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African history comprises of Arts, Architecture, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Law, Mathematics, Medical Sciences, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying extensively.

The Christian bible is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

The letter 'J' didn't exist in the English alphabet until 1524.

Prior to when Gian Giorgio Trissino introduced it , the letter "I" was used as the vowel of choice.

I would go further to suggest that it was the African languages, especially the West African languages that gave the western world the letter 'J'.

Olu317:
You see ,one of my greatest concern is how you posit view from imagination,based on self pan Africanism, which is baseless and not feasible.

There's nothing imaginary about African intellectual properties.

The same cannot be said about all these foreign extremist ideologies that are based on false narratives and fictional characters.

African history comprises of Agriculture, Arts, Architecture, Astrology, Astronomy, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Law, Mathematics, Medical Sciences, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying extensively.

Simply due to the fact that you're incapable of comprehending intellect, doesn't make it not feasible.

Not feasible to you, that's on you dude.

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Olu317:
...According to Meyers, “Jesus in ancient Palestine was noble and changed the world for good.” And that, he adds, is “hard, if not impossible, to deny.”...

According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Olu317:
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Thirdly you lied, when you said, “Byrone McCane doesn't claimed to have found any evidence of Jesus Christ character historical or archeological", because he did mentioned it perfectly...

You're the liar.

You waste your time spouting out nonsensical gibberish, show us the evidence.

I stand to be corrected, show us where he made such claim to have found historical or archeological evidence, point us to where to find this and provide the sources.

I'm not interested in rhetoric.

Assuming it's rhetoric you have, then you're simply wasting our time.

Olu317:
...Byrone didn't studiy burial only but a wide range in archeological studies and history in Judaism as a lecturer in Atlantic university. So stop using defamatory words on renowned scholars. And Byrone never claimed to be what he isn't because he is a specialist in archeology and history and not like you that's just mere commentator without fact in his field of studies.

All that is nonsensical rhetoric.

He never claimed to have found any proof of a Jesus Christ character.

GeneralDae:
Out of these 100's of christ characters, how many of them were crucified under Pontius Pilate specifically in the reign of Tiberius.

Crucifixion was a common practice by the Romans of that time period, something that continued for 500 years.

Merely mentioning the practice isn't proof of a character.

Pontius Pilate never claimed to have crucified a Christ character.

There are no Roman records of either the trial or the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

I defy you to find any such records.

There are records of the incarceration of various other characters named Jesus, however these weren't the Jesus Christ character as other contributors have already stated.

Plus, you still haven't answered the question.

What is the dates for this fictional Jesus character?

Perhaps you don't understand the question.

Let me ask again.

When was this fictional character meant to have been born?

Olu317:
...mandate of Emperor Tiberius, when Pontius Pilate was governing in Judea.

Then answer this question.

Why is it that nowhere in the historical narrative of the Pontius Pilate is the name Jesus ever mentioned?

Olu317:
....Romans Pliny and Tacitus also wrote about Jesus...

That's completely and utterly false.

Neither Pliny nor Tacitus mentioned Jesus in any of their writing.

Not one mention from either of them.

GeneralDae:
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what scholar or historical work says Josephus invented Jesus or is it just from your conspiracy theorists again?

Firstly, I never said Josephus invented the Jesus character, I said he invented the Jesus storyline, there's a distinction.

Secondly, it's the peddlers of these fictional characters that are the conspiracy theorists here.

Furthermore, perhaps you missed it earlier, here it is below, take your time and read.

Amujale:
Arrius Calpurnius Piso

This name at the surface may not seem familiar to those who have yet to read about the above character, yet for many of us on NL, we've read about him before.

Arrius Piso was a first century writer of royal descent who made use of different pen names one of which was Flavius Josephus.

source: The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin

Pdf download:-
The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin (here there's a list of various characters who wrote multiple chapters of the NT, most of whom were related to Arrius Piso .i.e his grandfather, father, siblings and other members of his extended family.

https://www.academia.edu/33328631/Flavius_Josephus_aka_Arrius_Calpurnius_Piso_pdf.

Arrius Calpurnius Piso In The Talmud
http://www.academia.edu/10920856/Arrius_Calpurnius_Piso_Aka_The_NT_Jesus_In_The_Talmud


Pliny The Younger wrote as Paul of the New Testament.

http://www.academia.edu/10806671/On_Corresponding_Words_Of_Pliny_and_Pauls_Epistles

Pliny The Younger In The Talmud
http://www.academia.edu/10734718/Pliny_Younger_In_The_Talmud

GeneralDae:
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Tacticus hated Christians and christianity. He speaks of a Chrestus crucified under the reign of Tiberus and Pilate. Tell me who else in history was known to be crucified under Tiberus and Pilate and who had a sect devoted to him after his death at the time of Tacticus. Can you name any other character whom you think Tacticus was referring to? Forget about the name Chrestus, that was probably a mistake or voiced out by Tacticus from pure hatred. Who were those Hellenists who had their founder crucified under Pontius Pilate and Tiberus? see why your arguement doesn't add up?

There were hundreds of Christ character that the Greco-Romans followed prior to the manufacture of the Roman ideology known today as Christianity.

Amujale:
It most definitely hadn't anything to does with the Jesus character.

As stated earlier, the people that Eurocentric historians refer to as the early Christians were the followers of the Church of Serapis.
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GeneralDae:
why is the book of Galatians inadmissible?

Is that part of the Christian bible?

It's common sense logic, you cannot use the Christian bible as proof for the contents of the Christian bible.

Furthermore, I already pointed out to you that that book is based on fakery and falsehood.

Olu317:
Yeshua is real as any human breathe, which some scholars have posited.

For instance, Byrone McCane ,an Archeologist and historian of religion and Judaism at the Atlantic University of Florida (USA) agrees with an Author : Peter Gertner, that, “The crucifixion of Jesus is one of the episodes generally accepted by historians.

Yeshua, Jesus, whatever you want to call that character, is solely based on fiction.


Most of the misconception comes from the fact that people claim to be historians but aren't they are Christian historians engaging in a quest for a historical Jesus when defacto they're actually engaging in malicious theology, a theology that is indeed without historical basis.

For instance, Byronr McCane doesnt claim to have found any evidence for a Jesus Christ character, historical or archeological.

He's coming from the topic from the angle of a practicing Christian.

Byrone McCane studies burials, that has no connection to the topic of proving that the Jesus Christ character ever existed.

GeneralDae:
...I have given you facts ( the book of Galatians, Josephus, Tacticus )

The Book of Galatians is inadmissible.

Josephus is credited with inventing the Jesus storyline.

Tacticus didn't mention Jesus anywhere in his write up.

I defy you to cite one paragraph in any of Tacticus writings where he mentions Jesus.

Moreover, he instead mentions Chresteans and Chrestus. More likely referring to the Hellenists and their ideology.

Furthermore, there are no historians of the first century, Romam, Greek or any other that makes mention of a Jesus Christ character.

GeneralDae:
Justin Matyr was trying to defend virgin birth. This is irrelevant to me because I cannot prove the existence of the virgin birth historically. I don't care about virgin birth arguement.

That's not what he said, are you pretending you cannot read?

Meanwhile, answer my question.

What is the date for your fictional character?

GeneralDae:
...History or Archeology and this is the best you could come up with?

That's what you're meant to be doing.

Explain how you can provide archeological evidence for a character that never existed?

These are the reasons you ought to learn how to read properly and not just brisk through text, one cannot prove the nonexistence of characters that never existed in the first instance.

When did was your fictional character meant to have been on planet Earth?

Provide us with the dates.

Since you have failed to meet the minimum requirement for this topic perhaps we ought to start from there.

GeneralDae:
I said give me the writing of a modern Professor of History or Archeology and this is the best you could come up with?

Are you aware who Justin Martyr was?

He was one of Augustine's peers.

The point is that the Philosophers in those days struggled with the rhetoric, they knew as well as I does that it's all a facade.

GeneralDae:
Joseph Martin McCabe (12 November 1867 – 10 January 1955) was an English writer and speaker on freethought, after having been a Roman Catholic priest earlier in his life. He was "one of the great mouthpieces of freethought in England"...

You're simply telling us who McCabe is, I don't see you disputing anything he wrote.

Perhaps you ought to get that book, that's the reason I posted that reference, so that anyone can pick up that book and actually read.


What is freethought?

That is the part that eludes you.

GeneralDae:
Sorry Justin quote does not prove that Jesus is fiction, rather Justin is trying to defend the virgin birth which scholars of today dismiss as fiction because there is nothing on ground to support it. But scholars believe the baptism and crucifixion could not have been invented and they have laid down their arguements for that.

I'm giving you leads for you to research for yourself.

The onus is on you to prove your fictional character, and you have failed woefully.

I don't expect you to come up with anything, due to the fact that there is no evidence of this fictional character, that's the whole point.

A challenge already exists out there and noone has come forward as of yet.

With the support of thousands of scholars and our debate premier leauge, we've already put out a $50,000 wager on social media for any one to come up with evidence of the Jesus Christ character either historical or archeological.

GeneralDae:
So let's settle this once and for all, since you reject what I presented as proof, give me the scholarly source that says Jesus is from Serapis or give me the writing of a Professor of history that supports your arguement, I can give you the writing of History professors that says Jesus was a historical character, now you give me history Professors that says Jesus is from Serapis or any of the rubbish theories you wrote up there

According to the Chronicon Paschale also known as Chronicum Alexandrinium written in the 6th century CE:-

The people of Kemit have conserted up to this day the child birth of a virgin and the nativity of her son, who is exposed in 'crib' to the adoration of the people.

The Roman Macrobius writes:

the young God was a symbol of the rebirth of the Sun at that particular date.

The whole Western world by the year 1 CE was familiar with KM.T's statue of picture of Auset with the Divine baby Heru in her arms

According to Joseph McCabe co-author of "The Story of Religious Controversy' writes on page 169

Every year the temple of Heru present to devotees, in mid winter (about December 25th), a service mode of the birth of Horus.

GeneralDae:
So let's settle this once and for all, since you reject what I presented as proof, give me the scholarly source that says Jesus is from Serapis or give me the writing of a Professor of history that supports your arguement, I can give you the writing of History professors that says Jesus was a historical character, now you give me history Professors that says Jesus is from Serapis or any of the rubbish theories you wrote up there

.The Jesus image is a perpetuation of the Serapis image.

.The Jesus storyline is a typology of the military campaign of Titus Vespasian.

The characteristics of the Jesus Christ characters a taken from various older characters from around the world, especially Africa. i.e Heru/Ausar.

Aswell as Dyonisus, Romulus, Bachus e.t.c

This is evident in the words of Justin Martyr c 165 CE and I quote:

When we say that Jesus Christ was produced without sexual union, was crucified and died, and rise again, we propound nothing new or different from what you believe regarding those whome you call the sons of Jupiter

In the above quote he was specifically referring to Dyonisus.

GeneralDae:
I have given you proof and you rejected it for your wild claims. So you give me proof for all you wrote above.

Give me the writing of a historian professor that says Jesus is from Serapis. If you can't then you are the one making claims without proof. You are repeating yourself and not even dealing with the arguements here. It's illogical to continue stating thesame thing without facts. I have given you facts ( the book of Galatians, Josephus, Tacticus ) and the fact that scholarship agrees with me. You have not given me anything but wild claims.

You are not even consistent, first you claimed he is from Romulus and now from Serapis. Your arguements are neither here nor there.

So let's settle this once and for all, since you reject what I presented as proof, give me the scholarly source that says Jesus is from Serapis or give me the writing of a Professor of history that supports your arguement, I can give you the writing of History professors that says Jesus was an historical character, now you give me history Professors that says Jesus is from Serapis or any of the rubbish theories you wrote up there

You haven't met the basic requirements for this topic.

You seem to be wasting much of your time trying to proof the existence of an altogether different character that you call Paul.

I'm not asking you about the Paul character but that you should provide us evidence of the Jesus Christ character.

GeneralDae:
If you cannot refute my points or give me scholarly sources from true Archeologists or Historians.

For the umpteenth time, one cannot prove the nonexistence of a character that never existed in the first instance.

The onus is on you to provide proof of your fictional characters and false narratives.

It's you claiming a fictional character is meant to be real.

I have you the reasoning behind the fact that the Jesus character is fictional, it's up to you to provide us with the proof.

.There are no genuine records of a Jesus Christ character anywhere in history.

.There are no archeological evidence of this fictional character.

. Not one single Roman or Greek historian from the first century makes mention of a Jesus Christ character.

.We know who invented the Jesus story.

.We are aware of the fact that the Jesus character takes after older historical characters.

.We are aware that the Jesus image is a perpetuation of the Serapis image.

Everything about the Jesus character is fake.

The name, the image, the storyline as well as the rhetoric, all based on fakery and falsehood.

GeneralDae:
...What Historians maintain is that there was an Original Jesus whom his followers thought highly of and the authors of the gospels writing 40-60 years after had a mission to evangelise. ..

No, what historians maintain is that since there is no historical grounds for reference, no recollection by historians of the specific time period, archeological data except for literature written by unscrupulous individuals, Jesus Christ is a fictitious character that never existed.

Furthermore, us already know that Romans of the first century were responsible for the writing of various stories in the Christian bible.

We can identify who wrote the Jesus story.

That in itself is enough to conclude that the Jesus Christ character is based on fakery and falsehood.

GeneralDae:
Now you say the Jesus character came from Romulus, another time it came from Budddha, Horus, Krishnna, Mithra, and someone also alleged from Moses as well. So which should we believe? Where is the Jesus character from actually?

Firstly, stop misconstruing what I wrote.

Eventhough it's correct to say that the Jesus character takes after various older characters from around the world (Buddha, Horus, Krishna, Mithra e.t.c), still, I actually gave the credit to the most ancient of these characters (Horus/Heru), it doesn't take much for you to actually take the time to READ.


Secondly you're stuck in belief mode, you have the need to want to believe

That's the reason you refuse to free yourself from these foreign extremist ideologies.

I choose to know rather than merely believe.

And you can choose to know as well assuming you would clear the cobwebs in your thought pattern and research those characters for yourself and reach your own conclusions.

The reason I state these facts is so that anyone may go and research them for ourselves.


Furthermore, Moses is a fictional character that was euhemerised into Ancient Egypt, hence that character doesn't count.

GeneralDae:
When we study Roman history, we also do not find any sentence dedicated to prophets or religious characters from Judea...

As you make my point for me, you definitely missed the part where I told you that the Christian bible is a combination of fakery and falsehood.

As in, there isn't one character or story line present in that book that is real.

GeneralDae:
You are not getting the point. Historians are not claiming that Jesus walked on water or fed 5000 people. Historians generally believe these are myths that cannot be ascertained, but if you know anything about writings in the ancient world and about ancient characters, mythical stories and exaggerations by their followers are not new..

Dude it seems you're in a trance, snap out of it.

Did you not READ what contributors to the thread wrote?

There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

At least take the time to READ.

Arrius Calpurnius Piso

This name at the surface may not seem familiar to those who have yet to read about the above character, yet for many of us on NL, we've read about him before.

Arrius Piso was a first century writer of royal descent who made use of different pen names one of which was Flavius Josephus.

source: The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin

Pdf download:-
The True Authorship of the New Testament' by Abelard Reuchlin (here there's a list of various characters who wrote multiple chapters of the NT, most of whom were related to Arrius Piso .i.e his grandfather, father, siblings and other members of his extended family.

https://www.academia.edu/33328631/Flavius_Josephus_aka_Arrius_Calpurnius_Piso_pdf.

Arrius Calpurnius Piso In The Talmud
http://www.academia.edu/10920856/Arrius_Calpurnius_Piso_Aka_The_NT_Jesus_In_The_Talmud


Pliny The Younger wrote as Paul of the New Testament.

http://www.academia.edu/10806671/On_Corresponding_Words_Of_Pliny_and_Pauls_Epistles

Pliny The Younger In The Talmud
http://www.academia.edu/10734718/Pliny_Younger_In_The_Talmud

GeneralDae:
So give me the names of those who wrote the gospel and why you think they were the authors.

Before I divulge such information, would you agree with me that neither a person called Mark, John, Luke, Paul, Peter or Timothy wrote anytime partaining to the Christian bible.