₦airaland Forum

Avicenna: OK, fair enough.
but
Why i look at it from the perspective of the patient is that the patient may be ME or maybe YOU. It could be anybody.
I want you to honestly answer this question;
What if it was you?

Individualising social problems mostly lead to different perspective. Of course every individual, including me, would want the most personally beneficial position in any situation. That's why everybody takes bribe. It enriches the taker but impoverishes the group.

When people see a thief being lynched, most of them would urge people on, thank their gods and some would even participate in the lynching. Would they have the same reaction if it was their own brother that is being lynched? So there you have the answer to your question. Points of view change when things become personal.

Is massob helping or harming Igbos? I have been asking myself this question for years and have come to the conclusion that they are harming us more than they are helping us. We need something that unites us, not a divisive, extortionist organisation that is barking without biting.

This group raised the hopes of all Igbos when it was formed. When Uwazuruike was arrested, the nation of Igboland stood up as one and protested and he was released. But over the years, apart from raising flags, releasing nonsense statements, disturbing peaceful fellow kinsmen and generally serving as shooting practice targets for nigerian armed forces, they have not done a single useful thing for Igboland.

It's time I stopped feeling sorry for them.

i thought your god would provide for you. so he too, like Halla, depends on humans to provide what should be his. Sounds like a scam to me.

Copy and paste pastor that can't reason with his own head.

I'm sure he may have not even read the bible he is preaching.

Here's a project you can join, Logicboy.

I hope you don't send people back to doG after listening to you.

Logicboy03: What is wrong with you? Everyone is having a laugh, then you spoil the day by breaking rule 20.

MMC, ban this guyz azz abeg.

Boy! this is religious section where transgressions and evil manifestations are chastised and rebuked. If you want to laugh, there's a jokes section for that.

wiegraf: He simply missed your point completely. Perhaps you still give them too much credit.

You're now yoruba?

What virus got that idea into your head. DOG forbid!

Mr anony: It's the law. People actually go out of their way to buy the form here.

I hope they check the psychological conditions of people filling those forms.

akthedream: So,the act of killing Policemen by these igbo criminals is classified as Armed Robbery and not Terrorisism right?..Hypocrisy is a deadly desease..

I have it on good authority that the two killers were not Igbos. One is from Kwara state and the other is from Bauchi.

He is a christian afterall. Why wouldn't he project fear?

Soldiers of christ. All the same. Cowering when they should act.

musKeeto: No wahala.. I hope it isn't written as muskeeto.. You'd have to breathe a soul into my NL account then, and drag it off to your hades..

It was your real name. There's a bracket by the side saying (a.k.a. musKeeto of Nairaland) That's how I know it was you.

Mr anony: Interesting, I'd still say you don't have the right to kill him.

Now permit me to tell you what the law states here in UK. Here you have the right to make an advanced decision i.e. "if anything happens and I am in a vegetative state, pull the plug". But you'll have to make this decision and put it in writing and validate it legally before your calamity befalls you.

I have yet to see someone sign such a document. Imagine authorizing people to kill you if you fall sick!
Logicboy, would you sign such a document?

zanga420: I agree with you bro, they're trusted enemies. They issue we have in this triangular tribal setup is that one is so deceitful n mischievious that they side with evil to set on tribe against the other. The hausas are good, if we can renegotiate our terms of living together. I always say.
1. A country of hausa+igbo =a great respectful n flourishing country, but their feud's no retreat no surrender.
2. A country of hausa+yoruba =a good country with lotta of bottled dissatisyed people.
3. A country of igbo+yoruba =a sophisticated, intelligient n trickery country. Wot do you think

Are you saying that yoruba people bring dissatisfaction and trickery?

And what type of name is that? Which sex kills? Sex with humans or with snakes?

Logicboy03: Well, childhood diseases causing such pain are quite rare

I would have thought that as a defender of euthanasia, your main concern would be more about the severity of the suffering than the frequency of the disease or the age of the patient.

Avicenna: Is it right by mankind?
@Alfa Seltzer
truly, euthanizing suffering patient(painful,'incurable' diseases) may slow down development of treatment for said disease but
compassion for that patient is what made me think about validity and correctness of euthanasia.

for instance, a adult man is involved in an accident, he suffers loss of control of his limbs and complete paralysis.The resulting prognosis; no treatment(cure) now or in the near future( i know there's lot of activity these days on treatment of spine injuries, just painting a scenario), he runs out of funds to pay for his round the clock care. Hospital put up some funds for a few weeks then abandon him. he CANNOT move. This causes accumulation of fluids on one side of his body. he's in extreme pain.he BEGS for death. NO ONE obliges him. he passes away after some days.
Now,
is the best thing keeping him alive by donating funds to him with no 'preferable' treatment in his future? Donations are risky by the way.
or allowing him to go without pain and in dignity?

this is a question of morality of the action.

Of course morality may dictate that we take a course of action that are detrimental to our general well being. You are seeing the problem from the point of view of the patient and what his best interests in the matter is. I am trying to look at the general picture. At the consequences for mankind if individual intrests takes priority over group interests.

As my little debate with Logicboy showed, these matters are not simple nor straightforward but we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere for the benefit of the group. If a few individuals have to suffer for mankind to progress, so be it. That's where I stand on the issue.

musKeeto:

Lmao...

Men, I'd never be a Satanist.. satanists are such cute babies...

Hehe. You are already one yet. I checked. Your name is written in the book of Hades.

striktlymi: For very obvious reasons:

You just made my point : everybody knows what we are talking about when we say god. To pretend otherwise is living in denial.

Logicboy03: Yes, you did.


Do you watch Zombie movies with your brain locked.......when a character is being chewed slowly by a pack of zombies and the hero does the best he can do- shoot the chraracter being eaten in the head!

This is the same moral dilenma faced with euthanasia

Lord have mercy.

Oahray: Hmmm... Are you saying the atheist isn't smarter afterall?

No. Not at all. The atheist just brings himself down to the level of christian comprehension. It's like when you are talking to children. You use images they can identify with.

Logicboy03: Guy.....let us not have this dance...you go wound ooooo!


Your philosophy was Anonyistic (see what I did there? ). You were kinda saying that euthanasia is forced. That is why I told you that it is voluntary.

Euthanasia is still suicide one way or the other. Assisted suicide. If a person is going to die soon in the immediate future and prefers to die quickly rather than days/weeks of agonizing pain, what is wrong in speeding up the process?

Wow! Did I just read the bolded?

Logicboy03: What are you on about? One is far rarer than the other. Euthenasis is mostly geared towards adult.

Even at that. Child euthenasia is mostly at infant stage....just to show you how rare it is for your 14 year old child example.


So, you have shited your argument to child euthanasia after losing on the major area consenting adults. Dont worry, I will still debunk you.


First off, let us start with the most common form of child euthanasia.....infanticide. infant euthanasia. This problem would be cured naturally and easily if they aborted the deformed baby in the first place or immunized/treated the baby ASAP. This form of child euthanasia is totally avoidable.


Secondly, as rare as it would be for prepubescent to teen euthanasia, even if it happens, there are ways around it. First off, a child can not give consent, therefore the child has to first (voluntary freewill) want to die and then the parents or legal guardians must then sign the consent as well.

Social services would monitor the child and as well as a independent state certified psychiatrist (who has no conflict of interest- eg family friend) who will find out whether the teenager really cant withstand the pain and truly wish to die.

But then, I support countries that ban euthanasia for children except for very rare and exceptional cases.



So, what is your argument now?

I wish you were a christian, then I would understand why you talk like this.

I was on about my philosophical view on euthanasia and you came with your "voluntary" nonsense. When I showed you it was a two-edged sword, you started twisting and dodging questions. Now you are back to proposing ways of making euthanasia acceptable and legal. That was not my point. My point was, even if we make it legal and acceptable, is it the right thing for us humans to do? Even if it becomes volutary, is it right?
Take the case of suicide. Sometimes a person suffers so much that they voluntarily kill themselves. Is it right? For them, maybe. But for the rest of mankind? Should we encourage suicide in extreme difficulties? Those are the questions I raised which you tried to derail.

Logicboy03: Africans were*


I have made this argument before-

How could we Africans be descendants of 2 Jewish people with Hebrew names (Adam and Eve) if Africans were the first humans on earth? How is that possible

I thought we were the descendants of the 8 incestuous jewish family that survived the great flood that stemmed from the anger of yahweh, the loving god that created us perfectly so we can disobey and force him to kill himself so we can get forgiveness in order to stay with him in his magic heaven indefinitely.

^^^ So why is it that when I use Jizz-Us, people see it as the same as jesus, the son of god?

Logicboy03: So, you want me to be debunked in epic proportions? I gotta be careful

You are already debunking yourself in epic proportions by dodging simple questions. Just like Anony.

Logicboy03: Well, childhood diseases causing such pain are quite rare
Secondly, parents/guardians are there plus social services to give consent if the matter should arise.


Wow, I have really thought about this more than you, eh?

And you accuse me of annonynism!

Are we going to talk about rarity of diseases now? In that case, adult diseases causing such pains are also very rare.

If you start putting the consent of parents and governemnt workers into the equations, where is this voluntary freewill you were on about before?

Logicboy03: say 19 and upwards

You are very right to be cautious in your response and avoid the requested precision.

Logicboy03: say 19 and upwards

So, according to you, everybody below the age of 19 cannot be euthanised even if they are hopelessly suffering extremely since childhood?

olajide21: I have wondered over time if there are any part of the catholic bible where they were instructed to forgo marital bliss and remain unmarried. If the rest of the world decides to be as pious as the catholic priest and sisters, what would happen to the world in the next 100 years.......... God knows better that is why He created Adam, Knows Adams needs a companion both in Worshiping God and Procreation and added Eve and not STEVE.

Kindly note that this not a case of castigation but .................... just wanted to know if there are such laws, and if there are why are others not following in that steps?

That's why people should not copy jesus. If we all start walking around jobless, not having babies and being generally unproductive, humankind is doomed. That jew is a bad example.

Logicboy03: 14 year old girl cant give consent. A mentally stable adult can give consent. Try again



lol....at Anony

At what age precisely, would you consider someone as mentally stable enough to give consent?

Logicboy03: Doctors are not required to give euthanasia against their will. The willing ones do it at the request of a patient.


So....again how is euthanasia not voluntary?


When Anony supports you, just know that you are wrong

If a 50 year old man seduces and sleeps with a 14 year old boy (or girl), at the request of the minor, mind you, do you find anything wrong with that?


Concerning anony, you should know that even broken clocks are correct twice everyday.