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[quote author=Demain_man link=topic=606079.msg7910091#msg7910091 date=1300122491]Guys! The difference in the number of bags of cement required for the german floor in the case of Am Alone/Brabus houses when compared to Mr Spyder house is too much ooo,

Can nigeria contractors be that calous as to reap people off sometimes upto 100 bags of cement?

Na wa for WAEC oooo.

Please, how then does one guard against this type of reap off? ehh.

At the rate Mr spyder is going it will probably cost him less than N800,000 to bring this house to lintel level.

When I compare it to how much i spent to bring my house in the village to the same level(mind u, the design are very similar). I go just begin cry

These people don finish me ooooo[/quote]Hahahahaha bros easy ooo
I was there when they mixed the cements,
I monitored everything. All those cements, went right into ma German floor
Peace!!!

Lagos is the only place where everything is been inflated
Check out Spyder german floor, you will see that he
didn't buy pure water for the people that did it for him
and didn't cook them rice as well.
Bros, if na Lagos, na must o! You must buy pure water
and you go still settle them! Na go e be here!
Peace

aaidel:
i really must say this thread has been an eye opener im planning to start work on my own house soon
as for the constant bickering and squabbling we all should be more mature and patient in getting points across
as for the ratio controversy i asked a friend who is a civil engineer and into construction works and he said 1:2:4 means i bag of cements is equivalent to four headpans of sand and 8 headpans of gravel but he also pointed out that it is not cut and dry deal and often it is down to experience. so i think that should help for those of us that dont really understand what the big fuss is about

@ spyder, this post corresponds with mine
regarding the 1:2:4!!! like I said, the ratio 1 is
a half bag of cement!
Peace!!!!

kuntash:
@ Spyder, make I no vex for u O,  you mean say all wkd na argument and who go skool and who no go and who be olodo una use am make?,  although you have given details of what it cost u to get to german floor, ,  thats great , I appreciate the info as it would help me, whether headpan or no headpan ,  I am sure even the workers would shout or raise eye if all isnt well,  but I would appreciate you stop arguing or insulting anyone rgds your thread, yes some people can make even spit for their face, but ask urself if its really worth it,  so  pls refrain and be matured!

@ U r alone,  e go better for u, shebi I don suggest am b4,  this thread is titled "the REAL cost of building a 6 bedroom duplex ", I would be the first to comment on your thread and comments go plenty like this too, ok? it would form a better basis for objecting comparison  for those who wanna gain from here, and no be to dey quarrel and insult people anyhow,  once in a while u can just throw a comment,  if the thread owner wan argue, ignore as far as u ve made your point,  I appreciate you be mature about this, remember, its possible for a thread owner to let the administrator restrict people that has the right to comment on a thread,  so freedom to comment its not really absolute,  cheers!

U have started !!! changing my name is like insulting me. Please keep your coments to yourself, I don't need it!
thanks
@ spyder, me no get problem! All is well. Anyways, I won use this opportunity to apologize to you. I admit I
had wronged you all alone. Bros, no vex! And no take am personal o! Because me no take anything personal
noting you say or did don vex me!! Gudlucks with your house!
Peace

Enough of all those talk please
Back to the subject matter!!
Once again my house is a 4 bedroom bungalow
and I just finished the gutter roof last week Thursday
The bricklayer complained that the 280,000 that I gave him
from foundation to the gutter roof casting was too small
I wanted to give me an extra 15k oo! Because I can easily feel
for people!!! Like for example, I paid an extra 10,000 for the digging
of my soak-away pit, because the ground was too hard
and did same for the digging of the well!!!!
But for the bricklayer, I no gree o!
I tell am say agreement na agreement! But i still give am 5k sha
and I thank GOD ALMIGHTY SHA
I will add that to the cost when I post my updated cost!!!

Furthermore, I will start the wooden work for my house this week!!!

@ Violent,

I don't have problem at all. I am not really about standard no standard
But some page back, Spyder was talking about hand mould blocks and gravel
and he was saying they are the best!!! I just brought my own argument to it
that if they are the best why were they not also used by construction company
then he came up to say 4.7million(then I was at 4.4million don't know where he
go that figure) was too much for just a bungalow. That is why I always want him
to see that house have standards. And it may never be too much depending on
your standard. Anyways,  I rest my case! No point attacking or questioning him
I don't keep enmity. Removing all my previous post ain't worth it!

Imagine somebody called Violent, Making Peace,

Shalom!!!!

spyder880:
Is there anyway we can keep illiterates away from this great forum, any suggestions?

spyder880:
If only you spent a little time at school, you will understand the meaning of ratios. But its unfortunate you need lectures, 1:2:4 to cement (lets assume a bag of cement has 4 headpans) it means that you use up to 8 headpans of sand and 16 of gravel, even more than what I used!.

This is what he said that triggered those words right out from my PC
It doesn't counts, does it??

No problem!!! So that ppl don't
criticize me again. I want to make this thread more useful
since its say 6 bedroom flat
i will remove my mouth and previous messages
and refrain from posting any more messages
and c how it goes. Whenever I'm ready
i may open up a thread that say 4 bedroom bungalow
Peace!

@ Violet,

According to you last post. The thread has being very informative
but if you notice, it is because of the many contribution of many others!!!
The poster has done just a few work! So when you say very informative
I believe you must have counted brabus post, my post and some other people's post
A tree does not makes a forest!!!

violent:
This thread has been very informative from the get go, i would however suggest that contributors keep it that way, that's the only way others could gain much more from it. I also praise the patience of the Poster at enduring several cynical attempts by others to cause arguments and derail the thread

@Am Alone

The Poster made it clear from the beginning that he planned to detail the costs incurred on HIS own project.  His objective was not to compete with others on the quality of materials or how much is going to individual projects, and from all indications, he has only been able to cut his coat according to his cloth, why should that even be wrong?

Some spend over 300 million building their houses, others keep it as low as 5 million, to each his own!  After all, my great grandparents built their first homes with mud bricks, and the stuff is still standing as i type.

This is the first two lines of the thread

What are you saying? was I not contributing?!
Mud bricks are very very strong and you know it
but you have to set it with cement. If they used
mud, it may still be standing
but e go don loose shape and taste!!!
did ppl still sleep in it?

ftmom:
Nice thread

@Am alone, I truly believe it would have been better to create your own thread at the very beginning. I have to compliment Spyder's patience because you often come across as competing/criticizing his methods and costs. As he rightly said, that is very childish. Not too many people could tolerate your comments the way he has stomached them. Yes, you are doing well and I'm happy at your achievements for such a young man. Give honor to whom honor is due. If the older man with more construction work in his past says this is how he's doing his own and advises people (who ask him, by the way) based on his own perspective; let him be. E je ki a b'owo fun agba (respect to whom it is due).

@ Spyder

This is an excellent thread and I'm following it closely because of our own plans. Hitherto, we tended to flow with the idea of buying from the developer and then do the necessary overhaul once we take possession. This, because we did not want to have to deal with the constant thievery that goes on when you build yourself. Thievery with the developer too but at least you buy so-so model for Nxxx. Our society is one in which the big spender is regarded as "the man." I'm old school myself and like the Chinese, I boast when I've saved money not when I've spent it. For many of us, your perspective is more beneficial. May I implore you to please, continue posting as much as possible in keeping with the spirit of the thread. Enough of the distractions, please, it's becoming too hard sifting through what is relevant and what is not. At some point, I even thought the brabus fellow was a developer looking for clients here because of his posts.

Ha! Mam, I don't know why you choose to attack me like this. The truth is always bitter to hear and you know it. I did what I have to do and I am not competing/criticizing at all. You see it as criticizing and I believe some other people who know what I am talking about see it from some other perspective as well. And I believe you understand this is a forum. Where people bring their ideas together or whatever. And I don't need to create my own thread!!!!

I no go because say i c person do a i go go do my own a
I talk wetin i know. If i c person dey tell another person say
a say 1 plus 1 na 2 and i me kno say 1 plus 1 na 3
whether i dey wrong or not no matter. I just get to let the person
know say na wetin i no be this o! so make him go ask other ppl
to confirm for himsel. I have built about 3 houses for my dad
one storey, 2 story (two of them) and the measurement we used
for the building is 1:12:12 as spyder has stated
and then cement was around 950 to 1200,  The sand we use are fresh
water sand. The blocks were hand mold. We didn't even do german floor
And the houses are over 10yrs now and still standing

But today I cannot build house like this. The truth is that,
if you build a solid house, you sure will enjoy it in the future
it doesn't matter how many times you have done it, you may still be
repeating mistakes without you knowing!!! I no go tell you lie
that is why i say make you take am outside. Go ask people outside.
Or go see all those construction companies wey dey build bridges and
sky-scrappers make you tell me! Houses are forever(at least for a lifetime)
if you do cheap cheap, you go suffer am!!! Maybe 30 or 40 years later
you go see the difference. And you can call me silly! thank you!!!
But you no see the places wey na him first rain insult sha
thank you!!!

^^ close to 3million bro, (2.8 to 2.9 sha)

I  have done my well and finished the soak-away pit from that money and still have about 1000 blocks

pss:
@ Am Alone, for some reason the picture is not loading.
I'm planning to build 2 flat (3 bedroom each) & 5 bedrroom duplex on a 80 by 90 land and intend to leave 5 at both sides, 5 at the back and 40 infront
Is the 5 acceptable? And Is 40 infront too much?

The 40 in front is not too much
as a result, it is very okay!
The 5 too is kindly of okay sha
but if you can make it any bigger to 6 or 7
or you make one 5 one 7
Gudluck!

^^which land?

@ Brabus

Someone I know did a german floor here in Lagos
for 2 bedroom flat (four) and the German floor was 4 inch high
total cement used was 120 bags

Spyder don't take it personal man

pss:
Am Alone and Spyder: Please ignore each until both of you are able to make peace.
Am Alone, I understand you are younger. Please give Spyder some respect
Spyder, In understand you are older. Please give the small boy some respect

Thanks!!!! You D man
@ Spyder, Peace to you & your family,

No need to argue
My cement are finished. When I buy some more
for the plastering of the house I will divide  a bag of cement
into two of those head-pan and send you photos.
Peaces,

Spyder, we are friend and you know it!!!
1 love all the way,

@ Spyder
I'm not here to make troubles with you
or to fight you. If it is good, I will tell you
You get your own & I get my own
If you are doing it right no probs.
No point arguing with you man
it ain't worth it!!! IT'S YOU HOUSE!!!!
But please can you change the topic to
'Very Very Cheap And Substandard Way Of Building A Six Bedroom Duplex'??
Please,
Thanks in advance
I rest ma case
man I no talk to u again
I'm happy for you ooo - seriously
Because I know it ain't easy!!!!
GOD WILL SURE SEE YOU THROUGH!!!
PEACE/SHALOM!!!
How furthermore, bros how you dey enjoy your weekend na?

Yes Mix-leading
what if I say I choose to spell it that way
Or I say I mistype?? Man that mix there is for the 1:12:12 you mixed
na wetin you won take talk now!!!
LOL nobody is perfect maybe you should go back to all my post
I'm sure you will get some more to laff about

You sick!

You go back to school
Go and complete what you started there
You don't know, don't say
One bag of cement can even be converted to 26 head-pans
depending the quantity to which you are diving it
But for a standard, it is divided into just 2 head-pans
You get the logic

So tell me, for the decking you will still mix 1:12:12 abi
Since 1:2:4 According to you is a waste of money
please do it your way 1:12:12 for the decking
THANKS

What you don't understand is that
cement is like alcohol, while granite and sand is like water to it
The more you keep adding granite and water and sand the more diluted it becomes
and you know it!
You are mix-leading people I will not watch you do that
Shey na only you do german floor here?
Abi Brabus do him own? And i dey very sure say
if other people post their own he go correspond with ours
but to you we dey waste money!!!!
People like you never learn
Then you go say: "Everybody can be wrong!"

spyder880:
Right from the first day you joined my thread, you have been looking for a fight, I suggest you leave now, open your thread and watch me from the sidelines, clearly, you dont understand anything about buildings, you are brash and boastful, very insolent and uncourt! Learn some manners man!

You are the insolent one here Mr. Spyder
It is a waste so long as it is not done by you
now a government worker you've said
wasting money!!!!
Do you think Julius Berger is a fool?
or those Arab contractors are fool huh?!
Or the forth milan bridge was build with 20 bags of cement?
And mind you it is not your thread
There is no forum rule that says I should not post of this thread

You go look for your own thread!!!
"Very Very Cheap And Substandard Way Of Building A Six Bedroom Duplex" lol!!!

spyder880:
If only you spent a little time at school, you will understand the meaning of ratios. But its unfortunate you need lectures, 1:2:4 to cement [b](lets assume a bag of cement has 4 headpans)[/b] it means that you use up to 8 headpans of sand and 16 of gravel, even more than what I used!

Assuming kor, Azubike Ni!!
@ spyder you are the illiterate here
the ratio 1 for the cement is half bag of cement foooooooooolz @40
a bag of cement  contains 2 headpan

^^c olodo dey call person olodo!!!

Na

Brabus no argue with am again ooo
as u said "somepeople will never learn!"

@ Brabus,

You are still my MAN!!!!
The 1:2:4 you use for your house
is exactly what was used for mine
and I gave the cement mixer 73k for the mixing and labour
I used Granite! And as we know granite is quite better than gravel

Mr. Spider, before you say 4.7million including land is too much for as bungalow to the stage it is as @ now
next time try to ask for the qualities of materials & labour used on the project
please compare 1:12:12 to 1:2:4 hahahahah!!!!
even the blocks you are molding is not machine vibrated
then to the face that it is around 44 blocks to 1 bag of cement
now I get it when you say you can do better than Brabus with cost
but I must confess that what you are building cannot be compared to what brabus is,
also is this is how you build all those your houses

Even for the small casting of my gutter roof consumed 55 bags of cement
1:12:12 and you get mouth dey talk say wetin I dey build dey too expensive
If i used 1:12:12 and gravel and mould 44 blocks to a bag of cement for block(non hollowed blocks is 26 to a bag of cement bros)
by now my total cost will be around 1.2million man!!!!
@kuntash!!! I hope you are following

@ spyder,
You did very well negotiating the carpentry work
I mean @2,000 Naira
That is magnificent
Well location matters sha
here in Lagos, Carpentry works are trice more expensive(I think)
Secondly, 23 bags of cement
At what ratio??
I use 80 Bags of cement for my German floor
And the thickness is 3 inches(though the house is big and the balcony is 4 inches thick 13 by 14 or so)
And the cements was mixed with machine!!

@ Brabus abeg how many bags of cement you use take do your German floor??

I bought a 2plot of land on the major road
last year May, it cost me 11m per plot
The distance from Agric bus-stop to the land
is about 7minit drive and also it is less than quater
the full lent of the road. That was last year
and the road was very bad then, But now it has been
repaired, at least far much better than before, The further
for go from the bus-stop the cheaper it become