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Black Peni5: Why do you call it dark when it originated from one of the Greatest Jewish, Christian and even Muslim Prophet of all time.

U ar yet to give prove Pastors use SBoM, now u released another claim. Can u giv proves to ur claims or u r just living on dem say dem say. Why not focus on ur career (which ever one u do) whr u can defend ur professions wit facts than engage in wat u dont even understand.

Bidam: Very true..How can some one who is born again commit such in the first place.
Also very true.She as an adulteress with an unconfessed sins can't be right with God here.She married a man's wife and sinned against God and her conscience.Clear words from Jesus. I can understand adultery from a polygamous point of view,you are making here.Infact God hates it. Ofcos if the children do not repent having a sin nature .How can they receive God's mercy.
Very clear words from scriptures.Even at that if they repent of their misdeeds.God is able to forgive their sins because he is merciful.
@ajayi..Are you satisfied

Yes, absolutely satisfied. U just spoken lik apóstolos epí Nairaland (Apostle on NL) now clarifying stance and errors.

Exo 20:5-6: For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.


its necessary to always take a stand whn d scripture is been used in judging issues. Giving a blanket approval even whn thr ar things to clarify & correct will never help us as Christians. I dont assume ppl know until they clearly explain or they ar tot afterwards.

I dont hav issues wit any posters on NL but whn it relates to d scriptures, it expedient for us to discuss, check its accuracies so dt we mit all learn.

Bidam: @Ajayi..No one is running in circles here. I already told you to pin point the errors of the post.

Is it not strange that no christian in this thread is in support of your stand except you?

If you can't highlight the errors of the OP let us see,then don't waste your time quoting my post.

Sorry, my stands ar not based on others opinion urs mit be.

Since u cant see wats wrong and coutinue to support d Op, i will do u d favor to point it out.

Can u tell us how true ds is as quoted by d Op?

Also, any children given birth trough this medium are caused. Because, the sins of their parent will affect those children. That's why we must keep begging the lord to forgive us for the sins of our father and mother, look at it, what has a new born baby commited that deserve curse? No its the sins of the parent. And children born out of polygamy are cursed and they need to repent of the sins of their parent.

Msgamble: dat is why i pity 'confused christian', OT is nw a Jewish text or law wen it comes to tithe, buh when arguing with muslim/atheist on religion matter it O.T that u run to.. In N.T some convertees gave their all(nt 1/10th) to Apostles to propagate Gospel or feed poor among us(gentiles) levites are pastor,priest(ppl who do GOD's work), Christ was clear wen he says he has nt come to erase any law(inclding ur so-called jewish law)..whether u paid tithe or nt, it will be deducted from ur earnings either by bar,cinemas,credit card, ur car or GF..that is why

Wat about those witout GF but wife? Do thr wives serve as deductions too?

[b]some1 who earned #30thou do meaning things with it than 250k earner [/b

Manytins like wat? Can u list some?

Bidam: And is holiness not a christian doctrine Or is it a pagan doctrine.

Kindly point out the errors in the post,unlike you i don't take a swipe at people.I point out errors in their post if i see one.

U lik running in circles. I kept asking u to tell me ur stand. U shy away when someone mak emphatic error on d scripture just becos u want to b among. If u cant see wats wrong wit d Op, u mak my wonder on a lot of tins about wat stand for. Why cherry pick a whole write-up by d Op and say is holiness bad. Is d Op preaching holiness thr? I s dt wat u hold as holiness?

Dont join in support of bad doctrine just to prove a point to ur opponents. Sins of d father? Jesus Christ!!!

Bidam pls wat do u actually stand for because ur doctrine here ar unstable; Law of d Spirit of Life or Law of Sin and Death!

I need answers from u bro, pls whr do u stand.

Bidam: Am not the ones who made the rules.I can understand your sarcasm.But it is too bad,you and other posters did not post on the topic at hand. And i still maintain my stand on rules of the forum.Thanks.

Why is it hard for u to hav a stand on sometin as critical as ds to Christian Faith? U r talking about rules rules. Do u preach such witchcraft doctrine too. Bro, i will b disappointed in u o.

I really want to kno ur stand witout assuming because i find it hard to believe u support such [size=14pt]simony[/size]

Bidam: The catch is not to use ALL BIG FONTS mr. Newbie. Moreso the big fonts used by me were not ALL.It was used to emphasize and drive home a point. But in ur case ALL ur statements were in giant fonts.

As for you second reply it is clear enough in scriptures that the basic requirement for life in the kingdom of God is personal holiness.

U havent answered yet bro,

The Op wrote

As long as holiness is concerned, whosoever marry a man that has a wife at home already commited furnication with him, even if she has given her life to Christ, she must leave the man alone and get her own husband, else it's hell.
Also, any children given birth trough this medium are caused. Because, the sins of their parent will affect those children. That's why we must keep begging the lord to forgive us for the sins of our father and mother, look at it, what has a new born baby commited that deserve curse? No its the sins of the parent. And children born out of polygamy are cursed and they need to repent of the sins of their parent.
God hate taking another wife, thats why he deal with the king of egypt when he tried to seize abraham wife. God also hate people who divorces their wife and remarry. Mal2:16 God said I hate divorce
one man and one wife not wives
your first wife is your wife, even if she has not bear you children

D Op didnt just mentioned holiness he qualified holiness as described above.

U lept to his defence and i asked u, do u support wat he wrote as been the stand of d scripture? This i want to kno from u.

Bidam: This shouldn't be an arguement thread as stipulated by the OP and you 're making it so,another disobedience of rules.

We can discuss it in so many of the tithe threads "your friends" have opened,posted and argued on.

Ds is not an arguement clearly. I just want to to attest dt u support wat d Op said. I came out clearly dt it is heresy and witchcraft, wat is ur stand? When dt is clear, then i can know wat to do next.

On ur disobeying d rules! I think it ll b a great idea for u to become an Admin. At least u ll hav all privilegde to delete, block or ban me from NL but till then let d admins do thr work and correct, u enjoy being an ordinary member. Tanx.

Gombs: Where in the bible was it stated that smoking is a sin?

Certainly nowhere, but because the society we find ourselves (natural thinking of man) frowns at it, the church frowns at it too( not that a smoker commits a sin, some catholic priests smoke and some pastors too), and so, because we are taking Christ to the world/society, we abhor it too that we may win many to christ

So applies to polygamy,

Agreed, we chose to abstain from all ds not becos they ar sins but so as to gain many. But ds view is absolutely diff from d Op view who claimed (biblically) curses on every polygamous family. He should be corrected not supported. Ds type of message causes problems in ppl's homes.

Bidam: Rule.11.Don't create distracting post by using giant fonts.

Why don't you skool urself properly concerning the forum rules before posting.Rules are rules, and you are breaking them here.You look like a newbie.

You are insulting the OP by uneccessary distractions just because you don't agree with his opinions.

BRO OLDIES PLS FORGIVE D NEWBIES

Bro, try help urself to be sincere in ur judgement, mayb dt will help u to see some things clearly.

U r condeming big fonts & reference Rule 11 of which i hav seen u used severally. Here https://www.nairaland.com/1511293/wedding-tithes-wahala-church/1#19440479 u didnt condemn but rejoiced wit a NLder because u share same opinion despise him using big fonts. Here https://www.nairaland.com/1189741/tithes-offerings/94#19186959and here https://www.nairaland.com/1494951/speaking-tongues#19151330 u made use of d same big font.

Bidam, i love tacking issues at hand not building issues from previous disagreements. Bro, since u r a Christian, lets talk on d issue at hand sinc d Op based his arguemnet on d scripture, mayb u can show me how rit d Op, dt is wat i appreciate. Tanx.

Bidam: And how is it heresy or witchcraft mr.ajayi.You either spend money on ur lust or you spend it to propagate God's kingdom.There is no 2 ways about it.The poster said it based on his understanding of present day realities.Let him be abeg.

Bro, can u check wat he (Msgamble) wrote again as i quoted it below

[quote author=Msgamble:]hw xactly is ur lyf better? If u fail to deduct tithe from ur income 1-way or d other it will b deducted either by ur GF,bar or illness..bware, Abraham,David,Solomon etc all pays tithe even some convert in N.T gave their all(property n blongings) to Apostle for Evangelising(cos Apostle moves from one state to another), common u couldn't give 1/10th, i pity u[/quote]Pls, i want u (@Bidam) to reply me. Are so saying u r in agreement wit wat he wrote? Dt ds is a present day reality of God's people?

highyo: As long as holiness is concerned, whosoever marry a man that has a wife at home already commited furnication with him, even if she has given her life to Christ, she must leave the man alone and get her own husband, else it's hell.
Also, any children given birth trough this medium are caused. Because, the sins of their parent will affect those children. That's why we must keep begging the lord to forgive us for the sins of our father and mother, look at it, what has a new born baby commited that deserve curse? No its the sins of the parent. And children born out of polygamy are cursed and they need to repent of the sins of their parent.
God hate taking another wife, thats why he deal with the king of egypt when he tried to seize abraham wife. God also hate people who divorces their wife and remarry. Mal2:16 God said I hate divorce
one man and one wife not wives
your first wife is your wife, even if she has not bear you children

[size=16pt]Wats all ds? Who sent u? U better stop such[/size]

Msgamble: hw xactly is ur lyf better? If u fail to deduct tithe from ur income 1-way or d other it will b deducted either by ur GF,bar or illness..bware, Abraham,David,Solomon etc all pays tithe even some convert in N.T gave their all(property n blongings) to Apostle for Evangelising(cos Apostle moves from one state to another), common u couldn't give 1/10th, i pity u

This is heresy and witchcraft at its peak.

Gombs: [size=16pt] AMP:Obey your spiritual leaders and submit to them [continually recognizing their authority over you], for they are constantly keeping watch over your souls and guarding your spiritual welfare, as men who will have to render an account [of their trust]. [Do your part to] let them do this with gladness and not with sighing and groaning, for that would not be profitable to you [either ] [/size]
Hebrews 13v 17


Nice decision...if u mention church name, imagine the bashing the church would have....imagine the insult the priest would get....fraudster, scammer, thief, etc

Let's just leave it as a tithe paying/ teaching Church...but Op, here is not the right place to discuss this, u said u have been there all ur life, from ur childhood...u could have met other priests, or deacon or something, if u are not convinced wifh what they tell u, u can then quietly leave the church without stiring strife or recourse.

But my advice is...submit to those who have authorithy over you in the spirit....as the author of Hebrews said above...if they are wrong, that verse said they will give account...just pay yhe said amount and [size=14pt]move on[/size]...if u can pay the money which am sure u can, why the publicity then? The author above said, it will not profit u

Mellin: pls what do I do?cos I really don't understand my priest ..

I agreed fully wit u to go ahead and mak d payment if dt is whr he chose to hav his wedding (u hav 2 obey d principles thr).

But on d MOVE ON, I think it should b "ESCAPE FROM SUCH PLACE AFTER D WEDDING" without causing division, quarrel or backbiting. because if dts a doctrine/principle in such church, it will still come appearing time and time again and u wont b able to stand and say ur mind against a church doctrine because dt will can lead to division and strife in such place (nah left foot of fellowship go follow o).

But seriously, wit d way u come on NL to talk about ds, ur mind is not really in dt place "again". If u r learned in d scriptures and not just going to dance in church, follow d leading and understanding givin to u by d Spirit and act likewise.

But from experience, i can suggest dt:

1. If u r convinced dt ur priest/pastor has been and u still trust he remains a blessing to u all thru, dt u can uphold him as "God sent" even in his errors then walk up to him and explain ur mind wit all respect and humility, dont insist but agree in submission to do wat d church stands for (ds require lot of wisdom) but possible. Then continue thr in submission.

2. If u kno dt ds wont allow u to regard him (priest/pastor) again, then bro, pack ur load after wedding and find a place of worship b4 u become a rebel and disobey authority.

Bidam: You don't get it do you I don't pastor any church.You do.Now tell me who the fraudster should be? Definitely not me.

christemmbassey: Bidam repent and forsake this fraud, u know d trust.

@Bidam and @christemmbassey. Pls i implore u to let ds defamation of personalities and use of strong words cease. Pls stop harming yourselves. Ds wont edify or make no one better but can affect d way d outsider sees d Christians on NL.

Tanx.

Gombs: It is only christembassey that is insulting people here, using wrong words etc. Call him to order...wht he is doin is scriptural, but which monies does he want CAN and PFN to use if not tithes and offerings?...the OP has lost the chance to get my free willed donation to his 'noble' cause

Ds thread was resurrected from Dec 2012. Dts a yr after.

I believe dt d motive of bringing up ds thread again not for edifying but to prove a point and bring shame on d Op. Thats why christemmbassy and Bidam hav been in heated exchange of words. I implore 2 of u guys should cool down and settle ur differences. because u dont agree on a doctrine doesnt mak d other a lesser christian, so pls let all bitterness b removed.

Tithe or no tithe, PFN, CAN, NL Christians, all churches can do well in helping fellow Christians anywhere.

Black Peni5: Funny boy...Even Acidiosis who you were attacking said and I quote "The book is demonic" besides, he is not the only one saying it....Clearly you done have a point of view and you have nothing to contribute.

Well, i m not attacking him, i only request for evidence (a name/clips). Dts 2 back his claim and i m still waiting. U can contact d " people" 2giv u evidence at least one of ur people should hav one prove, then we can talk. But 4now u r only relying on wat u heard during ur teenage.

Also, No pastor will be stupid enough to make a video of himself conjuring powers from a book when it will destroy the impression he's creating for his congregation...Thus your request for a video is Silly to say the least.

And ur own claim is baseless. Is dt how u go around gossiping about wat u dont kno? U do follow follow on dem say dem say wit out a single evidence. Be mature in ur claims so dt u wont end up bad wit all unproven info u carry about.

Gombs: Who did?

Read d thread again...we've done all the above..mi adviced him to go on his knees n I also offered to donate d 1k

This is not an idea, tho I wanna donate , if it was, CAN, PFN etc would have thought abt it. He doesn't really care abt the poor or the church thr...if he did he would have shown us efforts he has so far instituted before the OP..efforts like letter he wrote to PFN or CAN or how much he has given, or something...

It is just in case he finally decides who he wants us to pay it to

Judas also said he wanted to help the poor

I wanna give the 1k free willed

Bro, i believe u kno dt d way ds thread is going is already getting into carnal discussions, abuses and use of wrong words. U, me and nobody ll b edified lik ds at d end of d day. Its no more doctrinal issues dt are bein discussed, its now personalty attack on both sides.

If wat he s doing is not scriptural then we can point dt out 4discussion but if its scriptural, irrespective of d Op personalty, we shouldnt compare or point out his disagreements on other places in d scripture to judge his post. Giving is an explicit doctrine of d believer so lets talk on d Op not d personalty of d posters.

Black Peni5: Bros...it's not about calling names or giving videos. even if you see all the videos in the world, you will still believe whatever you want.

I only asked for just one name/clips not all d video in d whole world. If he cant provide one then i wonder how he got such claim.

My only questions on this issue is that, if Moses was a prophet of God and the book was actually written by him. Then why do people classify it as demonic?

Well people will answer dt if u can see "people".
I believe no body stopped u from using it or teachin from it so why are u bothered about others. Is lik sayin why is people saying we shouldnt take much sugar since sugar is sooo sweet. Well no one stopped u from taking it all d time.

So, wat u asked is not a question but a quest for ur ambitious self.

Chuksemi: You will not understand. Untill it happens to you.

True talk. Until dt happened to him.

Gombs: Who did?

Read d thread again...we've done all the above..mi adviced him to go on his knees n I also offered to donate d 1k

This is not an idea, tho I wanna donate , if it was, CAN, PFN etc would have thought abt it. He doesn't really care abt the poor or the church thr...if he did he would have shown us efforts he has so far instituted before the OP..efforts like letter he wrote to PFN or CAN or how much he has given, or something...

It is just in case he finally decides who he wants us to pay it to

Judas also said he wanted to help the poor

I wanna give the 1k free willed

Bro, i believe u kno dt d way ds thread is going is already getting into carnal discussions, abuses and use of wrong words. U, me and nobody ll b edified lik ds at d end of d day. Its no more doctrinal issues dt are bein discussed, its now personalty attack on both sides.

If wat he s doing is not scriptural then we can point dt out 4discussion but if its scriptural, irrespective of d Op personalty, we shouldnt compare or point out his disagreements on other places in d scripture to judge his post. Giving is an explicit doctrine of d believer so lets talk on d Op not d personalty of d posters.

Why turning d Op post to tithe discussion. The man was clear on wat he tot necessary, we only need to agree, disagree or giv advice. Becos d Op doesnt believ in Tithing or attack some ppl on tithing doesnt mean he cant come up wit ideas on how to contribute money to help ppl and i never see him writing dt u should send him d cash. and definately, helping others is never an offence in d scripture.

Lets try to be open minded in dealing wit issues. Both d tither or non tither hav other ways of giving and dts d way d Op called on (free will giving).

Acidosis: Nah.. I can't give names..

and showing you a video clip is almost impossible..
They use the book in hidden places in their closets...and then come out to the congregation in suit, tie and bible to perform magic (the so called 'miracle').

Most of them got their power from that 7 book of Moses and other magical books..

Do I need to say, the result of seeking such powers is usually brutal not only in Hell but here on earth..
It could lead to permanent insanity, instant death..

Some of your Pastors and Prophets know exactly what I am saying.


Back then in the 90s, we used to see and watch magicians, seers etc... I even remember the Abracadabra show way back on NTA...
But where are all these men (magicians) today? LOL..

Look around Lagos, you'll find them in your Churches...

Bro, if u dont hav evidence of wat u say then stop saying such. U hav no prove, no source of d info u have.
If u can giv us at least one name/d video clips for ds claim then we can listen to u. Till then, just go about ur own biz not others.

Thanks.

obi alfa: There is no contradiction. We had our own thing. African traditional gods which you can see. Then colonisers came with their own imagination of a god that doesn't exist. Somehow, fools like you abandoned the real visible gods for the inexistent one.

There is no god. All imaginations.
There are many african Gods that are visible.

And oh!, I am a very proud servant of Satan.

Hmmm, visible gods? Lik wood. stones. I chose to be a fool to dt.

Thank u, i hold steadfastly to my savior (Jesus Christ). Do hold to urs too.

Acidosis: a very large percentage of Pastors and Prophets use this book!

Can u give us names and video clips?

obi alfa: Ok let me give you simple answers:
1. there is no god.
2. our African Gods are not bad. They have been labelled evil by the colonial conqueror and the slaves accepted.
3. i have never seen such a pile of bullshitte stack up on one book. The more I read the bible, the less I believed until I finished reading it and had a serious discussion with myself.
4. no. there's no god.

Mayb u really need to rethink ur No 1 and 2 becos they ar seriously in contradictions.
Why not just tell d Op who u serve.

MonsieurCoder: All this babble and not even an attempt to answer the any of the o.p. questions, yahweh would be proud of you.

Thanks, i hope u r proud of urself too. Appreciate ur concerns.

italo: Show me where we claimed we are to beg Mary to Jesus so that we can have access to the Father.

Do u want to deny dt u guys pray to Mary.

Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners,
now and at the hour of our death.

Who do Mary pray to since she prays begs on ur behave (u sinners). Hop Apostle peter prayed ds too?

italo: ...that she learned at the apostles' feet. Prove it from the Bible.

U ar just lost in ur lack of study of d bible or human doctrine tot u.
If Mary is not part of d gathering at d upper room on d day of pentecost, if mary is not part of d assembly recorded in Acts who were tot by d Apostles then i can tell u dt ur Mary did backslide then because every one in early church learnt from d Apostles, Mary included.

italo: On the other thread, I cant remember you telling where 1Cor3:15 is talking about and where 1Cor15:29 is talking about.

To help ur memory, i ve reposted our conversation on d other thread and my reply.

ajayikayod:

To help u from running away from all u r bein asked, lets assume u r correct dt 1 Cor 3:15 is purgatory (so it exist). Ar u ok?
Now We can look at my early post and apply ds too, or u can answer otherwise.

From ur claim on purgatory as d location of d fire trial, dt means Paul, Mary (ur beloved mother Mary), Ur Popes hav all been to d purgatory. If i draw further on ur believe dt d purgatory is meant to clean some sins. That means Paul, Mary, Popes hav all suffered thr becos definately no one is absolutely righteous (pure) in obeying d law.

Was Paul in purgatory?
Was Mary (ur beloved) in purgatory?
Was All ur Popes (Visible head) in purgatory?
U, how long do u think u will burn thr with d way u ar going?


italo:
1Cor3:15 doesnt mention that everybody will suffer loss and be saved as through the fire.

Indeed, v14 shows that some will receive their rewards immediately, without any loss or hassles.

Mary and the Saints (known and unknown) fall into this Category.

As for the Popes, just like the rest of us, some of them are certainly Saints, the others could be Saints, in purgatory or in hell.

Maybe you can help tell us where the dead in 1Cor15:29 are.

ajayikayod:

Please can u show me dt in d scripture dt Mary and Paul didnt go to purgatory? D bible say all will be tested. Where? U said its purgatory. By d function of d Law, Mary and Paul arent pure by ur standard. D whole church was called saints in d scripture. Whether they received reward or not is another thing, d major info here is dt Mary and Paul also were in ur purgatory


italo:
Not all people will be tested, but their works which is judgement.

Afterwards, some PEOPLE (Saints)will receive their rewards immediately without wahala(Heaven)

Others will be saved o, but they will suffer loss and it will be as if they passed through fire.(purgatory)

Where are the dead in 1Cor 15:29?

When will you ever answer a question?

ajayikayod:

U r not answering wat u r asked. Lets finished ds one on 1Corith 3:15 b4 moving to another scripture, stop jumping around.

1 Cor 3:13-15, D bible says all work will b tested by fire (including Mary/Paul, u and me works). Where is ds test carried out? Wat is d name of d place? Earth, Heaven, Hell, Purgatory or wat?

italo:
Still awaiting the first answer you'll ever give me.

Without that, I will only answer you if/when I feel like.

Do u see how unstable u ar to discussions? U r on 1 cor 3:15 now, next minute u r on 1Cor 15:29. Dont run away from 1 Cor 3:15 we are discussing, when we finish dt we ll treat d other.

U r d one avoiding questions, if not, complete 1 Cor 3:15. (Paul, Mary etc did suffered in purgartory since they can b perfected by self works). Explain why they cant suffer and others will. I also asked u, sinc i dance to ur tune of purgatory exist, tell me d name of d location whr ds test of works is carried out since every man's work is tested.

When we ar thru wit 1 Cor 3:15, i m available for next scripture u hav. For us to b runing from one scripture to another asking diff questions witout solving first is waste of time.

italo: The bold is a lie, isnt it?

So judge who lied, if not u.

macof: the bigger fool is here

It doesnt bother me whn ppl lik u call others fools. D only trick u hav is using ur mouth to abuse others. Can sometin good actually come out of dt mouth?

Mayb u should start buy telling urself good tins first then u ll realise how much u ve missed by b filled wit hatred.

I m sure u were never brought up lik ds, its when u chose to descend to such life u live now dt u become bitter laways.

macof: Sin is nt part of anybody's nature. If that's what u read frm ur Bible, then it's false.

According to ur Christian doctrine: anybody who doesn't believe in Jesus is damned to hell, a baby doesn't have the opportunity to accept Jesus.
That means a dead baby goes to hell.

if u still can't find the stupidity involved in christianity then u must be stupid

My friend, u definately dont kno wat u ar talking about. U r lik a kindergarten student trying to understand meaning of words. Just try and kno ur alphabets first then u can count words.

italo: Not all people will be tested, but their works which is judgement.

Afterwards, some PEOPLE (Saints)will receive their rewards immediately without wahala(Heaven)

Others will be saved o, but they will suffer loss and it will be as if they passed through fire.(purgatory)

Where are the dead in 1Cor 15:29?

When will you ever answer a question?

U r not answering wat u r asked. Lets finished ds one on 1Corith 3:15 b4 moving to another scripture, stop jumping around.

1 Cor 3:13-15, D bible says all work will b tested by fire (including Mary/Paul, u and me works). Where is ds test carried out? Wat is d name of d place? Earth, Heaven, Hell, Purgatory or wat?

italo: Why are you unable to answer my questions yet you ask more questions.

You never answer questions, even on the other thread.

What are you scared of?

U always look for a way out by refusing to answer ppl. It shows how little u put to studying d scriptures.
All questions u asked me here and other thread, i answered. If u r not sure ask me again and u shall recieve so dt ur joy mit be full. All i see in u is a man jumping around wit little or no idea of wat he (was born into)believed in.