₦airaland Forum

TheIkoro:
I believe a reflection of the type of values that Nigerians in particular (and that black people in general) have is that the first black man to ever win a Nobel Prize in absolutely any field has not been mentioned even once in any of the comments I've thus far come across. Also that the only Yoruba politician that had nothing to do with the characteristically Yoruba irresponsibility of weeding, wining, and womanising, is mentioned on this pages almost only with derision.

Of course, I am completely certain that not one of you all know them both to be Nigerians.

The first black man to be in receipt of the prestigious "Noble Prize" is Ralph Bunche.

Ralph Bunche received the Noble Peace Prize in 1950;

followed by Albert John Luthuli Noble Peace Prize1960;

followed by Martin Luther Jnr the youngest black male Noble Peace Prize winner in 1964;

followed by W.Arthur Lewis Noble Prize in Economic Sciences 1979;

followed by Desmond Tutu Noble Peace Prize 1984;

followed by Wole Soyinka, first black man, first black person to win the Noble Prize for Literature; winning in 1986;

fast forward...e.t.c ...

Wangari Maathai first black woman and first enviromentalist to win a Noble Prize; Noble Peace Prize 2004;

followed by Barak Obama Noble Peace Prize 2009;

followed by the joint recipients of the 2011 Noble Peace Prize, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Leymah Gbowee, respectively.

followed by Denis Mukwe Noble Peace Prize 2018.

In my opinion Ralph Bunch doesnt deserve to on the list mainly because he won as a result of his expertise in creating the fabled organisation known as the "United Nations". Much of his great achievements are unAfrican or anti-African; nothing that favours or elevates Africa or the people of Africa.

If you are refering to Wole Shoyinka then he doesnt qualify for the same reason Barak Obama doesnt qualify; inconclusive; because they are both young and living legends and have so much more to give us still.

uchenageme:
... Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?

As in, indigenous Egyptians, also known as the Ancient Egyptians, also known as the original people of the land of KMT (Khemet) have been gradually virtually and steadily wiped out of existence by agressive foreign invaders going back to 800 B.C.E.

There are probably a mere fraction that survives today.

The Ancient Egyptians betrayed the mainland so much so that they refused to share the cultivation of our own hard earned knowledge and philosophies and instead chose to teach Asia and Europe (initially it was self-inflicting, although later it was under duress) and the rest is committed to history.

uchenageme:
Today we know the major races in the world. So according to your hypothesis, which race do the ancient Egyptians belong to? Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?

It is widely accepted among African historians that the Yoruba (alongside the Edo, Ibo, Hausa and Fulani type) are among the many ethnic groups that built Kemet (ancient Egypt); other groups coming from modern day Ethiopia, Niger, Benin, Chad, Cameroon, Ghana, Togo, Mali, Sudan and many other regions in West Africa and other regions on the continent.

The building of Egypt by Africans from different regions of the continent was the African Dream for a many millennia.

The train from South of The Sahara rolled towards Khemet , collecting new recruits from various different ethnic groups all the way to Sudan.

Here the ancient Africans from all around the continent drew up their plan to build what was to later become the cornerstone of European and Asian civilisations like Greek, Roman, Persian, Arabian e.t.c. and also, modern civilisation owes its rapid financial, ideological and technological success solely to Africa.


The Ancient Egyptians betrayed the mainland and ran into all sorts of problems.

Just as previous post suggest, Kemet was the name the ancient Egyptian gave their land before European war mongers began to plunder the ancient sacred sites in search of gold and unbelievable treasures; later renaming it Egypt.

The ancient Egyptians buried their Pharaohs with amazing treasure chest, Europeans, Persians and Arabs heard of these stories of limitless gold and lost all their senses; desecrating and plundering everything in their sight; fighting themselves over
treasures.

The present day Egyptians are the reminders of those crazy thoughtless expeditions. An agressive invasion that later settled on the land as conquerors.

Rossikk:
Of course it's a fraud. I've known about that pic for ages. It is one of the 2 or 3 pics that the ''Egypt is white'' brigade always pull out from their assess whenever they're being ass whupped with 100+ images of black Egypt.

Totally agree with you.

Rossikk:
Can you see the tricks these people use?

Where did that picture come from? Certainly not an actual 4,000 year old tomb in Egypt, or it wouldn't be looking so neat and pristine.

Have you asked yourself where that picture came from, before you posted it? Why not use your brain and ask yourself, ''how come the (dodgy) pictures meant to sell us a white Egypt are always so neat looking and new? Who drew them, and when?''

And you drop just ONE dodgy picture from goodness knows where, and run away.

Do you have anything close to the scores of pics I posted from actual Egyptian tombs?

Its 100% a fraud, the original picture is in the first page of " The Book of Coming forth by Day and Night" by Maulana Karenga.

I dont know where they got that fake wall painting from, the works they try to bastardise is the original wall painting straight from Rameses the third. As depicted here.

RedboneSmith:
Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

That is royally incorrect. Any one with an iotta of common sense cannot deny the fact that ancient Egyptians are black.

The above painting is a "fraud" probably commisioned by Eurocentrics like Alexander "the not so great" and the Ptolemy Dynasty.


According to African history, Ancient Egypt betrayed Africa and got eaten up by the combined forces of Asia and Europe.

Mainland Africa refused to defend KM.T because of their stupendous betrayal. Instead of facing inwards and paying back their dues to the continentals that created KM.T in the first place, they instead chose to befriend the Asians and Europeans; so much so that Ancient Egypt sided with the enemy and launch countless failed attempts to conquer the mainland thanks to the people of modern day Sudan who fought and won all and every attempt.

Asia and Europe controlled Ancient Egypt far back 800 B.C.E so they had ample time to try and re-create their version of African history i.e the fraudulent picture you peddle; however the truth will always eventually OUT.

And the truth is out, everyone living in the world during the heights of the Ancient Egyptians clearly tell us tbat they are black and African. Some called them Nubia, Ethopian or simply black and African.


They depicted themselves as black African

Rossikk:
For all those who think Africans were illiterate barbaric savages with no writing, till they were 'rescued' by whites a few hundred years ago, please explain the Papyrus of Maherperi, dated to 1400 BC - at least 500 years before Greece, the first white empire.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Maherperi.JPG

Teach!


With great reference to your findings above, Africa owns the first known literate communities on the planet.

Presently, African historians and academics have discovered in all sorts of locations, ancient written text belonging to various African communities. U.N.E.S.C.O is aware of these discoveries.

Contrary to what most Eurocentric and Arab scholars assume, most mainland Africans are infact probably born literate. According to African linguistics, more scripts have been discovered in Africa than America , Asia & Europe combined.

Totaly nine major African scripts are presently discovered not includng Arabic e.g Akan, Meroitic, the above txt (hieroglyphics)e.t.c . More than anywhere else.

Rossikk:
Isn't it funny how Nigerians idolize whites, yet their own colonial governor-general's wife, was telling the world that the Africans gave them civilization?

Exactly, while the rest of the Eurocentrics are busy creating fairy tales, the governor-generals wife was embarking in investigative journalism on the truth about African history.

Thank God for people like them to have had the nerve to tell the truth about Africas undeniable influence on Western civilization and that Africans ultimately are responsible for modernity as we know it; amidst insurmountable pressure.

uchenageme:
I did not make any references to the Bible. The book I referenced is a research work by the author and not anything related to the Bible. You seem very judgemental.

Not judgemental but being truthful.

Ah! And i see what you did there. You are correct, you didnt make mention of the bible. I apologise.

#Rossikk, exactly, i agree with your analysis, Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard; both prolific writers on pro-African literature.

The" West" hate to talk about the above authors, they also wrote about the "Empire of Songhai" of the 15th and 16th century.

P/s Awesome pics above, you have an incredible repertoire.

RedboneSmith:
Was he black? I don't know. I have always been skeptical about describing ancient Egyptians as black people. Sure, there were black people in Ancient Egypt even among the elite. But by and large, I believe ancient Egyptians were (as they often depicted themselves) a people of color, but not necessarily blacks or Nubia.

They depicted themselves as black Africans. All the accounts of the Greeks and Romans insist that their complexion is similar to other Africans.

"For all the writers who preceded the ludicrous and vicious falsifications of modern Egyptology, and the contemporaries of the ancient Egyptians (Herodotus, Aristotle, Diodorus, Strabo, and others), the Black identity of the Egyptian was an evident fact."

Herodotus states in a few passages that the Egyptians were black/dark.

According to most translations, Herodotus states that a Greek oracle was known to be from Egypt because she was "black", that the natives of the Nile region are "black with heat ", and that ancient Egyptians are "black skinned with woolly hair.

The people of the land of kemet are definitely African, a diverse community dominated by black Africans as rulers of almost all the major Dynasties.

There is no doubt in my mind that ancient Egyptians are black and African.

The present day Egyptians are part of a foreign war crusade that settle in the region of recent. They have zero relation to the people of kemet.

Egypt was the name the Europeans named the land when they took to desecration and plunder.

p/s the Egyptian wall painting depicts the mathematical activities involved in this process of assessing agricultural activities: the measuring of fields by “rope-stretchers,” determining the sizes of harvests, and computing taxes; is of Menna, built in the period 1420–1411 BCE in the Valley of the Kings is considered a mathematical treasure by M.A.A (Mathematical Association of America).

Reference:

Frank Swetz, Mathematical Expeditions: Exploring Word Problems Across the Ages. Johns Hopkins Press, 2012.

Frank J. Swetz (The Pennsylvania State University), "Mathematical Treasure: Tomb of Menna," Convergence (April 2016)

Rossikk:
I'm familiar with Stichen's work. You are indeed right that there could well be some extraterrestrial input into early Egyptian civilization. But I'm a tad suspicious of western attempts to paint ancient African achievements as those of aliens. The theories and evidence advanced by Stichen and others like Graham Hancock are persuasive in many instances, but I still caution a degree of reservation regarding the degree of impact such alien lifeforms had on our early African civilization.

I know and agree that its laughable to claim that all African ancestry are from outer-space.

Most of our ancestors are human, they are genius.

The main reason the Arabs and the West created their manufactured religions was so as to try and stifle our creativity; to no avail.

uchenageme:
... My reference is from "Genesis revisited" by Zachariah Stichen. Please take time to read this book if you are a seeker of knowledge and truth.

Even though i share and appreciate much of your sentiments regards Imhotep, the above doesnt read too well.

Imhotep predates the christian bible and all other Western philosophies.

Western religions lie about almost everything.

Imhotep and the bible have nothinh in common.

Imhotep is a genuine, real person that history record existed, whilst the bible talks about ficticious characters e.g Moses, Jesus e.t.c

If Moses really existed, Imhotep and the other African scientist would have definately made a record of his life; but they didnt, and so that is the simple proof that he is a made-up character; never really existed.

The author of the christian bible are criminals are guilty of a huge amount of criminality.

wirinet:
Exactly what I was saying. A political activist is a cult figure among his followers, but might be hated by antagonists. Like the saying goes "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist "

To some Ndubisi Kanu is the greatest man alive, to some it is Awolowo, to others it is El Zakzaky.

I have to say, i agree with the spirit of your post here. But i come from the most political activist are freedom fighters stand point. Although i get your point loud and clear now.

wirinet:
Being a political activist does not confer greatness on a person. He only become a cult figure to his followers. On that criteria, Vladimir Lenin or Gandhi would be far greater than all the political activists you listed.

I strongly disagree.

With respect to the African cause, being a political activist is definately the best way to correct the wrongs of the world; and is right up there with the best of humanity.

I wouldnt even dare bat an eyelash if an activist is named the most influential black man to have ever lived.


P/s Ghandhi was a biggot towards Africans. He was Great for India.

wirinet:
Revising and rewriting history.
Imhotep was not black, and he was not even close to the most celebrated academic of all time. He is no where near Sir Isaac Newton in terms of academic achievements or Leonardo da Vinci. The only thing I learn of imhotep was that he designed the pyramids of Giza. You should know that pyramids had been built far before imhotep. Every learned person must learn the works of Newton and Da Vinci.
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Obviously, Imhotep is black and is an African. See the images and re evaluate.

You are definately ignorant of the genius of Imhotep

Like my previous post clearly states, Imhotep is not only one of the most influencial black men to have lived, he is arguably the most influencial academic anywhere in the world; period.


Imhotep is the most learned and influential mathematician, physician, engineer, philiosopher, chemist, astronomer e.t.c

These are pure facts.

Without Imhotep and the other KM.Tic priests, the entire world of today wouldnt have been able to make great advancements in the Arts, Commerce or Sciences.


"Imhotep, a gifted mathematician, credited as the authority that identified and held onto all the major fundamentals of modern day mathematics"

Source: A History Of Mathematics by Uta C. Merzbach and Carl B.Boyer. Forward by Isaac Asimov. Its important to note that Asimov is famous author of I-Robot Series in science related literature.

Furthermore, all the celebrated academics of today, say with their own mouths and write-ups.

That is how we know the truth.

wirinet:
If musicians, entertainers and politicians is all we can nominate as the greatest blackman, then we are in trouble.
When the whites have a Leonardo da Vinci, Alexander the Great, William Shakespeare, Albert Einstein, Richard Hawkins, and thousands of others that have changed the world. We can only be proud of entertainers.

1.Imhotep ✓ The worlds first multi- genius and arguably the most celebrated academic of all time.
2. Marcus Garvey ✓ Political Activist
3.Malcolm X. ✓ Political Activist
4.Martin Luther King (Jnr) ✓ Political Activist
5.Emperor Haile Selassie ✓ Monarch & Spiritual Leader
6.Lewis Latimer. ✓ Hall of Fame Inventor
7.Jesse Ernest Wilkins. ✓ Renowned Mathematician
8.Muhammed Ali ✓ Professional Boxer and Political Activist.
9.W.E.B Dubois ✓ Political Activist, Sociologist, Historian and Pan Africanist.


e.t.c

caracas:
Wetin this one dey tlk . Abi u don smoke that thing for this early afternoon?na wa o Africans are kind.....Lol

Generically, yes according to history, Africans are known to be kind; at least compared to everyone else.

OkunrinOloro:
As for latimer, I stopped taking him seriously after I found out that his other notable invention apart from a light bulb filament is a mobile toilet.

Latimer's other notable invention apart from the light bulb filament techniques, is in all reality the humble "telephone" and not the derogatory claim of mobile toilet, so you can stop peddling those false and derogatory claims.
Thank you.

Lewis latimer co-invented the Light Bulb with Thomas Edison.

Lewis Latimer co-invented the telephone with Graham Bell.

Lewis Latimer is a reknowned engineer and prolific inventor that has his name engraved into the National Inventors Hall of Fame(www.invent.org).

OkunrinOloro:
Funny, because the same applies equally to YOU.

No sir, it doesnt apply to me, because i acknowledge Lewis Latimer as a prolific inventor, whilst you do not.

OkunrinOloro:
Allowing one's self to be "brainwashed" by objective facts is a healthy part of intellectual honesty. You ought to try it sometimes.

No, thank you . There is nothing good about "brainwashing".

In my opinion, replacing reality with fiction can never be a good thing.

Generically, Africans are kind, generous, tboughtful, charming e.t.c

Generically, "The West" is ruthless, thoughtless, brutal, unkind e.t.c

OkunrinOloro:
You're still wrong. NONE of those people would have succeeded were it not for the active connivance of Africans.

Even to this day the majority of trafficked human beings in the world are Blacks and the traffickers who are their fellow blacks use African voodoo to keep their victims under control and stop them from escaping.

From what you write here, i can easly deduce that you have been brainwashed into believing what they (The West) want you to believe.

But you and "The West" are both wrong.

According to African studies, simultaneously, Christianity, Islam and Judaism combined are the reason for how broken the world is today.

Africans are kind, generous, tboughtful, charming.

The West is ruthless, thoughtless, brutal, unkind e.t.c

OkunrinOloro:
The real joke is elevating mediocrity purely on the basis of skin color.

If you cannot name one invention that bears your name, the joke is on you.

OkunrinOloro:
Clearly you didn't read the link I provided, so I can't really say anything more to you until you do.

As for latimer, I stopped taking him seriously after I found out that his other notable invention apart from a light bulb filament is a mobile toilet.

Philip Emeagwali win the 1989 Gordon Bell Prize. The Gordon Bell Prize is an award partaining to super computers.

Your link is probably wrong.

Lewis Latimer is a prolific inventor.

If you cannot take a reknowned engineer and prolific inventor serious, then the joke is on you.

OkunrinOloro:
I'm honestly at a loss as to what you need more, a history lesson or a reality check.

Thank goodness you admitted that it was a joint effort between blacks in the New World (The Americas and the Carribean) and whites that ended slavery.

But kindly tell me, out of the depth of your wisdom, who the indigenous African abolitionists were.

Your African forefathers sold their fellow Africans into slavery in exchange for whiskey and gin. It NEVER occurred to them that what they were doing was wrong because slavery is part and parcel of African culture and traditions.

Unlike you, I've visited a few palaces of traditional rulers and seen descendants of palace slaves.

The British actually had to fight a war to stop African Kings like Kosoko from continuing with the Slave Trade after the British had made it illegal.

Really, we have a problem with self imposed ignorance on this continent.

I understand quite well where you are coming from, yet your argument is still incorrect.

I am not here to defend the traitors and defectors of those days, however, the majority of the blame of the trans Atlantic horrors lay squarely at the feet of the Arabs, Europeans and the Jews of those days.

The three of these business partners, combined with traitors and defectors all combined to cause a distruption in the African story.

But be in NO doubt the blame lies squarely at the feet of the Arabs, Europeans and Jews.

They are the reason that most of us present day Africans do not know the history of our own continent, instead they teach us LIES.

Go and learn True African history, because that is my forte.

OkunrinOloro:
Philip Emeagwali is a well known fraud:

http://saharareporters.com/2010/10/18/how-philip-emeagwali-lied-his-way-fame

Latimer's achievements while impressive for the time, were not unique. Other inventors were doing similar or better things in the 19th century.

That just a good piece of nonsense.

How can there be progress when prople like you try there best to stifle our achievements?


Philip Emeagawali is top 10 most influential blacks on anyones mind.

Lewis Latimer is a prolific inventor, and as such, has his name engraved in the "hall of fame" specifically made for "inventors".

OkunrinOloro:
And who ended slavery?

I wouldnt want the thread to be turned into a history lesson, however, your ignorance cannot go unchallenged.

Go and research and get back to us with your findings and we can continue discussion on a brand new thread.

If falsly claim the incorrect notion of who actually own the "abolition" process then you need to realise your compounding ignorance.

Stop and Think!

All the information is available in the public domain. And cease these nonsensical claims on history.

And i am not refereing to the fabricated history that supports false claims that Britain abolished slavery.

That is a false claim.

Blacks and their well connected friends fought to abolish slavery in their given regions.

Ultimately, Britain abolished slavery only in its jurisdiction by making use of the Slavery Abolition Act 1833, other nation that took part in the evil of those days followed suit in the later years. i.e France abolished slavery in 1848 and the U.S.A in 1865, all have in common a hard fought campaign by African individuals and groups with the well appreciated help from friendly white folks.

Furthermore, to support the above, African academics have found enough evidence to suggest that black communities exist in Britain and other parts of Europe prior to 1400 B.C.E. These communities are said to have been part of the pioneering force behind the "Abolition" process. Yet the discourse is later high-jacked by much of Europe's "political class"

That is the truth. All the falsity you peddle you need to drop and consider these truths

Question: Who are the Abolitionist?

Question: Who are "Black Lives Matter" ?

If you cannot answer correctly to either of these then you are devoid of the truth surrounding these matters.

According to African studies, the overwheming force behind either of these related campaignes are Africans. Any other effort can really only be seen as part of what professional athletes would call "supporters club".

But due to the fact that the post- modern world of today is currently dominated by the so called "Western World", its easy for them to sell to you those LIES.

Lewis Latimer, Hall of fame engineer and inventor.

Lewis invented the carbon filament, a vital component of the lightbulb.

Jesse Ernest Wilkins, is amongst the most influential mathematicians of all time.

Earning bachelor, master and eventually doctorate degree in mathematics at the age of 19.

Youngsage:
Muhammed Ali should be on this list

obentenyson:
it's one thing to be popular, it's another to be influencial.. Ali is influencial but not as most thinks.. He is the most influential person in the world of boxing. ..

I agree. Ali is a colossus in human rights movements worldwide.

He was a professional boxer and made just as much, if not more, success as a political activist.

Orunmila