^^

Of course, the enemies will use whatever means to deepen our differences. It is left for Muslims to remove what they can hold on to.

So long Sunni continue to idolize some evil sahabah and continue to declare those who expose their fitnah as "kuffar", then it is Sunni who should be blame. The best they can do is to erase their documents that expose facts. Till qiyamat, people will continue discussing those issues unless the madness of "respect" all sahabah is removed. Sahabah are not bigger than Islam. We must protect Islam from their immortalities as people often judge Islam by them when we are hell bent protecting their actions.

Empiree:
since discussions about sahaba have been up for centuries did they solve it?.

And no, there is perfect religion and that is Islam. You are equating personalities with religion. Ofcourse, that 3 letters media outlets and others would bash Christianity because there are flaws in it and I am not talking about Christian history.

# Only the Sunni especially the salafi are not ready to solve sahabah issues. Quran and hadith have clearly separate shaff from grains as far as sahabah are concerned. Whoever is not ready to live with fact will end up being fanatic and nuisance.

# CNN, or whatever bash every religion and spread massive propaganda. The point is atheism is spreading like fire in the western world and media is promoting it by making religion look bad to people.

# Yes, you are right and true2god is wrong by mixing up "religion" for "its adherents". The later could be flawed but the former is perfect. All divine religion are perfect for their respective time, and Islam complete them all and fit all time. I implore true2god to go and read Karen Armstrong's book, "Muhammad, the Prophet for our time".

Empiree,

If you know what non-Muslim researchers have invested into Islamic studies, you wouldn't talk the way you are talking. Of the best Islamic historians were non-Muslims. Of recent, I came across a book written by a professor on Usul al-fiqh. I was dumbfounded. Usul al-fiqh

If by now, majority of the Muslims are still shying away from facts or hiding truth well established in our documents, we will be doing more harm than good.

Brother, nobody can hide anything from anybody in today's modern age. Well, Africa is still stuck in the past so is our local champion scholars. You know me from time immemorial, I am not afraid to dish out facts.

Empiree:
Don't think one bit that I'm here to entertain you. You being a confused Christian, how does this concern you?. I am well aware of Christian tactics long enough.

Brother, the guy stated facts. Forget about whatever antics he might play. Today, people have access to information than you can ever think. Let's stop denying facts. We will look insincere.

true2god:
The sahabas never made any mistake bro. Stop covering evil out of religious conviction. Their action was pre-meditated and worthy of condemnation.


And for the records, the actions of Abu Bakr, Umar Ibn Kathab and Uthman ibn Affan (the first three righty guided khalifa) technically eliminated the entire household of the prophet, the event which resulted into the current ideological difference between the shia and the sunnis. Any moral soul should be reasonable in condemnation their 'game of throne' among the muslim ummah.

This history is never taught in any mainstream Muslim school. How can you avoid the mistake of the past when you don't want to learn form history? How can genuine healing be possible without reconciling the mistake of the past and teach the future generation to live in harmony and to avoid the same mistakes again?

I agree with your thought and that is naked truth which Empiree used to curry flavor sometimes.

Just as a point of correction, it is only in the dream of majority of scholars that they gave the title "RIGHTLY GUIDED CALIPHS" to the first three Caliphs. The three of them failed woefully the criteria of being RIGHTLY GUIDED caliph. This fact is fully exposed here:

https://www.nairaland.com/3038732/identifying-khulafau-rashidun-rightly-guided

true2god:
There is no sanction that the US will impose on Iran that can be as tough as the one they imposed on Russia during the soviet era. Yet, the Russians came out technologically superior in advance technologies. Sanctions works only on poor and developing countries.

According to present index on technologically advanced countries, Iran is still among developing countries in terms of human capital development (though Iran has a very high index among the Muslim world in term of human capital development). What I expected you to say is that Iran has the highest prospect of being a very scientifically and technologically developed nation in the nearest future, but for now, they are still learning.

On the ballistic missile development, 90% of their R & D is controlled and coordinated by the Russians. If the Russians withdraw their technical support on this field, the Iranian may not have the know-how to continue with the rocket science development.

Unfortunately you are the one stylishly trying to deny Iran advancements and success stories. For a fact, I have never compare Iran with best in science and technology. And facts I have submitted so far only showed the country is among the fastest growing nation technologically. I know you are baffled knowing Muslim world to be bunch of useless redundant.

# I talked about sanction on Iran since 1979, yet you persisted asking "where is Iranian products in global market". Thank God you made mention of Russia. When Russia was bombarded with series of sanctions then, where were his scientific products in the global market? Even till now?

A serious country like Russia and Iran only used sanctions to their respective advantage: self reliance.

Yes, Iran has learnt and master a lot from Russian scientists. Icing on the cake is that her scientists and engineers have turned things around over the years. In 2009, Iran launched her first satellite into space with the help of China. 5 years later, and just last month her scientists were able to launched their locally made satellite successfully. You read the report that: Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year...

IRAN is not a nation that is being overhyped on media unlike many European countries. Had there no hindrance in her nuclear program in the last 10 years, she would have moved up the ladder more.

true2god:
For me the action of the sahabas were based on what they learn from the prophet; especially the activities of early Muslims in medina prior the demise of the prophet.

Any religion fraught with violence and animosity against the 'non-believers' will sure affect the actions and the behavioral patterns of the adherents against the 'non-believers'.

Your conclusion is very very wrong. You judged the Prophet of Islam based on the henious crimes of some bastards. Why not judge him base on the righteous deeds of the good ones?

Anyway, here's the fact about the Prophet in his 23 years effort:

Surah Al-Jumua, Verse 2:

He it is Who raised among the inhabitants of Mecca an Apostle from among themselves, who recites to them His communications and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and the Wisdom, although they were before certainly in clear error"



# Another fact to the kind of people he tried to reform is this:

 Surah At-Taubah, Verse 101:

And from among those who are round about you of the dwellers of the desert there are hypocrites, and from among the people of Medina (also); they are stubborn in hypocrisy; you do not know them; We know them; We will chastise them twice then shall they be turned back to a grievous chastisement"


# And here's his success story:

Tawbah: 100

And (as for) the foremost, the first of the Muhajirs and the Ansars, and those who followed them in goodness, Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, to abide in them for ever; that is the mighty achievement."


It is not a rocket science to understand that bad eggs will try to pollute the basket that carries it, and the good ones. You don't throw the basket and the good eggs away. Intelligent man will separate shaff from grains.

true2god:
Before the sanction, which brand of consumer product does Iran export to Nigeria? There are hundreds of countries without US sanction and yet I am yet to see anything they export to Nigeria. You need to understand that there are countries with global recognition for science and technology and I don't think Iran belong to that 'club' yet.

Iran practically does not exist in science and technological advancements before 1979 Islamic revolution. Then, just like Arab world depended solely on western world. IRAN success bloom after the revolution.

Again, you need to go and read more about US efforts to isolate Iran in the global stage. If you can see and understand that fact, you will realize why there is "zero" Iranian products of science and technology in the global market.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_sanctions_against_Iran


Department of State

The United States has imposed restrictions on activities with Iran under various legal authorities since 1979, following the seizure of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/iran/index.htm

https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/iran/index.htm

Latest Achievement of Iran Defensive Might

Iran’s new Hoveyzeh cruise missile can bypass all existing American and Israeli defense systems and hit any target in the occupied territories without being detected, Israeli sources have said.

https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/02/04/587635/Iran-Israel-Hoveyzeh-cruise-missile-Arrow-Iron-Dome

true2god:

I can hardly see any consumer products that are made in Iran. I am yet to see any phone, TV, computer, car, Aeroplane, etc that are made in Iran.

Are you in this world of information dear brother?
U.S. is using all her energy to isolate Iran from the word. IRAN is battling economic sanctions since 1979 till date. Thanks to the U.S. So in such grave situation, how do you expect Iranian products to hit the global market?
Even if your international passport showed you have visited Iran, consider U.S. and her allies almost forbidden for you to enter especially during Trump administration. IRAN has worked forward to beat that by introducing electronic visa:
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/11/24/580942/Iran-hopes-Evisa-can-attract-more-foreign-tourists


Only China, Russia, North and South Korea, Japan, India, Pakistan continue to trade and exchange progressive achievement with Iran despite U.S. bully. Other nations have succumbed to the bully. Imagine the only market that Saudi is selling fast is terrorism and because of her surrender to the U.S., she's selling it fast.

During Obasanjo's administration (around 2006/7), Nigeria benefited immensely from Iranian products. The then Iranian President visited Nigeria where he stated their success over the years. Iranian engineers were ready to help Nigeria build world standard refinery. Iranian engineers were ready to teach Nigeria various technology know how including car production etc. Then, Nigeria joined G8 +1 comprises of Arab-Muslim oil producing Nation.

In the long run, nothing fruitful came out. OBJ is western world's puppet and when GEJ entered office, he pledge his full allegiance to Israel and US cutting off Iran completely.

true2god:
I understand that Persia was a great civilization, since the time of Cyrus the great, long before Islam. However I have some misgivings in most of your claims. Where do you get all these statistics that portray Iran as a great scientific power?

You can contact the address attached on the photos to learn more.

https://financialtribune.com/articles/sci-tech/43902/iran-s-scientific-success

Normally you don't expect western propaganda media to promote their enemy's progress, and they can project and lie about theirs.


............
A 2010 report by Canadian research firm Science-Metrix has put Iran in the top rank globally in terms of growth in scientific productivity with a 14.4 growth index followed by South Korea with a 9.8 growth index.[193] Iran's growth rate in science and technology is 11 times more than the average growth of the world's output in 2009 and in terms of total output per year, Iran has already surpassed the total scientific output of countries like Sweden, Switzerland, Israel, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, Austria or that of Norway.[194][195][196] Iran with a science and technology yearly growth rate of 25% is doubling its total output every three years and at this rate will reach the level of Canadian annual output in 2017.[197]

The report further notes that Iran's scientific capability build-up has been the fastest in the past two decades ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_and_technology_in_Iran

Example to the Muslim world

https://www.nairaland.com/5015685/40th-anniversary-islamic-revolution-what

Buffalo2:
Upon all the initial gra gra of the coach.................." Moses is not in my plan".................."he has to go"..........." he can't play my formatiom"............bla bla bla. o mase o

Sold Moses, carry old horse Higuain come.

SUMMARY

Muslim nations are capable to progress on their own without relying on western evil powers who continue to extort them and render their self development useless. IRAN is a success story, against all odds.

Delaw00:
Sarri and kepa should just Bleep off from that club.....

Sarri is the main problem.

Continuation

dallex10:
Watch the highlight here

http://timzyj..com/2019/02/watch-highlight-of-manchester-city-vs.html

Oju mi koni ribi (my eyes will no longer see BAD thing). Only mancity fans can rewatch the highlights. It's a grand humiliation. Thanks to Sorry or na Sarri dem dey call am.

What do you know from the Islamic Republic of Iran?
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Do you know that Iran is the only country in the Middle East that can produce a three-dimensional microscope?

Did you know that Iran is the only country in the world producing the Eye implant?

Did you know that Iran is the only country in Asia that can produce cast iron with a scale of 2000 millimeters?

Did you know that Iran is the third country in the world in the production of electricity transmission poles?

Did you know that Iran is among the eight countries in the space club?

Did you know that Iran is the third country in the world in the field of solar power building technology?

Did you know that Iran is the only country that has managed to implant the trachea?

Did you know that Iran is the first country in the world to possess industrial technology for the artificial nervous system in the world?

Did you know that Iran is the third country in the world to extract stem cells from white teeth?

Did you know that Iran is the third country in the world in producing diving?

Did you know that Iran is the second country in the world in the production of UAVs beyond radars?

Did you know that Iran has the largest lake for shipbuilding and repair in the Middle East?

Did you know that Iran has cruise missile character technology off track?

Did you know that Iran is one of the world's leading producers of astronaut clothing?

Did you know that Iran is one of the countries that can send a living organism to space?

Did you know that Iran is the ninth country in the world in terms of owning the full space course?

Did you know that Iran is the third country in the world that has gas-producing technology?

Did you know that Iran is the fifth country in the world to produce a human-like robot?

Did you know that Iran is among the eight countries that can produce destroyers?

Did you know that Iran was able to obtain the polymer micro-polymer technology and break the limitation of this technique?

Did you know that Iran is one of the countries that can manufacture hydroelectric turbines in the world?

Did you know that Iran is the fifth country in the world in the production of blood clotting medicine?

Did you know that Iran is one of the countries that manufacture oil and gas drilling equipment in the world?

Did you know that Iran is the second country in the world to produce a heart valve?

Did you know that Iran is the fourth country in the world in the treatment of deaf people?

Did you know that Iran is one of the countries that can produce an auxiliary robot in surgery?

Did you know that Iran is the second country in the world to treat thalassemia through bone marrow transplantation?

Did you know that Iran is the world's first in nanotechnology?

Did you know that Iran is the second country in the production of nanoparticles?

Did you know that Iran is the fourth country in the world to produce biotechnological drugs?

Did you know that Iran is one of the five leading countries in the world of scientific olympics?

Did you know that Iran is the fourth country in laser technology?

Did you know that Iran is one of the specialized countries in the detection of blindness genes?

Did you know that Iran is one of the producing countries for combat helicopters?

Did you know that Iran is one of the producing countries of war fighters?

Did you know that Iran is one of the world's leading motor-free countries?

Did you know that Iran is one of the countries producing satellites in the world?

Did you know that Iran is specialized in the implantation of stem cells of the cornea in the world?

Did you know that Iran specializes in the most difficult surgery and treatment of congenital defects?

Did you know that Iran specializes in the most difficult brain surgery in the world?

Did you know that Iran is the second country in the world to produce anti-cancer injections?

Did you know that Iran is one of the leading countries in the enginee

Tell me more please

INTRODUCTION

The 1979 Islamic revolution of Iran was a success story that sent clear message and thunder-striking fear to the heart of the arrogant superpowers that “there is no power except Allah's”. The revolution took the world superpowers as a great surprise where they continue to imagine how “a mullah living (eating) with onion, garlic and yoghurt” could topple one of the most powerful governments of the time that saw the overthrow of the last Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, and the end of 2,500 years of Persian monarchy.


The Revolution was a series of events involving the overthrow of the monarch of Iran, Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi, and replacing his government with an Islamic republic under the Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. The movement against the western-backed monarchy was supported by various noble scholars and Islamic organizations, and student movements. In short, the revolution was a unified achievement where the whole nation united under the command of their Imam.

All attempts of the superpowers especially the United States of America to take back the hand of clock prove abortive as they were humiliated with their so-called power. In fact, in July 2017, the Trump administration's chief of security strategist, John Bolton promised to crushed Iran before her 40th Anniversary. IRAN CELEBRATES HER 40TH ISLAMIC REPUBLIC in 10 - 11th February, 2019.


Iran has faced (and continue to face) many challenges in the bid of the western world to take down the revolution but the country remain steadfast and grow stronger crossing difficult hurdles since the demise of Imam Khomeini. That is a great testification to the true intention and commitment of the people of Iran who did not only sacrificed their all during the revolution but also maintain the legacy of their dear Imam.


 
As part of the study on Imam and his achievements especially the 1979 revolution, the British Broadcasting corporation (BBC) packaged an informative documentary about Imam Khomeini titled, “ The man who changed the world”.

And indeed, Imam changed the world, the fact that his achievement was unprecedented.


# BBC documentary, “the man who changed the world”:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=FfrJ2rBobGs


# See also, “Iran and the west”
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1387901/

# Iran 1979: the Islamic revolution that shook the world
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/01/iran-1979-revolution-shock-world2014121134227652609.html

aadoiza:

The emboldened couldn't be truer. However, when a disproportionately large number among the supposedly best generation of Muslims reportedly carried out some of the most vile, gruesome and inhumane acts in history how then do I make outsiders see the truism in that purported statement by Ali and, ultimately, the truth in Islam?

Let me put it nicely: We Muslims are supposed to be the embodiments of Islam, as Islam is not an entity, but if the best of us had big question marks on their personalities what perception would a truth-seeker have of Islam?

# There was actually a long period when Islamic history was rewritten by liars. Thieves and corrupt people were adorned with golden characters and promoted over ages as best; and naturally people bought that over the years. At the same time, pious people were swept under the carpet.

At a time, Ahmad ibn Hanbal started an ideological thought which continues till date that ALL sahabah with no exception are righteous and are paradise bound. And whoever abuse anyone of them is not a Muslim.


Islam with its fundamentals and practice is free from personalities. Therefore when you preach Islam, don't preach personalities. Preach Islam as it is.

And how do you know the truth? From example, an hadith tells you that Prophet did an irrational deed or engaged in a filthy act. On the other hand, Quran tells you that "Muhammad has the best and exalted character". It is rational to follow Quran and disregard that hadith even if it is labeled authentic. Only Quran is regarded as 100% truth. Other books are not.

Another example is how to identify liars. Kindly read:
https://www.nairaland.com/4169105/abu-huraira-biggest-fraud-sunni#62315797

Frenchkiss564:
Omoh..... A lot of shit went down after the prophet's death.

some of these people that lives after his death aren't even as pious as we were led to believe. The truth can never be hidden for ever.

The day of judgement will surely churn out a lot of surprises but everyone will be busy with their own cup of tea.

may Allah save us

Imam Muslim also records:

"Muhammad b. Hatim – ‘Affan b. Muslim al-Saffar – Wuhayb – ‘Abd al-‘Aziz b. Suhayb – Anas b. Malik:

The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “Some persons from among those who kept me company will meet me at the Lake-Fount. I will see them, and they will be presented to me. Then, they will be forced away from me. I will say: ‘O my Lord, my Sahabah! My Sahabah’. It will be said to me: ‘You do not know what they INNOVATED after you.’”

Sahih, (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-‘Arabi) [annotator: Muhammad Fuad ‘Abd al-Baqi], vol. 4, p. 1800, # 2304 (40)
https://sunnah.com/muslim/43/56


# Today, majority of what we do are innovations of sahabah.

@ aadoiza, Frenchkiss564

That's the reason some of these scholars don't teach Islamic history and if they will, they only tell you sweet parts and not sorry parts.

Second, they are introducing truth to you via personalities. This is why people feel greatly disappointed when they discovered the real truth about some of these persons. Imam Ali ibn Abi Taalib says:

"The religion of Allah is not recognized through men, but through a sign of truth. So, know the truth and you shall know it's people."


I am not proselytizing my thought but truth be told, this is why Sunni especially the salafis hate the Shia because the later question the truthfulness, righteousness and credibility of many sahabah based on existing clear facts. Imagine, sahabah who drink alcohol, rape, kill unjustly, lies, violate ruling of Quran and sunnah of the Prophet etc and you are asking me to respect such and if I don't, I will be label "heretic and kafir". I will rather accept to be labeled than following monsters.


And don't get me wrong sirs, there are exceptional and excellent sahabah whose righteousness is incomparable. It is however an insult to these great ones when you put them in the same basket with some of the hypocrites and monsters among them saying all of them are righteous.

najib632:
Al-Ṭabarī (d.310 AH) said, “Ibn Sabaʾ was a Jew from Sana, Yemen.” [al-Ṭabarī, Abū Jaʿfar Muḥammad ibn Jarīr. Tārīkh al-Rusūl wa al-Mulūk. Beirut, Lebanon: Dār Ṣādir (1965-1967) vol.4, pp.340]
Ibn Asākīr (d.255 AH) said, “His origin is from the people of Yemen and he was a Jew who dressed in Islam.” [Ibn Asākir, ʿAlī ibn al-Ḥasan, Tārīkh Madīna-Damishq. Beirut, Lebanon. Dār al Fikr (1987) vol.29, p.408]
Ibn al-Athīr said, “‘Abdullāh bin Sabaʾ was a Jew from the people of Sana, Yemen and his mother was black.” [Ibn al-Athīr, Abū al-Ḥasan ʿAlī ʿIzz al-Dīn, al-Kāmil fī al-Tārīkh. Beirut, Lebanon Dar Ṣādir – (1965-1967) vol.3 p.77]
al-Ṭabarī, Abū Jaʿfar Muḥammad ibn Jarīr (d. 310 AH) said, “‘Abdullāh bin Sabaʾ embarked upon [the Companion] Abū Ḍarḍāh who said to him, “Who are you? By Allāh, I suspected you to be a Jew.” [al-Ṭabarī, Abū Jaʿfar Muḥammad ibn Jarīr, Tārīkh al-Rusūl wa al-Mulūk. Beirut, Lebanon: Dār Ṣādir (1965-1967) vol.4, pp.456]
Ibn Kathīr (d.729 AH) said, “…and from them was Ibn al-Sawdá [the black one] and he was from those disbelievers who had a covenant with the muslims, so he appeared as a muslim and introduced statements and actions of innovations. May Allāh destroy him.” [Ibn Kathīr, Ismāʿīl ibn ʿUmar, al-Bidāyah wa al-Nihāyah. Beirut, Lebanon: Maktabat al-Maʿārif (1966) vol. 7 pp.181]
Ibn Taymiyah (d. 728 AH) said, “And the people of knowledge have mentioned that the head of the Rāfīḍa is from the Heretic ʿAbdullāh bin Sabaʾ; for he manifested Islam and while he hid his Judaism and he sought to cause corruption in Islam just like Paul the Christian, who was a Jew who caused corruption in the religion of the Christians.” [Ibn Taymiyah, Taqī al-Dīn Abū al-ʿAbbās, Majmūʿ al-Fatāwà. Riyadh, KSA: Markaz al-Turāth lil-Barmajīyāt (2012) vol. 28 pp.483]
Ibn al-ʿIzz al-Ḥanafī (d. 731 AH) said, “The foundations of rafḍ began from a heretic and hypocrite who intended to bring falsehood into Islam and to bring insult to the Messenger as the scholars have mentioned. ʿAbdullah bin Sabaʾ when he manifested Islam, he sought to cause corruption in the religion of Islam by plotting and vileness just as what Paul did with the Christian religion. First he manifested piety and then manifested enjoining the good and forbidding the evil, until he was involved in the chaos during the reign of ʿUthmān and his killing. Then when he entered Kūfa he manifested extremism for ʿAlī and supporting him to gain from it necessities and this was made clear to ʿAlī so he sought his killing and fought him to qarqīs and the narrations of that are known in History.” Thus from this man whom the people of sunnah have criticized; and from this group stemmed the Rawāfiḍ Shīʿa. [Ibn al-ʿIzz, ʿAlī ibn ʿAlī, Sharḥ al-Ṭahāwīyah fī al-ʿAqīdah al-Salafīyah. Damascus, Syria: al-Maktab al-Islāmī (1984) pp.490]

Its not about copy-pasting. It's about proving authenticity of the chain of transmitter of any hadith/athar about Abdullah ibn Saba. The likes of Tabari, Ibn Taymiyyah, ibn Kathir etc all of them in their respective books quoted athar. None of them met Ibn Saba. Where's the chain of the athar in their books?

Like I told you with CONFIDENCE, there is no credible sanad (chain of transmitter) to issue of Abdullah ibn Saba.

Let me show you one athar with its sanad:


Imam Tabari (d. 310H) documents:


SANAD: Al-Sirri – Shu'ayb (b. Ibrahim) – Sayf (b. Umar) – 'Atiyyah – Yazid al-Faq'asi :

'Abdullah ibn Saba was a Jew from the people of San‟a (the capital of Yemen). His mother was black. He accepted Islam during the rule of Uthman. Then he roamed the cities of the Muslims trying to turn them into heretics…he (later) went to Egypt, and settled among them. Then he said to them, “it is strange of he who claims that Isa will return but rejects that Muhammad will return. Meanwhile Allah, the almighty said [Q. 28:85]. As such Muhammad is more entitled to return than Isa.” So it was accepted from him, and he created for them (doctrine of) al-Raj'ah (the Return)…Then he said, “Muhammad is the last of the prophets and 'Ali is the last of the designated (immediate) successors (of prophets).” Then he added after that, “who is more unjust than he who did not fulfil the testamentary will of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and jumped over the designated successor of the Messenger of Allah and administered the affair of the Ummah? Then he said, „verily Uthman unjustly seized it, and this (Ali) is the designated successor of the Messenger of Allah.”

Source: Tarikh al-Umam wa al-Muluk (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-Illmiyyah;1st Edition, 1407H) , vol.2, p.647


THE CHAIN OF TRANSMITTER

# Shu'ayb ibn Ibrahim

One of the very best Sunni Scholar on Rijal is Al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852H), he declared “Shu'ayb (b. Ibrahim)” as Majhul (unknown)

Source: Lisan al-Mizan (Beirut: Manshurat Muasassat al-A'lami li al-Matbu'at; 2nd Ed. 1390H), vol.3, p.145, #517.



# Sayf ibn Umar

Imam al-Dhahabi (d. 748H) documents the consensus of various Sunni Scholars on Sayf (b. Umar), “He used to fabricate ahadith”

Source: Tarikh al-Islam wa Wafiyat al-Mashahir wa al-A'lam (Beirut: Dar al-Kitab al-Arabi, 1st Ed. 1407H), vol. 11, p. 161-162, #4

Allamah al-Albani (d. 1420H) also says: “As for Sayf b. Umar, he is well-known. However, he has been accused of fabricating reports…He is rejected by consensus.”

Source: Silsilah al-Ahadith al-Da‟ifah wa al-Mawdu‟ah wa Atharihah al-Sayyiah fi al-Ummah, vol. 11, p.748, #5440



# Yazid al-Faq'asi

As for Yazid al-Faq'asi, the main narrator who is supposed to have been the eye-witness does not have a SINGLE entry in any Sunni book of Rijal.


What could be more worthless than this report? Yet Imam Ibn Asakir, Ibn Taymiyyah et al document as evidence this (or similar) defective Sanad as evidence against Shi'a.


Kindly, tell your Alfas to bring or check all Sunni asanid about Abdullah ibn Saba, you will be shocked that NONE of it is reliable. They are worthless reports.

najib632:
This is rubbish, would you also call the hadith, that Hassan R.A. and Hussein R.A. was defending Uthman R.A da'ef? Would call the dream that Hassan R.A had da'ef? Would you call the Hadith that Ali R.A, Hassan R.A. and Hussein R.A. burying Uthman R.A da'ef?

# What are we discussing what are you presenting?

You brought Abdullah ibn Saba, and I told you he was a fairy tale individual. If you think otherwise, prove it. Lobatan.

# Second, have I ever discussed how Imam Hassan and Imam Hussein (salamullah alayhima) defended the door of Uthman from the sahabah's uprising against him with you? Have I ever discussed who buried Uthman with you? Answer to those questions is NO. Then, where and why are you being ....

Your blood is just rushing with unnecessary anger. And I have advice you to stay off topics you have no knowledge of.


My claims about Uthman so far were two:

1. Uthman ruled tyrannically and oppressively

2. He was killed by the sahabah.

Both two points have been supported by clear Sunni evidence and your hearsay that "Abdullah ibn Saba" killed him is eternally buried.

Don't be fanatic brother and do not do injustice to your nafs. This is not a competition or do or die affair.

frosbel2:
They are MAD !!!

Send them to an Asylum to recover !

Christians and dancing is 5 and 6.

najib632:
When did Abdullah ibn Sabah become a sahabi? There was no Sahaba among those men, you're praising the people that brought fitnah that caused the death of many Sahaba.

# First, Abdullah ibn Sabah does not exist. All ahadith pertaining to that fiery tale man are FABRICATED. Interestingly, more than 75% of those ahadith came through Saif ibn Umar and all Scholars of ahadith with no exception regarded him as LIAR, FABRICATOR and MATRUK (REJECT).

I guess you have been fooled ignorantly by that fiery tale man.


# Sahabah killed killed Uthman ibn Affan


# Al-hafiz ibn Hajar al-Asqalani documents:

Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Udays … Abu Muhammad al-Balawi:

Ibn Sa’d said: “He accompanied the Prophet, peace be upon him, and heard from him, and witnessed the conquest of Egypt. He was one of those who went to ‘Uthman”. Al-Barqi and al-Baghawi and others said: “He was one of those who gave the bay’ah under the Tree”. Ibn Abi Hatim said on the authority of his father, “He was a Sahabi”. This was what ‘Abd al-Ghaniyy b. Sa’id, Abu ‘Ali b. al-Sakan and Ibn Hibban too said. Ibn Yunus said: “He gave the bay’ah under the Tree, and witnessed the conquest of Egypt and he lived there. He was from Persia. Then, he was the head of the cavalry that went from Egypt to ‘Uthman during the Fitnah.

Source: Abu al-Fadl Ahmad b. ‘Ali b. Hajar al-‘Asqalani al-Shafi’i, al-Isabah fi Tamyiz al-Sahabah (Beirut: Dār al-Jayl; 1st edition, 1412 H) [annotator: ‘Ali Muhammad al-Bajawi], vol. 4, p. 334, # 5167

 
# Imam Ibn ‘Abd al-Barr further submits:


‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Udays al-Balawi al-Misri: He witnessed al-Hudaybiyyah. Asad b. Musa mentioned from Ibn Lahi’ah, from Yazid b. Abi Habib, who said: “’Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Udays al-Balawi was one of those who gave bay’ah to the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, under the Tree”. Abu ‘Umar said, “He was the COMMANDER of the army that came from Egypt to Madinah, the army that besieged ‘Uthman AND MURDERED HIM.”

Source: Yusuf b. ‘Abd Allah b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd al-Barr, al-Isti’ab fi Ma’rifah al-Sahabah (Beirut: Dar al-Jayl; 1st edition, 1412 H) [annotator: ‘Ali Muhammad al-Bajawe], vol. 2, p. 840, # 1437
 

# Imam Ibn al-Athir also states:


‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Udays … He was a Sahabi, and he witnessed the bay’ah of al-Ridwan, and gave the bay’ah there. HE WAS THE COMMANDER OF THE ARMY that came from Egypt to besiege ‘Uthman b. ‘Affan, may Allah be pleased with him, WHEN THEY MURDERED HIM

Source: Ibn al-‘Athir, Usd al-Ghabah fi Ma’rifah al-Sahabah (Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-‘Arabi; 1st edition, 1417 H) [annotator: ‘Adil Ahmad al-Rufa’i], vol. 3, p. 488-489


# Attached are snapshots from Tarikh al-Tabari about what Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr (radiyallahu anhu), Aisha's brother, and Imam Ali ibn Abi Taalib (alayhi salam) say about Uthman ibn Affan:

AbuUbayy1:

Kindly provide evidences from the Qur'an and Sunnah that supports protests.
What did the prophet ordered us to do under a tryant ruler?

That "Prophet said" you should be patient and not oppose their tyranny

For your information, that is one fake hadith fabricated by the Banu Ummayyad. They produced tyrant rulers who oppressed their subjects. Ironically, they fear to be opposed. So, they needed something to handcuff people's disobedience: they employed pseudo scholars to fabricate ahadith for them. This is a clear fact in Islamic history. Only ignorant and fanatics will deny it.


# On the other hand, Prophet will never say what contradict Quran or his own saying.

Surah Hud, Verse 116:


"But why were there not among the generations before you those possessing understanding, who should have forbidden the making of mischief in the earth, except a few of those whom We delivered from among them? And those who were unjust went after what they are made to enjoy of plenty, and they were guilty."

It is the duty of every Muslim to oppose tyranny and oppression. It is WAJIB (compulsory).


# EXAMPLE AMONG THE SAHABAH

1. Uthman ibn Affan, the third caliph became oppressive and unjust in the last half of his rule. He was opposed by the Muslim community led by great sahabah and was eventually killed by a Sahabi. Obviously, his killing was fitnah but opposing his tyranny was not.

2. Immediately, Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib assumed the leadership position, Umm al-mumineen Aisha, Talha, Zubayr and Mu'awiyah raised arm against him in what led to first and second civil war in Muslim history. Ali was no doubt a just leader and his opponents were wrong. Point remain, they protested.

3. Imam al-Hussein ibn Ali opposed the cursed Yazid ibn Mu'awiyah when he assumed power and causing fitnat on the earth. This led to the historic battle of Karbala.

CAUTION


# First, it is absurd and fanatical thought to think that voting is shrik (associating partner with Allah).

# Second, sharia law (Islamic system of governing) is ONLY bond on Muslims. Nigeria is a country of multi-religious society. And it is the duty of every Nigerian Muslim to contribute to the peace and orderliness of that society. This is one of the goal of sharia itself. Voting is one way to achieve this goal; therefore, how can Islam oppose this in a multi-religious environment?



Can a Muslim vote in a non-Muslim or secular system?

There is no doubt that Islamic sharia is designed for Muslims to guide their A, B, C lifestyle be it spiritual, social and so on; and in the viewpoint of Islam, it is the best form of system.

However, there is a divided opinion here (about non-sharia government): some are of the opinion you can vote while others say it is "haram" to vote.

Obviously, non of these opinion is established with a clear cut evidence. Situation like this (where there is NO clear cut evidence), Hurmat (forbiddiance) or Isti'bab (permisibility) will only come in respect to who or what to vote for. For example, Nigerian system of law have some aspects agreeable to the Islamic sharia while others do not. In fact, sharia itself is recognized by Nigeria constitution and there are sharia courts for Muslims.



# FACT

A Muslim in a country or environment where sharia is non-operative will find it difficult to apply and exercise Islamic code of conduct 100%. However, he will be safe in areas where Islamic code is the same as the state code of conduct/law. No doubt, the essence of Islamic sharia is to create an orderly and suitable environment for all to live.

There is no driving law for example in the sharia. It is expedient to note that driving law is to organize an orderly movement of vehicles and to avoid accident which will prevent loss of lives and fatal injuries. Therefore, Islamic teachings is not far from this and if a Muslim "vote for this kind of laws" and follows it, his faith is nowhere affected. In fact, he has contributed to righteousness.

# Presidential and gubernatorial ( and etc) candidates present their respective manifestos where each stated their plans for the betterment of society. What are the things in their respective manifesto oppose to Islam and Muslims? This is where Muslims should be attentive to. For a clear fact whether you vote or you do not, decisions of voted candidates will surely affect every sundry: Muslim and non Muslims alike. Therefore, it is rational to vote (i.e help) someone apparently credible for the entire society.


HILF AL-FUDUL

The holy Prophet before he became a Prophet participated alongside the elders and nobles of Arabia (who were mainly polytheists) in a pact, a constitution and a form of law agreed upon by elders of Arabia society. This "constitution" was designed to avoid injustice and oppression which was the order of the day in Arabia land then.

Interestingly, there are authentic saying accredited to the Prophet after he became Prophet of God where he referred back to that "constitution" that if such is to happen again, he will honor it. This is famously know as "Hilf al-fudul".


# ISLAM DO NOT OPPOSE VOTING OR MAN-MADE LAW OUTRIGHTLY: IT ONLY REJECT WHAT IS BAD IN IT.

AlBaqir:
# Today in Islamic history marks the martyrdom of Hazrat Fatima bint Muhammad, the leader of women of paradise.

* Peace and blessings be upon her.

As tonight mark her shahadat, we remember the beloved daughter of Rusulullah, the best of all women and the doyen of women of paradise, Hazrat Fatima az-Zahra (alayha afdhal salat wa salam)

Goshen360:


But why is it soooo super hard for followers of Adeboye and Oyedepo to see clearly that their papas are in deep errors? I actually added the fourth clip of Oyedepo from your response to Annas on the other thread. Good job my brother!

Trust Africans with blind love.

STILL ON MALIK IBN NUWAYRAH AND THE WAR CRIMINAL - KHALID IBN AL-WALID


Hafiz Ibn Asakir documents:

Abu Ghalib al-Bana and Abu Abdillah al-Bana narrated from Abu Jaffar bin Maslama from Abu Tahir al-Mukhalis from Ahmad bin Sulaiman from al-Zubair bin Bakr from Mus’ab bin Abdullah, who said:….Umar said: ‘I admonished Khalid for breaking the orders and for what he did with the money., Khalid would distribute the booty amongst the soldiers without informing Abu Bakr. He made decisions that contravened those of Abu Bakr, he killed Malik bin Nuwayra and married his wife. He made peace with the people of Yamama and married the daughter of Maj’a bin Marara. These were met with disapproval by Abu Bakr and he issued Diyat (blood money) to Mutammim bin Nuwayrah and ordered Khalid to divorce Malik’s wife….’

Source: Tarikh Ibn Asakir, Volume 16 page 274

 http://islamport.com/d/1/trj/1/111/2291.html



Hafiz Ibn Asakir also records:

Abu Bakr al-Ansar from al-Hassan bin Ali from Abu Umar bin Haywiyah from Ahmad bin Maroof from al-Hussain bin al-Fehm from Muhammad bin Saad from Muhammad bin Umar from Muhammad bin Abdullah from al-Zuhari from Handala bin Ali al-Aslami who said: ‘…When Khalid arrived at Madina, he entered the mosque of Allah’s Messenger wearing rusty armor and with his sword. There were some arrows in his turban, he passed by Umar but didn’t talk to him, then he came to Abu Bakr, and he heard from Abu Bakr what pleased him, he then left happy. Umar therefore knew that Abu Bakr had pleased him, therefore he didn’t talk to him (Khalid). Umar was angry at him (Khalid) because of what he had done, by killing Malik bin Nuwayrah and marrying his wife and also for what was in his heart against him (Khalid) about Bani Jadhima case’

Source: Tarikh Ibn Asakir, Volume 16 page 258

 http://islamport.com/d/1/trj/1/111/2291.html



# Kanz ul Ummal, Volume 5 page 619 Tradition 14091:

Ibn Abi Aun and others narrated that Khalid bin al-Walid claimed that Malik bin Nuwayrah had become Murtad according to the information that he (Khalid) had received. Malik denied this and said: ‘I am a Muslim, I never changed.’ Abu Qutada and Abdullah ibn Umar testified that (Malik is Muslim) but Khalid ordered Dharar bin Al-Auzwar to behead him (Malik). Then Khalid took his (Malik’s) wife. (Umar) said to Abu Bakr: ‘He (Khalid) has performed adultery, you have to stone him’. Abu Bakr said: ‘I can’t stone him; he interpreted hence made a mistake’. (Umar) said: ‘Then dismiss him’. He (Abu Bakr) said: ‘I cannot put the sword back in the sheath which Allah has pulled out on my opponents.’(Ibn Sa’ad).


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