Empiree:
Nope, it is not binding at all. Umar, in a few cases, ruled the saying of talaq three times in one go as final and annulled the marriage. But he would also flog such men as deterrent punishment. This helped in curbing instances of saying talaq at one go. Certainly, Umar's practice was not a Sharia law. His step was rather an example of hukm al-hakim, or an executive order. His annulment of marriage in cases where men said talaq three times in one go was an exercise of the discretionary power of a ruler. Such executive orders are applicable to particular cases and do not have the status of Sharia law or general rule.

Surah Al-Maeda, Verse 47:

"... and whoever did not judge by what Allah revealed, those are they that are the transgressors."

ASHURA FASTING IS AN ABANDONED FASTING

 Why would Prophet Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa ahli take the word of the Jew for legislation? Is there a record for it in their Torah that Prophet Musa fasted on Ashura?

"And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the Lord brought you out from this place; there shall no leavened bread be eaten. This day came ye out in the month of Abib."[Exodus 13: 3 - 4]

Apart from the fact that there is zero confirmation of this fasting in al-Furqan (The criterion, Quran) or a revelation to the Prophet to validate it despite the detailed account of Prophet Musa in the Quran, the month of Abib of the Jew had never (or will be) synchronized with the Arab’s month of Muharram. Therefore, it is a myth or misinformation of the Jew to the Prophet that such fasting was being observed in Arab's month of Muharram, and it's called Ashura. Furthermore, Allah says concerning the Jews and their scripture:

"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture.  And they say, “This is from Allah,” but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know "[Ahl-Imran: 78]

Apart from the fasting of Ramadan which apparently made fasting of Ashura an abandoned fast, Allah declares in the same surah al-Baqarah:

"Never will the Jews and the Christians be satisfied with thee (Muhammad) unless you follow their form of religion. Say (O Muhammad)  'The guidance of God, that is the (only) Guidance.‟ Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which has reached you, then you will neither find protector or helper against God” [Baqarah: 120]


This cast a lots of doubts and arguments about the truthfulness of the fast of Tas’ua and Ashura.  So for the sake of argument, if at all the Prophet once fasted Ashura for what the Jews claimed, then this command (and the command of fasting of Ramadan) truly render this "Jewish practice" abandoned.

If because of the statement, "We have more claim over Moses than you”, fasting of Ashura was established, then why cant the Prophet also embrace the day Manna was sent from heaven as Eeed[*] after all Prophet Eesa is more closer to Islam than Christianity?

[*]: Sura al-Maidah: 112 - 114



COMMANDS OF THE QURAN

Quran further states in another early Madinan surah:

 "He it is Who sent His Apostle with the guidance and the true religion, that He may make it overcome the religions, all of them, though the polytheists may be averse”[sura Saf: 9]

Indeed fasting of Ashura, if truly the Prophet ever enjoined it, became an abandoned fasting so also is its purported virtues. Imam Bukhari documents the interpretation of "abandon " of Ashura fasting by a Sahabi:

Narrated Ibn `Umar:


The Prophet (s) observed the fast on the 10th of Muharram ('Ashura), and ordered (Muslims) to fast on that day, but when the fasting of the month of Ramadan was prescribed, the fasting of the 'Ashura' was abandoned. Abdullah did not use to fast on that day unless it coincided with his routine fasting by chance”.

Source: Sahih al-Bukhari 1892
In-book reference  : Book 30, Hadith 2 
http://www.sunnah.com/bukhari/30/2


We are therefore obliged to ask, why the yearly campaign of this abandoned practice? To revive an abandoned practice is nothing but heresy.

Empiree:
that's it. It is hypocritical. Those men do that to get rid of her asap with hope of getting another woman quickly and skip responsibilities

Though you are right, but do you know the 2nd Caliph was the person that legislated it? So, it is either binding to follow him or reject him.

Lukgaf:

It is the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to fast on the 9th and 10th of Muharram. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him used to fast on the day of `Ashura’. When he came to Madinah, he found out that the Jews of Madinah were also fasting on this day remembering Prophet Musa (peace and blessings be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) admired this tradition and said to the Jews, “I am closer to Musa than you are.” He fasted and he also told his Companions to fast on this day.

Later, before the end of his life, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) told Muslims to add the 9th day also. Thus, it is recommended to fast on both the 9th and 10th of Muharram.

EXPOSING THE REPORTS ON ASHURA FASTING

1. Imam Muslim documents:

A'isha (r) reported that the Quraish used to fast on the day of 'Ashura in the pre-Islamic days and the Messenger of Allah (s) also observed it. When he migrated to Medina, he himself observed this fast and commanded (others) to observe it. But when fasting during the month of Ramadan was made obligatory he said: He who wishes to observe this fast may do so, and he who wishes to abandon it may do so"

Source: Sahih Muslim 1125 a
In-book reference  : Book 13, Hadith 143  http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/13/143

 
2. Imam Muslim documents:

Ibn Abbas (r) reported that when Allah's Messenger (s) came to Medina, he found the Jews observing the fast on the day of Ashura. They were asked about it and they said: It is the day on which Allah granted victory to Moses and Bani Isra'il over the Pharaoh and we observe fast out of gratitude to Him. Upon this the Messenger of Allah (s) said: We have a closer connection with Moses than you have, and he commanded to observe fast on this day."

Source: Sahih Muslim 1130 a
In-book reference  : Book 13, Hadith 162  http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/13/162


OBSERVATION:

# If we infer from the hadith of Umm al-Mumineen Aisha that Prophet had been observing Ashura fasting since his time in Makkah with the pagan Quraysh ever before his Prophethood, then this will grossly contradict the hadith of Ibn Abbas which showed the Prophet's naivety of Ashura fasting and its importance.


CONTRADICTORY HADITH THAT BLEW UP THE WHOLE STORY

Imam Muslim continues his documentation:


Ibn 'Abbas reported that when the Messenger of Allah (s) fasted on the day of 'Ashura and commanded that it should be observed as a fast, they (his Companions) said to him: Messenger of Allah, it is a day which the Jews and Christians hold in high esteem. Thereupon the Messenger of Allah (s) said: When the next year comes, God willing, we would observe fast on the 9th But the Messenger of Allah (s) died before the advent of the next year"

Source: Sahih Muslim 1134 a
In-book reference  : Book 13, Hadith 172  http://www.sunnah.com/muslim/13/172


 This hadith which claimed Prophet died the following year he commanded the fasting of Ashura, clearly suggest he might have spent 2 - 3 years in al-Madinah. This  is contradictory to established facts of 10 years he spent in al-Madinah.


* If we however suggest that this command and complaint (of the companions) about Ashura fasting was on the 9th or 10th year of Hijra (migration to Madina) that the Prophet entered al-Madinah; therefore, he died the following year – 10th or 11th year,  then it render the previous ahadith of Aishah, Jabir et al useless since they claimed fasting of Ramadan (established in 2nd year) made fasting of Ashura abandoned or optional.

* There is absolutely no suggestion in this hadith that there was a time difference between the command of Ashura fasting and the complaint of the Sahabah. Even if we fabricate a gap period, the question is what made the complaint of the Sahabah and the Prophet’s realization so late for about 8 - 9 years?

 The fact that Allah has declared in the 1st or 2nd year of Prophet's arrival in al-Madinah:

"Never will the Jews and the Christians be satisfied with thee (Muhammad) unless you follow their form of religion. Say (O Muhammad)  'The guidance of God, that is the (only) Guidance.‟ Were you to follow their desires after the knowledge which has reached you, then you will neither find protector or helper against God” (Baqarah: 120)
 
So, neither the Prophet nor the Sahabah will be heedless of this verse. The valid conclusion is that both the command and complaint as expressed in the hadith took place in the 1 - 2nd year of Hijra. And the fact that the hadith later claim the Prophet died the following year collapse the whole pack of lies about the Tasu'a and Ashura fast.

Cheers01:


I'm sorry but that is wrong.

Research shows that unsafe abortions occur more in countries that do not legalise abortion.

Furthermore, your muslim countries are very secretive about their numbers when it comes to such things.

Even in America, it has been shown that liberal states that have sex education automatically have less teen pregnancies than red states that do not teach sex education.

# I'm glad you stylishly agreed that rate of abortion is higher in your role modeled western world. Therefore, trying to fool the fools that "teaching sex education" prevent unwanted pregnancy and abortion is CNN and fox news, the two leading lying agencies.

# You can only result to propaganda and mythical talks that "Muslim countries are very secretive about abortion rate". You obviously do not have any fact.

On the contrary, abortion rate, rape and sexual abuse which is at high level in the western world is very low in Muslim world because their young ones get married earlier

# America is your role model not mine. Using it as reference is lame. And by the way, U.S. is the worst nation on earth in terms of morality.

Rashduct4luv:

 6.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him to lead the prayers in his stead at the end of his life, when he fell sick with his final illness, and he rebuked those who objected to this and said, “Tell Abu Bakr to lead the people in prayer.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 683; Muslim 418.

The bulk of hadith on Abu Bakr's lead in Salat were reported by 'Aishah, and Anas. Other narration from others are carbon-copies of the two.

However, going through ALL these narration expose lots of contradiction, falsity and unimaginable claims and inconsistency in these ahadith.

On one hand, some hadith claims Abu Bakr led people in Salat, other hadith claimed he never led any Salat that before he even started, the Prophet took over. Yet, some hadith claim Prophet named Abu Bakr to lead the Salat, other says the Prophet rules ANYONE can lead the Salat.

Yet, some hadith claim Abu Bakr even led the Prophet himself in Salat, some hadith says it was the Prophet who led, and Abu Bakr was behind him; other ahadith even claimed Prophet NEVER came out to join the Prayer till he died. An inconsistent narration like these is never accepted as valid prove.

It will be cumbersome in this reply to present ALL of these ahadith. The following however will be presented where readers can see fatal contradictions:

1. Imam Ibn Hibban (d. 354H) records:
'Aisha: Abu Bakr led the people in Salat while the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, was in the congregational row BEHIND him.

'Allamah al-Albani comments: Sahih

And, Shayk al-Arnaut concurs: Its chain is Sahih upon the standard of al-Bukhari.
Source: Sahih Ibn Hibban, vol. 5, p. 483, #2117



2. Imam Tirmidhi (d. 279H) also documents:
'Aishah:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, performed salat in a sitting posture BEHIND Abu Bakr during his fatal illness."

'Al-Albani comments: Sahih
Source: Al-Jami al-Sahih al-Tirmidhi, vol. 2, p. 196, #362



# ON THE CONTRARY

3. Imam al-Nasai (d. 303H) records:

'Aishah: The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, ordered Abu Bakr to lead the people in Salat."

She said: The Prophet, peace be upon him, was IN FRONT of Abu Bakr, and he performed the salat in a sitting posture while Abu Bakr led the people in salat and the people were behind Abu Bakr.

Al-Albani comments: Sahih
Source: Al-Mujtaba min al-Sunan, vol. 2, p. 83, #797



WAS ABU BAKR EVEN QUALIFIED TO LEAD PEOPLE IN SALAT LET ALONE THE PROPHET?

"O you who believe! Do not lead in front of Allah and His Messenger, and fear Allah.." {Q. 49:1}

Imam al-Mubarakfuri (d. 1282H):

"...it is NOT correct to lead in front of him (the Prophet) in Salat or in anything else, whether due to an excuse or otherwise."
Source: Tuhfat al-Ahwazi bi Sharh Jami al-Tirmidhi vol. 2, p. 294.


Al-Hafiz also writes:

"...it is NOT correct to lead in front of him, due to the prohibition of that by Allah."
Source: Fath al-Bari Sharh al-Bukhari, vol. 2, p. 146


This renders useless those hadith that alleged that Abu Bakr led the Prophet in Salat.



# PROPHET's CRITERIA OF APPOINTING IMAM IN SALAT

1. Imam Muslim in his Sahih records:

Abu Mas'ud al-Ansari:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "The people should be led in Salat by the best reciter of the Book of Allah among them. But if they are equal in recitation, then the one who is the most knowledgeable among them concerning the Sunnah. If they are equal regarding the Sunnah, then the earliest of them to do the hijrah. If they are equal in the hijrah, then the earliest of them to embrace Islam. No man can lead another in Salat in a place where the latter has authority, or sit in his place of honor in his house without his permission." 
Source: Sahih Muslim, vol. 1, p. 465, #673


2. Imam Ahmad (d. 241H) records:

"Al-Ash'ari led his companions in a salat...So, al-'Ashari said, "...Verily, the Prophet of Allah, peace be upon him, gave us a sermon and taught us our Sunnah, and explained to us our salat. So, he said, 'Establish your congregational rows. Then, the best reciter among you should be your Imam."

Shaykh al-Arnaut says: Its chain is sahih upon the standard of (Imam) Muslim.
Source: Musnad, vol. 4, p. 409, #19680


3. Imam Muslim further records:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:

The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "Whenever there are three persons, one of them should be their Imam. The most entitled to be the Imam among them is the best reciter among them.
Source: Sahih Muslim, vol. 1, p. 464, #672 (289)


# ABUBAKAR WAS NEVER A RECITER OF QURAN

So, who was the best reciter of the Quran? Abu Bakr was NEVER even among the reciters let alone the best. Imam al-Bukhari records:

'Amr b. 'Ali - Yahya - Sufyan - Habib - Sa'id b. Jubayr - Ibn Abbas:

'Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said: "The best reciter among us is Ubayy, and the best judge among us is 'Ali."

Source: Al-Sahih al-Mukhtasar, vol. 4, p. 1628, #4211


# ABU BAKR WAS LED IN SALAT BY A FREED SLAVE

Imam al-Bukhari records: Ibn 'Umar:

Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhayfah, used to lead the earliest Muhajirun and the Sahabah of the Prophet, peace be upon him, in Salat in the Mosque of Quba. Among them were Abu Bakr, 'Umar, Abu Salamah, and Amir b. Rabi'ah."
Source: Al-Jami al-Sahih al-Mukhtasar, vol. 6, p. 2625, #6754

Imam Ibn Abi Shaybah (d. 235H) and Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal also document this hadith.

So what's the fuss as to the alleged Abu Bakr's leadership in Salat if at all its true?!.



 

Rashduct4luv:

 7.
And it was narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) climbed Uhud with Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan, and it trembled beneath them. He said, ‘Stand firm, O Uhud, for there is no one on you but a Prophet, a Siddeeq and two martyrs.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3675.

Why would the mountain of Uhud not shaking when those three musketeers ran away from the battlefield and hide themselves on the mountain of Uhud? Than even ran away so much that he only came back to Madina after 3 days.


 Imam Fakhr al-Razi:

The summary of narrations is that a group of them [Sahaba] ran away and went far away, some of them entered Madina, some of them ran to other districts, but most of them went to the mountain and gathered there. Among those who escaped was Umar, but he was not among the first ones who escaped and he did not run far away, but he remained on the mountain and waited there until Messenger of Allah climbed the mountain! Among those who escaped was Uthman who escaped with two other men of Ansar, their names were Sa'd and Uqba, they ran away until they reached a far place and came back after three days! Then Prophet Said to them: 'You ran a far distance!'

Source: Tafsir Fakhr al-Razi Mafatih al-Ghayb, vol.9, p.52

Cheers01:


Empiree, learn to read and research outside your environment. You need to expand your horizons.


Research shows that societies that teach sex education usually have less teen pregnancies and abortions.

Western world teaches sex education to their teen and that regions have the worst record of teen pregnancy that usually lead to abortion; hence, the need for them to legalise abortion.

Rashduct4luv:

 4. One of Abu Bakr's virtue is that he accompanied the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) during the Hijrah (migration to Madeenah), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“If you help him (Muhammad) not (it does not matter), for Allaah did indeed help him when the disbelievers drove him out, the second of the two; when they (Muhammad and Abu Bakr) were in the cave, he said to his companion (Abu Bakr): ‘Be not sad (or afraid), surely, Allaah is with us.’ Then Allaah sent down His Sakeenah (calmness, tranquillity, peace) upon him, and strengthened him with forces (angels) which you saw not, and made the word of those who disbelieved the lowermost, while the Word of Allaah that became the uppermost; and Allaah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”
[al-Tawbah 9:40]

Sura Tawbah: 40 is NEVER in praise of Abubakar rather it is an exposition of his weak faith.

# Observe how Allah always send His Sakina to the Prophet and the believers:

Surah At-Taubah, Verse 26:


Then Allah sent down His tranquillity upon His Apostle and upon the believers, and sent down hosts which you did not see, and chastised those who disbelieved, and that is the reward ...


Surah Al-Fath, Verse 18:

Certainly Allah was well pleased with the believers when they swore allegiance to you under the tree, and He knew what was in their hearts, so He sent down tranquillity on them and rewarded them with a near victory"


# Sakina - Tranquility is only being sent for a purpose:


Surah Al-Fath, Verse 4:

He it is Who sent down tranquillity into the hearts of the believers that they might have more of faith added to their faith-- and Allah's are the hosts of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is Knowing, Wise"


So why did Abubakar denied of Allah's Sakina in sura Tawbah verse 40?

Obviously there is nothing like iman in his heart to attract sakina.


 

Rashduct4luv:

 5.
And ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed him as the commander of the army of Dhaat al-Salaasil. He said: So I came to him and said, “Which of the people is dearest to you?” He said, “ ‘Aa’ishah.” I said, “Who among men?” He said, “Her father.” I said, “Then who?” He said, “Then ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab,” and he mentioned some other men.
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3662; Muslim, 2384.

Abovementioned hadith of Aisha and Hadith of bird has exposed this polemic hadith. Again, let's quote those ahadith:


1. WHAT AISHA DISCOVERED HERSELF

Imam Ahmad also records:

Abd Allah (b. Ahmad) - my father (Ahmad b. Hanbal) - Abu Na'im - Yunus - al-'Ayzar b. Hurayth - al-Nu'man b. Bashir:

Abu Bakr sought the permission of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, to enter his house, and heard the voice of Aishah, very loud. She was saying, "I SWEAR BY ALLAH, I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT 'ALI IS MORE BELOVED TO YOU THAN MY FATHER AND ME." She said it twice or thrice. So, Abu Bakr sought permission (again) and entered, and reached for her, and said, "O daughter of such-and-such woman! Did I hear you raising your voice upon the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him?"

Shaykh al-Ar'naut says: Its Chain is Hasan.
Ref: Musnad (Cairo: Muasassat Qurtubah)[annotator: Shuaib al-Ar'naut], vol.4, p.275, #18444


2. HADITH OF THE BIRD

Tirmidhi documents:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

"There was a bird with the Prophet (peace be upon him), so he said: 'O Allah, send to me the most beloved of Your creatures to eat this bird with me.' So 'Ali came and ate with him."

Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)

English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3721; Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4087
https://sunnah.com/urn/636010

true2god:
The so-called sunnah is no longer applicable in this modern era. You cannot live the life of an illiterate arab man in this 21st century.

How's Sunnah not applicable in this modern era?

Rashduct4luv:

 3.
I was narrated from Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) delivered a khutbah and said: “Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him.” Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him) began to weep, and I said to myself, “What is making this old man cry if Allaah has given a slave the choice between this world and what is with Him, and he chose what is with Him?” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was that slave, and Abu Bakr was the most knowledgeable of us. He said, “O Abu Bakr, do not weep. Abu Bakr has favoured me greatly with his companionship and his wealth. If I were to have taken a close friend among my ummah, I would have chosen Abu Bakr, but the brotherhood of Islam is sufficient. Do not leave any door to the mosque without closing it off, apart from the door of Abu Bakr.”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 466; Muslim, 2382

There are three points highlighted in the above fake hadith:

1. Abubakar as the most knowledgeable of the Ummah

2. Abubakar as the chosen one

3. All doors should be closed except that of Abubakar


TRUTH REVEALED


1. ALI WAS THE MOST KNOWLEDGEABLE

It is a fact that Abubakar was never knew with knowledge. Therefore, it is an empty word by Abu Saeed al-Khudri saying Abubakar was the most knowledgeable of the sahabah.

Anyway, Imam Ibn Majah documents:

 It was narrated from Anas bin Malik that:

The Messenger of Allah said: The most merciful of my Ummah towards my Ummah is Abu Bakr; the one who adheres most sternly to the religion of Allah is 'Umar; the most sincere of them in shyness and modesty is 'Uthman; the best judge is 'Ali bin Abu Talib; the best in reciting the Book of Allah is Ubayy bin Ka'b; the most knowledgeable of what is lawful and unlawful is Mu'adh bin Jabal; and the most knowledgeable of the rules of inheritance (Fara'id) is Zaid bin Thabit. And every nation has a trustworthy guardian, and the trustworthy guardian of this Ummah is Abu 'Ubaidah bin Jarrah."

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 154
Arabic reference : Book 1, Hadith 159
https://sunnah.com/urn/1251540

While the knowledge of Mu'adh ibn Jabal and Zaid ibn Thabit is specific to certain issue, Ali's knowledge encompass all issues therefore he was the best judge of the Ummah.

# There are several authentic narration from Ali himself which CONFIRM him to be the most knowledgeable of the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet, the two main sources of knowledge.



2. THE CHOSEN ONE OF ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER

Apart from hadith of the bird posted earlier, Umm al-Mumineen Aisha revealed this:


# Al-Hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852 H) states:

Ahmad, Abu Dawud and al-Nasai have recorded with a Sahih Chain from Nu'man b. Bashir:

Abu Bakr sought permission to enter the house of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and heard the voice of 'Aishah, very loud, and she was saying (to the prophet), "I HAVE KNOWN THAT 'ALI IS MORE BELOVED TO YOU THAN MY FATHER."

Source: Fath al-Bari sharh Sahih al-Bukhari (Beirut: Dar al-Marifah Li al-Taba'ah wa al-Nashr, 2nd edition), vol.7, p.19


# Imam Ahmad also records:

Abd Allah (b. Ahmad) - my father (Ahmad b. Hanbal) - Abu Na'im - Yunus - al-'Ayzar b. Hurayth - al-Nu'man b. Bashir:

Abu Bakr sought the permission of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, to enter his house, and heard the voice of Aishah, very loud. She was saying, "I SWEAR BY ALLAH, I HAVE DISCOVERED THAT 'ALI IS MORE BELOVED TO YOU THAN MY FATHER AND ME." She said it twice or thrice. So, Abu Bakr sought permission (again) and entered, and reached for her, and said, "O daughter of such-and-such woman! Did I hear you raising your voice upon the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him?"

Shaykh al-Ar'naut says: Its Chain is Hasan.
Ref: Musnad (Cairo: Muasassat Qurtubah)[annotator: Shuaib al-Ar'naut], vol.4, p.275, #18444



3. WHOSE DOOR WAS OPENED?

"Do not leave any door to the mosque without closing it off, apart from the door of Abu Bakr.” (Sahih Bukhari)


# Imam al-Tirmidhi documents a contradictory hadith:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:

"The Prophet (s) ordered that the gates be closed, except the gate of 'Ali."

Grade : Hasan (Darussalam)

English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3732
Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4097
www.sunnah.com/tirmidhi/49

Imam al-Hakim also documents a more elaborate hadith saying it was Ali's door to the mosque that was ordered to be OPENED while all others should be closed.


DISCOVERING THE TRUTH

The essence of closure of doors that leads to the Masjid was/is solely to avoid people entering the masjid while in a state of impurities (for example, after sex) while ritual bath is not yet performed.

However, the Messenger of Allah made an exception in Ali and NOT Abubakr. Why did we say this?

Quran, surah Ahzab: 33, reads:

"Allah intends but only to keep impurity away all from you, O AHL AL-BAYT, and to purify you absolutely"


# Impurities could be physical or spiritual. The verse above talks about ALL types of impurities.

Al-Tabari recorded with a Hasan (good) chain from Qatadah, concerning His statement {Allah intends but only to keep impurity away all from you, O AHL AL-BAYT, and to purify you absolutely}:

They are an Ahl al-Bayt. Allah purified them from evil, and He gave them a special mercy from Himself.”

Source: Mawsu’at al-Sahih al-Masbur min al-Tafsir bi al-Mathur, vol. 4, p. 126

* Unfortunately, Abubakr was not of the Ahl al-bayt of the Prophet.

Empiree:
Could this imam said this under duress?. Listen to Ashari

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2930035407012758&id=1984023931613915

Obviously he did.

QURAN CONFIRMS ALI'S SUPERIORITY

What Does Qur’an Says

“Verily, Allah CHOOSE Adam, Nuh, the family of Ibrahim and the family of Imran above the worlds. (They are) offspring, one of the other,and  Allah is the All-Hearing, All-Knowing”{Surah al-Imran: 33- 34}


Imam al-Bukhari (d. 256H) in the Tafsir of the above ayah documents:

{Verily, Allah chose Adam, Nuh, the family of Ibrahim and the familyof Imran above the worlds…}. Ibn Abbas said:

“… They are the believers from the family of Ibrahim, the family of Imran, the family of Yasin and THE AHLI OF MUHAMMED, peace be upon him. He (Allah) says: {Verily, the most entitled to Ibrāhīm are those who followed him} They are the believers”

Source: al-Sahih Bukhari (Beirut: Dār Ibn Kathir; 3rd edition, 1407 H), vol. 3, p. 1263

Online Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 3431
In-book reference: Book 60, Hadith 102
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 641
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/60/102

# Were Abubakar, Umar, Uthman part of Ahli Muhammad?

# And whenever Abubakar, Umar and Uthman prayed their salat, it is obligatory for them to recite salat ibrahimiyah and they must say, "O Allah, send salat and salam upon Muhammad and Ahli Muhammad exactly as you have sent salat and salam upon Ibrahim and Ahli Ibrahim..."

What are the salat (praise) that Allah sent to Ahli Ibrahim? Quran list them thus:

1. Superiority above mankind

2. Selection as Imam over mankind

3. Superior knowledge of the books etc


Again, were Abubakar, Umar, Uthman part of Ahli Muhammad?

Rashduct4luv:
Salafi sheik, ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen also shares Shia interpretation that Mawla in the hadith of the Prophet....


But you reject the same Sheikh's assertion of the superiority of Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman to Ali.

# The thread is specific and it's about the meaning of the word "Mawla" in the hadith of Ghadir Khumm.

# And it is very interesting to see that even Ibn Saalih Uthaymeen also admitted that "Mawla" in that hadith means "someone with authority over all affairs".

# Therefore, if the Prophet said, "Whoever I am is Mawla, then Ali is his Mawla".

The question is: was/is the Prophet the Mawla of Abubakar, Umar and Uthman?

If the answer is yes, then Ali is their Mawla. And that settle the case and rubbish all the fabricated ahadith in praise of Abubakar, Umar and Uthman posing them as superior over Ali ibn Abi Taalib.


Unfortunately, this is a hard pill for the Salafis to swallow as it is waajib (obligatory) for them to elevate those three companions over Ali.

So, let's compare the four of them academically in the light of Quran and Sunnah.

Rashduct4luv:

 1. Ali's Son
It was narrated that Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah (who was the son of ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib) said: “I said to my father, ‘Which of the people was the best after the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?’ He said, ‘Abu Bakr.’ I said, ‘Then who?’ He said, ‘Then ‘Umar.’ I was afraid that he would say ‘Uthmaan. I said, ‘Then is it you?’ He said, ‘I am only one of the Muslims.’”
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3671.

Why would Ali ibn AbiTaalib lower himself to "I am only one of the Muslims"? Even you kabiru and the rest of Salafi nation believe Ali to be of the best. Isn't it?

The hadith is too polemic of a report and it is nothing  but Sunni fabrication. It is however a smart move using the name of Ali and his son as narrators.


1. ALI'S THOUGHT OF THE TRIO

If truly that was Ali's thought of Abubakar, Umar and probably Uthman, then why did he also thought them to be liars, sinful, dishonest and treacherous?


Imam Muslim documents:

"...‘He (Umar) said: When the Messenger of Allah  passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah  Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah  had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah  and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that I am true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. I became the guardian of this property..."

Reference : Sahih Muslim 1757 c; In-book reference : Book 32, Hadith 58; USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 19, Hadith 4349; https://sunnah.com/muslim/32/58


NOTE: In a very smart move, Sahih al-Bukhari had erase the word "liar, sinful, dishonest and treacherous" from the same hadith in his own document.
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3094
In-book reference : Book 57, Hadith 3
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 326
https://sunnah.com/bukhari/57/3



2. SAHABAH ARE OF CONTRARY OPINION

# Imam Ahmad documents:

Abd Allah (b. Muhammad b. Abd al-Aziz al-Baghwi) - my grandfather (Ahmad b. Muni al-Baghwi) - Abu Qatan - Shu'bah - Abu Ishaq - Abd Allah b. Yazid - Alqamah - Abd Allah b. Mas'ud:

"We used to say that the overall best of the people of Madinah was Ali ibn Abi Talib."

Ref: Ahmad b. Hanbal al-Shaybani, Fadail al-Sahabah (Beirut: Muasassat al-Risalah; 1403 H)[annotator: Dr. Wasiyullah Muhammad Abbas], vol.2, p.646,#1097


3. HADITH OF THE BIRD

Tirmidhi documents:

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

"There was a bird with the Prophet (peace be upon him), so he said: 'O Allah, send to me the most beloved of Your creatures to eat this bird with me.' So 'Ali came and ate with him."

Grade: Hasan (Darussalam)

English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3721; Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4087
https://sunnah.com/urn/636010

Empiree:
isn't in the same context Nabi Muhammad (saw) was speaking with respect to S. Ali(ra)?.

I guess Sunni downplayed Mawla to avoid exaggeration with regards to S. Ali's position in the hadith

That's why the context in which word with several meaning is used will determine the true meaning of such word.

In the hadith under discussion, the context is "do I not have authority over you than yourself, and that Allah and His Messenger are your Awliyah"?

So, how can Awliyah and Mawla in this context meant "friend and ally"?!

Empiree:
And when "mawla" is used in the context of "mawlana" as a title for a Sheikh, does that mean friend and ally or authority still?

It depends on who you addressed with it. If it is your mate, it denote "friend". If it is your sheik or teacher, it denotes "Master (sayyid)".

# Sheik Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen's Interpretation

In Majmuh' Fataawa we read:

[507] The noble Sheik was asked: about the saying of man if he addressed a king: ((Ya Mawlayi - O My Mawla))?


He (the Sheik) replied: Al-Wilayat is divided into two parts:


First division: Wilayat Mutlaq (absolute Wilayat) and this is only for Allah Almighty is like absolute sovereignty, and Allah's Wilayat in the general sense is universal to everyone. Allah Most High says: [Then are they sent back to Allah, their Mawla, the True one; now surely His is the judgment and He is swiftest in taking account.](al-An'aam: 62)

This made Him the Mawla of these dishonorable people, and this Wilayat is general. But in the sense of a particular meaning, then it is particular to the righteous believers. Allah Most High says:

That is because Allah is the Mawla of those who believe, and because the unbelievers shall have no protector for them. (Muhammad: 11)

... This is a particularized and special Wilayat.


Second division: Restricted or Limited Wilayat. And this is (used) for other than Allah. And for it, there are several meaning. From it, is:

An-Naasir (The helper), and al-Mutawala Lil Umuur (The One in charge of affairs), and as-Sayyid (The Master).

(Pertaining the first meaning - An-Naasir), Allah Most High says:

...and if you back up each other against him, then surely Allah it is Who is his Mawla (Helper), and Jibreel and -the righteous believers...(Tahrim: 4)

(Pertaining the second meaning -al-Mutawala Lil Umuur), He (the Prophet), peace be upon him, says:

[Whosoever I am his Mawla, then Ali is his mawla]


(Pertaining the second meaning - as-Sayyid), he - peace be upon him says:

 "The Wala' is for the manumitted (of the slave)."

And on this, it is alright to say to the king: "my Mawla" in the sense of my master, unless he is afraid of it, he is not allowed to do so.


Source: Majmuh' Fataawa wa Rasaa'il fadhilat ash-Sheik Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen, vol. 3 page 136 - 137


The above Submission is a precise and explicit explanation of various meaning of Mawla (or it’s other derivatives) and it is in the right perspective that even the respected Salafi sheik, ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen also shares Shia interpretation that Mawla in the hadith of the Prophet, “for whoever I am his Mawla, then Ali is his Mawla” is in the meaning of al-Mutawala Lil Umuur – The one in charge of Affairs.

For ages, there had been a great dispute between the Shia and Sunni regarding the meaning of "Mawla" in this saying of our Prophet:

Imam Tirmidhi documents:

Narrated Abu Sarihah, or Zaid bin Arqam - Shu'bah had doubt: from the Prophet (s):

 For whomever I am his Mawla then 'Ali is his Mawla.

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)

Sahih Sunan Tirmidhi, Book on virtues
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3713; Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4078
https://sunnah.com/urn/635920


While Shia consistently maintained that the word "Mawla" in this hadith meant "someone with greater authority over others, that is, a leader, director of affairs", Sunni scholars (except for a very few) insisted that the word in that hadith meant, "friend and ally".

Linguistically, all these meaning (postulated by Shia and Sunni) are correct since the word "Mawla" has several meaning. However,  the right meaning to a word with several meaning has to be determined within the context of its usage.

Shia submission lies in the context in which the sentence was used. For example, Imam Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-‘Asqalani copies this elaborate riwayah of Ishaq
b. Rahwayh:

Ishaq said: Abu ‘Amir al-‘Aqadi – Kathir b. Zayd – Muhammad b. ‘Umar b. ‘Ali – his father - ‘Ali:

Verily, the Prophet, peace be upon him, came to a tree at (Ghadir) Khumm. Then he came out, holding the hand of ‘Ali, and saying: “Do you not testify that Allāh is your Lord?” They said, “Yes, we do.” He said, “Do you not testify that Allah and His Messenger are more entitled to you than yourselves and that Allah and His Messenger are your Awliya?” They said, “Yes, we do”. He said, “So, whosoever Allah and His Messenger are his Mawla, verily this one (i.e. ‘Ali) is his mawla. I have left behind over you that which if you hold fast to it you will never go astray: the Book of Allah – one end of which is in His Hand and the other in your hands – and my Ahl al-Bayt.

Then, al-Hafiz comments: This chain is sahih.

Source: al-Matalib al-Aliyah bi Zawaid al-Masanid al-Thamaniyyah (Beirut: Dar al-Ma’rifah; 1414 H) [annotator: Prof. Shaykh Habib al-Rahman al-A’zami], vol., 4, p. 65, # 3972
https://library.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=325&pid=154669&hid=4075



The context: [ “Do you not testify that Allah and His Messenger are more entitled to you than yourselves and that Allah and His Messenger are your Awliya?”]

Only when this question was answered affirmatively by the Sahabah did the Prophet pronounced:

[So, whosoever Allah and His Messenger are his Mawla, verily this one (i.e. ‘Ali) is his mawla.]

Therefore, to say that the word "Mawla" in the abovementioned hadith is "friend or ally" is tantamount to academic hypocrisy.

Rashduct4luv:


Where is the Shiite's Illah?

You don't LITERALLY ask "Where and how" about the Creator of those entities.


"And He is with you wherever you may be, and Allah sees best what you do." Qur'an al-Kareem.

Imam al-Sadiq (alayhi salam) was asked by Abu Ja'far regarding Allah's verse in the Qur'an: "And He is Allah in the heavens and in the earth", to which he replied, 'Yes, similarly He is in every place.' I [Abu Ja'far] asked, 'In His essence?' Imam replied, 'Woe betide you! Verily places are subject to limits and boundaries, so by your saying that He is in a place in His essence, you are in fact compelled to say that He is contained in objects which are subject to measurement and size. He is, however, distinct from His creation, entirely encompassing what He creates in Knowledge, power, control, authority and dominion.

Source: al-Tawheed, p. 133, hadith no. 15
http://lib.eshia.ir/11008/3/323

https://www.aqaed.com/book/135/twhid1-09.html

....YET, SOME FANATICS HAVE GIVEN HELL FIRE CERTIFICATE TO ALL MUSLIMS


# INTERCESSION

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 255:

"...who is he that can intercede with Him but by His permission?..."

 Imam Ibn Majah documents:

‘Awf bin Malik Al-Ashja’i said: “The Messenger of Allah (s) said: ‘Do you know what choice my Lord gave me on this night?’ We said: ‘Allah and His Messenger know best.’ He said: ‘He gave me the choice between admitting half of my nation to Paradise and intercession, and I chose intercession.’ We said: ‘O Messenger of Allah, pray that we will be among its people (the people for whom you will intercede).’ He said: ‘ It is for every Muslim.’”

 
Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4317 Arabic reference : Book 37, Hadith 4460
https://sunnah.com/urn/1294200

Imam Tirmidhi also documents similar hadith: https://sunnah.com/urn/677470



# INTERCESSION ALSO WORKS FOR THE DEAD

Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani Ibn ‘Abbas (RAA) narrated, ‘I heard the Messenger of Allah (s) say, "If a Muslim man dies and a group of forty people, who do not associate any one with Allah, pray for him, Allah will accept their intercession for him (by way of their Du’A for him.” Related by Muslim.

Reference : Bulugh al-Maram 558
 In-book reference : Book 3, Hadith 26 English translation : Book 3, Hadith 582
https://sunnah.com/bulugh/3/26

WHERE IS ALLAH: SALAFI'S DOUBLE STANDARD

It is very hypocritical the way many commentators have interpreted certain verses but left others in their literal meaning to suit their aqeedah.

Salafi's aqeeda is "Allah is in or above the heavens", "And The Beneficient Lord rose over the Throne."

All these verses are treated LITERALLY by the Salafi. And they understood 'A'la - High or above" as "Height", and do not agree with "Status".


However, salafi chose to interpret and give meaning to below verses, rather than leaving it to their "literal" mantra which Salafi claim:

Surah Al-Mujadila, Verse 7:

....He is with them wheresoever they are...

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 115:

And Allah's is the East and the West, therefore, wherever you turn, there is Allah's face; ..."

These verses suggests that Allah is literally EVERYWHERE with EVERYTHING. Had Salafi leave all these verses in their literal meaning, it will clash with their literal "above the heaven" or on the Throne LITERAL claim. Hence, Salafi hypocritically interpreted these verses to "knowledge of Allah" while maintain that His Dhat - Essence - is above the heaven, over the Throne.



ALLAH HAS NO PHYSICAL OR IMAGINABLE PLACE HE RESIDES

AND HIS "ABOVENESS" IS NOT OF HEIGHT, BUT STATUS

He is the First and the Last, the Outward (al-Zahir) and the Inward (al-Batin). He has knowledge of all things." (Quran 57: 3)

Al-Tirmidhi (d. 279 AH) records the Prophet’s exegesis of the verse:

Abu Hurairah narrated that:

Fatimah came to the Prophet, asking him for a servant. So he said to her: ‘Say: "O Allah, Lord of the Seven Heavens and the Lord of the Magnificent Throne, our Lord, and the Lord of everything, Revealer of the Tawrah, the Injil, and the Qur'an, Splitter of the seed-grain and the date-stone, I seek refuge in You from the evil of everything that You are holding by the forelock, You are the First, for there is nothing before You, You are the Last, for there is nothing after You. You are Az-Zahir, for there is NOTHING ABOVE YOU, AND YOU ARE AL-BATIN, FOR THERE IS NOTHING BELOW YOU. Relieve me from debt, and enrich me from poverty.”’

Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i says about it: Sahih.

Source: Imam Hafiz Abu 'Eisa Mohammad Ibn 'Eisa At-Tirmidhi, English Translation of Jami' At-Tirmidhi, trans. by Abu Khaliyl, ed. by Hafiz Abu Tahir Zubair 'Ali Za'i, rev. by Islamic Research Section Darussalam, 6 vols (Riyadh: Darussalam Publishers and Distributors, 2007), VI, 200, no. 3481.

https://www.sunnah.com/tirmidhi/48/112

This verse/hadith destroyed the idea that Allah is above the heaven or on the Throne literally as Salafi maintained as these will lead to the fact that Throne or Heaven is BELOW Allah.

And this equally destroy myth of an Abu Huraira's narration that Allah used to come down to lower Heavens in the last part of the night. If this is so, then other heavens will be above Him, and other creatures will be below Him.

The only rational meaning to this is NOTHING but metaphorical meaning.

Al-Nawawi (d. 676 AH), for example reports:

Al-Qadi 'Iyad said: ‘There is no disagreement among all Muslims – their jurists, traditionists, theologians and their likes and their followers – that the apparent texts which mention that God is in the heaven, like His Statement {Do you feel secure that He Who is in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth} and others like it, do NOT HAVE LITERAL MEANINGS. Rather, they are given metaphorical interpretations by all of them (i.e. the Muslims).

Source: Muḥy al-Din Abu Zakariyah Yahya ibn Sharaf ibn Murra al-Nawawi, al-Minhaj: Sharḥ Sahih Muslim, 2nd edn, 18 vols (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-'Arabi, 1392 AH), V, 24

One such metaphorical interpretation is provided by al-Qurtubi (d. 671 AH), who states:

I say: It is possible that it means: ‘Do you feel secure that the Creator of those in the heaven will not cause you to be swallowed up by the earth as He caused it to swallow Korah?’

Source: Abu 'Abdillah Muḥammad ibn Ahmad ibn Abi Bakr al-Qurtubi, al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an, ed. by Dr. 'Abdullah ibn 'Abd al-Muhsin al-Turki et al, 24 vols (Beirut: Muassasat al-Risalah, 1427 AH), XXI, 125

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=1258&idto=1258&bk_no=48&ID=681

And He is Allah in the heavens and the earth, He knows what you conceal and what you reveal, and He knows what you earn.) Meaning, it is He Who is called Allah, throughout the heavens and the earth, that is, it is He who is worshipped, singled out, whose divinity is believed in by the inhabitants of the heavens and the earth.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&tas

AbuTwins:


I see no authentication in this hadith. Bring an authentication for it.

Will you ever believe after you have seen or confirm it's authenticity? Yeyenatu.

Anyway, here is comment on the hadith:

Ibn Jawzi (rah) in his al-Wafa bi Ahwal lil Mustafa made a chapter before this hadith:
 
Chapter 39 in regards to "Seeking rain through the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him)"

And then he brought the Hadith of Aisha under it. [Al Wafa bi Ahwal lil Mustafa, Page #817-818]
 
# Muhammad bin ‘Alawi al-Maliki says, “This tradition has a good chain of transmission; rather, in my opinion, it is sound. The scholars have also acknowledged its soundness and have established its genuineness on the basis of almost equally credible evidence. [Shifa’-ul-fu’ad bi-ziyarat khayr--il-‘ibad Page No.153]

# Subki in Shifa’-us-siqam fi Ziyarat khayr-il-anam (p.128)

# Qastallani in al-Mawahib-ul-laduniyyah (4:276); and Zurqani in his Commentary(11:150)

Chain :"Abu an-Nu‘man heard it from Sa‘id bin Zayd, he from ‘Amr bin Malik an-Nukri and he from Abu al-Jawza’ Aws bin ‘Abdullah who has reported it.”

Rashduct4luv:


We have been reading about your friends Shi'as using AK47 killing Policemen. Salafys do not protest. There are millions of Salafys in Southwest yet we do not have Boko Haram. Of cos it is clear that the all Shiites in Nigeria are not OK.

Salafi do not protest?! Hmmmm.... But Aisha, Talha, Zubayr, Mu'awiyah and loads of sahabah among the khawarij protested and waged civil wars against the leader of their time. Do you disown them or excommunicated them from salafiism? yeyenatu
Those were your Salafs.

Only coward and fake salaf like "millions of salaf in southwest" will not go violent: Your terrorist Imam Ibn Abdulwahab was known to be cold heart murderer; and no doubt you guys have emulated Ibn Taymiyah perfectly in abusive language and takfirism but you haven't follow salaf Mu'awiyah et al in waging war and deadly protest. You could see how fake you are.

Rashduct4luv:


I am human and yes i do care for him like any other human though i go against everything you and him stand for (i.e of being a Shiite). It is only a humongous ignoramus that will use Salafys in the same sentence with Boko Haram and ISIS. You are known with deceit and cherry picking. How will you care? Join your Shiites fight against the FG. I read on Nairaland you guys now use AK47.

How dare you denying your ISIS and Boko haram salafi brothers? But you took their grandmaster - terrorist Ibn Abdulwahab as your Imam. Are you okay at all?

Rashduct4luv:


Jazaak Allahu Khayran sir. Your friends are at the fore-front fighting FG for El Zakzaky. You still get time for Nairaland?

Well, your case is redeemable till you die.

Oh...you care for Zakyzaky That's very nice of you. Unfortunately I don't care a bit for your ISIS and Boko haram salafi brothers. When will you team up with them? Don't be late o. Those terrorists need your help as they've been dealt with.

Reminder

@ OP, you still go by this irresponsible fanatical idea? Your case is irredeemable

AbulAbbaas:


I should be the one asking you for proof that it can be done after his life time, since you are the one trying to extend it.

Plus, the man should've stayed at his home and ask Allaah directly through the prophet without going to meet the prophet face to face

# Don't you ever try to shift the pole. Your Alfas were the ones that fabricated a strange thought that such tawassul does not extend beyond the Time of the Prophet contrary to superweight submission and understanding of Ahlu Sunnah's Imams as we have quoted view (Imam Ahmad, Imam Nasai, Imam Subki; we can give you more if you want).

Where did your Alfas got that strange fikr from? This is what we ask you their follower to provide even one single daeef hadith where the Prophet said, "this tawassul of mine cannot be done after my demise".


# Now we ask you this: why do you still continue doing salat wa salam for the Prophet during salat this way, "as-Salamu alayka ayyu an-Nabiyy..."?


# Lastly, in tafsir al-Qurtubi under verse 64 of sura an-Nisa, following is recorded:


Its related from Abu Saadiq that Ali said: "Three days after burying the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) The Araabi did come and did throw himself on the grave of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him), he took the earth and threw it on his head. He said: "Ya Rasulallah! (Peace Be Upon Him) You did speak and we did hear, you learned from Allah and we did learn from you. Between those things which Allah did send you, is following: (4:64) I am the one, which is a sinner and now I did came to you, so that you may ask for me." After that a call from the grave did came: "Theres no doubt, you are forgiven!

https://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?idfrom=1079&idto=1079&bk_no=48&ID=500

Ibn Kathir also document this story.

AbulAbbaas:


This hadeeth isn't a proof to make tawassul with the prophet AFTER HIS DEATH.

This falls under tawassul using a pious man that is present to make dua for you.

The man simply used the dua of the prophet to ask Allaah. This doesn't proof you can use him while in his present state.

Please don't be lazy. Read before you comment. Your excuse have been addressed already.

Anyway, it's a simply challenge: give us one DAEEF hadith where the Prophet said that kind of tawassul he thought the blind man can only be done while he's alive. Lobatan.


I will leave this again for the 10th time:

Imam Ahmad's Fatwa

Al-Mardawi said: “The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one’s dua to use as one’s means of a pious person (saalih), and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb). Imam Ahmad said to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi: ‘ Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah..."

Source: Al-Insaf

https://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=26&ID=15&idfrom=346&idto=1328&bookid=26&startno=818

AbuTwins:



https://islamweb.net/en/fatwa/264595/

You still went to a Salafy-Wahabi website to copy what suits your whims.

...In any case, what we can say is that making Tawassul by virtue of the Prophets and righteous people, meaning, asking Allaah by their persons, like saying, O Allaah I ask you by the high status of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) or I call upon you by the right of such-and-such person, then there is a well-known difference of opinion among the scholars concerning it. Many of them are of the view that such a kind of Tawassul is permissible, but the preponderant opinion is that it is forbidden and not permissible....

# Quoting from wahabi-salafi website or books is tamamu al-hujjat against you. Or do you want me to quote Shia or Sufi websites or books for you ni? Oníyèyé

# @Underlined, now you have finally changed gear. Empiree be my witness please.

# @Underlined, again it is only your hallucinated wahabi-salafi Shuyukh that stubbornly with their twisting interpretation that assumed tawassul not permissible. MAJORITY of Ahlu Sunnah Imams (Just like you yourself said "MANY of them"...) permitted tawassul. Therefore, saying later that "... but predominant opinion is that it is forbidden..." are saying and opinion of your wahabi-salafi saudia Alfas. As far as Sahih ahadith of the Prophet and aamal of the righteous sahabah on tawassul are concerned, who are your wahabi shuyukh?

Yes, you are free to believe or do what your shuyukh said, na your own headache be that. But don't you EVER come here and curry-flavor and deceitfully present your wahabi wrong view as the only and right view.

Empiree:

Tawasul by virtue or through nabi muhammad (saw) is. They can take it or leave it. There is Sharia and there is haqiqa. They don't believe the later.

Do they even believe in simple logical argument ni? No. They only dogmatically and fanatically believe and follow their ibn Uthaymeens, ibn bazs, et al, and nothing more.