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^^^ Calm down. He's no mod.

Seun: I apologize for my unfair outburst against Jesoul. It seems I forgot to check her post because I was mad with her for a different reason.

I understand Seun. These christians can sometimes drive one mad to the extreme.

Logicboy03: Guy, while I agree with your overall point, lets not give the christians any excuse to claim persecution from us....drop the Jizz-us act and lets focus on the goal.

We truly need an atheist section. Lawd knows that you wont find me here again if we have an atheist section.

If we have an atheist section, truly, some of the foolish things that happen here wouldnt. Imagine my thread being banned for being sarcastic? I am now being told that anything I say about the bible can be censored

What do you mean drop Jizz-Us act and focus on the goal? That is exactly the goal. The freedom to praise and worship who I want no matter how hateful or distasteful someone else finds it. Your criticism is exactly the type of criticism Bobby Henderson got when he started with his church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster. He was even ridiculed by some of the so called atheists still harbouring one-way thinking process. Many religious people tried to get it banned. They protested against placing of the Spaghetti Monster statue outside a court where there are other statues including christian ones. In the end the rule of law triumphed.

So if people have the right to praise Yahweh, Zeus, Allah, Jah, Amadioha, etc on this forum, then I also must have the right to praise my Jizz-Us. Denying me such right is bigotry and gross injustice.

If they can prevent the worship of Jizz-Us, who's next? They might one day say, "stop worshipping Satan or you be banned as worshipping Satan is offensive to christians". And I have heard the bolded said a lot of times.

^^^ Or if christians want to be as intolerant as their muslim counterparts, give them their own sub-section as well.

I don't understand why a christian should be imposing how I chose to express myself here. Imagine, I cannot even praise and worship here the Most Holy One, Jizz-Us the 1st. Son of the living doG. I get banned whenever I mention his name. They say his name also sounds like the name of their god. Is is my fault if their god chose to answer a pagan name? Nonsense!

Nevertheless, there are extreme circumstances in which I believe that practices like “water-boarding” may be not only ethically justifiable, but ethically necessary. This is not the same as saying that they should be legal (Crimes such as trespassing and theft may sometimes be ethically necessary, though everyone has an interest in keeping them illegal).

I completely agree here and this is my stance on euthanasia as well.
I concede that there may be extreme circumstances where euthanasia may be ethically justifiable or necessary but everyone has an interest in keeping it illegal.

striktlymi: Hallo Seun,

If you need my binoculars, I can give it to you for free...


Unless my binoculars is broken, Jesoul never asked Chukky to send you a PM:




An apology from the big boss himself won't be a bad idea!


#You really need to respect your moderators if you want members to respect them.

I think Seun needs to sleep a bit more. Maybe he's a bit too tired from going to and fro Nairaland.

Here was me thinking JeSoul broke a rule so I can hold it against her next time she's on my case but Seun come fall my hand.

(Except if she sent a PM to chukky asking him to send a PM to Seun.)

manmustwac: No wahalla why don't you add the names of the people who made those famous quotes?

I put them in italics and did call them quotes in the title. Anyway, for me, it is the message that counts, not the messenger.

wiegraf: How exactly is playing say golf beneficial to humanity? I don't see you denying golfers their rights when they indulge in an activity that does not infringe on your rights in any way, yes?

Again, it is about individual rights, the right of one to die with dignity. There is virtually no benefit to humanity when they are forced to live on despite their wishes, so this is a gross infringement of rights. Again, think of mothers and their rights to do as they wish with their bodies, and this isn't even nearly as contentious. No fetuses (or human beings/babies as they'd have us believe) involved here.

If the right to play golf for some could mean that one day, somebody could legally force me to play golf, then golf becomes bad for humanity.

My worry is not about those that have a death wish, it is about the ripple effect the legalisation of actualisation of the said death wish would have that I'm concerned about.

wiegraf: We don't need to get into relativity atm. It isn't a murder in the sense that no one's rights are being infringed on, that's all.

Again, this is about situations where it can be applied judiciously. Certainly NOT the 3rd world.

You should know that 3rd world countries are copy copy, follow follow countries. As soon as the western world legalises it, they will start clamouring for it and some can even be pressured into adopting them. In any case, it is not about who is doing it but about whether it is right or wrong to do.

wiegraf: I'm not sure where you're going with this. There are always 'miracles', but miracles are supposedly special because they very, very, very rarely occur, yes?

The italicized is your belief. Good and fine, but I can't see why you should force it onto others, see?

The bolded, their choice. They aren't infringing on the rights of others, so what exactly is the problem again?

Finding a cure for AIDS is not miracle. It is science. 'Incurable' diseases someday may become curable through research, not miracles.

Concerning rights infringement, again, my worry is about the ripple effect, not the actual act.

wiegraf: And you're also well aware that for the few who would rather die gracefully, myriad others are well willing to fight on. I highly doubt they would be ignored. Where exactly do you think most profit would be made? Living patients, week in week out paying for treatments, or those that choose the one stop solution? Dead clients usually can't pay for any further medical services, yes?



Passive in what way? This would occur only with the approval of the person committing suicide, yes? Actually, not with his consent, but at his very own behest, so was he passive when he went out of his way to seek out the procedure?

Passive in the actual act of the killing.

wiegraf: This here is senseless 'THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!'. Were in the world do I mention that they should be disposed of?

Unless I misunderstand what euthanasia means, I think "disposing of" the sick is a well suited classification.

wiegraf: The bolded is clearly false. You are preventing one from receiving his preferred form of treatment simply because you don't like it. The patient has rights too, yes?

Killing sick people is not a form of treatment.

wiegraf: The italicized, not at the expense of individual rights when it clearly does not profit us.

Collective rights trumps individual rights especially where the granting of the said individual right is clearly not beneficial to the community.

wiegraf: The green, their duty also entails a lot of other things including helping society as a whole and helping patients and their... rights.

GBAM!

wiegraf: The bolded, again, I wonder where you draw these conclusions from. And, that is your opinion. You should well understand how silly it is for one to force others to subscribe to his beliefs simply because.

The italicized, it grants YOU the right to cut off YOUR arm so long as YOU wish to. Someone else doing it for you is simply acting on YOUR behalf, as YOU requested, following YOUR explicit instruction. Actually, ill or not, you should have that right, depending..

I think you may have confused the word wanked-off with whacked-off.

Mudley313: 1. ...so are muslims, and any other religion outside of the christian sect...i don't believe in the imaginary jewish yaweh, arabian allah as much as i don't believe in the nordic's thor, greek's zeus, yorubas olodumare, mister satan or whatever imaginary man made deity you pagans be worshiping these days
2. one does not necessarily have to be "anti-christian" to be atheist; the fact that i don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster does not mean that i'm against poor ol flying spaghetti monster



i dunno what you're on about because i personally wouldn't want an exclusively atheist section...only people scared of those critical to their beliefs (or lack of) will be insecure enough to want to be secluded in a section where they can just circlejerk to each other, like the muslim sub section

In that case, let Seun remove a religious zealot as the moderator in this section or provide a christian sub-section like he did for the muslims and let the zealot moderate there.