PrecisionFx:

History books confirm history books. The bible has no backing whatsoever as proof that it happened.
Bible is a religious book, Its same with Koran n every other holy book.

Use ur common sense.

Just look at your argument! You are saying history books are confirmed by history books from which they derived their history. WHAT CONFIRMS THE ORIGINAL HISTORY BOOK? Was the author there? Even if he was, were you there? How can you trust his account? Can't u see u can say the original history book was made up by Romans or whoever? Can't u see that everything we think we know is based on common sense and preponderance of evidence? Even our very existence. You want the bible to be the only exception.

Look, my friend, at a point we really need to stop being too clever by half and admit that certain things are very likely mostly true (due to overwhelming indirect and circumstantial evidence) otherwise we will never get anywhere.

Here is a small fraction of a list of things I could dispute and you'd have no way of proving them to me (I'd use the argument of conspiracy/brainwashing/manufactured evidence/made-up books and experiments/doctored photographs and documents, etc to dispute whatever u say)
1) There is no such person as Seun. He is a composite of different people. (Even if a Seun is brought to me, I'll still say he was "created" by the conspirators as a cover-up)
2) the sun revolves around the Earth. I experience that everyday.
3) historical events never happened, they were made up. Were u there?!
4)There is no such thing as dark matter, nor is there anti-matter. Ridiculous notions.
5) there are no such things as photons, electrons, quarks. Show them to me.
6) Stars are small specs of lights in the sky, smaller than the moon.
7) The sun is smaller than the earth, much smaller.
Of course the earth is flat. That's a no-brainer. You can see that for yourself.
9) Black holes? Where? Don't make me laugh.

You get the drift?

Same way u accept certain things u were told without splitting hairs, let's also accept the following and stop being ridiculous.
(SO NO MORE ARGUMENTS OVER ANY OF THESE):

1) A spirit/supernatural world exists though it is not in any way detectable by scientific equipment or logic.
2) The story of the Jews and God in the Bible is essentially true though there are myths and fables mixed in but these are easily discernable.
3) the story of Jesus Christ as presented in the bible is essentially true.
4) A pious, mild-mannered, man called Muhammad had a powerful supernatural encounter that deeply traumatized him and changed him, and defined his life's mission.
5) Many African and world religions were/are backed by supernatural forces - real demonic powers.

Any more questioning of any of these, then u have to take me to a point where I can see the earth actually going around the sun for me to believe it is not the other way around.

johnnyvid:
you will never believe it cos' you have not been scam. Infact it's very true ooo. scammers are all over now looking for more clients to play their games on. it's not only Nigerians, there are ghanians too.

Of course there are scammers everywhere but no scammer is this dumb. He's so dumb cos he ain't real. Why a blogger? What's the name and website of the organization?

thedondada:


Might be true.


The guy is dumb though. Very dumb.

In fact very stupid. See how local the scam looks.

And his name is adewale Samuel.....


Of to Facebook

He's so dumb cos he ain't real. Why a blogger? What's the name and website of the organization?

Bloggers making up fake chats since time imo river, all to drive traffic!

PrecisionFx:



Oga where is ur archelogical evidence


""Those who never even met the human Jesus but only the Spirit (like Paul) were so affected by it they were willing to give up their lives for it""



Paul is a bible story, just like every other story in th bible. It proves nothing. No other historical book on earth contains information in the bible, even till today, the United nations does not treat the bible as a historical book for obvious reasons. The bible is a religious book and the world knows how ALL religious books come to light.

The bible cannot confirm the bible, Every book needs history other verified history book to back it up n that's not the case wit the bible.

Bros, there are too many of them. Google "9 archaeology finds that confirm the New Testament"

My man, EVERYTHING IS BASED ON COMMON SENSE AND PREPONDERANCE OF EVIDENCE.
We have no way of knowing if anything is true including our very existence. You have no way of knowing If "history" is true. Some people are vociferously saying the earth is flat and are so sure of it they are willing to to die to prove it. The bibble cannot be the only thing that requires absolute proof.

PrecisionFx:




Start saying the truth.

Zoe ministry is dead n buried.

What's wrong with this guy? Here are more screens hots of upcoming events of Zoe minitries:

zynzyn:
Guys that made money with sweat won't spend $10,000 on a bottle of champagne!!

Lie Muhammed. U got money, u be looking for expensive things to spend on.

9tailskid:


Folks can be weird.
Did u have to type the whole long epistle?

Yes, how else can I get it to u to read?

CriticMaestro:
looting is hard work abi

No. But he inherited also. Looting PLUS inheriting is hardwork.

sonmvayina:


Jews detest Christian's yes, because Christianity was created as an insult and mockery against their God.....Daniel 7:25..

By the Romans on the order of empiror Constantine who wanted a single religion for his empire. They had to choose between mithrasm or Christianity, which was the cult of inanna and dimuzi..they choose Christianity after agueing for 4 months...forged and fabricated the new testament..they went ahead and super glued it to the Tanark..to insult the most high..

The Romans will pay....they sure will..

I can't believe a living, thinking human being actually believes this nonsense! Historical Constantine who was the last of his household to embrace christianity, whose predecessors all persecuted Christians. THAT IS HISTORY!!

PrecisionFx:



Which useless archaeological evidence.....Abeg name them

And which useless miracles Abeg name den wit evidence.

The whole Christianity ish was formed by the Italians, Its was just an Italian job.

Christianity started in Rome.

Till today Jews who are Jesus's brother's dont believe in Jesus. Do the math

Jews were too blinded by there preconceived notions to see the reality of the Person in there midst.

Those who never even met the human Jesus but only the Spirit (like Paul) were so affected by it they were willing to give up their lives for it.


Here is something written by an achaelogist:

"Along the way I hope to discover how Christian texts and traditions stack up against the discoveries of archaeologists who began sifting the sands of the Holy Land in earnest some 150 years ago.

But before I begin my pilgrimage, I need to probe an explosive question that lurks in the shadows of historical Jesus studies: Might it be possible that Jesus Christ never even existed, that the whole stained glass story is pure invention? It’s an assertion that’s championed by some outspoken skeptics—but not, I discovered, by scholars, particularly archaeologists, whose work tends to bring flights of fancy down to literal earth.

“I don’t know any mainstream scholar who doubts the historicity of Jesus,” said Eric Meyers, an archaeologist and emeritus professor in Judaic studies at Duke University. “The details have been debated for centuries, but no one who is serious doubts that he’s a historical figure.”

PrecisionFx:



Zoe ministry is long dead.

Stop lying

HIS MOTHER IS A LESBIAN??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If gayness was openly accepted Jay-Z would never have been born - a good case for why it should stay in the closet.

PrecisionFx:


The mega churches arrived in Nigeria late, Mega churches has been around long before today across Europe n America's. Now it has died there already.

Religion has peaked in Nigeria, Right now it's diminishing. Didn't u notice how many irreligious people that post here on nairaland?? Their number has become astronomical compared to 10 years ago...

Mention one mega church that has died. Only churches that stop being Christ-focused start to lose members.
Christianity spreading even to the remotest parts of the world and here u r probably thinking of people that were really never Christians in the first place.
U r funny guy. Nairaland is your statistical sample!

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PrecisionFx:



Those who knew him knew he had a father n mother n that he couldn't have been God.


Meanwhile Christianity is quickly dying worldwide, Its not getting stronger.

He is an everliving Spirit that inhabited a specially made human body 2000 years ago but continues alive, still performing wonders as b4.
How many mega churches are there today? Compare that to few years ago when there was none

PrecisionFx:


Hee question is clear. It's same with the Jesus story.

Jesus was born by a woman and had a father. Now he started telling people in Israel that he's God and that no one can go thru the gay her except thru him.

If it happens today, WILL U BELIEVE IT

Wen I happened in Israel 2000 years ago, DID THE ISRAELITES IT? - THE ANSWER IS NO.

Humans dont believe trash.

Those who KNEW him believed it to the point of being happily willing to die for it, which is why it is stronger than ever 2000 years later.

sonmvayina:


Jesus was written into existence by the Romans..the Jews don't have the idea of God mating with human, the Messiah is a normal man that God will aniont just like Solomon, David, Samuel, Cyrus...etc. those are Messiah in the Jewish belief. Not half man half God.....

The real Messiah is coming once.....there was no second coming arrangements....
God never said to worship the Messiah when he comes, but that he will bring peace and end all wars, that has not happened so it is safe to say, he has not come...


You have been worshipping an idol, educate yourself.....please

Amazing how a non-lunatic believes this. So all the martyrs, all the archeological evidence, all the miracles and all the people delivered down the centuries, they were all written into existence? What's wrong with you?!

CriticMaestro:

Fine, why don't u help him out, mention one billionaire u know that made his wealth through hardwork

How about Saraki, the guy in the senate

9tailskid:



I guess i should thank you for this but i don't know why. I'll keep it in mind.

Folks can be funny.
Did u have to quote the whole long epistle?

mvem:
... I hv read and watched a lot of documentaries on history/nat geo and online too....Jesus was not the first or last that claim messiahship and performed miracles...all around the middle east that time, they were many....u can reaearch and look it up online...but his hv made many historians curious because of the way it spread and became so popular....

Christ Himself said TIME would prove who is the true Messiah because all others would fade away.

sonmvayina:


The promised Messiah is NOT coming to die...he is coming to rule and end all wars and oppression and bring peace...the old testament said God was responsible for both good and evil, so who dah Fvcck is the son of a pros.titure( Jesus) saving you from?

That's carnal man's shallow misunderstanding.
What I don't understand about people like u is that u refuse to acknowledge that TIME has proved Christ was/Is exactly who he said he is. Where is the Messiah Jews have been waiting for? Christ's words are still with us after thousands of years and doing wonders, JUST AS HE SAID THEY WOULD!!!

Brains and beauty and good demeanor.
RIP.

ODVanguard:


How is it misleading? Because Osun with a lesser population consistently outperformed your Anambra and Imo states? You igbos and your bad-belle and hypocrisy diseases. Smh.

Oyo is misleading.
People from Osun are called OSU for a reason.

yoged:
Your brain bro

My brain is already fried. How about beans??

Misleading statistic.
Here are population of the states:

Kano State9,383,6822
Lagos State9,013,5343
Kaduna State6,066,5624
Katsina State5,792,5785
Oyo State5,591,5896
Rivers State5,185,4007
Bauchi State4,676,4658
Jigawa State4,348,6499
Benue State4,219,24410
Anambra State4,182,03211
Borno State4,151,19312
Delta State4,098,39113
Niger State3,950,24914
Imo State3,934,89915
Akwa Ibom State3,920,20816
Ogun State3,728,09817Sokoto State3,696,99918Ondo State3,441,02419Osun State3,423,53520Kogi State3,278,48721Zamfara State3,259,84622Enugu State3,257,29823Kebbi State3,238,62824Edo State3,218,33225Plateau State3,178,71226Adamawa State3,168,10127Cross River State2,888,96628Abia State2,833,99929Ekiti State2,384,21230Kwara State2,371,08931Gombe State2,353,87932Yobe State2,321,59133Taraba State2,300,73634Ebonyi State2,173,50135Nasarawa State1,863,27536Bayelsa State1,703,358–Federal Capital Territory1,405,201

9tailskid:


I'm not taking heart. I'm making my way up regardless.

Yeah, they weren't. I'll be seeing you soon on the other side.

Morning sha.

That's the spirit.

But also bear this in mind:

Ten Millionires Who Committed Suicide

by Julian Crowley

We live in a society filled with dreams and aspirations of wealth, a society that likes to believe that money will bring with it happiness and success. 
The following men were all successful businessmen who committed suicide.
The millions in their bank accounts did nothing to ease their suffering…

10. Jonathan Wraith

Thirty-five-year-old Jonathan Wraith — a young British millionaire by virtue of selling his and his father’s portable cabin business for £30 million ($46 million) — was by all accounts a happy and well-adjusted young man. However, in 2009 he picked up his shotgun and shot himself, leaving no suicide note. No clear reason could be found for Wraith’s action, but there has been some speculation that he was extremely worried about his father David’s recent stroke. It seems that this may have proven too much for the young man to take.

9. Eli M. Black

Eli M. Black, whose death was immortalized on screen in the Coen Brothers comedy The Hudsucker Proxy, was a Jewish-American businessman and millionaire controller of the United Brands Company. An astute and forward thinking capitalist, Black’s career included stints with Lehman Brothers and then the American Seal-Kap Company, which he renamed AMK. The early ’70s saw AMK merge with United Fruit Company. With that, Black’s fate was sealed. His downfall was rooted in the discovery of his $2.5 million bribe offered to the President of Honduras, to reduce export taxes on bananas. Taking matters into his own hands before the scandal broke, Black climbed the 44 floors of his office building and leapt out onto crowded Park Avenue to the horror of onlookers below.

8. Huibert Boumeester

At 49, father-of-two Huibert Boumeester took his own life after becoming seriously depressed in the fallout of the £50 billion ($77 billion) takeover of ABN Amro by the Royal Bank of Scotland. The Dutch millionaire banker’s body was discovered in a woodland area several miles away from his home in London. A suicide note to his wife Frederique that was found on his body read that he could not “go on.” The coroner confirmed that Mr. Boumeester had ended his life while depressed, explaining: “He drove to a very isolated location in woodland, sat down and used the shotgun to end his own life.”

7. Christopher Foster

In August 2008, Christopher Foster, a 50-year-old British businessman, murdered his wife and daughter before burning down his house and killing himself. The businessman shot his wife Jillian and daughter Kirstie, prior to succumbing to smoke inhalation. Foster, wealthy by virtue of his company’s work creating oil rig insulation technology, was nevertheless beset by financial concerns. Despite being a millionaire residing in a five-bedroom country mansion, he was living beyond his means, with debts of £4 million ($6.2 million). It seems that, tragically, these financial worries may well have pushed him over the edge.

6. John Lawrenson

John Lawrenson was a successful businessman who lived in a £1.2 million ($1.8 million) mansion (the Old Rectory, above). He was healthy and seemingly happy, and had earned the right to enjoy the profits from a lucrative life in the publishing world. This all would have been fine, except for one thing: his beloved wife Caroline was dying of cancer. The devoted couple, married for 47 years, poisoned themselves with a substance bought via mail order from Mexico. A suicide note found near their bodies confirms the truth: Mr. Lawrenson could not bear the thought of living alone and decided to take the matter into his own hands.

5. Wayne Pai

Wayne Pai was a successful Taiwanese businessman, and founder and chairman of the securities broker the Polaris Group. In the wake of rumors of insider trading, the nevertheless well respected Pai was found dead in July 2008. His wife and members of Polaris’ staff flew to the outlying island of Penghu to assist police with their inquiries. Pai’s suicide came at a time when allegations were being made that a former president of National Chiao Tung University had been receiving regular payments from Polaris. Pai’s body was found floating in waters surrounding the outlying island.

4. Paul Castle

Paul Castle — a self-styled businessman and property tycoon who had met the Queen of England and played polo with Prince Charles — killed himself in 2010. The 54-year-old threw himself in front of a London Underground train, leaving no chance of survival. The businessman, described as a “workaholic,” had seen several property deals go awry over the last year of his life and had also lost capital in a gas and oil surveying company. Castle, who suffered from chronic heart problems and tumors, had been married three times and was due to be wedded for a fourth time, to his girlfriend Natalie Theo.

3. Peter Smedley

Peter Smedley was an enormously successful millionaire hotelier and businessman with a tinned food empire that provided him with a sizable income. He and his wife Christine — who had been married for 33 years — enjoyed a luxurious lifestyle befitting of their riches. However, Mr. Smedley was also an extremely ill man, suffering from motor neurone disease. He ended his life by his own volition, at an assisted dying organization, the Dignitas clinic, in Switzerland. In a further twist to the story, Mr. Smedley’s death was filmed by the BBC, with segments televised as part of documentary about assisted suicides.

2. Howard Worthington

In an alarming case of destructive emotion, self-proclaimed “lord of the manor” millionaire Howard Worthington shot himself with one of his prized shotguns just moments after shooting his lover Julie Rees. The 52-year-old English former businessman, who made his fortune in the steel industry, had been ordered to stay away from his £1.3 million ($2 million) country home after threatening her with a gun a few weeks prior. While Rees recovered, Worthington did not. Verdict: suicide.

1. ReiJane Huai

Long Island resident and computer software high flyer ReiJane Huai killed himself with a single shot in September 2011. The former president and CEO of FalconStor, a data storage company, had resigned suddenly in 2010 following a lawsuit filed against him. The millionaire committed suicide on the front lawn of the $2.5 million home he shared with his wife, ShuWen. The Taiwanese-born Huai — who had traveled to the USA to study in 1984 — had several adult children living in the US and was described as a “visionary and leader” by a FalconStor spokesman

BONUS:

German tycoon Adolf Merckle commits suicide

Merckle, who was the world’s 94th-richest person in 2008 according to Forbes magazine, spent his life building a business conglomerate with about 100,000 employees.

The empire was poised to come crashing down after his family made wrong-way bets on skyrocketing Volkswagen shares.

The family has been under pressure to sell some assets or seek bridging loans and has been in talks with banks for weeks.

“The desperate situation of his companies caused by the financial crisis, the uncertainties of the last few weeks and his powerlessness to act, have broken the passionate family entrepreneur and he took his own life,” a family statement said.

The 74-year-old industrialist died when a train struck him late on Monday, said prosecutors in the southern German town of Ulm, near Merckle’s home.
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Luxury is an addictive drug

The frugal blogger Mr. Money Mustache tells us that luxury is weakness. Luxury is an addictive drug. Until we understand this, it has the power to ruin our lives.

I remember driving my brand new luxury sports car and noticing that my identity was becoming tied up with the car. I realized that this super-expensive car would wear out and then I would need to buy another one. To keep my identity, I would need to keep generating a lot of money. It was like having a drug habit. The car didn't make me feel that good, but the idea of not having the car felt lame. So I realized that I would need to keep having that fix to feel normal.

This process of getting the drug to get back to normal is a common experience for drug addicts. Also, tolerance to the drug increases with abuse over time. An amount of the drug that was once satisfying starts to not have the desired effect. We find that we need more and more of the substance or experience to get back to normal.

The problem is that, as the U2 lyric goes, "You can never get enough of what you don't really need." Once you have the Porsche Cayenne Turbo, you start wishing for a Bentley Bentayga. The more luxury you have, the more luxury you need, but luxury never really satisfies the itch that it promises to scratch.

Luxury makes us feel successful, that we are winning at the game of life, that we are not only surviving, but thriving. Like an opioid in our brains, luxury locks into our survival receptors. The irony is that purchasing luxury, and being dependent on it for our sense of self and wellbeing, leads to us depleting the very resources that we actually need for survival.

It turns out that having the discipline to live frugally, to invest rather than spend, to mend and make do, and to be able to live for longer and longer periods of time without having to work, are true measures of wealth. Deeply enjoying whatever it is you're experiencing right now is the ultimate wealth.

The people who are on the nine-to-five treadmill, working to pay for luxury cars to drive for two hours per day to and from work, are really on a luxury treadmill. These people are addicted to luxury.
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Being wealthy is a full-time job

There's a foolish impression that once you have a lot of money, you can kick back and relax. To some degree this is true. You can have more choice, and you can buffer situations in your life to some degree. However, once you have assets you have to manage them, protect them, and maintain them. You need to worry about being sued, so you need insurance. You need to hire people to do stuff for you, and you need to manage them. Delegation is really hard.

If you're not careful, you will make your life more complex, with more things, and more activities. Perhaps you will use spending money and buying things as a cheap way of avoiding self-awareness. Perhaps you will become obsessed with hoarding your money and maximizing its growth.

Some people become very suspicious of other people, not trusting that they really have friends, thinking that others are trying to get at their wealth. Even with the best intentions, others will seek funding and support from you. They want you to invest in their businesses and projects. They want to borrow money. All of this is a massive strain on your ability to be aware of your boundaries, and avoid being co-dependent or enabling.

It's really challenging being wealthy. Approach with caution.
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Follow the path of least resustance

I remember spending all day sitting next to one of the founders of the company. He was a grey-haired, old-timer of Sun Microsystems, yet a trail-blazer in the new realm of synthesizing computer logic in chips. He was the VP of Engineering at this little start-up. He’s now a mega-millionaire, perhaps even a billionaire.

We worked effortlessly, seemingly endlessly, late into the night. I showed him test-cases that my random 3D triangle generator had produced, which broke his graphics engine, making it behave differently from our model. He fixed the bugs, while I watched him code. I learned so much from him about being a principled engineer, about how to create quality code. I was so excited about what we were doing that I couldn’t stop working.

I won’t go into the details here, but I continued to follow this flow of excitement and enthusiasm, and it led me to becoming an employee of that start-up, making a ton of money, and gaining masses of experience.

I didn’t apply this principle in all areas of my life back then, so I only experienced the benefits of it in a small domain: my career. Later on, I also become fearful of losing what I had, and started to make choices that were not in alignment with the path of least resistance. These choices led to much less beneficial outcomes.

I have been learning more each day how to notice when I am experiencing resistance, where the path of least resistance is, and then flowing with that. I am learning to keep on pivoting, no matter how much success I have achieved, into the next path of least resistance.

Some people say, “follow your bliss.” I always found this statement irritating. A statement that resonates much more strongly for me is, “trust your good feelings.” Trust your excitement, your enthusiasm, your happiness, your playfulness, and your curiosity. All of these feelings are associated with flow, with the flow of your energy. When you engage with them, everything in your life will flow more easily.

When you perseverate on the thoughts that lead to unpleasant feelings, and you take actions in an attempt to stop those unpleasant feelings, it generally leads to less adaptive outcomes. Unpleasant feelings include fear, anger, loneliness, and jealousy. Bring yourself back to asking “what would I like?” and then notice where your pleasant, flowing feelings lead you. Trust those feelings.
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Apple CEO Tim Cook: 'Don't work for money ... you will never be happy'

Apple CEO Tim Cook has some advice for college students obsessed only with pursuing a career for the paycheck: Think different.

"My advice to all of you is, don't work for money — it will wear out fast, or you'll never make enough and you will never be happy, one or the other," Cook says.

"You have to find the intersection of doing something you're passionate about and at the same time something that is in the service of other people," he says.

"I would argue that, if you don't find that intersection, you're not going to be very happy in life."

Thank God 4 her life

Good write-up.
NAIRALAND IS ADDICTIVE!!!!

Olalekank:

I shame for nairaland. Where they are meant to correct, they won't correct. When someone drops fact, they would start correcting the grammar.

Yes, he's correct, 90% of startup fails "especially for those that think they know everything".
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/neilpatel/2015/01/16/90-of-startups-will-fail-heres-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-10/amp/

Good info u got there. Wehdon.
But...

Conventional Wisdom Says 90% of Startups Fail. Data Says Otherwise.

I recently found myself carelessly repeating a statistic that I’d heard dozens of times in private conversations and on public stages: “Nine out of 10 startups fail.” The problem? It’s not true. Cambridge Associates, a global investment firm based in Boston, tracked the performance of venture investments in 27,259 startups between 1990 and 2010. Its research reveals that the real percentage of venture-backed startups that fail—as defined by companies that provide a 1X return or less to investors—has not risen above 60% since 2001. Even amid the dotcom bust of 2000, the failure rate topped out at 79%.

Wehdon pastor