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GeneralDae:
So only one person went against Galatians as an historical document of the first century, and even according to this source you quoted, he had no historical grounds for his opinion.
Even the source you are quoting contradicts your stance.

You obviously have reading issues or your simply content at spouting falsehood.

There's nothing from within the Christian bible that has any bearing on history, that is to say it's all based on fakery and falsehood.

GeneralDae:
..Rome didn't create christianity from scratch but Amujale(the op) is not implying that and he is only just arguing for black power (which is good), but he doesn't seem to know...

As for your statement about Rome creating some parts of the doctrines of the present day Religion, I agree this may be true, but it happened at a later time most certainly from the evidence so far.

It's you who's poorly read on history and as such choose to argue pointlessly.

You refuse to take the time to study history for all that it's really worth.

Rome created the Christian doctrine from scratch.

As, the only people who Eurocentric refers to as 'Christian' before the ecumenical councils were in fact not followers of the fictional character Jesus.

They were various Hellenist religions, the most prominent of them being the followers of the church of Serapis.

GeneralDae:
...Who were those first century Romans? .

My advice is for you to actually take the time to study Roman history, especially those of the first century. i.e the Flavians (Vespasian, Titus, Domitian of the Flavian dynasty), Constantine(I) e.t.c

GeneralDae:
What history?

Roman history.

Assuming you actually take the time to read proper history books, then these kind of information wouldn't be strange to you.

Go and research the 21 ecumenical councils, the first being the council of Nicea in 325 CE.

GeneralDae:
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f) Archeology...

Kindly provide those archeological evidence.

GeneralDae:
d) The confirmation from outside sources mentioning thesame thing...

Cite them here.

Cite those scholars outside of Christian historians or Christian bible related narrators that claim the narratives in the Christian bible as being based on history.

GeneralDae:
Historians and those who study the matter have a lot of criteria they use in dissecting a fictional text, for instance:

a) The intent of the author
b) The law of embarrassment
c) The likelihood of an event
d) The confirmation from outside sources mentioning thesame thing.
e) Contradictions both internally and externally
f) Archeology

You are only fixated on (d).

If we use only (d) as a criteria then we would have to throw away many history books and we would not teach much of history because not all or even many historical sources have external backing.

According to history, the Christian bible was manufactured by first century Romans and their intention was solely to use it as a tool to further their conquest.

That is to say, these foreign extremist ideologically based narratives are tools of conquerors manufactured specifically for those reasons.

GeneralDae:
How do you know the Galatian text is not genuine? what is your proof for this? How can you just look at a letter and say it is not genuine?
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https://www.jstor.org/stable/3157167

Here's an extract of the journal authored by Alfred Williams Anthony titled "Criticism of the Epistle to the Galatians" published by The University of Chicago Feb., 1891 pp. 90-96:

As denying the genuineness of Paul's epistles to the Galatians only few persons can be mentioned. One of them is Bruno Bauer, a German, who in a work upon the Pauline epistles sets the date of them all between the last year's of Hadrian's reign and the middle of the reign of Marcus Aurelius, that is, between 138 and 170 CE and seems the Epistle to the Galatians nothing more than a compilation from the epistles to the Romans and to the Corinthians..

GeneralDae:
.... Furthermore Bart Ehrmann is not a Christian historian.

Point taken

I suppose the correct description would be a bible scholar.

However, the mere fact that he refers to himself as a Christian bible scholar and not simply a scholar as the rest of the serious minded ones, puts a huge asterisks on his point of view.

GeneralDae:
If I give you a book like "Things fall apart" to read, and I tell you that Okonkwo was real and you say no, Okonkwo never existed. It is your duty to tell me why you think so....

Firstly, I stated my reasoning at the start and again here.

Here it is again, given that there's no records, genuine written text that can pass as being academic or any genuine commentary that passed as being authentic, no third party recollection regarding these characters anywhere in history, it stands to reason that they simply never existed to start with and that those characters was simply fabricated, invented, made up.

Furthermore, since we already know what time period that the authors placed their fictional characters, it's quite simple to examine the facts and contrast with the narratives being peddled.

Using your own analogy, since the book has been found to being one of fiction and someone insist in claiming that Okonkwo was a real character, then the onus is on such a person to provide the evidence to substantiate such a claim.

GeneralDae:
The christian bible is not one book but a collection of letters and then books....

Says who?

All those false assertions don't work here.

You cannot prove the existence of any of the characters in the Christian bible and you cannot proof any of the narratives.

Why?

Due to the fact that it's all based on fakery and falsehood.


Furthermore, these same foreign extremist ideologies was used to perpetrate colonisation and slavery, and here you are some hundreds of years later peddling their false narratives.

GeneralDae:
The christian bible is not one book but a collection of letters and then books...

The Christian bible is a book that is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

That is to say, there's no character or story line that exist within the text that can lay claim to being original.

The authors of these foreign extremist ideologies invented characters and presented them as authors within that same book.

As in, neither Mark, John, Peter, Thomas or Paul wrote a single text (how could they when they are
all fictionall characters), it's authors that made those assertions.

Furthermore, Bart Hartman is a Christian historian, his commentary carries no academic validity.

Amujale:
It's seems to me that you aren't aware of the meaning of proof.

All that you stated above is rhetoric.

You cannot prove the validity of the Christian bible using the false narratives from within that book, it doesn't work in that way.

What I'm asking of you is to provide us with the evidence of your fictional characters.

Merely citing that book renders your evidence false and unreliable.

GeneralDae:
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The burden of proof lies on you to tell us why Galatians is not historical.
So give me proof and not empty claims....

You aren't making any sense.

One cannot give proof for the existence of a character that never existed in the first instance, the onus is on you to provide us with the proof of your fictional characters and false narratives.

It's you who's claiming that the narratives in the Christian bible is meant to be real, hence the onus is on you to provide us with the evidence.

GeneralDae:
lol, what other proof are you looking for, a statue or what? I gave you book of Galatians written just few years after as proof, and you call it the bible? the Bible is not a single book but 66 books, all different and some a bit contradictory to each other. You just can't deal with the arguement. Analyse my arguement and state why you don't consider Galatians as proof rather than the fallacious arguement you keep putting up here. It doesn't address my position and its' boring.

The Christian bible isn't a history textbook.

What is it that you don't you understand?

That book is based on fakery and falsehood.

Merely citing it as a source renders your evidence false and unreliable.

African history comprises of Agriculture, Art, Architecture, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Mathematics, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e t.c

These are the things we MUST return to studying extensively, with regards to our cultural intellectual properties.

Islam is one of the worst ideologies ever to set foot on African soil.

GeneralDae: I have given you the evidence already.
You don't find people having multiple stories and building a new religon in just 20 years after the death of a non existent character. That's good evidence right there.
Paul existed and wrote about a dispute with peter in A.D 48, in his letter to the Galatians. He is bitter and tries to exonerate himself over events that happened shortly between him and the Jewish church in Jerusalem. This is just about 20 years after jesus. It speaks of a peter the disciple of Jesus(whom he had conflict with), and James the brother of Jesus. If there was no Jesus, Peter, James, John, this would make no sense because to the Galatians then, the letter would be nothing but gibberish.
This is a strong reason why it is more likely that Jesus existed. Can you argue with this? Give me facts pls, not just hand waving dismissal.
When you accuse the author of Galatians of writing fiction, then the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence why you think this letter is fiction.

It's seems to me that you aren't aware of the meaning of proof.

All that you stated above is rhetoric.

You cannot prove the validity of the Christian bible using the false narratives from within that book, it doesn't work in that way.

What I'm asking of you is to provide us with the evidence of your fictional characters.

Merely citing that book renders your evidence false and unreliable.

Don't be afraid of success just because some malicious propagandist told you that money is the root of all evil, it isn't.

Strive to acquire knowledge.

Knowledge will open the path towards power.

Power inadvertently will lead you towards wealth whether you seek it or not.

Here is the formula for wealth:

Knowledge - Power - Wealth.

Follow the above formula and be amazed how much one will be able to achieve.

It's important to note that money isn't everything, however, for those of us who appreciate and prioritize accordingly, the above formula will be of great use.

There's a common misconception that peddlers of malicious ideology often spread around.

The false notion that money is meant to be the root of all evil.

Here I want to dispel that notion as being false and misleading.

The "love of money" is more probable to be the root of evil in as much as every other thing.

That is to say, learn to appreciate and prioritize accordingly.

For instance, it's completely diabolical for anyone to love anything (including money) more than one would love our parents/guardians, siblings, children, partners, elders, heroes, ancestors and all those who genuinely wish us well.

Our parents are responsible for all the better things in life.

As in, the African is responsible for all the better things in life.

HellVictorinho:
This won't change anything.

Says who?

That sounds as a defeatist mind.

My advice is for you to brush off those kind of defeatist mind set and instead work towards making our world a better place for ourselves and the coming generations.

MaxInDHouse:
Reincarnation will help them jare!
By the time they go and come back like 5,000 rounds they'll wake up, but they may reincarnate as whitemen and Amujale's effort will end in vain!

I'm comfortable in my skin, thank you, but no thank you.

If it was possible to reincarnate back into this world, I would rather be no one else than an African.

GeneralDae:
It is to me impossible that christ never walked this earth.

Then provide us with the evidence.

It's that's simple.

GeneralDae:
You are the one to prove that the jesus character never existed especially when more than 90% of historians on this matter assert that there was certainly an Original Jesus on whom the four gospels are based on.
Also there's evidence of a religion created in his name just 20 years after he was suppossed to have lived. There was a Paul writing just 20 years after his suppossed death or resurrection as well as contradictory stories all coming 40-60 years after that.

You can pass me with all that nonsensical rhetoric and provide us with the proof of your fictional character.

badonkadonk:
There are two kinds of pastors in this world. Those that God called and those that God didn't even flash their number buh they called themselves..

Nope, there’s only one type of pastor in this world, the one who peddles fakery and falsehood.

All pastors have one thing in common, they peddle a lie.

HellVictorinho:
Debates won't change anything.
So, you're wasting your time.

You can only change what you know.

You cannot change that which you don’t know.

Therefore, discussion does change things, as a matter of fact, the correct discussion can change just about anything.

HellVictorinho:
You can't correct what is flawless.

You call being a bastard and a traitor to our ancestors flawless?

I totally disagree, I think what you wrote was thoughtless and treacherous.

HellVictorinho:
The slave trade meant a lot but it will be utterly stupid for Africans to engage in unnecessary debates regarding stuff like that in this age when they have every reason to discuss about the benefits of freedom.

Are you African or are you a bastard?

Explain the piece of nonsense you wrote here.

HellVictorinho:
Go to the graves of the slave buyers and sellers and burn their skeletons!!!!!....

It’s you that’s mental deranged, due to the fact that your argument is senseless and baseless.

Instead of you to accept correction, you’re digging yourself a deeper hole.

HellVictorinho:
Go to the graves of the slave buyers and sellers and burn their skeletons!!!!!
Your madness shouldn't be directed towards me!!!
I never enslaved your parents or children or siblings or cousins!!!!!!!

Are you African or are you a bastard?

You’re writing as though history doesn’t concern you.

If you don’t have anything sensible to say, then STFU.