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shdemidemi: The moment a supposed man of God says "god told me", he is indirectly saying no one can argue or ask questions or prove me wrong.

Dts not true. Prove all things, hold to dt which is good.

[quote author=Demain_man]I agree with you 100%
I don't bother with Men of god. I bother with God directly[/quote]Bro, do u hav an assembly (Christian gathering) whr u fellowship regularly?

Gombs: Oh Dear Lord Jesus!


Gen 6 TLB

1-2 Now a population explosion took place upon the
earth. It was at this time that beings from the spirit world looked upon the beautiful earth women and took any they desired to be their wives.
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4 In those days, and even afterwards, when the evil
beings from the spirit world were sexually involved with human women, their children became giants, of whom so many legends are told.


Nevr knew spirits have mums and dads and that they were born on earth!

Thanks for your time! I think I'm done here.

God bless y'all

Bro, picking a translation dt suit ur claim isnt enough for justification. Ds is d reason we hav access to d original letters. Does d word sons of God (bene 'elohim) translate to evil spirits? Is God an evil God. Will d bible call Satan friend of God? or demons sons of God?

Hop u kno dt d interpretation of sons of God to mean fallen angels in Gen 6 was latently extracted from Book of Enoch.

Let the scriptures interprete itself, dont assume meanings or justify by putting up a single translation without checking d stand of d scriptures on issues.

I ve told u, when u r ready we can hav indept discussion on this.

uchkochi: THE BREAKTHROUGH POWER OF TITHING.

The Tithe is 10 percent of your increase, whether it is income, salary, profit, gifts, whatever it is, as far as it increases you; the tithe belongs to God. God gave you 90 percent and the additional 10 percent belongs to God. Many people are robbing God, no wonder the struggle continues. You cannot be wiser than God. How can God intervene for you when you are robbing Him in tithes. Many of the problems we go through are not satan inflicted, they are disobedience-inflicted. You broke the law, so the devil has a legal ground to attack. Malachi 3:10. The tithe is the LORD'S. He gave you that money thinking you will give Him 10 percent. He has an accurate amount of how much you are owing Him. You are not to give your tithe to help the poor, you are to bring it to God, through a church or a ministry. What you give to people or the needy is different from the tithe.

Paying your tithe secures the remaining 90 percent from wastes that leads to regrets. God also opens more doors of opportunities and ideas to get wealth when you tithe. If you owe God and you can pay up, pay up now. But if you cannot pay up, if it is too big or you can't remember the figure, repent and decide to begin to tithe from now and give a restoration seed to mark a new beginning in your financial life. Whatever God gives you, don't call the 100 percent as your own, 90 percent is your's, 10 percent is God's. So if your income is 10,000; 9000 is your's 1000 is God's. The tithe is God's part that makes the remaining meaningful. God has nothing to lose when you rob Him, you are the one that have everything to lose. Receive grace to be a consistent, tireless, regular, faithful, joyful, cheerful tither in Jesus name. The more you tithe the more you handle money so you can tithe more. Just decide to change and grace will come. Be blessed in Jesus name. BB PIN IS 2739F228

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Christians blessing and cursing mataaaaaa.

OLAADEGBU: "I don’t feel guilty"

People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption. The way to resurrect a deadened conscience is to go through each of the Ten Commandments, reminding the person that they know that it’s wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. [b]Always preach the Law along with future punishment, then pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon them and cause them to be convicted of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come.

Great work bro. I just seems not to get d target audience of d preacher. Ar u referring to Christians or unbelievers. I think the bolded above wont change anyman. A seared conscience wont b moved by ringing d Law bell because he already kno d consequence and most times for unbelievers, he s held in bondage of such sin. Only d gospel of Christ and deeper revelation of Christ grace can lift a man out of such mess.

IF U KNOW HIM, U WILL LOVE HIM.

Gombs: Ajayi Kayode




Answer these, you the only folk keeping me here o!

Pls gv me a reason to stay

D question of the Sons of God will b a derail of d present issue on ground, we can discuss it else whr as chosen by u.
Bro, i dont appreciate answering bullet points because they dont transmit adequate knowlegde and study of d answerer but just to let u kno my stand, i will giv u short answers.

Oya quick quiz...Gen 6 said "the sons of God saw that
the daughters of men were attractive n took em as
wives

1. Pls, were those guys born of Women? Yes

2. Were they no part of humanity? They were

3. Were they 'Born on earth'? Yes

If u think otherwise we can study through.

Kenny4lyfe: Tithe is "given" as well dude! Accept that now and rid yourself of nightmares!

Scripture and verse, pls? Atleast let me b sure i m talking to a diligent Christian.

Kenny4lyfe: Oh! Your small mind can't phatom how blessed I'm! And do you know why? Uh!
BECAUSE I FAVOUR GOD's RIGHTEOUS CAUSE!!!!
You dig?

Oh! thank God u r blessed. Hop u r not calling for party on dt and i hop its not a surprise to u because all believers hav received God's blessings.

Ur response all tru in ds thread kept me wondering. Those who tithe and those who dont here are sharing scriptures from extended studies they had, all u could do here is post pix and put ajassa. U should b on facebook, they ll lik u more there. Here? talk from d scriptures, we ll appreciate. Tanx.

Kenny4lyfe: Your uniqueness problem is you and your fellow antithiters never accept defeat! Keep shooting yourself in the foot. God is watching you in 3D!

I think d goggle on ur eyes always see TITHE anytime u read d word GIVE in d scriptures.

U amazed me here o.

[quote author=ajayikayod:]Great, agreed. But dt support for new creation leaders doesnt mean tithe.[/quote]

Kenny4lyfe: You just shot yourself in the foot buddy! Ouch!

Does it now seems so hard for u 2kno dt ppl support and giv in church without tithing? Ar u so deep in it dt u cant giv without requiring to be rewarded for it? Do u as new creation understand wat it means to honor ppl who labor over u without demands, reward or monitoring from them?

Bros, i wonder how much u would hav continually demanded of God for every of ur penny u give tithe in church.

Gombs: Dint you read Melchizedek was never born?

Oya quick quiz...Gen 6 said "the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were attractive n took em as wives



Pls, were those guys born of Women?
Were they no part of humanity?
Where they 'Born on earth'?

The bible verse above said "Lived" ...Melchizedek 'Lives' not 'Lived'...

Don't be like Goshen na, punching the air!

King James Version (KJV)
Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
Without [record of] father or mother or ancestral line, neither with beginning of days nor ending of life, but, resembling the Son of God, he continues to be a priest without interruption and without successor.

The Message (MSG)
” So, he is also “King of Peace.” Melchizedek towers out of the past—without record of family ties, no account of beginning or end. In this way he is like the Son of God, one huge priestly presence dominating the landscape always.

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
We are not told that he had a father or mother or ancestors or beginning or end. He is like the Son of God and will be a priest forever.

Gombs: Pls provide me with a Book chapter and Verse pls

However, Jesus said


Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist.


He said AMONG THOSE not CERTAINLY ALL MEN ARE...what does the phrase "AMONG THOSE" mean to you?

Obviously Jesus knew not all men were born of women

New Living Translation
"I tell you the truth, of all who have ever lived, none is greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he is!

Living Bible (TLB)
In all humanity there is no one greater than John. And yet the least citizen of the Kingdom of God is greater than he.”

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
No one ever born on this earth is greater than John. But whoever is least important in God’s kingdom is greater than John.

The Message (MSG)
“Let me lay it out for you as plainly as I can: No one in history surpasses John the Baptizer, but in the kingdom he prepared you for, the lowliest person is ahead of him.

Several more.

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I believ d question is not for d church, its for d outsider. So d church (which member i am) cant answer dt becos we will not be around then.

Bidam: 1 Corinthians 9
13 Do you not know that those men who are employed in the services of the temple get their food from the temple? And that those who tend the altar share with the altar [in the offerings brought]?

14 [size=16pt][On the same principle][/size] the Lord directed that those who publish the good news (the Gospel) should live (get their maintenance) by the Gospel.

14 In the same way the [size=16pt]Lord has given orders[/size] that those who preach the Gospel should be supported by those who accept it.(TLB).

1 Timothy 5:17
Living Bible (TLB)

17 Pastors who do their work well should be paid well and should be highly appreciated, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching.

Great, agreed. But dt support for new creation leaders doesnt mean tithe.

Msgamble: dat is why i pity 'confused christian', OT is nw a Jewish text or law wen it comes to tithe, buh when arguing with muslim/atheist on religion matter it O.T that u run to.. In N.T some convertees gave their all(nt 1/10th) to Apostles to propagate Gospel or feed poor among us(gentiles) levites are pastor,priest(ppl who do GOD's work), Christ was clear wen he says he has nt come to erase any law(inclding ur so-called jewish law)..whether u paid tithe or nt, it will be deducted from ur earnings either by bar,cinemas,credit card, ur car or GF..that is why some1 who earned #30thou do meaning things with it than 250k earner

Was d all given under compulsion, obeying of laws?
Bro, i pity u. He dt put his faith on bein blessed by doin d requirements of d law should be prepared to receive d curse from such law anytime he misses d mark. Hop u r ready for d curse?

aiyeboy: LAST sunday was wonderful in my church, as the pastor told the who congregation NO PREACHING TODAY..............
he told us to open to gen 3, and we should read then the men should defend adam, that he he is not to be blamed,women to defend eve that she is not to be blamed and the youth also should defend the serpent that ITS not guilty so guys i guess its cool if we also trash it out here.......
to me i beleive the serpent wasn't guilty because IT was just carrying out its normal daily activities, and u would help note in that chapter that IT never told eve to eat it all IT said was if u eat from it u shall know the truth.
so pals lets rub minds together and bring one out as the most guilty.
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Did u really say Church?

Gombs: Why are you even asking me whether I'm a Jew or a levite?
Told you I tithe in the faith of Abraham, is Abraham a Jew or Mechizedek a levite?

I'm just glad viewers see a perfect example of how folks recycle posts and already answered questions!

I won't reply to any other recycled question!

Bros, i chose to b passive because u mentioning dt Mal 3 referred to New Creation is not sincere enough and it is a failed argument. But whr i can cross wit u is u mentioning u tithe in faith lik Abraham. I ve asked u over and over whr its recorded dt Abraham payed tithe in faith? U said He did all in faith except marrying another wife. Thats a blanket and untrue statement.

A good study will show u dt Abraham walked in doubt, walked in fear several times and had to b reassured by God from time to time. He isnt a superman but a man of like passion as we are.

Lik i hav told u earlier, Abraham givin to Melchisedek is not a demonstration of faith/doubt but of honour. If d lesser is blessed by d greater, d greater ought to be honored by d lesser not in faith but in appreciation. Its so clear dt Abraham wasnt expectin 2reciev because of d tenth but he gav (honored him) because he s already blessed.

I really dont push 4u to swallow my stand but i asked u do more study wit a sincere heart to see givin as demonstrated in God, in Christ, in early Church. Ds ar who we should imitate in our giving.

Gombs: hello Goshen, i dont distribute the rest 90% because it is free willed...if i like i will, it is my choice to give it out, it was Abraham's choice to give his out, me i might decide to give mine out, simple thought



yeah, he was blessed by God before the tithe, question is who taught him about tithing? now, that is what i call a man of faith. same as Drummerboy can not tell me who taught Abel how to give an offering, and how he did it in faith. it is surely not a coincidence that he gave tithe to a high priest as Melchizedek and 400years later, Moses adopted tithing too.

Abraham was already a blessed man before he met Melchizedek, go and study.

heb 7v6 But this person who has not their Levitical ancestry received tithes from Abraham [himself] and blessed him who possessed the promises [of God].

He met a man who did something significant (go study it too), bringing bread and wine for their nourishment, Why? the bible said because he was a priest and that the lesser is blessed of the greater, what then made Melchizedek greater?...and [size=14]Abraham did something, in faith (because that man did all he did in faith)[/size] he gave a tenth, not 90%, not 50%, but 10%... question is,

D issue is still saying Abraham pay tithe by faith. U r yet to tell me how he did dt by faith. Faith dt wat? He ll be blessed or wat? If u hav a pastor, do u giv to him by faith or to honor him. Wat do u think, d givin done in early church (Acts) and giving to Paul are they by faith or to honor them?

ajayikayod:
Most times whn ppl hear some believers talk about "tithe is done away wit" they think such believers ar selfish and dont want to giv to God. Dts absolutely not true. Since i ve left tithing i ve not given less than half of my income to honor God and support d church becos i ve come to discover dt all dt i hav is from him and for him.

LambanoPeace: but that is the sad truth...if not, why would they wanna discourage others from giving. would it be right for you to discourage those who wanna give? wouldnt it seem like they dont wanna give that is why they attack those who do?

Bro, may some, not all. At least i kno many honourable givers.
Truly no one is discouraging others not to GIVE. God gave, Jesus gave, Paul gave, the early church gave, so why will a Christian not giv (be imitator of God as dear children).
Wat is been discussed is d way we giv, how giving is to be as seen as done by God, Christ, Paul and d early church. How giving should b to honor God but not a condition to collect from God. The opposition comes whn we claim dt a believer dt doesnt giv ll b curse or wont get God's blessings. Dts a requirement of d Law.

If i preach dt a believer is made righteous in Christ and not under d Law anymore, does dt mean i m telling Christians to go and b sinning as against dt Law? No, we ar saved and made righteous as such we should not live in sin. Not d other way round as believing its whn u dont sin dts whn u r called righteous. i dont sin becos i m a righteous son of a righteous God hence has d ability to do His Will by d Spirit.

Same as givin here, d doctrine of dont pay tithe is not against givin as some twisted it to be, it about dont give on requirement/condition to be bless but as d Lord gave (Freely hav u recieved, freely u should give).

The act of faith is not about i giv and i hav faith dt God will provide for me on ds ground. No, its about i hav faith in God as my provider so i can giv all i hav becos i kno He is faithful to provide.
D diff between d two is so thin dt it takes an abadonment to His Word by His Spirit to walk in such faith.

Tanx Bro.

God bless you[/quote]

jefips: There is a striking question,that people are scared to answer,
If you don't mind me asking you, gentlemen and ladies,
If you die tonight where would you spend. Eternity,

HEAVEN OR HELL,

Decide and answer the question at your own time and to God,
If you are not sure please ask God and also search the scriptures to know,

God bless you

Great question bro, eternity is real and certain.
Just to point out, as d church, judging by d present state of man, we kno who is heaven bound and those that ar hell bound. Verrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyy clear in d scriptures. Dts why we preach so as to save many (hell bound) and bring them to Christ.

Tanx Bro.

LambanoPeace: Wow Gombs, i must say av lrnt alot from the abv.i almost got swayed to stop tithing some time ago when some other NLders kept stating it was wrong and it is done away with, now i know clerer...and you are most right when you said you would let viewers judge for themselves on which road they want to thread on... that is enough wisdom than getting into arguements and maybe it will get personal.

i for one has learnt a thing or two and as i got to learn tithing by faith, i usually tithed because others did, now i know better. whether tithing is abolished on not, i will be on a safe side because i will pay my tithes in faith and accurately.


and i just followed you, God bless you sir.

Bro, glad for the progressive insight u recieved.

Dt u kno now dt u "giv-tithe-by-faith" is the first step to bein liberated from conditional givin as preached in most places. Dt s d first decision i made too over 12years back whn i recieved clarity about tithing doctrine.

I decided to b givin-it-by-faith since its a form of givin and i dont want to be left out of its blessing lik u put it (be on d safe side). But few year later i got greater light to discover wat i kno today dt i giv to God to honor him not wit my tenth but as much as is required to meet the church needs and to bless others (dt cant be ur tenth, dts almost ALL if not ALL as practiced by d early church (Acts)).

Most times whn ppl hear some believers talk about "tithe is done away wit" they think such believers ar selfish and dont want to giv to God. Dts absolutely not true. Since i ve left tithing i ve not given less than half of my income to honor God and support d church becos i ve come to discover dt all dt i hav is from him and for him.

I always tell ppl around me dt, if u r facing serious financial challenges and d 1st tin that come to ur mind is "God should make a way BECOS u pay ur tithe or give in church or ds challenge come because i didnt pay tithe" then u r still far from understanding how to recieve from God. We reciev becos He loves us.

In conclusion, glad once again for ds progressive knowlegde u recieved Bro, dt faith has come into ur giving and now u can stand & reciev b4 God not becos u r better but by Faith in His Word.

Gombs: What part of THE MAN DID ALL THINGS IN FAITH you didnt understand? hey, i am not here to convince you, im just here because of the viewers of this page...they can pick the truth for themselves.

Every part o. U mentioned it and i asked u to show me whr someone gave tithe by faith. A believer got promoted in life, his pastor blessed him and God for his life, he then gav gift to honor his pastor and u called dt act of Faith. Bro, that is called HONOR. Abraham honored Melchisedek, not in expectation of anytin by faith as we should honor those who hav rule over us but not under compulsion or tithe (compulsory monthly wages).

In as much as d viewers can be blessed by wat we share now, u dont hav to refer to dt in our discussion. We are sharing scriptures, lets focus on dt and probably reach a meaninful conclusion. D whole matter is not about convincing u but to push to study (wit open mind) more and more ds doctrine. The Holy Spirit convince by d Word and dt is wat i m refering u too and i will always do.

not interested in discussing mal 2...

mal 3 fulfilled and revealed by Peter by the help of the Holyspirit

wrong...they are the new creation folks

I appreciate sharing d scriptures intoto. We cant neglect d beginining of things and cling to d end. The prophecy in Mal 3 started from Mal 2 but u neglect dt.

God has laid down principles, faith is not what u use to get stuffs from God, it is what u use to please God..the only thing u could use. if you follow his laid down principle for something in faith, you will surely get that thing. for example, there are many ball games, if u want to prosper and be rich, u gotta find out what the bible said about financial prosperity. like i said there are many ball games, you cant use volleyball rules for football, nor can u use basketball rules for tennis... folllow his principle and you shall have what that principle says...if u want salvation, he has a principle on how u can get it...u have to follow that principle, else forget it

Bro, u summed it up in d bolded above. The only rule, principle, law existing now with God is FAITH. Whether its basketball, volleyball, football as u mentioned. I dont recieve from God becos i giv, God gav me, so dt i can give. he showed up how to give by givin all (Christ) unconditionally. I giv to honor men of God, i giv to honor d church becos i ve been blessed by God.

I LOVE HIM NOT BECOS HE SAID I MUST BUT BECOS HE FIRST LOVED ME.
I GIV TO HIM NOT BECOS HE SAID I MUST GIVE BUT BECOS HE FIRST GAVE ME AND SHOWN ME HOW TO GIVE.

refer to my above posts

and for clarity sake, i dont intend to argue...i know you ae convinced on ur stand, and i am, i can never stop tithing, and you probably never will tithe..let us just leave it at that, and let the viewers of this page decide on which part the wanna thread.

and hey, tithing is not a weightier matter in Christianity..you guys make it look like it is all and all in tithing Churches

Lik i said earlier, i m concern about u first, then d viewers.
Tithe not weighter matter? I hope every tithe collector can see this and apply it in thr church because it seems to be the weightest tins ds days.

Gombs: But there is offerings by faith, yet no tithing by faith...you dey try o



Pls show me any place in the NT bible or OT bible where ANYBODY condemned tithing...don't worry I can wait for your answer.

Even when Heb 7 shows you Abraham's tithing to melchizedek in plurality...question is how many folks physically tithed to Melchizedek in the bible?

And you are here saying there is nothing as tithing by faith...who are the other ones that made Abraham's tithing plural?








Keep thinking..Hezekiah had a latter day innovation Moses and Aaron couldn't think of



See comedy










What about Cain and Abel? Who taught them about offering?

What about Abraham, God asked for the son he Abraham loved

What about Noah, God asked him to take clean animals in sevens, male and female and unclean in pair (two only) male and female...you think God didn't knw noah who He(God) described as a perfect and just man would wanna offer him a CLEAN animal?

What about Jacob, etc

These men had faith! They knew what they should do. Abel for instant, who thought him to offer the best?




Abraham's tithe...was it farm produce?



Why then don't you free willingly give your tithes? If it were to be free willed, why then did he say they rob him? It must have BEEN a MUST for God to say folks rob him of it, by not bringing it, no?

You see how you shoot yourself in the foot?



When folks ministered to Jesus with their substance after he taught and healed,

1. Is that not an offering? abi na collection? ok, what was the purpose those folks gave JESUS their substances (money, food, perfume,yam, gucci shoes, ray ban glasses etc)?
2. Were the monies given to any suffering folks in any place?(now i am not saying it is wrong to give to the poor) I thought Jesus had a treasurer who kept the monies n all?



But you give your offerings in what? As a favor to God OR IN FAITH? Or as something everyone does?

Without faith it is impossible to please God, without faith your offerings or tithes or prayers or worship or whatever would NEVER please God

Bros, so u believed in tithes according to Mal 3.
So Christ blood is not enough to nullify d curse of d tithe law (lik Joagbaje said). Bro, if ds is wat christiabity is, then we ar of all men most miserable. But praise be to God, Christ paid it all. I giv to honor him lik Abraham gav to honor Melchisedek, lik Christ gav to d church to honor d Father.

Dont be entangled wit d snare of tithing becos in it lies blessing and cursing, a man dt live by it will b justified by its obligation. We hav been justified fully by Christ by faith. I m not blessed becos i giv, i giv becos i m blessed!!

Gombs: The man Abraham did all he did in faith...remember he left his family and followed a God he has not seen nor heard of..Gen 12, is that not faith?

The only thing he did outta faith affected his seed and still is...and that was following Sarah's idea

Bro, we ar talking about faith here not. In Gen 12, a word (promise) was giving and he followed by faith.
But on giving tithe, u r still to show me whr Abraham tithe by faith. U placed ur claim on assumptions dt he did all in faith, which is not tru. If u follow d events by which he tithe u ll kno d following in sequence.

1. Abraham won a war and brought back spoils of war
2. Several kings come visiting becos of d great deliverance Abraham has experienced (unique victory)
3. Melchizedek as king and priest of MH met him and celebrated wit Abraham (brought bread/wine), definately not to collect share.
4. "When departing" He blessed Abraham afterwards Abraham gave him tenth of all (spoils). (note: italized text my own emphasis)

I giv a simple scenerio here.
A fellow believer experienced a breakthrough which call for great celebration. We all travelled thr to rejoice wit him, "d representativ of church" came across him too. Definately before they depart, he will want to bless d believer (Heb 7:7; d less is blessed of d better). He blessed him and in return d believer chose to offer him sometin, he chose to giv him 10% of all d spoils.

Was this a show of faith or a show of honor?

The new creation folks...we are a Royal Priesthood...same as Mechizedek is (notice I didn't say was)

Did you read that Mal 3 at all? The refined priests give the sacrifices...they do the offering themselves, they (new creation folks) are ALL priests...

KEYWORD is .. REFINED

d reason i didnt bother much about Mal 3, u quoted is becos i want u 2go back and start d reading from Mal 2 mayb u will get wat was bein discussed.

To help d study u can compare ds

Zac 13:9; This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them;
I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The Lord is our God.’”

1 Pet 4; you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

vs 9; But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy.

The refined people ar synonymous to praising God.

And by d way, its safer not to point to Mal 3 in discussing tithes not related to d Law. Becos i want to believ u kno believers ar not blessed on personal conditions.

All forms, monetary, physical and spiritual

Did melchizedek burn Abraham's sacrifice?[

I think d question should b, did Abraham offer sacrifice to Melchizedek?

Gombs: I'm not suppose to be on this thread, but...

1. We tithe because we are of the faith of Abraham

2. He tithed to a priest of SAME order of priesthood as Jesus hence tithe is an eternal principle because the priesthood we belong to is forever

... And that our faith is of Abraham, who tithed IN FAITH to a to a Priest of same order Jesus is of, an order which is eternal. Hence tithe is eternal, so is offering!

Bro, pls i m trying to kno whr in d scripture dt showed dt d tithe Abraham gave was by faith, infact i could recall in Heb 11:17 dt Abraham offered Isaac by faith (a sacrifice not for cleansing but for worship).

Secondly, according to d scriptures who ar d present day priesthood of God and since Levites priesthood dont pay but collect tithes, who then do d paying and who do d collecting in d present day church.

V3 and 4

3 He will sit like a refiner of silver, burning away the dross. He will purify the priests/sons of Levi , refining them like gold and silver, so that they may once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the LORD. [/b] 4 Then once more the LORD will accept the offerings brought to him by the people of Judah and Jerusalem, as he did in the past.


When that Messiah comes, He will refine the Levites (Levitical priesthood).Go study what he meant by refining the levitical priesthood "so that they can once again offer acceptable sacrifices to the lord".
Let me just help you cos you won't go study

The Messiah Jesus will also purify those around Him:
Like fire, He will burn away the impurities of the priests. Like soap, He will wash away their uncleanness ( Deuteronomy 4:29; Isaiah 1:25; Jeremiah 6:29-30; Ezekiel 22:17-22. The priests will then be able to offer sacrifices in righteousness (from a pure heart.)

The sacrifices u mentioned above, do they referred to physical gifts, monetary offerings? If u preach ds sacrifice to b physical gift then i think sometin is still missing to complete d offer and dt tin is d fire to burn d sacrifice (money, gifts).

Joagbaje: Of course the bible makes it clear that the blood of christ is mans atonement. Jesus fulfilled that in his death. So animal blood is of no significance anymore. It was for cleansing of flesh only and not the spirit But Jesus blood has to do with the spirit.

Hebrews 9:13
For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

Well, going thru d scripture, i can point out dt not all animal sacrifice were done in light of wat u mentioned.

Gen 8:21; Noah offered a burnt offering not for cleansing of flesh but as worship unto God, Abraham did same too at God request (Gen 22:2-14) not for cleansing.

Why cant i do the same too today (Since Noah/Abram did by "faith" in worship or thanksgiving (giving) to God not for cleansing. Why did God wants it in terms of money (tithes) now not animals?

Jesus did not fulfill tithe . And there's no single scripture in the bible that condemns or indicate an end to tithing

Secondly, to stay around ur claim, u agreed dt d blood of Jesus brought righteousness hence salvation to man, thr by recieving d promise pf d Spirit. I will lik to kno, does ds salvation we received includes all of God's blessings? If no, then wat and wat is not included? If yes, then can u tell us whr a Christian stands in Mal 3:10 on d blessing and curses of tithes?

ayoku777: @Alwaystrue

I understand your view point very very well. You believe Christ came to show us how to obey the law of God the way he intended. That we couldnt keep the law as perfectly as God wanted, so the Father sent Christ. But thats not true.

People kept the law. The young ruler said in Matthew 19v20 -ALL THESE THINGS HAVE I KEPT from my youth up. Paul also in Philippians 3v6 -touching the righteousness which is in the law, BLAMELESS.

So people kept the law and obeyed it perfectly. Paul said he was blameless. In other words if it was a demand in the law, it was kept by Paul. He had no loophole. He loved the Lord with all his heart, he loved his neighbour as himself, he didnt bear false witness, he didnt covet his neighbours whatever. No blame by the standard of the law. Yet he counted them as dung v8. We don't need Jesus coz we couldnt keep the law perfectly, we need Christ coz the law was a shadow of Christ and His love. Jesus doesn't help us keep the law perfectly. He is the reason we dont need the law again. People kept the law perfectly and were still imperfect before God.

For by the DEEDS OF THE LAW, there shall no flesh be justified in his sight (Romans 3v20 and Gal 2v16 and Gal 3v11). Whether you obey the law or not, it wont justify you. Coz it was a shadow of Christ and his love. If i hand you something, you cant receive it from my shadow.
The law cant justify us at all. We dont need Christ coz we couldnt keep the law, people kept the law. We need Christ coz his love is the reality of what the law presented in shadow pictures.

This is the part you're finding hard (i wont say impossible) to agree with. That we dont need the law again is far fetched to you.

Glory! Glory!!. God bless u Bro.

Joagbaje: Tithes and offerings are eternal principles . They existed before the levitical priest hood.
The kindom of God has many principles. Tithes , offering , alms giving ,fasting , prayer , worship etc. these principles had been there before the law or levitical priesthood.

Christians are not tithing just because the law say so. But rather because it's a principle . If you don't believe in tithing you should not believe in offerings also. Let's worship God with empty hand.

Tithes? Not according to d scripture Bro,

Animals sacrifices pre-date d law too, infact pre-date Abraham. Was performed by Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Prophets, was performed for Child Jesus.

If d reason u pay tithe is becos its eternal principle and pre-date d Law, why dont u offer animal sacrifices too? We kno God accepted dt too from many. Apostles never mentioned not to do it also.


Its better we thread cautiously not to be entangled again by dt which Christ has made us free.

Evil Brain: You are married once you've said the words and signed the marriage contract. The church ceremony is purely cosmetic. People had been getting married long before Christianity was invented. What your fiancee is saying makes no sense.

I suspect that married life will be difficult for you. If I were you, I would very carefully before committing to spending the rest of my life with someone who refuses to think rationally and does whatever she likes regardless of my opinion.

Ur name speaks volume.

Bidam: Absolute trash and ideologies of men.

Ok follow your heart abeg..Moreso this thread is not for argument. I am sick and tired of repeting myself all over again.Check other tithe threads for answers to ur queries.

In as much as every believer ought to be givers, u and me know wit all sincerity dt d doctrine of tithes as preached in churches today has been taken beyond Christian giving.

Whether its called 1th, 10th, or 20th or Allth, my stand is we give not on conditions (as used in tithes messages) but becos He first gave, tot us how to giv and wat i giv today is to honor him.

Bidam: And wat are the commandments of God a christian should follow concerning marriage

Or did it not occur to you that godly offsprings comes from stable marriages and godly homes that are centered on Christ as the foundation

As pointed out earlier by a poster on ds thread (IN D BEGINING IT WAS NOT SO). Dts d word of Christ, d mind of God and dts wat i stand for.

But if a polygamous unbelieving man got saved today wit all his family members, he is accepted in d beloved wit all dt belongs to him, thou dt mit place a restriction on d level of role he can take in d church. But he is saved and can learn and instruct his family in d way of d Lord.

I differed from d Op whn he wrote (bolded):

As long as holiness is concerned, whosoever marry a man that has a wife at home already commited furnication with him, even if she has given her life to Christ, she must leave the man alone and get her own husband, else it's hell.
Also, any children given birth trough this medium are caused. Because, the sins of their parent will affect those children. That's why we must keep [size=13]begging the lord to forgive us for the sins of our father and mother, look at it, what has a new born baby commited that deserve curse? No its the sins of the parent[/size]. And children born out of polygamy are cursed and they need to repent of the sins of their parent.
God hate taking another wife, thats why he deal with the king of egypt when he tried to seize abraham wife. God also hate people who divorces their wife and remarry. Mal2:16 God said I hate divorce.

Its clear in d scripture dt a child wont carry d sins of his parents except he follows in their ways, hence by partaking of their sins, share d consequence. A man born again today is free from such curses becos he has chosen d way of d Lord, he s been accepted in d Beloved. U CANT BE BLESSED AND BE CURSED AT D SAME TIME.

Exo 20:5-6:visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

D child has a choice, though could be greatly affected by upbringing, yet God will make available all resources to enable him choose LIFE outside whic he owns d consequence of his decisions not his parents.

IN SUMMARY

When he is Blessed in Christ, He is free from Curses.

Black Peni5: Lol...I did my research and I shared my result with links....Thankfully, other wise men in this forum have also shared their experience.

Can u giv us results of ur research? I only asked 4 clips and names, u r yet to giv one and u claim u did research. If u r sure Pastors use it then it means u ve seen one b4, why is it hard 4u 2then giv us fact.

Everyone can google lik u do, post a link and claim they hav done research. I wonder d relevance of d link u posted to u caliming pastors use it 4miracles.

The question here is not whether Miracle Pastors use the book or not. The only question here is if it is justifiable.

Dont put d cart b4 d horse. U hav to prove 1st dt its been used b4 u can question whether its justifiable. So giv facts on d use.

If u attend a Miracle Church, that is not my business and this is not the place to defend your Pastor.

Mr, the Church Christ founded is a Miracle Church and i m a proud member of d Body. So if u point finger to pastors to use other means, i m not questioning u, i only asked for evidence to show. But till now u hav non. So why discuss wat u dont even understand or seen b4.