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RamessesIV:
If you are a african historian you will know that Africa is very diverse,Africa was first used to refer to north africa,is like saying don't classify easy asians as mongoloid call them Asian even though Asian is very diverse

I hope you get my point

Africa is a huge continent that comprises of over fifty countries.

The Arabian and Eurocentric warmongers refered to it as a country, they still does today.

RamessesIV:
Indus people was "black" again this has not been proven,genetic testing done in 2017 did not show such evidence,and you mean "black" you refer to the people with "sub-saharan ancestry or the negritos

I have already shown you pictoral proof, theres more deeper proof but i intentionally havent shared due to the fact that it touches ancient Indo spirituality that are privy to the scholars.

Kindly choose to use 'South of the Sahara', opposed to 'sub-sahara'.

We are not 'sub'to anyone or anything, nevermind the Sahara.

RamessesIV:
...classification done for white supremacy to justify slavery I am well aware of these,and negro is the spanish word for "black",..

Thank you.

That is absolutely correct.

Now can you understand my point when i say that the term Negroid isnt a valid classification for the African to embrace.

RamessesIV:
I am talking about negroid in terms of classifications..

Negroid is not a valid classification, its a derrogatory terminology.

Assuming anyone is supposed to be doing the classification, it has to be the African.

And as an African historian, i say Negroid isnt a valid classification.

African is a valid classification.

RamessesIV:
Doesn't change you can lie about history,again white nationalism,scientific racism etc it is not a new thing hence my skepticism,once history starts spending half of it's time claiming borders,people,without credible evidence is already clear what it is for

Our evidence is based on analytic, scientific and pictoral proof.

Read the document below.

RamessesIV:
Negroid came from the era of scientific racism used to classify dark skinned people...

Negroid is a derrogatory term.

What dont you understand about that?

Go and research the Transatlantic Slavetrade.

Go and rearch Jim Crow.

RamessesIV:
Those who study African history.

Yes, however, those who study African history from an African perspective.

RamessesIV:
Caucasoid is acceptable but negroid isn't?? ��

You need to know the root word as well asthe history of these terms on order to get my point.

Caucasoid is a proper identification.

Negroid is a derrogatory term.

RamessesIV:
I am not new to this whether is eurocentric,afrocentric,creationist,white or black nationalist people tend to use history for their own bias and politics,the era of scientific racism has proven this

Here is where you have been sleeping on African history.

African history has een determined
over thousands of years already now.

Following all the evidence, our historians job is to merely debunk all the pseudo-science and false assertions thats out there.

Noone can tell teach the African about our own history.

RamessesIV:
if african are the only "true humans" where did Asians come from,europeans..

The original Asians and Europeans was blacksic.

The current stock originate from the Caucasus Mountains.

Hence, the term caucasoid.

RamessesIV:
Lol lens of eurocentrism says the afrocentrist

I am well versed on scholarly,reviewed,researched works on african history

Why is everything that doesn't support your "black hypothesis",eurocentrist

Lol yeah negroid or caucasoid isn't right let's group humans in melanated and passive melanated people,even athropologist don't use this,are you any better than the racists who did the "negro" "Caucasoid" Classification

I don't need to back up my claims with evidence must of the claims you made here aren't even peer reviewed or correct,as i have said I follow scholarly,proven and well researched claims

I am not new to this whether is eurocentric,afrocentric,creationist,white or black nationalist people tend to use history for their own bias and politics,the era of scientific racism has proven this

Who is supposed to be the experts on African history?

RamessesIV:
From the perspective of "African people" one is about white people the other is about black people

No, both are about African people and our culture from different perspectives.


Afrocentrism aims to correct the false assertions made by Eurocentric historianssic and commentators.

RamessesIV:
"African" horners are also caucasoid too,but in future if more credible evidence come font then maybe we can agree on sub-saharan links of "indus people"

I guess you ought to research the history of North Africa.

Who are the original 'horners'?

The demographic of that regions has changed hands more than 100 times in the last 2,100 years.

Furthermore, learn to make use of the term 'South of the Sahara', opposed to 'Sub Sahara'.

Know thyselves.

South of the Sahara ✅

Sub Sahara ✖

The communities 'South of the Sahara' arent sub to anyone or anything nevermind the 'Sahara'.

For further discussion, follow the link here:

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

RamessesIV:
"indus people" are not classified as negroid,and again there is no substantial evidence to prove it,

The only African use for the term 'negroid' is so as to compile certain historical commentary.

We know that is meant to refer to 'melanated active' peoples; they used derogatory terminology so as to attempt to justify there psedu-science. One can overlook the crass terminology and gain the pieces of information.

Indus people was blacksic there is enough evidence to prove that.

Various ethnicities from Africa inhabitted and populated those regions, recent information pinpoints one of these people as the Twa.

RamessesIV:
arabs are claimed to come from africa due to geography and cultural links..

The evidence suggest that the current stock of Arabs and Europeans are Caucosoids.

The ancient population of Asia and Europe all originated from Africa.

They was all 'melanated active', in other words, they was blacksic this has been proven without a shadow of a doubt.

RamessesIV:
earliest humans were proto-humans

Eventhough that isnt even true, assuming we are to go with the flow and work with such hypothesis, Homo Sapien Sapien is said to exist exclusively in Africa. Check?

Given the lack of conclusive evidence to support the Eurocentric commentary on African history, the safest way to conclude is that the early Africans was no different to the humans of today.

Perhaps, this is where we can allow for 'out of the box' thinking, such as the first Africans, the first humans was created by extra-terrestrials.

RamessesIV:
Afrocentrist, all humans migrated from africa.

All the evidence suggest that all humans originate from Africa.

If you have any evidence that contradicts this, you can glady provide it here.

Such understanding resides in the 'Out of Africa' theory.

All human kind are traceable to Africa due to the fact that African people are proven to be the oldest people on planet Earth.

Pan-Africanism is a worldwide movement that aims to encourage and strengthen bonds of solidarity between all indigenous and diasporan ethnic groups of African ascent.

Africanisms refers to characteristics of African culture that can be traced through societal practices and institutions of the African diaspora. Throughout history, the dispersed descendants of African people have retained many forms of their ancestral African culture.

Also, common throughout history is the misunderstanding of these remittances and their meanings.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africanisms

Afrocentrism is a scholarly movement that seeks to conduct research and education on global history subjects, from the perspective of historical African peoples and polities. It takes a critical stance on Eurocentric assumptions and myths about world history, in order to pursue methodological studies of the latter.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afrocentrism

RamessesIV:
Afrocentrist, all humans migrated from africa,please recheck your claims,earliest humans were proto-humans and again Caucasoid,mongoloid,negroid are not accurate terms the human race is more diverse than that,and "indus people" are not classified as negroid,and again there is no substantial evidence to prove it,only claims which are till date not credible enough to come to such conclusions,besides even ancient arabs are claimed to come from africa due to geography and cultural links and again there is nothing like "African" horners are also caucasoid too,but in future if more credible evidence come font then maybe we can agree on sub-saharan links of "indus people"

Everything truth to someone such as you is viewed through the lens of Eurocentrism.

I suggest you improve your scholarship and reeducate yourself with regards to African history.

What is this notion of Afrocentrism that you bandish about?

Just to be clear, eventhough you may prefer to me Afrocentric as a derogatory connotation, however you need to realise that the true meaning of Afrocentrism is the scholarship, whilst the scholars themselves are better known as Africanist.

Theres no such thing as a 'negroid'.

Where does the term 'Negroid' originate?

There is melanated people and passive melanated people.

Every living person on the planet possesses melanin, however some are active whilst others are passive.

You need to research well rather than follow the malicious narrative of the psedo-science that has been debunked since the late 1900's.

All my teachings are based on scholarship and not merely opinionated.

What is the meaning of the term 'Caucasoid'?

In order for one to ascertain the validity of something its important to perform a thorough perusal.

I dont claim anything that is not subjected to research.

Anything i say or wrtite up about can be researched, does us all a favour and research before you attempt anything.


Heres the deal.

Whatever i have written or shared with the thread that you may find difficult to agree with, research and provide evidence that you think contradicts and we can take it from there.

Where does the term 'Caucasoid' originate from?

In the depiction below is the movement of the Twa.

It's important to note that the Twa aren't the only African to migrate, West Africans did so as well, we are working on a thorough breakdown of our Ancestors movements too,

We need all our artefacts returned to us so we can work on them.

The second photos are the picture of one of the oldest depictions of the Indigebnous Austalassians before they began intermarriage and all of that stuff.

Can you see how their hair texture, and how it isn't straight as is today?

RamessesIV:
What's the connection between indus valley and africa�,geography isn't a good excuse..

Archeology, anthropology, linguistics, personnel and symbolism.

There are no caucasoid civilisations in the Indus Valley.

The earliest civilisation in those regions migrated from Africa.

As a matter of fact, Africans are indigenous to all the continents; we have the map and we have traced their movement using archaeology, anthropology, symbolism and personnel comparitive studies.

The first caucasoid civilisation was crete.

The Arabs and the Europeans have the same beginnings.

The earliest traceable Arabian civilisation was in mesopotamia.

That are no Arabs in the Indo valley.

The Chinese and Japanese came from the Mongols.

Edeyoung:
Olu means. King(lord)
Kabiyesi means(royal highness)
All this are general term for kings in yoruba


There was never a benin-ife connection from this answer given


Ogie means king, royalty

Oba means shinn

According to the yorubas oba of benin should be called

Ogie edo oba of benin Ewuare 11

Can we now adress the oba of benin like this to ascertain that the title oba is benin according to our yoruba peeps


Please why is it only the oba that gets to be buried in ife what about the rest
Why is the oba if Benin special to the yorubas

Oba didnt become the general word for King, Oba is the generic term for King

Amujale:
Are you claiming that Oba isnt a generic Yoruba terminogy?

If so, provide us with the etymology.

Where does the term 'Oba' originate?

scholes0:
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So Benin colonized Yoruba

Benin did not colonise Yoruba, even the Portugues didnt.

Benin didnt even colonise Lagos, the Portuguese did.

Edeyoung:
Lord and king what is the difference

Pls you guys shouldnt get me started


My conclusion is the word oba is not yoruba

No true answer have been giving so far

To connect if ife really had contact with benin

Are you claiming that Oba isnt a generic Yoruba terminogy?

If so, provide us with the etymology.

Where does the term 'Oba' originate?

Oba (ruler) Oba is the word for King.

Kings in Yorubaland are known as Obas, for example Oba Sijuade of Ile ife, Oba Aromoralan of Ijeshaland, Oba Adeyemi of Oyo, Oba Eriediewa of Benin.

Similarly, i personally represent the essence of the spirit of a famous seat of an Oba.

The Benin people adopted the word from the Yoruba.

The Benin word for King is Ogie or Ogiso changed to Oba when Eweka l son of yoruba prince Oranmiyan came to the throne in Benin.

Aristocratic titles among the Yoruba.

The Yoruba chieftaincy system can be divided into four separate ranks: royal chiefs, noble chiefs, religious chiefs and common chiefs.

The royals are led by the Obas, who sit at the apex of the hierarchy and serve as the fons honorum of the entire system.

Oba Beaded Crown "Ade" of King Onijagbo Obasoro Alowolodu, Ogoga of Ikere.

I pay my homage to the Crown, I digress.


There are two different kinds of Yoruba monarchs: The kings of Yoruba

For example, the king of Iwo - bears the title "Olu'wo" (Olu of Iwo, lit. Lord of Iwo).

The first generation towns of the Yoruba homeland, which encompasses large swathes of the said countries of Benin, Nigeria and Togo, are those with obas who generally wear beaded crowns; the rulers of many of the 'second generation' settlements are also often obas. Those that remain and those of the third generation tend to only be headed by the holders of the title "Baale" (lit. Father of the Land ), who do not wear crowns and who are, at least in theory, the reigning viceroys of those who wear crowns.

I bow to the ways of the Crown.

What is the etymology for the term 'Oba'?

RedboneSmith:
A little question, please.

If Oba is the generic Yoruba word for King, what about Olu? It is just a mere synonym, or are there differences between Olu and Oba?

Or is the difference one of dialect, where Oba is prevalent in one part of Yorubaland and Olu is prevalent in another?

You are absolutely correct.

Oba is the generic Yoruba term for king.

Olu is the generic Yoruba term for Lord.

We need to take in mind that humanity begins in Africa and that both Asia and Europe have a 2000 year head start due to the slave trades.

According to their own records, the current stock of Asians and Europeans werent around 100,000 years ago.

The oldest ancient tool found in West Africa dates over 1 million years old.

RamessesIV:
OLDEST CIVILISATION IN EUROPE

Minoans (3000BC-1200BC)

location:aegean sea,crete

OLDEST CIVILISATION IN ASIA

Indus valley(3300BC-1300BC)

Location:western part of the indian-subcontinent

OLDEST CIVILISATION IN NIGERIA

Nok culture=(1500BC-500AD)

Location=Northern Nigeria

Some of the dates arent accurate

You are correct that the oldest civilisation in Europe is Minoan.

However, the dates are as follows:
Minoans c.2700 toc.1450 BCE

location:aegean sea,crete

The oldest civilisation in Asia is the summer civilisation

(3300BC-1300BC)

The Indus valley is connected to Africa by the hip. Our scholarship suggest that there are two many connections for them to be down to coincidence.

Eventhough there's proof of earlier dates i will go with Profesdor S A Akintoye and Clyde Winters.


The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Urhobo, Nupe, Tiv, Igala, Idoma, and so on, from our archeological research and linguistic research, we believe that though all those peoples evolved along the banks of the Middle Niger up to the confluence with the Benue and that at some point in 5000-3000 BCE they began to spread out from there and gradually, the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Igbere evolved, and so on.

According to Dr Clyde Winters West Africa owns the oldest form of developed writting systems anywhere in the world.

What is the oldest civilisation in Asia?

What is the oldest civilisation in Nigeria?