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macof: wat word of God? have u heard God talk that u say u know the word of God? word of Jewish men u call word of God. Am sorry for ur gullibility, u really need to advance past ur current level of intelligence.

Am aware of the creator, that's wat I explained in my last post, but that saviour u talk abt doesn't save anything. U can believe u would go to hell unless u worship ur Jewish master, u can believe the words of men are the words of God, U can believe only Jews know God. But don't preach nonsense and deviate people from intelligent reasoning

U see, such intelligence u claim is referred to vanity in d Word, the best of d knowledge of ds world is darkness, vanity and foolishness. I m not here to argue wit u on whether thr is God or Savior. I will rather strife 2get u saved in Christ wit every opportunity given to me by God than engage in unending fallacy/argument. Anytin i need to discuss outside ds wont benefit d unsaved.

See, ppl wit lik tot dt u portrayed ar fully identified in d scriptures even b4 we were born and d more i hear u, d more i see God's grace and power abounding to save u thru d Gospel of Christ. Definitely macof, u wont escape ds grace because b4 ur rejection and acquiring of knowledge, He has loved u. Ur struggling wit it or trying hard to prove it wrong cant nullify His desire for u - "To be saved and come to d knowlegde of His glory".

macof: God is the the very reason evrything and anything exist. his Energy is present in everything and even more is present in us Humans. You once asked if it applies to animals like dog, goat etc. and the answer is YES!. when our bodies were formed, God deposited more of his Energy into us making us come alive, our souls are part of Gods essence because they are directly from him.

Normally God shouldnt be attributed as a male or female by using "He" or "She" but for the purpose of Christians who have been taught about God as a male figure, I would continue.
God is pure and living Energy with consciousness, that is why everything in existence is formed from Him. It is more appropriate to state that He is the Ultimate form of Energy, where other energies are formed from.

Everything as Energy, and those Energies have a Source= God

If u ar a Christian, i need to let u kno dt all ds u wrote doesnt hav a place in d Word of God
If u r not, then first thing i need to let u kno is dt thr is a creator and a savior. We can pick from thr when u r clear on ds two.

wiegraf: Exactly where did the builders of the statue of liberty claim to be omnipotent? What are you on about?

Simple question, can your omnipotent god build a rock so heavy he cannot carry it?

Not just a rock, He definitely can move d universe.

Joagbaje: Have you cast one out before? How much experience have you? It's not about talking letters and theory you know. The thread was specifically for those who have experience in such ministration. Not theologians .

U kno wat amazed me? U talk so big lik casting out devils is sometin dt require special experience or power.
Lik Jesus sent to John d Baptist, many shrine destroyed, many mad men received sanity, oppressed delivered, men saved. Confirm urself whether dt is theology or Power of God.

I dont need to tell u of any of my experience, u hav d word of God. But i assure u, anyone who cant do dt in our church is likely a newcomer.

Finally, Gal 5:1, Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage

apostle007: You've been bragging about your Bible Knowledge, and yet you exude little understanding. Merely knowing the letters of the bible does not give you knowledge.

Bro, u one can brag on d knowlegde of His word. Explaining reality from d scripture is not bragging.

Not all believers are on the same level of faith or knowledge, else the Church wouldn't need Elders. So don't tell me that "casting out demons is bread of a believer." Or are you implying that those who can't cast out demons aren't believers?

Mark16:15-18, And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues...
If casting out devils require levels or elders then speaking in new tongues should require dt too. I hav to attain a level to speak in tongues.

Act 10:46, For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. (New convert)
Act 19:6, And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Convert too).

If Jesus mean "speaking in tongues" requirement is believ in Him, then bro, casting out devils is not exempted.

As to believers in scripture who needed deliverance, Paul that you quoted readily comes to mind. He asked for deliverance not once, but thrice. He wanted God to remove the messenger of Satan afflicting him, until God renewed his mind to that effect. Is that deliverance? Unequivocal "yes!"

Paul? reading dt chapter in totality should show u dt d mean of paul's "messenger of Satan or torn in d flesh" is not even close to wat u believ it is. If Paul needs deliverance, i bet u who can escape. Carefully study Paul, not even once will u see him talking on deliverance in d light of wat u understand. A clear understanding of deliverance will show u dt most things u said here demean d position of a believer in christ (Complete In Him)

You see, deliverance is not at all restricted to casting out demons. Breaking evil covenants is deliverance; casting down strongholds is deliverance; renewing your mind is deliverance; destroying spells and enchantments is deliverance.
Having said that, deliverance can come in many different ways: through praise and worship, strong faith, prayer session, evangelism, quiet time, including Bible study.

Bro, remove renewing ur mind from dt list becos dt makes every believer to need deliverance thru out a life time becos renewing is a continuous process which is a function of knowledge except u tell me dt some ar above renewing now.

If u believe ds scriptures in its totality most tins u said here about a believer wont come out of ur mouth.

Col 1:13, Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Heb2:14, Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

Believers are d casters not d castee, ds is our right in Christ. Enlightenment from d word of God is wat he needs. U kno sometimes i wonder d kind of shared apartment d demon will hav with d HolySpirit within. Truth is, a man can never b in submission to two opposing spirits. Its either u r of God's Spirit or not.

Can i kno ur present location:-state?

apostle007: Many of your comments on this thread border on spiritual arrogance. It's obvious you are not familiar with deliverance ministries; and hence, a little humility from you about what you're not familiar with wouldn't be inappropriate. Suggesting that the Op is either lying or ignorant is uncalled for.

Praise God, you are winning souls on Nairaland, but it is the Holy Spirit that win souls. If you are going to admonish a brother do so in love, it's only by the love we have for one another that people will know that we are His disciples (John 13:35).

@apostle007

Deliverance ministries? who gave it 2u? Bro dont let us go into dt. Casting out demons is bread of a believer, dont enslave them becos of thr ignorance. Well, when a believer want is quick and fix solutions ds is wat they end up in. Mayb u can show me a believer who needed deliverance in d scripture or Nigeria's believer ar different?
Jesus, Paul dont spare those who come publicly to demean his work by claiming special influence or ministries to enslave men, i wont too.

GeneralShepherd: Without science, the world would still be in the dark ages!!! Look around and tell me just one thing that has increased the quality of human life that was derived from principles in any holy book. If our Lord Jesus said give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Fact is that most cases of deliverance are perfectly curable mental problems.



'Science' doesn't just mean building rockets,it is the systematic study of things, mind as in the case of psychology. There is more knowledge in science than in the bible, the bible is a guide to lead us to God not a science textbook.

The phone/laptop you are using were not derived from the book of Romans, its an accumulation of years of sweat and tears of various individuals

All ur claims above still exposes science weakness. Struggling and sweating over years to prove things dt were expressly stated in d scripture. over 2500years to believ in a round earth, dts lik waiting til eternity.

See, the life of man is not contained in laptops or structures and who actually told u we are no more in dark age, science? i bet u d age now is darker than those times. If u want to talk about lasting knowlegde, Science has failed d world more than anyother sects, from evolution theory to unpredictability of end of human race. u kno wat gambling is? dts exactly wat science does for now and when anytime it hits jackpot, ppl shout claiming its advancement. Lik i told u b4, i dont hav issue wit science or its discoveries, its been great to hav such, but science will continue to strife lik an infant trying to understand its environment.

Are u aware dt science cant even understand fully d causes of d changes in a pregnant woman? Wat do u say about d confusion on nine planets u were tot? If science can dwell in such ignorance at human level, how can it understand God. It ll need over a million year experiments on its telescopic equipment to register God and come to a full understanding of d earth.

Sorry my bad,the church once held that the earth was the centre of the solar system. Which turned out to be wrong!!!!

can u give me scripture and verse in d bible for ds or is it just human opinion on d scripture?

Of course I cannot say all people, because yes I've seen people without fear of hell nor demons that worship God

U r neither thr or here, if u r here then u ll kno dt d word of God is d final authority over any human opinion or experience. Lets kno whr u stand.

GeneralShepherd: If religion knows it all why would you think governments and large coporate bodies invest billions of dollars in Research &Development ?!!!!!
because they love wasting money?

investing in R& is a great direction which will lead science gradually to the reality dt it is limited in scope and understanding. We are not against science and we understand its zeal for knowlegde, but it has to wait till it embrace its weakness and seek light. lik i said, science is still infant, 80% of wat u see today thru science will hav vanished years to come thru progressive maturtity.

Please leave science as what it is, most people that are 'possesed' have serious mental and psychological issues.

An expression dt more exposes limitation of science in human affairs

Remember once upon a time the church believed the earth was flat and even killed a christian for saying otherwise.

Actually, it was science dt believed in flat earth, the word of God showed otherwise (Isaiah 40:21-22). are u not aware dt when science is clueless, it takes a glimse from God's word.

Most pastors generate these fears to keep the people stuck,most people worship God out of either fear of hell or of demons or both.

Most ppl, not all pple. Mayb u never met d other ones who without fear of hell or demons worship God with clear understandin.

nokingasgod: From all indications, the girl in question may be suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD). It is a mental sickness whereby a personality developed other unnatural personalities within the same body acting these personalities under different names, behaviors, characters etc. For instance, she may be Ngozi, a good nurse and also Tola, a terrible and cruel mother, and also Aisha, a killer girlfriend etc and at different times unconsciously. Ngozi will act like a normal Igbo woman with all the idiosyncracies combined with her education. Same for the Yoruba Tola and the Hausa Aisha. It is another level and dimension of insanity and many people we termed as mad in Nigeria today are simply suffering from MPD.

Of course, you may call that demons if you wish after all, we are still in the dark ages as occasioned by the monumental neglect of the basic sectors - healthcare, education, infrastructure etc by successive governments and leaders, so, we apply religion to all things and pretend as if we are the holiest on earth. But in the West, it is cured combining hypnotism with science.

Becos d Op is wrong doesnt neglect d fact dt ppl can be influenced by d devil. Actually d system (governing) of d world itself daily shows how effective his influences are.

U can call it anyname (MPD, SSD or any). d fact remain dt science discovery is still in infant stage and cant register reality beyond its senses.

Joagbaje: Don't try to play the holier than thou card here. This is about narrating an experience not glorifying the devil. When paul narrated his experiences even his challenges and suffering , from false brethren, shipwreck, fighting with beast at Ephesus and how alexander did him much evil .if you were in his day you would have said he was doing self pity.

I called relevant people to contribute . I didn't call those who don't . I didn't expect many post on this thread . My plan was if I dindnt get any response . I leave the matter . But some guys just chose to hijack the thread and on thing is leading to the other.

The people that I mentioned were totally set free . So I wasn't confuse at all on how to handle the devils. Tha SMS thing was just a strange thing . And most experiences are universal that's why I wanted to sample opinion. I only expected at least 2 or three people to share their experience if there need be.

If the devil can tamper with phones and computer , the Holy Ghost can do much more for our Favour . Every christian has power to cast out devils. So no one is glorifying him.

Bro, Paul experience didnt elevate d devil, he didnt ascribed to him wat doesnt belong to him. Infact such experience exposes d devil's weakness (defeated one), but ds Op...
U cant expect two or three to share experience online, i believ u kno better ppl around who u can talk to on ds. And if d ppl were totally set free then thr is no need for d Op in first place. wat matters is dt they ar delivered. D devil wont tamper wit tins lik dt except by influencing ppl's mind. actually if u recieved d mgs as claimed then d lady sent it. Talk to her, tell her to b bold that she is free now, she will confess.

manny4life: I meant "the spirit of God" like Geez, do we have to spell things for you guys?

Again, ask the Spirit of God or the Holy Spirit to help you understand the Bible.

Oh yes, I understand the verse I stated, it was you thinking I meant devices like phone.

Pls if u understand d verse, can u pls explain for clarity how it align with d Op.

Joagbaje: I didnt want to go into this, but yes? Its spirituslly illegal but it hapoens .I won't go further. But there had been cases of people experiencing missing monies. MONEY DISSAPEARed. . Not stollen By man ,it vanished. It only stopped when they were prayed for. There are cases where someone experiencing spiritual husband thing recieves physical money from that being and spend it. There have been cases where such spirit brings physical clothes to the victim. Marks and spencer product! . Bags of clothes

The only issue is. Satan doesn't give good things that last . He eventually destroy his friends.victims He has no friends

I notice u giv so much credit to satan and demons, elevating them beyond thr abilities. U seems to even compare them to b in same class as God.
Bro, if u study ur bible well, u ll kno dt d devil is d most stupid personalty in d scripture who hides behind myths lik ur Op to decieve ppl.
U kno i asked u earlier, who actually is casting out who, d demon or u becos u sound lik u dont kno wat nxt to do. Even ppl of common sense here seems to kno wat next to do, how much more u (a new creation). wat does satan has dt he can giv? D earth is d lord...

My advice. Next time u hav issues lik ds, try talk to fellow christians around u for clarity or meet ur seniors dt showed u ds way of deliverance not bringing it to online forum whr ppl of all sorts will demean "the church" and create an unneccessary atmosphere. Ask urself, at d end, will ds Op glorify Christ and the church or make little of it?
Thr ar believers here doin great works (preaching, enlightening and praying regularly) on several individuals on nairaland so as to win them and expose the eternal defeat of satan, so bro, make d work b easier for us. Thanks.

manny4life: My post you quoted, read it VERY S L O W L Y then reply again. If after reading and you don't get it, then I'll help you.

Well ds is ur post

"You're asking me if it's true or not like I was there when it happened, my stand is CRYSTAL CLEAR, things like this happened. I am a witness so I know things like this happened. Even the Bible stated, "Brethren DO NOT be ignorant of the devices of the devil".

U clearly agreed with d Op and even extracted a scripture for him.

manny4life: Please ask God to interpret the Bible to you... Where in my post did I say the "devices" are phone? Seek wisdom and understanding and you will receive it.

U definately dont understand d verse u quoted. And mind u, God is not an interpreter. Wrong words lik ds from believers make me wonder wat exactly they ar learning from churches.

manny4life: You're asking me if it's true or not like I was there when it happened, my stand is CRYSTAL CLEAR, things like this happened. I am a witness so I know things like this happened. Even the Bible stated, "Brethren DO NOT be ignorant of the devices of the devil".

Dt devices nah phone? Stop all ds and get back to ur bible instead of depending on experiences.

manny4life: What's unscriptural about it? During the days of the Bible, was there telephones? Even the demons in the Bible had a way of communicating

If its scriptural, can u giv us chapter and verse. we can pick it from thr.

wiegraf: You understand these claims? Ok, please explain away ballam etc.

Ds is not a question, its better u ask specifics 4better explanation. Though i sense u hav a set mind.

I prefer you start with this though; can omnipotent god build a rock so heavy even he could not lift it up.

Can d builder of statue of liberty lift it up? Even though d builder of d statue cant, u definately dont need God to lift a rock, i can.

Many more available, just start with these.

I hope you aren't going to invoke 'mysteriossnessese'?

Nothing is mysterious except to those dt are outside, for those of d fold, blessed are our eyes for they see and heart for they know.

macof: and u can't find any.
Must everything that happens be about your book?

Yes, all tins have explanation from d scriptures.

Can't u Christians use common sense to solve problems.

Yes, we do use it but becos of its limitation and tendency to push man to folly, with ability to fail anyday we depend sometin eternal, sure and proven.

Am sure u would need your Bible to complete a puzzle game

dt falls within d realm of common sense. life is more important than puzzle.

GeneralShepherd: Basic question who is the devil?

Of what form is the devil?

does he exist? if yes why do i believe he exists?

Its not a post about d devil. If u want us expose and unveil d devil then open ur own post and ask politely.

If I have proof of his existence? does he have a fone? if yes what network does he use ? Who sold him the airtime he used to sms me?

Read my earlier comment, i beliv d poster is either lying or ignorant but dt doesnt negate d existence of d devil.

anyway long and short of my diatribe is simple...... test everything,subject everything to strict scrutiny

Wat is ur benchmark for testing, wat do u measure it against.

Rendition: Well I really fink ders nufin stopping the devil frm reaching out 2 anybody he wants 2 reach out 2, So d facts still remains dat spiritual or physical mediums of d devil can't be underestimated under his powers may God help us all...Amen

Ds is very far from d truth... He has been striped on dt power. Also kno ds, d devil is not omnipotent nor omnipresence.
Wake up

macof: your username is AJAYI so I assume you are my brother being a Yoruba. And it wud make more sense to use Yoruba words instead of Hebrew words

Ok, sometin lik OLUKO AGBA. Actually God is not in everytin.

D Lioness: u dy tok lik pikin.

elderly man, wat u said is not a contribution. I assume u are a christian, It ends bad when u go around abusing ppl without making contribution. U could help d poster answer my questions then we can talk. Also try give me scripture and verse for all ds lies. Or is the scripture not d final authority again on all issues.

Joagbaje: I have had 2 experiences . The first one happened when minitered to a young woman Several spirits were cast out of her. But I wasn't through with her because it took a long time so we had to take a break to finish up the following day. But the following day ibegan to recieve series of SMS from "THEM" insulting me and warning to keep away from her, that she belong to them.

At first, I thought it was a prank from her, then few minutes before our appointment I began to recieve SMS from her line that I should not deliver her, that she belong to them , Then they said they were inside her phone using it to warn me.. I replied saying christ has delivered her already .her body soul and spirit belong to Jesus .

Now this is the funny part . She came I asked who was sending me SMS through her phone . She said nobody , she said she was only surprised to see SMS from me. I collected her phone . Suprisigngly i only saw my replies. There was no trace of the messages sent from that phone ,Then she said she doesn't even have credit at all since day before . I then took the phone again and checked the balance 0:00 kobo ! . That's my firsts experience .

The second experience I had to send someone else to the person house few block away to call her, she was deeply sleeping yet, I was Receiving warning messages from the phone . This particular person was involved in witchcraft . Checking the phone only my responses were there . Yet ony phone both her SMS and mine are there , even till now

Bro. Pls stop lying online and creating wrong impressions on christianity. Go spend those time u r using to cast out demons on studying God's word. Dt ll help u alot not to ask such questions again. Even a young 12 year old bible student knows better. I wonder in whose name u r casting out, dt demons hav d gut to respond against. U r used to nollywood movies.

With wat u said is happening to u now, who exactly is casting who. U or d devil?

nwuyag: yh, exactly proving my point, then god did not make me, so he has no business with me.

He did not make u, u r a product of His creation. See, denying a fact doesnt change d fact. I hardly argue with ppl resting on science to explain whr/how tins, because Science itself is still in its embryo stage to understand God, can fully understand its stupidity.

what's the "lol" for. if you don't have a good explanation, why not say so instead of fabricating. He did not create siamese twins as you said, but if they sin, then hell fire tnz...rubbish. So, abortion is allowed cos God did. not create them

In all ur explanation, u showed dt u hav been given a wrong teaching, no one goes to hell becos he sins.
U neither need God to kno dt abortion is a crime. Dts another false teaching u got.

I can obviously sense thqt what you are just saying is just a big lie...pls could you give me a short description of an example of this prayer you are talking about.

Ur state wont allow u to understand, its lik explaining calculus to an health teacher. When u r ready to kno i will take u line by line.

Therefore, no need for offerings and tithes in church. what you jst said is sommething you must be decieving yourself if that is how you think 80% off xtians pray

Another false information. U see, tithes and offerings dont hav a place in answered prayers. I dont kno how any other christian think but i kno by d scripture how a christian should think and exactly wat i put up here.

Go tell that to mfm people,...you are telling me this cos i have already told you that I have no problem with material things.......#poor africa

I am talking to u becos i discovered u based all ur judgement on a wrong doctrine u ar exposed to "Material Gospel" and ds exposed several false info and conclusions in ur mind.

macof: ok then ur use of the word "Rabbi" can't make me take u seriously

Well, u r the Rabbi (Master, Teacher) because u told me dt i kno nothing. So my Rabbi talk to me, Lets discuss on point.

manny4life: What's unscriptural about it? During the days of the Bible, was there telephones? Even the demons in the Bible had a way of communicating

Are u saying its true, lets kno whr u stand.

wiegraf: http://www.openbible.info/topics/demonic_possession



Many more here

GOD??!! even takes some time to possess a donkey



Don't get me started on snakes and fires, or any other of the claims in the good book (eg resurrection and fish).

You accept a book of fairytales written over 2000 years ago by people who thought rain was a result of sprinklers being turned on by skydaddy, which contains more fantastical nonsense than the op's claim mind you, as fact, yet you have a problem with the op? Does that not strike you as hypocritical?

You do realize that texts can at least be sent, we can objectively verify that text messages work, and can show you how they work etc. Actual possession of other human beings? Not so much. No one has ever objectively demonstrated possessions, yes? So his tale is actually more credible than those of outright possessions. Devil simply need buy a nokia and he's set troll for souls, no need to possess.

And actually, his claim is inspired by said same jewish storybook you subscribe to, so why are you complaining? Looks to me like he's being a good xtian.

Bro, his claim doesnt hav a root in d word of God. Actually u sef has demonstrated how far u r from understanding the same bible.
See, ur claim doesnt make the word of God false or more true. Ur claims daily, only expose to me how much of it u need to truly understand all u think u kno.

Reyginus: Like I replied the other dude, does it mean then that one cannot accept a portion of what another says?

Bro, half lie is a lie, half truth is a lie. So u hav to either b here or thr. He asked "Can demon send text messages". Ok bro, Yes or No?.

My stand is clear. Can angels send text message too?

macof: a Nigerian practising Judaism?

I dont practise religion, i m a christian.
U still havent answered me.

k2039: There are laws that govern prayers, if you must achieve results, then you must be ready to play by the rules.

If you chose to go against the rules and you don't get results, it's not because the rules (in this case Prayer) doesn't work, it's because you violated the principles governing the result.
Go through my whole post again.

Thank God u agreed prayer works. Then dont say " prayer works and doesnt work" because shows dt all tins be equal prayer may not work sometimes.

Reyginus: From the other sentence you should have seen that the agreement was only partial. You didn't get that?

Bro, partial agreement is more dangerous than disagreement, We need to b clear whr we stand either here or thr. d poster wont be helped if we chose to sit on d fence.