AlBaqir:
THE FACT:


Only the wahabi-salafiyah had tried to twist this plain hadith and interpreted it to suit their bid'at aqeedah.

Here are few Ahlu Sunnah's Imams:


1. Shawkani explains the saying of Imam Ibn al-Jarzi i.e. One should ask Allah through the intermediary of Anbiya and Pious servants of Allah: I (Qadhi Shawkani) say that to seek Intercession with Allah through Prophets and Righteous (is proven)....


2. Imam al Nawawi (rah) said in his Majmu (8/274) the book of description of Hajj, chapter of “Visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him): The one visiting should stand by facing towards the face of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and make him a means (tawassul) and seek his wasilah as intercession (shafa'at) towards the Lord.

http://www.sunnaonline.org/story.php?action=show&id=108

Rashidi, I will flood you with qaol of Ahlu Sunnah's Imams on tawassul with respect to the hadith of the blind.

THE FACT:


Only the wahabi-salafiyah had tried to twist this plain hadith and interpreted it to suit their bid'at aqeedah.

Here are few Ahlu Sunnah's Imams:


1. Shawkani explains the saying of Imam Ibn al-Jarzi i.e. One should ask Allah through the intermediary of Anbiya and Pious servants of Allah: I (Qadhi Shawkani) say that to seek Intercession with Allah through Prophets and Righteous (is proven)....


2. Imam al Nawawi (rah) said in his Majmu (8/274) the book of description of Hajj, chapter of “Visiting the grave of Prophet (Peace be upon him): The one visiting should stand by facing towards the face of Prophet (Peace be upon him) and make him a means (tawassul) and seek his wasilah as intercession (shafa'at) towards the Lord.

http://www.sunnaonline.org/story.php?action=show&id=108

Rashduct4luv:

Abuse tactics. Nothing concerns you even to clear reasoning! The Prophet was alive and the blind man was alive. Who is blind here?
It is clear!

So kindly give us one verse of the Qur'an and one qaol of Rasul where he said, "such tawassul is only meant for while I was alive". Lobatan

Empiree, and other truth seeking folks, help me ask this fellow to explain this JUICY part of the hadith he ran away from:

AlBaqir:


Why don't you explain this vital part of the hadith:

"Allahumma inni as’aluka wa atawajjahu ilaika bimuhammadin nabiyyir-rahmah. Ya Muhammadu inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi fi hajati hadhihi lituqda. Allahumma fashaffi’hu fiya"


1. bimuhammadin nabiyyir-rahmah: by virtue/station of Muhammad the messenger of mercy

2. Ya Muhammadu: Oh Muhammad!

3. inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi: I have turned to my Lord by virtue of your intercession concerning this need of mine so that it may be met....

What else do you need in tawassul other than the above supplication?

This supplication taught by Rasul himself clearly seal arguments on the validity of tawassul and put Ibn Uthaymeen's futile efforts to trash bin it belongs.

Rashduct4luv:


I know you will dogde the truth as usual. Pick the six points and counter them. The reference is attached and it's not about copy and paste. Be matured and accept the truth. I know you did not read the last paragraph of that past.

"This view was narrated from Imam Ahmad and Shaykh al-‘Izz ibn ‘Abd as-Salaam (may Allah have mercy on them) and it is the only conclusion that can be reached by fair-minded academic research."

Imam Ahmad too is SAUDIYYAH WAHABI-SALAFI abi?

Oti dafun e bayen . Odabo

Wetin concern me with your six points? The matn of the hadith is crystal clear about how to make tawssul. It doesn't need ibn Uthaymeen or Ibn Bast or Ahmad ibn Hanbal's tafsir.

What is ambiguous in Prophet's teaching of tawassul to that blind man for you to need someone's else's tafsir?

Are you that dumb not to understand the matn of the hadith?

Please move to one corner of you don't have something sensible to say.

Empiree , So "Abu Twins" naa ni "Rashduct4luv"
He reminds me of that boko haram jabata footsoldier with so many fake or cloned accounts. Wahabi and deceit.

Rashduct4luv:

This Hadith has been explained explicitly. I have bolded some points from the hadith.

# Why Bolden "some point" that are mushtaraq to those for and against tawassul? And you even went to 7 heavens to copy paste that loooong reply Its useless bro. I commend you though that you didn't falsely tag the hadith as daeef.

Why don't you explain this vital part of the hadith:

"Allahumma inni as’aluka wa atawajjahu ilaika bimuhammadin nabiyyir-rahmah. Ya Muhammadu inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi fi hajati hadhihi lituqda. Allahumma fashaffi’hu fiya"


1. bimuhammadin nabiyyir-rahmah: by virtue/station of Muhammad the messenger of mercy

2. Ya Muhammadu: Oh Muhammad!

Rashduct4luv:

As for us, we believe that this hadeeth does not constitute evidence for them to support seeking to draw closer to Allah (tawassul) by virtue of the Prophet’s person;

Thank you for admitting those are SAUDIYYAH WAHABI-SALAFI belief. The moment you try to present it or force it upon general Muslims then there will always be problem.

Saucyxo:


Sorry!

On the note of free will. I've always heard how lucky I was to be born Muslim growing up. That "it's not for a soul to believe except by the permission of Allah" . This baffles me because if then Allah doesn't give permission for someone to believe and they are punished... How is that free will ? Allah didn't give you permission to believe. You dont believe and then you're punished for not believing...

According to an authentic hadiths, man is born on pure fitra and that is freewill. It is his parents that makes him follow a particular faith/religion.

However, in the development of his life, he will encounter series of faith/religious diversity with arguments and submissions. That is why people switch from one faith to the other.

Real Faith is about conviction and conviction comes after intellectual arguments and submissions. God will only judge you based on your conviction and sincerity to it. What we have most is sentiment, blind faith etc.

Saucyxo:


Hm. Thank you for your response.

I don't know what you mean by free will given to man is not absolute otherwise he will destroy himself.

The doctor scenario doesn't really work because it's my ability to choose what I want that's in question not if I can face the consequences. If I know all the options between A - D and I go against the doctors recommendations and I die then that was my choice. And I was given complete free will to make that choice. The issue here is, In the case of religion I would be punished for going against the doctors recommendation as well as dying. I've used my free will to make my choice so why am I being punished for it ?
Except the scenario in real life is follow my way or be punished.

I am in submission to God. I understand He is our creator and His way is the best way. I'm not disputing that. But it's clearly not a free will system if I'm punished for not following His way. Its not about the natural consequences of choices its about being punished for CHOOSING. e.g Allah says not to have premarital sex. Free will gives me the option to follow that or not. Its up to me right ? If I engage in marital sex why do I get punished ? When I've been given the free will to either obey or disobey. I chose to disobey.

Yes. We pay taxes and we are punished if we dont. Theres no disguise of free will. It's very clear. Theres no option. No choice. If theres an issue I can just move to a country where they dont pay taxes and live there.

I completely understand the concept of zakat and the importance of paying it. I promise you I'm not evil lol. I'm just saying why should one be punished for using their free will ? It's like someone saying to me there are two boxes. Box A is finest things in life and Box B is just terrible horrible things. The consequence of Box B is the horrible terrible things. If I choose box B I should face my horrible terrible things. Should be now punished for choosing box B when I was told initially I had the free will to choose either ?

# In most cases, man's bad decisions do not only affect him but affect others in a negative way. Take a look at the man that detonated nuclear bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. He did it on his freewill. He ended lives of generations and rendered the earth toxicated for years etc. You meant such a person and his accomplices should be left unpunished?

Surah Fussilat, Verse 46:

Whoever does good, it is for his own soul, and whoever does evil, it is against it; and your Lord is not in the least unjust to the servants."

Life is a gift and blessing. It is a responsibility to protect it. Hurting and killing it is a form of injustice and ungratefulness to the bestower of life.

Saucyxo:


Free will:
the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion

This may be completely due to my ignorance so please dont feel like I'm insulting you or I'm making solid conclusion. I'm honestly curious and open minded to finding out more.

How can I have free will and predestination ? That sounds like a complete contraction to me. How does one know the difference between fixed predestination and the one that's not fixed? Please if you dont mind using verses to back this up.

What kind of intellect ? That's not free will. How is it choosing wrongly ? If one had free will they'd be allowed to choose as they please. Forcing one to choose a certain "guidance" in order to avoid punishment isn't free will. What if I didnt agree with those guidance or I just didnt want to follow them. I have free will. Which is the ability to do things according to my own discretion.

What ? From what I understood, if you dont follow Gods wishes you'd be punished. For example it says if you don't give zakat you'll be burnt and beaten. Free will isn't follow my rules or get punished. That would be my understanding of free will anyways.

First, freewill given to man is not absolute. Otherwise, he will destroy himself.

Consider God's wishes and various form of guidances as Doctor who knew your medical informations. Many a times, your freewill wants to choose A, B, C, D but your Doctor instruct you not to because of their consequences to your health. Upon this instruction, you still have choice to listen and obey or not to. In the long run, you will have to bear the consequences.

God is our maker. He knows the best for us; hence, His instructions (wishes) is meant for good for us. There are philosophical arguments and reasons for God's instructions. Yet, we still have the freewill to obey or not. Qur'an says:

"7. And by Nafs (soul), and Him Who perfected it in proportion;

8. Then He inspired it what is wrong for it and what is right for it;

9. Indeed he succeeds who purifies it

10. And indeed he fails who corrupts it" [sura ash-Shams: 7 - 10]

Second, intellect is a non-corporeal entity believe according to Islam to be part of soul (nafs) which is also non-corporeal (mujarad). It is an enlightened entity which brings arguments and establishes right and wrong (as verse 8 above says). Yet, the power of freewill is so strong that it can override intellectual submissions.

Qur'an further says:

2. Verily, We have created man from Nutfah drops of mixed semen, in order to try him, so We made him hearer, seer.

3. Verily, We showed him the way, whether he be grateful or ungrateful." [sura al-Insan: 2 - 3]


Third, then like I said, there is measure (qadr) and predestination (qada). Man for example has been predestined to have a particular unique features and characteristics (quiditty - maa'iyat in Islamic philosophical term) for example, two eyes, two hands, ability to stand upright, inability to fly like bird etc. This makes him distinct from other being. Man have no control over this. It is fixed. You try to change it, then you destroy yourself.

As per "paradise or hell" (for those who believe in the other world after death), man's handiwork based on his freewill to follow the instructions of his maker will decide that just like good health or bad health is associated with following or not following Doctor's instructions.

You made mention of an example in zakat. There is one beautiful hadith from Imam Ali/Imam Sadiq (peace be upon them both) which says, "the sustenance of the poor has already been aportioned in the wealth given to the rich".

Islam believe God is the bestower of wealth. He owns and designed this universe. He put wealth in various places for man. If you are given the privilege to acquire these wealth, do not be selfish. Give to the needy and poor.

Statistics showed that only 20% of world population control 80% of world's wealth meant directly or indirectly to all inhabitant of earth. Yet, there is suffering, people are dying of hunger, diseases, etc as a result of those who hoard wealth.

In the wisdom of God, zakat and other various form of monetary or wealth collection is introduced. We all admire how beautiful the western world is. They pay taxes and failure to do so earn punishment. Hence, there is punishment for those who refused to pay zakaat from what Allah grants them.

AbuTwins:


Asking for the dead to pray for one is foolishness as the dead does not have such ability. No doubt we can visit the Muslims' grave and supplicate for them. Supplication directed to the dead instead of Allah is Shirk. How can you make Tawassul through the dead when we know the dead is incapable of doing anything by itself in this world?

The Tawassul about Nabi is a wrong and an innovation.

First, according to your fikr, it is foolishness to ask dead to pray for one because "dead do not have such ability". So, is asking "living" who is assumed by you to have "such ability" okay? And is that "such ability" by his own power and will?

# None of them (dead or living) has power or will except what Allah grants them.


Second, what is haqiqat al-Insaniyyah (reality or essence of man)? Man is of matter (body) and ruh (spirit). Haqiqat of man is RUH not Jasm (matter, body).

Death comes when these two entities are separated. It is the Ruh that powers the Jasm and once the Ruh is removed, the jasm becomes useless and decayed. Ruh which is mujarad (non-corporeal) continues to live on in the world that best suit it's maiyyat (nature).

This is the reason Qur'an says in two different places, "...do not say to those who died in the path of Allah as dead; nah, they are ALIVE but you do not perceive".

Therefore asking the "dead" in tawassul does not mean "decayed matter" as your understanding holds. This is what the sahabi Abu Ayyub al-Ansari rebutted at the grave of Prophet when he corrected Marwan whose ideology is like yours by saying, "I do not come to a stone, I come to the Prophet".

Third, if you say "tawassul of Prophet" is wrong and innovation, then, you are accusing the Prophet of establishing wrong and innovation during his lifetime which the sahabah passed on; therefore, your ibn Uthaymeen and ibn baz knew better than the Prophet.


Lastly, kindly calm yourself down, relax at your leisure time and watch this 5 hours debate between SUNNI and WAHABI-SALAFI on the topic of tawassul. I'm sure you will learn a great deal provided sentiment did not becloud your judgement.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYRKuquV7_M

Saucyxo:
My biggest struggle in Islam was the idea of "Free will". I just didnt understand how we have free will if we are to be punished for not following God's wishes. It's a complete paradox to me.

# Then, you obviously been spoonfed dogmatically on wrong submission about freewill and Destiny.

# Man is given "freewill - ikhtiyar" and at the same time, there is "qadar (measure) and qada (predestination)".

# Predestination is of two types: those man has no power to alter, this kind, man will not be question on it since it is fixed.

The other, man has power to change it: in fact, it is he himself who is writing it based on his actions that are influenced by "freewill" given to him.

# Yet, God is so merciful that man is not left to use his "freewill" power without guidance. Intellect is given to him, Prophets are sent to him and divine books are left to guide him not to make wrong decision. Yet, if he choose wrongly, the door of mercy of the Lord is always open for restart.

# Man will not be punished for not following God's wishes, rather he will be rewarded or punished based on his handiwork.

The above submissions is the summary of several verses of the Qur'an put together.

ihollarmide:

Jazakallahu Khoiran. But I have few objections. According to their website, They really do believe that Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is the seal of the Prophets. And most of the points some people raised there seemed like an attack and full of prejudice. Ma Salam

Ahmadi are Muslims. Don't be fooled otherwise. Irrespective of Ahmadi factions, they are still Muslim by the virtue of this noble verse:

Surah Al-Hujraat, Verse 14:

The dwellers of the desert say: We believe (i.e we are mu'min). Say: You do not believe (mumin) but say, We submit (i.e we are muslim); and faith has not yet entered into your hearts; and if you obey Allah and His Apostle, He will not diminish aught of your deeds; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."


What makes one a Muslim is ONLY believe in Allah and messengership of Muhammad. Lobatan.

The munafiqun (hypocrites) amongst the sahabah were regarded as Muslims. Upon their hidden disbelief which Prophet knew about, he never for once excommunicated them from the fold of Islam.

Ahmadiyah are of two types:

1. Those who believe Ghullam Ahmad was Mahdi.

2. Those who claim Ghulam Ahmad was another Prophet after the holy Prophet Muhammad.

Both of the group technically affirmed the shahadatayn (there is no god except Allah and Muhammad is His messenger). This is enough to make them Muslim.

You can read more on the difference between Islam and Iman here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2105430/difference-between-muslim-mumin-believer

AbuTwins:


And from this is that a person uses the supplication of a deceased man as Tawassul to Allaah (عز و جل). He asks this deceased person to supplicate to Allaah for him. Then this is not a correct and prescribed means. Rather it is foolishness on the part of the one who asks this deceased man to supplicate to Allaah for him. Since once he dies, the actions of the deceased cease to exist, and it is impossible for him to supplicate to Allaah for anyone. Even the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم), it is not possible that he supplicates to Allaah for anyone after his (صلى الله عليه و سلم) death

Another pack of hallucination from our sheik whose submission is simply submission of the wahabi Salafi.


First, according to Qur'an "those who died in the path of Allah" are not deceased but ALIVE.

Second, according to sahih hadith, people in alam barzakh (even kuffar) see and hear the living far better than the living see and hear. So death is not obliteration. Its only a means of passage to another broader world.

Prophets are alive in their barzakh as we have read in sahih hadith. In fact, ibn Umar reported from the Prophet saying, "my life is as beneficial for you as my death. Your deeds are presented to me and if I see sins, I seek Allah's forgiveness for you."


ABU AYYUB AL-ANSARI

Imam Hakim document:

It is attributed to Dawud bin Abu Salih. He says: one day Marwan came and he saw that a man was lying down with his mouth turned close to the Prophet’s grave. Then he (Marwan) said to him, “Do you know what are you doing?” When he moved towards him, he saw that it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Radiyallahu anhu). (In reply) he said, “ Yes (I know) I have come to the Messenger of Allah  and not to a stone. I have heard it from the Messenger of God  not to cry over religion when its guardian is competent. Yes, shed tears over religion when its guardian is incompetent.


Imam Hakim declared: This is an hadith with authentic chain but they (Imam Bukhari and Muslim) did not report it.

Source: Al-Mustadrak 4:520, Hadith # 8571
https://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&paragraphid=&bk_no=74&ID=8449&Books=&start=


THE JUICY PARTS

1. Qur'an says:

"Those whom they call upon, themselves seek the means of access to their Lord (waseela - tawassul)-- whoever of them is nearest-- and they hope for His mercy and fear His chastisement; surely the chastisement of your Lord is a thing to be cautious of."


According Tafsir Imam Tabari under this verse, from Ibn Abbas, it is interpreted that it refer to the Christian who used to call upon Nabi Eesa and his mother.

Interestingly, according to this noble verse, even Nabi Eesa and Hazrat Maryam were both used to "do tawssul" using the nearest waseela (intercessor) to Allah.

Nabi Eesa was the best in proximity to Allah during his lifetime; therefore, who did he used as Waseela? Obviously, one of the "deads". The pronounce used in this verse is "masculine gender.


2. Imam Ahmad's Fatwa

Al-Mardawi said: “The correct position of the [Hanbali] madhhab is that it is permissible in one’s dua to use as one’s means of a pious person (saalih), and it is said that it is desirable (mustahabb). Imam Ahmad said to Abu Bakr al-Marwazi: ‘Let him use the Prophet as a means in his supplication to Allah..."

Source: Al-Insaf

https://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?bk_no=26&ID=15&idfrom=346&idto=1328&bookid=26&startno=818

AbuTwins:

And from the incorrect type of Tawassul is to seek nearness to Allaah by means of the status of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم), saying: “O Allaah, I ask you by the rank of Your Prophet [to grant me] such and such.” This is since the status of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) is not something of benefit to you. It is only beneficial to the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم), but as regard to you then it is of no benefit to you that you use as Tawassul to Allaah, The Most High. And as we have mentioned, Tawassul is seeking the correct means that is fruitful. So, what is of benefit to you in that the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و سلم) has an honourable status with Allaah? And if you want to make correct Tawassul to Allaah, then say: “O Allaah, I ask You by my Eemaan in Your Prophet, or by my love of Your Prophet” or the like, then this is from the correct and beneficial means.


Translated by Dr Saleh as Saleh rahimahullaah
Source : Understanding Worship – Fiqh ul-‘Ibadah – Shaykh ibn Uthaymeen
https://abdurrahman.org/2015/01/10/the-incorrect-and-futile-tawassul-means-of-nearness-to-allaah-and-its-types-shaykh-ibn-uthaymeen/

# The first question is what is sheik Ibn Uthaymeen's evidence from the Qur'an and sunnah that using Prophet's status is incorrect and fruitless in tawassul?

And where are his evidences from the "bid'at" he proposed to be correct?


# The noble verse "We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a mercy to the universe" (sura anbiya: 107) completely dispel sheik ibn Uthaymeen's hallucination.


# What crown this verse is a perfect example given by the Prophet himself in this SAHIH hadith:

Imam Ibn Majah and Tirmidhi both document:

It was narrated from ‘Uthman bin Hunaif that a blind man came to the Prophet (s) and said:

“Pray to Allah to heal me.” He said: “If you wish to store your reward for the Hereafter, that is better, or if you wish, I will supplicate for you.” He said: “Supplicate.” So he told him to perform ablution and do it well, and to pray two Rak’ah, and to say this supplication: “Allahumma inni as’aluka wa atawajjahu ilaika
bimuhammadin nabiyyir-rahmah. Ya Muhammadu inni qad tawajjahtu bika ila rabbi fi hajati hadhihi lituqda. Allahumma fashaffi’hu fiya (O Allah, I ask of You and I turn my face towards You by virtue of the intercession of Muhammad the Prophet of mercy. O Muhammad, I have turned to my Lord by virtue of your intercession concerning this need of mine so that it may be met. O Allah, accept his intercession concerning me)”.

Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 1385
Arabic reference : Book 5, Hadith 1448
 https://sunnah.com/urn/1314490


# Tirmidhi also document same hadith
 https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi/48/209

Empiree:
This is why I said earlier that Mr. Green existed in spiritual realm 'programmed' by Allah. And the reason I asked why is Khidr(as) not mentioned along with "25 prophets" is bcus these 25 prophets mentioned in the Quran and those other thousands of prophets not mentioned in the Quran were sent to people whether with kitab or not. But Khidr(as) had no record of community he was sent to. Matter of fact, me and albaqir once discussed this issue fairly before when khidr killed a boy. We argued that Khidr was not subjected to sharia of nabi Musa(as). Otherwise, he would have been guilty of murder. Shari'a of Musa haram murder. Why didnt Musa(as) punish him for killing the boy?. This is why I believe that Khidr was not a prophet but a being "programmed" by Allah to teach Musa ilm batin.

The word "servant" used in surah Kahf appears to be generic not specifically
prophethood sense as far as I am concerned. Even 'servant' was used for mushrikun and believers as well in the Quran.

First, I think tafsir based on Ir'fani (mysticism) explanation about the meeting of Hadrat Khidr and Nabi Musa make lot of sense than regular tafsir with so many curry-flavored excuses to justify what Hadrat Khidr did.

Ir'fani explanation is that Khidr simply took Nabi Musa on a spiritual journey to see more about spirituality. None of the happening took place in alam tabi'at (natural world): the fact that Khidr has nothing to do with this realm of ours. It perhaps tell the reason why Yusha ibn Nuh (Musa's companion and eventual successor) was left behind on that spiritual journey.

Second, the verse:

Surah Al-Kahf, Verse 65:

Then they found one from among Our servants whom We had granted mercy from Us and whom We had taught knowledge from Ourselves."

The word "servant" used in the verse is not of regular meaning used for every sundry. Apparently we are all "servants of God". But this is different Just like "friend of God" used for Ibrahim. All these title are special stations (darajat) reserved for deserved individuals. And they are stations far above nubuwat (messenger-hood) and risalat (prophethood). And there other exceeding stations also.

usermane:
Peace

It's more about things that didn't make sense than things that were hard. Things like;

1. Prohibition of drawing and painting animals or humans.

Figure and portrait drawing are some of the most popular form of art. I had to give up both of them.

Islam did not prohibit drawing, photography etc. What Islam prohibited was statue of worship and needless art works.

In the field of medicine, architecture, engineering, etc in which Muslims were once masters, drawing and various art works paved way for their respective development. Saying Islam prohibited drawing and art works is making the religion rigid and fanatical.

usermane:

2. Prohibition of music.

I didn't quit music for good. I recall promising to quit several times, deleting all my tracks, but only to re-download them months later.

Music is a general term which include any regular theme/rhythm. It's opposite is noise. In this definition, even adnan and recitation of Qur'an are forms of music.

What Islam prohibited is bad music. Lyrics, musical instruments, personality of musician and themes are what to be considered to determine halal or haram music. Qur'an tagged some talks vis-a-via music "lahw al-hadith (vulgar talks)" for the fact that (1). Bi ghayr ilm (No sense, devoid of knowledge), and (2). takes one away from the remembrance of God.

usermane:

3. Lunar Islamic calendar.

Why are we using a lunar calendar? We've ditched this calendar in every other area of our lives because it is just too out of sync with seasonal rhythm. I don't know how many Muslims mark their birthday or how many Muslim countries mark their national day every 354 days.

One of the most obvious flaw in the Islamic lunar calendar is how Ramadan sometimes fall in the period of midnight sun in the earth poles, so that fasting in such areas is not possible according to the Qurán specification, unless the Muslims at the poles relocate elsewhere. An option which isn't really practical for a religion that is meant for all place and time.

According to Qur'an, lunar calendar are mainly used for spiritual purposes like hajj, fasting, Eid etc. The general rule of calender according to Qur'an is: 12 months in a year. Hence, solar calender is not prohibited in Islam.

Muslims agreed and unified on the usage of lunar calendar for spiritual purposes but we are divided on ways to ascertain and read it based on interpretation, politics, theological differences. Muslim countries are united under their leaders declaration unlike a wannabe Muslim country like Nigeria with various differences.

usermane:

4. Muhammad's marriage to a 6 years old and consummation of the marriage after 3 years.

I get that this was normal during the time. But Muhammad as a man of God should've known better. Which 6 years old is ready for the romance and sex associated with marriage, especially with a man of over 50?

Yet, even with this Muslims shamelessly parrot, "Muhammad is the best example for all mankind." Which obviously cement child marriage in Islam, a practice we all hate to love.

If at this age of intellectual submissions, you still have the vague idea that Prophet of Islam married a 6 years old baby, then you are no different from the fanatics or haters of the Prophet who propagate this falsehood.

Many had been submitted to discard this myth.

usermane:

5. Prohibition against dating or courtship:

It never made sense to me that Islam forbid dating or courtship before marriage, but permits men to purchase unmarried slave women to serve as lovers or concubines.

Islam's intention is to protect the dignity and sanctity of especially woman. Courtship in most cases brings various form of sins alongside it: premarital sex, heartbreak, etc. Islam offers a simple solution In early marriage and advice the parents to assist the young couples until they can sustain themselves. This is more dignified than molesting each other.

As per slaves taken as lovers and concubine: this is another great misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Islam. Imagine a religion that tried so hard to abolish slavery, how will it allow slaves to be taken as mere lovers or sex machine?

There are several hadith where the Prophet of Islam said, "whoever freed a slave girl, educate her and then marries her, Allah will reward him...."

Slaves are to be freed, and if they have nowhere to go, they are to be married and taken care of.

usermane:

6. Hudud; Amputating thieves, stoning adulterers, throwing homosexuals off rooftops or cliffs, killing apostates.

Obviously, if you've been reading my works for the past months or years, you can see I never really came to terms with these areas of Islam. I've in fact recognized them for what they are - Man made. And have stopped struggling to come to terms with them.

Islam aim in establishing a crime free society brought about stern punishment for crimes. A society with no stern punishment will become a chaotic society and criminal hub.

Part of the mercy of Islam is:

1. Setting stern conditions to be met before punishment could be effected. For example, 4 just eye witness to adultery who saw at the same time when man's pen.is enters vagin.a. This is nearly impossible.

2. If the sinner repent sincerely, s/he should be left with no punishment.

Punishment is meant for unrepentant criminals.

OtemAtum:
Here is a little of the History of Umar, the son of Al-Khattab, according to the Book of Universal History:

Common Era II 9: 4-9

4. After him was Umar, who led the great conquest against the Persians. Now Umar had captured many of the Persians in the battle of Nahavand. Among the captured ones was Piruz, a man who was a soldier.
5. Now Piruz had been made a slave by a man named Al-Mughira. In those days, Piruz began to become close to Umar, for his master sent him several messages to the court of Umar. Then a day came when the Shias who wanted Ali the son-in-law of Mohammed as the caliph approached Piruz and said, kill Umar for us and we shall offer you safety.
6. Now in those days, Umar had twenty-five Shias in his court without knowing. And he had trusted them to protect him.
7. A day came when Umar was praying in the mosque that Piruz stabbed him twice and began to run away. Then the people chased him, but Rahaman, one of the Shias in the mosque protected him and received three blows of daggers in his chest while Piruz escaped.
8. Now Umar had served as the caliph for ten years before he was killed by Piruz who was sent by the Shias.
9. After the death of Umar, Uthman became the caliph and yet again the Shias hated him...

Kindly help us provide authentic evidences for points 4, 5 and 6. Those are astonighing claims.

Thanks

Softcash:


Is the person going to feed one poor for thirty days or how many poor?

One per day.

This is insane. "Crime" commited at 10 years old. That age is not even baaligh بالغ - grown up - as far as Sharia is concerned. How barbaric it is to now come (8 years later) to crucify him for the "crime" he committed when he was a baby?

In Islam, there is no sin and no punishment for a crime committed by non-baaligh (unmatured), an insane person and somebody asleep. Obviously Saudi does not practice Islam. Saudi only uses Islam as a tool to shield her crimes and atrocities.

Softcash:
Please everyone who's interested in answering these questions should answer and give solid references.

1. A woman was sick for a whole month of Ramadan and was unable to fast for that year. Throughout that year she was unable to make up with it during to her head condition which is not too okay. Now, the sevond year Ramadan is fast approaching and she has not make up for the previous year and by Allah's grace her health can substance the fasting for that that year.

Q: Can she fast for that year or make up for the previous year first.

If the time of that year's Ramadan has come and her health is okay to fast, s/he must fast in the "new" month of Ramadan.

The one that s/he slipped due to poor health should be repayed later after the present one. You cannot pay a qadha (debted) fast or salat at the exact time of the new one. It has to be later. This is because if you does, the fadhila time (actual time, prime period, specified time, virtuous time) for that particular aamal will be gone and it will become yet another qadha (debt).

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 184:

(Fast)For a certain number of days (29 or 30 days); but whoever among you is sick or on a journey, then (he shall fast) a (like) number of other days; and those who are not able to do it may effect a redemption by feeding a poor man; so whoever does good spontaneously it is better for him; and that you fast is better for you if you know."

However, while the sick is not able to repay his/her slipped fast, s/he will need to feed the poor daily (to the number of days slipped): meaning if the sickness hinder him for 30 days of Ramadan and was not able to fast, s/he will have to feed the poor daily for that 30 days.

Softcash:

2. Am observing salat Ishai in a room where everyone has slept and I mistakenly not raise my voice while reciting the suras.

Q: What am i goin to do?

Nothing. Your salat is okay.
What is even detestable is to disturb people with your loud recitation.

Softcash:

3. Am during the Ramadan masturbate after iftar but most of the time he won't be able to take bath and eat suhoor like that.

Q:[/b]Is he going to make up forgot it

I can't recall all the questions for now but check in later I will modify it.

[b]Answer with solid references

First, masturbation is HARAM (forbidden). It should be voided totally.

Second, If the person is impure after having masturbate (that is has emission of sper.m), and deliberately did not make ghusl before fajr (dawn) where fasting should begin, he does not have fast for that day even if he later perform ghusl after fajr. Such person will have to pay kaffara.

If he mistakingly slept off with initial intention to perform ghusl, and then suddenly woke up after fajr, he should immediately perform ghusl and continues his fasting. In this, there is no difference between he who had wet dreams or had s.ex with his legal spouse but slept off to perform ghusl until after fajr.


Another thing that is detestable is to sleep after having being impure, then wakes up and not go for ghusl, and then sleep again until after fajr.

snubish:
Thank you. I'm sure usermane knows any effort against the Quran will end in futility. So he mixed in a few hadith to confuse himself further.
The Quran is perfect, muslims are not, Islam is not. But the Quran is indeed perfect, Alhamdulillah. People are living with a pure miracle in arrogant and ignorant heedlessness.

How's Islam not perfect? If you believe Qur'an is perfect, then the same Qur'an says Islam is perfect. Muslim's interpretations of Islam is where you can find faults and imperfection.

FriendNG:


How is it impossible when Mali have seen the moon on Sunday and observe the eid on Monday.

Mali, Nigeria and most gullible African countries follow Saudi dogmatically. Most annoying part is when they lied to have seen what is not visible.

aadoiza:

I saw the headlines here that says sultan was going to make a announcement soon. Right now I don't think there was any announcement.
Just saw this:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/breaking-sultan-declares-tuesday-eid-el-fitr-day/amp/

It is IMPOSSIBLE to sight the New Crescent on Monday night anywhere in the world. Even Tuesday will have to be with the aid of telescope (which Saudi is also using).


Besides, this is not the first time Saudi will announced wrong date for Eid. Saudi uses predate calendars. Besides, she has political reasons for continuous deliberate wrong announcement

As per Emir of sokoto, he follows Saudi Arabia. He had time and again disregard the verdict of the national moon sighting committee which he chaired.

You follow Saudi or Emir at your own risk

aadoiza:

Since the moon has been sighted

For where?

Experts established it's impossible for sighting the moon yesterday night (monday) and that it could only be sighted, even with a telescope, on Tuesday, which would imply Wednesday as Eid.

Follow Saudi Arabia at your own PERIL. Saudi's announcement is only for political reasons. This is not the first time she will be getting it wrong and then apologize later.

lanrexlan:
Akhee, personally, I would prefer Tessyy1701 account to be used but if other brothers agree with your plan, then I agree with it too. And if we are going with your plan, Tessyy1701 is getting my prize on my behalf and he would send to me afterwards. I would bear all the charges. Just to let him know that I trust him and it is just misinterpretation of my post.

Jazakumullah khairan

Good suggestion. Whichever way you guys agreed with, it's all good. May Allah bless us all.

lanrexlan:
SubhanAllah!! Wallah I really appreciate this akhee, but on behalf of everyone who participated, we would reject this. Wallah, I am damn serious with it. I am deeply sorry if it seems I have sown discord and mistrust admist brothers, I am sorry for this wallah. I NEVER meant it that way, I was just airing out my view innocently and things flared up within minutes.

It seems brothers misconstrued me and think I have trust issues with them. Wallah, it is far from that. I am just trying to apply some principles of Usul Hadith. If two companions brought two closely related which seem to contradict one another, and both companions are trustworthy, another criteria would be used to give preference to one hadith over the other. It might be years spent with the Rasul or any other criteria.

Ladunal finally got my point here.

So it is not about not trusting my brother, Tessy1701, I love you for the sake of Allah akhee and I trust you and everyone who participated.

I am sorry if I have applied the principle naively, kindly forgive and pardon my tomfoolery.


Peace

Akhee al-azeez, I know how you feel. You are hurt. If it is me, I will also especially when you are misunderstood.

On the other hand, other brothers were hurt too.

On both sides, it was due to misinterpretation or misunderstanding of the message.

Who are we that cannot be misunderstood? Quran and authentic hadith of Rasul al-Akram is being greatly misunderstood.

Alhamdulillah at the end of lanrexlan comment up there, he showed the rage has been quenched. And other brothers have come to terms.


Please brothers don't give shaitan any chance of victory at all. What the devil do best is to sow discord among brothers.

Please let it go. And let's stay with the plan.

aadoiza:

This should be comfortable to Empiree but, man, I for prefer credit

You mean like mtn credit etc?

I think majority prefer money transfer into their account. Besides, the guy can offer whatever services you may want. Just show your interest.

Excel70:

Agreed but i don't have access to the email used in opening my account

All you need to do is click on Albaqir here on NL. Go to my profile and you will see "Send E-mail to Albaqir". Once you did that, it will send me notifications with your NL alias. Then, I will confirm you and send you a message (only then we can see our exact e-mail address and name). Then, you can send your account number.

Brothers Rilwayne001, Ladunal, Lanrexlan, Tessyy1701

I discussed with Empiree off NL, gave an offer and he said it's yours to accept or reject that I should discuss it with you guys. Here's it:

I will forward an account to Empiree and he will remit the money into it. The account belongs to my friend who works at sterling Bank, Osogbo.

Once he received the alert, he will inform me. Then all of you will use your NL attached email to send me your phone numbers and account numbers. Once confirmed it's you, you will in sha Allah be credited.

The offer is yours.

LadunaI:

Try and understsnd what empiree was saying, sending to individual from US will attract more charges/commission for each transfer than just one transfer which we suppose just select one among us of course base on TRUST and the rest would be history.

If that's the problem, Empiree can send it to one account and the person will do the transfer into other's account. Unless there are other problems known to Empiree