missile will not hit target at 10 km....Denel claimed 10 km range for Mokopa, they did not advertise that its power thrust will fail before 10 km, they it has 10 km attack range.....anyway its now downgraded to 5 km in reality

jln115:

What @Henry240 and @Agaugust also don't get, is that the tests were carried out almost 5 years ago back in 2011 using telemetry missiles.

Just a few months ago they tried to disregard a source of mine that dated back to 2012, now all of a sudden they are trying to draw conclusions on tests done back in 2011.......talk about being hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!

Nope, we are drawing conclusion on MARKETING DEMONSTRATION TO POTENTIAL BUYERS DONE 14 DAYS AGO that ended up in failure of Rooivalk, Gripen, and Mokopa. 3-in-1 triple failure in one day


UN officer in Congo, most likely bribed with money by Denel marketers, praised Rooivalk for a job done by Mi-35 Hinds that hovers well and has superior firepower over the twice expensive Rooivalk fat turkey.

Mokopa fraudulently advertised as 10 km range, Denel decieved Algeria and exported Mokopa with fake range. Today Mokopa fails and missed target at 8km, sure it will miss target at 6km.

So much for the claim of "South African made defence products are same class as those of Europe....we have the biggest defence industry in Africa, we are top 20 arms exporters in the world....blah blah blah...."

South Africa is exporting fake products with fraudulent claims of false performance capabilities.

I said it before that 10 km range Mokopa will NEVER work, now I am proved right in the eyes of the whole world today !!!!!

Like I have repeatedly stated, let SANDF go test all these their shiny painted and over-rated untested weapons in a real war and let us see their performance, let us count how many targets they will miss per day on the battlefield !
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Msauza:



8Km range missiles will safely engage targets at 6Km you fool. Give us any of the ATGMS missiles that can engage the target at 8Km.

Russian Kornet and Chinese Red Arrow ATGM have 8km missile ranges against targets.

Soweto fool

patches689:


List missiles that can engage targets at that range

Is very obvious what you are doing

After years of you criticisng the Rooivalk, your Generals have made you look a fool by expressing interest in it.

All the damage control in the world cannot save you now.

Russian Kornet and Chinese Red Arrow ATGM have 8km missile ranges against targets.

South African Rooivalk and Mokopa missile are the most disgraceful failures of the decade !

Rooivalk + Gripen cannot hit easy target that has been neatly pre-arranged to be easy for them by Denel. Acclaimed top striker plays penalty kick over the bar misses open goal post in broad daylight.

SANDF cannot kill even one tank with guided missile using $100 million worth of jet + helicopter double combination....

Those Nigerian air force officers that attended your failed demo show have filed report by now in red bold letters....CAUTION, DO NOT BUY: $40 MILLION ROOIVALK CANNOT GUIDE A GUIDED MISSILE TO EASY TARGET .....all potential customers laughed and mocked the show of shame as SAAF fires and missed easy target at home
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Patchesagain:


Or we could just say:

DONT POST OPIONIONS HERE

I said that from the start

Everything here was fine until you let Augustus start writing essays

Everybody writes essays when they want to, I am not the only one. Go look at back pages for the past 6 months.

I wrote sensible essays and my longest post was a list of strategic advice to African Union - AMISOM on how to defeat Al Shabbab terrorists this 2016 in Somalia, I did that because this thread is for the good of Africa, and most of the photos posted by various people here in the last 12 months are AMISOM photos.

I humbly did good for Africa, I wrote essays to save lives of good people....that is more useful than you Patches posting music videos of American hip hop rapper Busta Rhymes on this military thread, I wonder how many African lives your hip hop music video will save in Somalia since that is the best you can do for our Africa in war time
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