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ekensi01:
waything concern me.

Consign not concern - NL way

MayorofLagos:
Nigerian government sent congratulatory message to a Chief of Police in NY (or NJ, I cant recall). A lady also of Nigerian background but American citizen. Her responsibility and patriotism is American, not Nigerian. She received it well and even made it public with pride.

Go and read the story of Dehinde Fernandez, he is passed now. A man that served as diplomat and official for different foreign governments but yet proud of his roots.


So whats the big deal of Onwura being a member of British Parliament? She doesnt need to diss congratulatory message from Nigeria. She is a leader of society and leaders are calculating and tactful in diplomatic relations, not arrogant and dissmisive. C'mon!

She said the simple truth. But as a 9ja u r so used to lies and corruption. Don't call her 9ja, that's wrong. Say she is of 9ja heritage

Caseless:
Even obama did not deny kenya.
Who's that fool?

Nobody ever called Obama a Kenyan

How come you never hear "marine spirit", "queen of the caost" and such here in U.S.
In Nigeria that's the only thing I hear about, Marine spirit, ogbanje, queen of the coast (it is never queen of the cave or anything else), yet the country is a total mess and mentally backwards. Do you think maybe it is time we try some other way of blaming and solving our problems. Obviously these beliefs are not doing us any good.

Any rich person with "money" as part of his name and it's not totally clear where that money is from, there is something unwholesome behind that money - mark my word.

Alanzazani:
Not all Ibos are want to be in this biafra. They spit so much bile and hate. We with dissenting views will be killed by ipobians. If you watched the argument on silverbed tv today between the ohaneze youth sec gen and one ipob lawyer, the ohaneze guy said our minds. We want restructuring like all other disgruntled Nigerians and not secession. The ipob lawyer cum member started throwing tantrums and was abusive. Let a referadum hold we would know whether all Ibos are ipobs. Other Nigerians should stop classifying all Ibos as ipobs. There are reasonable hardworking ibo intellectuals, who are analytic and objective. They weigh and analyse issues at hand and not jump on the bandwagon and become opinionated after drinking some bottles of hero beer

It is fools who never lived through the pogroms and the biafran war that are making all these secession noises. Even Ojukwu himself said the biafra project should be permanently dropped otherwise it would mean we learnt nothing from that war - his words not mine.

I think culture has a lot to do with it. What works in some countries/areas will not work in others.

Krystaal:
OP Na only God know the kin girls wey you don meet to compose this kind list...
1.Big Dick
2. Money, lots of it
3. Swag
4. Height, tall guys of course
5. Beards
6. And a good body...
Which one be scar, sweat and big butt??

Op did not compose the list.
It's from a magazine called "Tu.sh". Do u guys ever actually read?!!

mgbadike81:
Nigeria is a member of the organization for Islamic countries as well as the Saudi led Sunni Muslims military coalition entered by the bihari led government, yet ohanaeze ndi oshi na ama can't voice their opposition to such memberships, all of them combined together can't pull the crowd,respect and social obedience that Nnamdi Kanu pulls, as far as we the voting masses are concerned, all these politicians are only interested in their selves, have no conscience and are sell outs.since we have been voting for them, their bank accounts have been growing while we the voters have been getting worse off,We're not voting come November 18 and they won't force us out of our homes to come and vote. let them rig themselves out, fight and kill themselves and finally go to the tribunals to expose themselves.we're done with Nigerian politicians and their tricks. the only time they know about our existence is during elections, on November 18,we would deny them on the election day.

It is fools who never lived through the pogroms and the biafran war that are making all this noise. Even Ojukwu himself said the biafra project should be permanently dropped otherwise it would mean we learnt nothing from that war - his words not mine.

leoweblinkblog:
Tired of this evans this and that

Sure you are. So why did you click on it? Na by force? HYPOCRITE!

toygod2:
For the first time i ll be tired of EVANS related news.
If you are tired too click Like & if you still enjoy it click Share

So why did you click on it? Na by force? HYPOCRITE!

Seun:
Thanks. We are great because our members are great!


I am timeless and I created the universe. Now everyone who reads this thread can truthfully claim to have encountered an entity who told them he was timeless and he created the universe. Are you impressed? A multitude of unreliable testimonies do not add up to truth.


I can explain those. They are ordinary events that are believed to be supernatural due to a poor understanding of how things actually work.


Human imagination, when freed from the shackles of reality, can explain absolutely anything, but such explanations are likely to be wrong.


How do you determine that an entity you're in contact with is (1) not a product of your imagination, and (2) is a supernatural entity? Can you give me your best example of a person who "made contact with a supernatural entity" so we can investigate the truth of it right here?


I fail to see the connection between dark matter and the 'spiritual world,. If you can prove this connection, you'll surely win a Nobel prize!

Once again thank you so much for your always very intelligent, well-thought-out response. It becomes obvious why you were able to found a great forum like Nairaland and able to sustain it.

Unfortunately my response has to be brief due to time constraints. I'll also cut and pastey earlier answers to save time.

Now, remember I acknowleged how intelligent u r. That right there is the problem. Atheists are usually highly intelligent people and because of that they rely too much on logic and science. The big blind spot they have is their failure to see that the human condition and much of the universe cannot be explained by science and logic. Prophecies, intuition, miracles, warning dreams, dark matter, etc. Infact scientists admit they don't have even the slightest idea what 96% of the physical universe is made of. They call it dark matter/energy. So they only can somewhat study 4% and that's what you hang your entire belief system about the universe on! Point is, u have to be outside this our system, this our "universe", to understand it, to get the full picture - it is called supetnatural.

As for what u wrote, if you claim u created the universe, and there are all sorts of supernatural things that back up that claim and many people over thousands of years testify to encounters with you, I'd be more inclined to believe you than someone who says maybe a big bang happened from nothing.

Here are some cut and paste from my earlier answers:

Sorry, I'd do that next time. No time.

Once gain thanks for taking the time. I can only imagine how much you have to read and deal with. Thanks for everything.

Lalasticlala, saun, mynd44, who else, move this to front page so other people have their say. Maybe we'll all learn something

DeepEyes:
I think you missed my point. The history of the Jews, their prophesies, their customs, their deity and their events may be very real. It does not mean their stories are accurate or even real. Was the world actually created in seven days? Even if it was, who was so privileged to be endowed with this IMPOSSIBLE knowledge of the creation process? Holy Spirit? Okay so who did holy Spirit confide in to write it for posterity? Methuselah's cousin, or Noah, or No-Author? See where I'm going with this...at some point u have to admit the fictional elements in there otherwise it becomes ridiculous. Where is the Garden of Eden? In heaven or on Earth? Don't answer, its on Earth. Since there are bouncer angels at the gates of Eden to prevent humans (Genesis 3:24) from sneaking back into the Garden to eat forbidden stuff. Lol. These are obviously old legends passed down from generation to generation, and then finally scripted as fact by one ignorant generation.

The fictional elements in the Bible is what questions it's absolute authenticity. This has been my point since the first post- the Hebrew Bible as a whole is a terrible alibi riddled with contradictions, embellishments, drama and farce. It looks more like propadanda than actual history. Hey let's tell stories of 9/11, but let's say those airplanes were.....Dragons sent by our God to flame down those American infidels who were busy fornicating in the twin towers instead of worshipping almighty God. Did God actually have anything to do with that incident? No! See what I mean? So the 9/11 may be real, but their anecdote is contrived.

However, to digress a bit, I must tell u that there's an inexplicable bliss that comes with knowing God- like a child Who finally knows who his father is. I do not know if this is a subconscious process from the preconceived conviction that one is doing the right thing, which, scientifically speaking, can give u a sense of bliss, but I must admit that this seemingly ignorant bliss feels a lot better than the turmoils of a never-ending quest for knowledge. And I can assure u that more people would believe in God if the Hebrews hadnt so ruined his integrity with their obviously propagandistic literature- Bible/Quoran. Really ruined the idea of God for intellectuals​. God always instructed them to do idiotic, thoughtless, inhumane, evil things...just like he instructed them to blow up the twin towers. Do you now see where the problem is?? Maybe stop referencing the Bible and just start talking to the Supreme being from within you. Seriously.

Wao, what a write-up! You have been one of the best on the thread, always seeing both sides.

For starters I never said minutiae of the bible are all acurate. They don't have to be to answer the questions posed on this thread.

I will now cut and paste answers I gave elsewhere. (Ok, I'm lazy. I admit it )

See, the thing is that you admit you don't know. Which is understandable because you are very limited - you even have no way of knowing if anything exists outside yourself.
Someone else emphatically say they know without a doubt based on things beyond your limited understanding. Then they support their claim with things beyond your limited purview: prophesies, miracles, prayers answered, lives dramatically transformed, etc.
See, what you should say is that you don't know and stop there. Don't say nobody else knows. You are way too limited to say that.

Here is another:

For example, if it is prophesied for thousands of years that a special person was coming and that person comes and tells you he is the one and that his words would be around for thousands of years, and he is actually proved right. I would be inclined to believe him more than someone who tells me he doesn't know but that maybe there was a big bang.

Zandha:
Are you saying ALL religions are true?

Obviously not. Your religion of Zandha for example, based on nothing, would not be true. Which is why it would likely quickly fizzle. But most enduring religions have some authentic supernatural basis. For example, if it is prophesied for thousands of years that a special person was coming and that person comes and tells you he is the one and that his words would be around for thousands of years, and he is actually proved right. I would be inclined to believe him more than someone who tells me he doesn't know but that maybe there was a big bang.

TLuzzie:
These are scientific, philosophical and metaphysical questions, NOT questions for atheists. These are questions for humanity's [color=darkgreen]Intelligentsia[/color], most of which we have NO definitive ANSWERS to YET. Even YOU asking them DON'T have the answers! If anyone claims he does, oh well, let him show us his answers with convincing EVIDENCE and PROOFS. We've had enough bullsh!t already, though. So I've got a truckload of invectives - never mind, they're just variations of the word, 'moron_' - to hit any bullsh!ter with, who comes to insult our intelligence any further with some ridiculous claptrap. SO, WHO HAS THE ANSWERS AND KNOWS MORE THAN EVERY MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENTSIA COMBINED? I'm waiting for him/her to show up.

Just to reiterate, atheism is simply (weakly and implicitly) the lack of belief in the existence of deities, owing to lack of evidence or (strongly and explicitly) the belief that deities do not exist! So, why are you directing your question at atheists? It's not OUR problem. It's a problem for humanity's intellectuals. Savvy?!

And in conclusion, I want you to have this in mind:

The First Cause is not automatically equal to A conscious, perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity OUTSIDE SPACE AND TIME (the oxymoron: how can you be outside space and time and also be omnipresent at the same time? Incoherent bullsh!t. Transcendence and immanence are somewhat mutually exclusive).

The First Cause [color=darkblue]is simply equal to[/color] THE FIRST CAUSE!!! Which can be ANYTHING. What is it? I don't know, and neither do you.

Thanks for this exquisite write-up.
See, the thing is that you admit you don't know. Which is understandable because you are very limited - you even have no way of knowing if anything exists outside yourself.
Someone else emphatically say they know without a doubt based on things beyond your limited understanding. Then they support their claim with things beyond your limited purview: prophesies, miracles, prayers answered, lives dramatically transformed, etc.
See, what you should say is that you don't know and stop there. Don't say nobody else knows. You are way too limited to say that.

Zandha:
You shouldn't have attacked him in that manner. Some people reek of ridiculous level of ignorance, illogic, and irrationalism that indulging them would be problematic and a waste of time. You wouldn't even know where to start. It can be nauseating and irritating too, hence the reason one may choose to ignore. It has nothing to do with arrogance or being a "pathetic little person". Capiche? Get with the program!!!

Mr. logical and rational, point out 3 statements
of mine that reek of "ridiculous level of ignorance, illogic, and irrationalism." Why not make your own points if u have any. Otherwise leave the thread. Read other threads. It is not by force.

Zandha:
What?! How would you know whether it will fall apart or not? And what do you mean by "fall apart" anyways? So since Islam hasn't fallen apart, it MUST be true therefore being the only way to God? How can Islam and Christianity be simultaneously true? Has Mormonism fallen apart? Does that make it true as well? Hinduism has existed for millenia and yet still stands to this day - so, is it also true? Since you could never know before hand whether my claim would fall apart or not, why wouldn't you believe in it just like you believe other extraordinary nonsense without evidence? How do you determine which of these [color=darkgreen]CONFLICTING[/color] claims to divine revelation is true? And what kind of ridiculous "logic" are you invoking to make the claim that the ones that eventually fall apart are ipso facto false? Does Christianity become FALSE if it falls apart in the coming century? Do you have no basic understanding that ideas survive based on a set of circumstances independent of their truth content?

Now let's be honest with ourselves. You honestly think that my Yoruba history and our God, Olodumare is made up? Descendants of Oduduwa are still around today and places mentioned in the Yoruba history books still exist. Talk about Ile-ife. The opele still exists. Ifa still exists. We still have the Odu's. And we believe in an eternal supreme being. Voila! My Yoruba religion MUST be true! I hope that's enough to show you how ridiculous that argument sounds.

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Mind you, I don't entertain ridiculous questions like "How do I know that the sun doesn't revolve around the earth" in this day and age.

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If you use exactly similar logic as invoked in the quoted post in your next reply, I won't be indulging you any further, 'cause I can't stomach such for long.

Thanks for your response once again.
Here are my words again:

"Unless there is something behind your claim, sooner or later it would fall apart."

No religion you mentioned was simply made up to prove a point including Yoruba gods. They all
had something behind them and in many cases they had real demonic powers behind them.

Look, once a again there is a spiritual world that your theories don't even attempt to acknowledge or explain. Religion acknowleges them and in many cases explains them.

Tearless:
So, if I claimed to have personally encountered the creator of the universe, and that he claims to be Zandha by name and passed messages to me to convey to the rest of humanity, ranging from how he created the world, the moral codes he expects us to live by, how he should be worshipped, to our purpose on earth, would you believe me? Would you accept my revelation as true? Would you accept MY personal experience as the answer to YOUR existence? If you won't believe me, then why should you believe Moses, Muhammed and the rest? If you would demand evidence from me, then why didn't you demand evidence for the extraordinary claims of those guys you listed?

And if you're going to accept every claim to divine revelation as legitimate, then [color=darkgreen]how do you determine which one of them is true, since they're inconsistent and contradictory, and can't all be right[/color]?

I may believe you, but it doesn't matter because it won't last. Unless there is something behind your claim, sooner or later it would fall apart. People have claimed and writen all sorts of things throughout history. Christ himself said the test was that his movement would last, unlike other "messiahs" springing up at the time

Look, can we just be honest with ourselves for just one minute. You honestly think the history of the Jews and God is made up? Even other decendants of Abraham are still there today and see Ishmael as their father, and they are at constant conflict as fortold in the bible. Places mentioned in the bible are still there today. The dead sea scrolls are there. At a point you have to admit that something is likely mostly true otherwise how r u sure the sun is not revolving around the earth.
All three major religions believe in an eternal supreme being, what do you mean which I'd brlieve.

DeepEyes:
I wouldn't argue that these people didn't have divine encounters, however, where is the EVIDENCE that any of these people ever really EXISTED? The Bible/Quoran came from a group of extremely religious people.....they weren't incapable of intelligent fiction just like any modern group trying to spread propaganda. Mormons, Buddhists, etc. See how moslems go around trying to coerce everyone into their ways? That's how desperate these people were to convince everyone that their deity is the SUPREME deity. So I'm not saying​ the "God" of the Bible is fake, just that these stories might simply be INTELLIGENT FICTION to support propaganda that he is SUPREME. Herbalist also speak to powerful deities don't they? What if herbalist became obsessed (as the Arabs are) and began crafting sweet fiction to promote their own deity? Lol. Think about this. Places that have been discovered through archeology don't actually confirm the Bible stories. If you wrote fiction right now you could include real places and events to further accentuate the authenticity of ur fiction. This is what I mean by INTELLIGENT FICTION. Show me evidence that these stories are real.

So my submission stands: Maybe the actual SUPREME being has never even revealed it/himself to anyone, and never will.

Can we be honest with our selves for just one minute. You honestly think the history of the Jews is made up? Even other decendants of Abraham are still there today and see Ishmael as their father, and they are at constant conflict as fortold in the bible. Places mentioned in the bible are still there today. The dead sea scrolls are there. At a point you have to admit that something is likely mostly true otherwise how r u sure the sun is not revolving around the earth.

donttouch:
Was watching it live yesterday. They said it was a 'workplace violence'.


How is life over there in Nyc?

Beautiful, my brother, I can't lie. The weather is perfect, everything going well FOR ME. See, some 9ja's who live in the same nyc may be so unhappy to the point of being suicidal, like this doctor. But at least here the basics are covered, and u have a society that actually works, unlike our beloved 9ja.

jonbellion:
It's best to admit not knowing atimes
There are still a lot of things we don't know

What do you think of Seun's answer above?

Richirich713:
In a nutshell the atheistic picture of universe can be seen the below:

What do you think of Seun's answer above?

adepeter26:
1). Personally, I don't know. Before that, it's some religion by the way that passively claim something came from nothing.

2). Atheism has never made such claim. And BTW as well, science is not the only thing atheism depend on but they agree for now that only science has a good and logical explanation for the events happening around us.

3). I believe evolution is there to answer this question. I myself really don't know much about this evolution stuff cos I can never know everything and don't even want to know everything.



In summary, we don't know. But because we don't know doesn't mean religion should shove the concept of GOD OF THE GAPS down our throat.
We don't know doesn't stop us from asking you that know important logical and critical questions.

If you know, can you please tell us the answers to the question

What do you think of Seun's answer above?

hopefulLandlord:
can you mention such atheists that straight up claim to KNOW for sure that there's no greater being?

such an atheist would most likely make that claim due to lack of evidence for such a being outside some gaps in our knowledge so far

as for your "agnostic" part, Theism/atheism speaks to what you *believe*. Gnosticism/agnosticism speaks to what you *know*. One can claim to be a gnostic theist (very common), an agnostic theist (far less common but not unusual), an agnostic atheist (virtually all atheists are this), or a gnostic atheist (these are incredibly rare, and will usually clarify their position by stating that they only take this position regards to specific god claims, as Matt Dillahunty does). Richard Dawkins, easily the most famous atheist advocate, calls himself an agnostic atheist, because he does not believe, but he does not claim to know for certain.

I myself claim to be mostly an agnostic atheist. To the specific claim of the Abrahamic god, I will go so far as to claim gnostic atheism - not because of any special knowledge on my part, but simply because I have yet to hear a description of this deity that passes so much as basic logical coherence. There may yet be a god - but if we do discover one someday, it most likely won't be the one the bible/Koran/Torah/Mormon etc talks about.

What do you think of Seun's answer above?

DeepEyes:
Oh sorry but I doubt ud get any proper response since atheist, just like theists, hate when their beliefs are questioned beyond their mental capacity. Ironic isn't it? They're​ guilty of the exact thing they condemn all believers for- blind belief! Lol. They are very logical until they have to get illogical to support their logic. Lemme explain: standard science law of causes and affects is suddenly benched to argue that there was once a "Random" big bang out of "nowhere" that started time, space and evolution. See what I mean? Lol

To answer ur question tho, the subject of God is complexity, as only religion posits any kind of practical explanation. But we know, from history, that religions can't be trusted due to their mostly contrived ideologies. This "made up" nature of religion is what disqualifies it and it's claims, atleast for an intellectual mind. Science on the other hand tries to be as investigative as possible, until they have no more leads and resort to stalemate hypothesis disguised as theories. This is where science fails too. So both the theist and atheist end up in the same boat of knowledgeable ignorance. Wouldn't it suffice to just admit that we don't know, rather than feigning one knowledge or the other?

There's obviously an origin/source/creator but its probably not that "God" depicted by religion as an attention-seeking insecure being.

What do you think of Seun's answer above

ThePrinceOfLuzz:
Since you claim to KNOW, what's the EVIDENCE for all of this?

I don't claim to know at all. But there are people who say they emphatically know due to supernatural encounters. Remember "God" as presented by religion came about through direct experiences. It was not theoretical or made-up. I mean Moses, Muhammad, Paul had direct experiences of the Supreme Being and they tried to convey him and his message as he presented himself to them. I'd tend to believe them more than someone who says he doesn't know but that maybe a big bang happened from nothing.

Seun:
Most scientists believe that the big bang was the beginning of time. If so, then there was never a time when nothing existed. If so, the question of what happened before the big bang is a nonsense quesion, like asking for the square root of -1, or the letter that comes before A.


This is called abiogenesis. Scientists have been able to demonstrate that many of the complex chemicals that make up living things can arise spontaneously in the kind of environment that existed around the time that life started. But they don't know exactly how the first living thing came to be. It must have been an extremely rare and unlikely event, but it only had to happen once during a period of billions of years. People are rarely struck by lightning, but you wouldn't be surprised to learn that one person out of 1.2 billion Africans was struck by lightning once.


There was never a change from animals to man, because we are animals. We are apes. We are hairless, like elephants and hippos. We are highly intelligent, like killer whales and dolphins. We utterly dominate the other animals because our ancestors found themselves in a unique environment where those who possessed bigger brains were more likely to reproduce than those who were stronger and faster, but dumber.

BTW, I don't think killer whales will ever start writing books or wearing clothes even in a trillion years.

TLuzzie:
These are scientific, philosophical and metaphysical questions, NOT questions for atheists. These are questions for humanity's [color=darkgreen]Intelligentsia[/color], most of which we have NO definitive ANSWERS to YET. Even YOU asking them DON'T have the answers! If anyone claims he does, oh well, let him show us his answers with convincing EVIDENCE and PROOFS. We've had enough bullsh!t already, though. So I've got a truckload of invectives - never mind, they're just variations of the word, 'moron_' - to hit any bullsh!ter with, who comes to insult our intelligence any further with some ridiculous claptrap. SO, WHO HAS THE ANSWERS AND KNOWS MORE THAN EVERY MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENTSIA COMBINED? I'm waiting for him/her to show up.

Just to reiterate, atheism is simply (weakly and implicitly) the lack of belief in the existence of deities, owing to lack of evidence or (strongly and explicitly) the belief that deities do not exist! So, why are you directing your question at atheists? It's not OUR problem. It's a problem for humanity's intellectuals. Savvy?!

And in conclusion, I want you to have this in mind:

The First Cause is not automatically equal to A conscious, perfect, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent deity OUTSIDE SPACE AND TIME (the oxymoron: how can you be outside space and time and also be omnipresent at the same time? Incoherent bullsh!t. Transcendence and immanence are somewhat mutually exclusive).

The First Cause [color=darkblue]is simply equal to[/color] THE FIRST CAUSE!!! Which can be ANYTHING. What is it? I don't know, and neither do you.

Let me first thank you for your smart answer.
The problem is that sincere religion did not come from imagination or nothing. It came from direct experience of sometjing/someone supernatural.
Someone put the Koran on mohamed's lips, a total illiterate. St Paul was bent on stamping out Christianity until he encountered someone and became Christianity's biggest proponent, etc.

You admit you don't know. But there are people who emphatically and declaratively say they KNOW without a doubt because of supernatural encounters they had. You don't claim any encounters yourself.
Your only defence is that they are all lying. The coming if Christ was foretold by various people thousands of years before. And when he came he said it was him they were talking about and that his words would be repeated for thousands of years. Here we r thousands of years later still repeating his words. How does your theory explain all that?

Seun:
Most scientists believe that the big bang was the beginning of time. If so, then there was never a time when nothing existed. If so, the question of what happened before the big bang is a nonsense quesion, like asking for the square root of -1, or the letter that comes before A.


This is called abiogenesis. Scientists have been able to demonstrate that many of the complex chemicals that make up living things can arise spontaneously in the kind of environment that existed around the time that life started. But they don't know exactly how the first living thing came to be. It must have been an extremely rare and unlikely event, but it only had to happen once during a period of billions of years. People are rarely struck by lightning, but you wouldn't be surprised to learn that one person out of 1.2 billion Africans was struck by lightning once.


There was never a change from animals to man, because we are animals. We are apes. We are hairless, like elephants and hippos. We are highly intelligent, like killer whales and dolphins. We utterly dominate the other animals because our ancestors found themselves in a unique environment where those who possessed bigger brains were more likely to reproduce than those who were stronger and faster, but dumber.

Well, first of all let me really thank you for your very intelligent and very well-reasoned answer
I am really humbled that the great founder of Nairaland actually responded to me. Me, who joined Nairaland literally two days ago. Shows what a truly great and truly democratic forum this is. Let me also use this opportunity to thank you for not being too money hungry. You could have easily put all sorts of ads on the site. Thanks for resisting that temptation and keeping it so simple, democratic, and free.

Now to the question at hand, well, you have people over the centuries who claim to have encountered an entity who told them he was timeless and that he created the universe. You don't claim to have encountered anything. Your position is that they are all lying. Well, clearly, there are many things science and logic cannot explain. Clearly there is a spiritual world, hence things like prophesies, sightings, demons and such. Your theory cannot even start to explain any of them. Religion, on the other hand, can, to the last detail. And not through theories or intuition but through direct contact with supernatural entities. You, on the other hand, don't claim to have encountered anything. The scientists themselves have said that over 90% of reality, the universe, is made up of dark matter. And they have admitted they don't know what that dark matter is or its nature. Spiritual world? Astonishing.

Once again thanks for keeping Nairaland great and simple. Thanks for everything.

sonofLuci:
Abeg how e money take mentor you bros? E money na business man. You are a musician, how exactly he take mentor you for your music career. The guy you too they confused

He gave him money to buy instruments and stuff