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What is the oldest civilisation in Europe?

What is the oldest civilisation in Nigeria?

Here a the list of Yoruba speaking states in Republic of Benin:

Borgu(Shaworo)
Collines
Donga(Bassila)
Plateau
Weme

Five out of the twelve departments are Yoruba speaking ones.

These your campaigns are counterproductive to Nigeria, Africa

Concentrate our focus on discovering our hidden history as it has to relate to the world.

Instead of attempting to bastardise history.

In case you have failed to realise, the history of the people in Nigeria predates both Asia and Europe.

Perhaps we ought to devote part of out time to investigate the accurate connections of our offspringd that formed into the outside world.

Perhaps we ought to be investigating history that will uplift our people.

LorrdSky:
The Benin Empire colonized the YorubaLand so the Yorubas adopted the tradition of Benin people.

Yoruba people in Togo went as far as renaming their country from Dahomey to Benin Republic.

Practically, for the amount of Yoruba speakers in Benin Republic, the obvious choices was to retain the Republic of Dahomey or possible Republic of Yoruba.

However, according to history, the only reason they named it the Republic of Benin was because "Benin" was deemed politically neutral for all ethnic groups in the state, whereas "Dahomey" recalled the Fon-dominated Kingdom of Dahomey and Yoruba already has a huge demographic elsewhere.

Are you forgetting that this all occured under colonisation?

It leaves a distastefullness in mouths of many historians how they distrupted our somewhat perfect territorial nations on the continent.

It isnt anything to celebrate.

What is the etymology of the term 'oba'?

Where does the term 'oba' originate?

TAO11:
I can hear Professor S. A. Akintoye's voice im your comment here. True? Lol.

Moving on, even in light of the fact that aboriginal Lagosians (i.e. the Aworis) later had their first contact with the Binis in the 1500s/1600s, [b]the claim of the Benin people today that the first King of Lagos (from thence) --- i.e. Ashipa --- was a Bini indegene is a capital FALSEHOOD.

Ashipa is well established in Lagos tradition as a Yoruba prince from Isheri of Ife royal descent.

Your are spot on.

Professor S.A Akintoye gives a good basic breakdown.

According to historical sources, prior to the founding of the kingdom of Eko by the Awori, there was the kingdom of Ota.

There was an Awori kingdom in Lagos before any contact with the Bini.

The Yoruba, Edo, Igbo, Urhobo, Nupe, Tiv, Igala, Idoma, and so on, from our archeological research and linguistic research, we believe that though all those peoples evolved along the banks of the Middle Niger up to the confluence with the Benue and that at some point in 5000-3000 BCE they began to spread out from there and gradually, the Yoruba, Edo, Nupe, Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Igbere evolved, and so on. People then went out roughly from 3000 to 1000 BCE, spread out and gradually occupied the country that became the Aro.

The Yoruba, which happened to be the largest of these groups, spread out roughly southwards and westwards and occupied what is now Yorubaland, from the Yoruba in Kogi, west of the Niger, that is, Lokoja — southwards, all the way to the coast, what is now the islands of Lagos and westwards into what is now Benin Republic, Togo Republic and even a little bit of Ghana.

Every group had its own homeland.


The Edo had its own homeland, a little smaller than that of the Yoruba, to the east of the Yoruba.

And there were no kingdoms; these were just people that were coming as agricultural communities, evolving and getting better.

The Yoruba started to evolve kingdoms; they ruled themselves by kingdoms and the first kingdom to be created was Ife.

From Ife, people went out and created other kingdoms.

The kings are not the creators of the people.

The people was (already) there.

So, it is not that the king is the owner of the people; the people was there. A prince would come from Ife, establish a kingdom among the people and become the king of the people.

samuk:
Incase you missed it. Please hear it from the horse's mouth, the Oba of Lagos himself.

History is history as told by the people and not what you wish it to be. Are you the custodian of Lagos history. Are you one of the chiefs of Oba of Lagos, I guess not and as a result, your logic doesn't count.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

The Awori were the first settlers of Eko.

The Awori are the people who first settled in Lagos with the Ijebu close to them towards the North and East and the Egbado close to them towards the North and West.

I don’t think there is anybody disputing that.

In fairness to the Oba of Lagos, I don’t think he’s saying any other group but the Awori are the owners of Lagos because there is no basis for saying that.

What he has been saying is that at some point in the history of Lagos — not when Lagos was founded as a human settlement, but many centuries later after Lagos had become a kingdom — people who first settled in these places were not kingdoms; we know that from Yoruba history.


We know it from the Edo history as well.

It was not until more than 3,000 years that kingdoms began to emerge among the Yoruba first, then among the Edo, and so on.

And it wasn’t until the kingdoms had existed for hundreds of years that the Edo had contact with the kingdom of Lagos and became involved in the royal family of Lagos.

samuk:
Incase you missed it. Please hear it from the horse's mouth, the Oba of Lagos himself.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvaiC_djW8o

That is in reference to the rulers of the then Benin Kingdom during that time.

Theres no contradiction, the history of Lagos isnt foreign to anyone.

However, Eko predates Lagos.

How old is that jingle?

Who celebrates Adamu Orisa?

That is simply modern history that we are all aware about, yet the original people of Eko are the Yoruba.

Anyone disputing that needs a reality check.

samuk:
Benin have relationship in the past with various tribes that are now part of the bigger Yoruba tribe/ethnicity.

The Benin recognise their relationship with the various tribes from western Nigeria at various times in history.

Benin doesn't recognise a general relationship with the recently created larger Yoruba group.

There is very little to write about Benin/Ijebu relationship for example and an Ijebu person hiding under the name Yoruba to claim some relationship with Benin will be a lie.

Benin/Lagos relationship, Benin/Owo, Benin/Ekiti and Benin/Akure relationships are more grounded and have far more historical authenticity to them than Benin/Ife relationship that was fabricated in 1930.

Whilst the Benin acknowledges our various relationships with various Yoruba tribes, we will not accept and tolerate any historical fabrications with any group under the umbrella name of Yoruba.

If you are claiming Benin/Yoruba relationship, you have to be specific and not muddle things up. Benin doesn't and didn't have a general relationship with all Yoruba tribes.

Benin/Lagos relationship is seen as father and son relationship.

Benin/eastern Yoruba was filled with wars and bloodshed.

I aint claiming nothing.

One is simply following simple logic.

History isnt that hard to ascertain.

Eko predates Lagos.

What is the etymology for the term Eko?

In what language will we find the root word for Eko?

How many honomyns does Eko have and in what language are the majority of them found?

gregyboy:
Are u insane yoruba history

Which benin people.....


Shut the trap


We came in contact with some yorubas not all and ife hapoeans not to be one of then

You are derranged and logic challenged

Riddle me this, where does the term 'Oba' originate?

History is our responsibility, in certain cases we have to compromise for the greater good.

Most of my Binni friends love and respect their Yoruba history, my question to those minority members of the Binni community that think it nice to disrespect Yoruba culture at every given opportunity, who's side are you on?

Yoruba is an ethnicity, we will lose no sleep if we cut ties with you.

A word is enough for the wise.

gregyboy:
Yoruba man

Benin had connections with yorubas which were recorded in history but With ife NO
That shit was made up in the 30s

Ife is Yoruba and vice-versal everyone who is connected to us have to respect that.

We are arguing with ourselves over frivolous stuff, yet the real enemies are out there in the outside world.

I cannot understand why some Binni people have a distain for Yoruba, eventhough they have a huge amount that we have in common.

Instead of you to swallow your pride and take your placw in history, some will try to thhrow unecessary tantrums.

If you feel so strong about not being connected to Yoruba, its very easy.

Go to the Nigerian Supreme Court and file a class action recinding all your cultural and linguistic ties to Yoruba; without that you just have to accept the facts and lets get on with our lives.

That being said, the slavetrade was invented by Arabs.

The history of slavery is a horrific campaign that lasted for over 2000 years.

Prior to the Arabian slavetrade, there was no such thing that existed on the African continent.

Slavery in the context of the African is tantamount to POW's. There was never ever a culture of slavery prior to the Arabian one.


Kindly, hear me out, i'm not here to defend anyone's neffaious activities, and that includes the Benin Kingdom but to make something absolutely clear, all the blame of the slave trades lies squarely at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

The notion that Benin kingdom sold other Africans into to slavery is absurd and a diservice to history.

Noone is saying that certain rulers in the Benin Kingdom carries no blame, what we does know is that the traitors and defectors at that time have a diminished responsibility given the fact that they was tricked and that the Portugese carry all the blame.

There is a 2000 year history of slavery on the continent.

1)The Arabian also known as the The Transaharan

2)The Portuguese

3)The Transatlantic

All of these occured in the above particular order.

Its important to note that the history of slavery is tantamount to thr history of Christianity and Islam on the African continent.

How do we know that the Benin Kingdom have a diminished responsibility.

We know this because the culture of slavery is unAfrican, whereas the Portuguese made a career out of these type of criminal activities.


The notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is a narrative that we must refrain from pushing, if not for the sake of transparecy, then maybe we ought to think about potential reparations.


For instance, certain legal forces in the African Anerican sector are looking to take the US government to the World Court in order to claim there reparations.

The slavery that occured in Africa wasnt the same slavery that the Arabian fundementalist and Eurocentric warmongers practised.

African concept of slavery was tantamount to POW's

The Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentrics version was demonic and sadistic.

In a way, a huge responsibility has been bestowed upon us.

What is that huge responsibility did i hear you ask?

The responsibility of connecting the dots of our history as well as those of our beloved diaspora.

In the words of Dr Henrik Clarke and i quote:

Every single thing that touches our life, religious, socially and politically, must be an instrument of our liberation or we must throw it into the ashcan of history.

Fulaman198:
We don't know this

Investigative journalism.

At this point, no concept is out of bound.

Present your theories and its the responsibility of the collective to make sense out of them.

Its important to note that our history hasnt gone anywhere, most of which is probably staring at us in plain sight.

We must take of the goggles of Eurocentrism and Arabanisation and put in the work my brothers and sisters.

For instance, there's no doubt in my mind that Nigerians as well as other West Africans helped found Ancient Egypt, The Americas, The Carribean, Europe and Asia.

There's a good starting point for us all to explore.

Theres a huge amount of effort aimed at tracing our heritage from places outside of our continent.

Perhaps once we take hold of thes type of research and flip them we might be making a good start.

Firstly, Africa exist in ethnicities and not tribes.

Secondly, i suppose we are asking the wrong question.

As in, the real question is which nations that spawned from Nigeria can we succesfully trace.?

Furthermore, it is common knowledge to the outside world that all humans originate from Africa.

Therefore, lets concentrate our focus on what nations outside of Nigeria can we definatively trace back to our domain.

For me, Oduduwa was a Yoruba emmisary from Yorubaland that rose to prominance and became Emperor.

One may argue about how he achieved that and what the significance of that is, however to contract the Emperor's glorious existence to a foreign and hostile land is not only unwitty but outright counterproductive.

Assuming we havent learnt anything in world history, its that theres a systematic attempt to exclude Africa from the global narrative therefore it is in our utmost interest to approach our history from a selfish and fulfiling point of view.

Attempting to claim that us the Africansic that everyone else in the world attempt to downplay the monumental role our ancestors has on all humanity, is somehow connected to a land that was void of human activity whilst the phenoms was roaming the Earth organising and inventing the very things that makes our world tick, is somewhat outrageous.

MetaPhysical:
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Ela, Ila and Allah are same!....

New information says that Allah is infact a Sumerian god - Alla

Yes, Ila and Allah are the same but both these terms originate from Mesopotamia and not even Arabia.

The notion that Allah is a supreme God has been found to be questionable.

The scholarship shows that infact he has brothers, companions and even a father!?


The epic of Atrahasis WB-62

Scholars that translated the cuneiform include:

ℹDr Thorkild Peter Rudolph Jacobsen PhD

ℹBen Alster (Death in Mesopotamia Volume 8 - this book is currently sold out on Amazon - $500)

ℹDr Stephanie Dally PhD

MetaPhysical:
You are welcome. It is by far deeper than what I shared. Each paragraph there is a branch in itself that can bring further revelations but I wanted to be brief and close to surface as possible.

That which is in heaven is "orunmila"
That which is earthly is "odumila".
That which sorrounds is "Efe"
That which is beneath is "Ogun"

....Ela l'oro!
Ela, Ila and Allah are same!


Nobody mines a resource underneath without first consulting Ogun.

While odumila is resourceful, Efe is nurturing, and orunmila sustains.

Wisdom of the ancients my brother!

Interesting, highly educative and on point.

In other words the notion that Yoruba are a tribe, simply amounts to fiction.

Youruba are an ethnicity.

Sewgon79:
A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe...

You're way off the mark.

An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other, usually on the basis similarities such as common language, ancestry, history, society, culture, nation or social treatment within their residing area.

Ethnicity is often used synonymously with the term nation, particularly in cases of ethnic nationalism.

In contrast to the recent concept of "tribe", commentary on ethnicity goes way back to periods 'Before the Common Era'.

Ethnography begins in classical antiquity; after early authors like Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus, Herodotus in c. 480 BCE laid the foundation of both historiography and ethnography of the olden days world.

 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_group

Sewgon79:
A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe. Out of Yoruba you have, Ekiti, Ìjẹ̀sà, awori, ègún, ijebu, yewa, Ẹ̀gbá, Ondo, ọwọ, etc

The term tribe is used in many different contexts to refer to a category of human social group. The predominant usage of the term is in the discipline of anthropology. The definition is contested, in part due to conflicting theoretical understandings of social and kinship structures, and also reflecting the problematic application of this concept to extremely diverse human societies. The concept is often contrasted by anthropologists with other social and kinship groups, being hierarchically larger than a lineage or clan, but smaller than a chiefdom, nation or state. These terms are equally disputed. In some cases tribes have legal recognition and some degree of political autonomy from national or federal government, but this legalistic usage of the term may conflict with anthropological definitions.


The word tribe first occurred in English in 12th-century Middle English-literature, in reference to the twelve tribes of Israel. The Middle English word is derived from Old French tribu and, in turn, from Latin tribus (plural tribūs), in reference to a supposed tripartite division of the original Roman state.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe

Sewgon79:
A tribe is group of people, ethnics with common interest, language, culture and traditions. So that make Yoruba a tribe. Out of Yoruba you have, Ekiti, Ìjẹ̀sà, awori, ègún, ijebu, yewa, Ẹ̀gbá, Ondo, ọwọ, etc

The term tribe is a Eurocentric concept; perhaps an adaptation of the term 'Ethnicity'

Yoruba is an Ethnicity and not a tribe.

donnie:
This is the type of person who's steps I will like to follow, not someone trying to reduce The Most High to a mere concept or idea. May YAH have mercy on you for such foolish pride.

The Almighty God exist regardless of human perception.

Look around us in the world of today, and realise how broken the world has become.

I have proven that Christianity and Islam are soley responsible for the situation that are great continent is in as of present.

These facts are indisputable.

Given these truths, the African divine principle (The African Gods) are the only entities that possess the divine right and authority to fix our world.

Whether you want to admit that or not, that is the absolute truth.

donnie:
This is the type of person who's steps I will like to follow, not someone trying to reduce The Most High to a mere concept or idea. May YAH have mercy on you for such foolish pride.

I have proven that the Christian Bible is fake and as such nothing written inside of its pages cannot be trusted; all the other stuff is mere semantics.

Does the Christian Bible lie, yes or no?


Are there contradictions in the Christisn Bible, yes or no?

Are there errors inside of the Christian Bible, yes or no?


Was the Christian Bible used to enslave millions upon millions of people worldwide, yes or no?

If there is a yes answer to any of the above questions, then the only place for such type of books is the dustbin.

donnie:
I hope you know Chanok (Enoch) lived thousands of years before there was anything like Kamata (Egypt). The name Chanok is from my Mum's village. It means Goodness, and that's the same meaning in modern Hebrew language. One of the greatest men to ever walk this earth.

You are better off holding onto to Chanok, because i can assure you that Enoch is a fictitious character that never existed.

You claim Chanok is Enoch?

Show us where in the Christian Bible that it says that, what chapter and what verse?

Everything written inside of the Christian Bible is fake, and is arranged in such a way that it is complety and utterly counterintuitive.

donnie:
.....pick up the gods of wood and stone right?

Point to one instance whereby i wrote of or refered to serving gods.

That is the problem, you are so caught up in trying to justify the Christian Bible that you've thrown away all logic and common sense.

donnie:
So for you, the whole idea is to Praise the greatness of ancestors, throw away the Most High and His commandments...

The Almighty God exist no doubt, however, IT can never be the evil entity that is written about in the Christian Bible.

The fake god of the Christian Bible is a bigot, discriminatory, a liar and a mass murderer.

The god of the Christian Bible is solely responsible for 99% of all the attrocities written about inside of that fake, false and counterintuitive book.

Wapizy:
....

Emotions running wild doesnt prove anything, other than ignorance of the highest order.

Lets not derail this educative thread, i challenge you to follow the link below and lets continue the discussion:

https://www.nairaland.com/5685899/what-true-image-jesus