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Olu317:
...This doesn't mean, I am against Yoruba if their origin begun in Africa but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave) and eventual arrival later in present day .

Very well then, stick to these understanding.

As in

Olu317:
.but I have found out they once lived outside Africa, and they move to and fro to Egypt (,North African enclave)..

Pitch your investigations on the basis of the above understanding.

As there's historical data that corroborates a to and fro movement as well.

Dont waste time arguing with me, get to work.

Its important to note that Yoruba is indigenous to Nigeria, Africa.

Olu317:
You see, the propaganda of 500BC of existence of Yoruba at Ileife..

Learn to think, write and speak well of our people in all of our activities.

History is the most important aspects of legacy.

Know thyself, respect our ancestors.

Btw when refering to history we MUST move in unity, when determining our history its important to put ourselves in the correct context, the people of Nigeria, West Africa have been in existence for almost one million years, theres historical evidence dating back to 100,000 - 500,000 years ago.

Olu317:
...the ifaodu begun the knowledge of one formless God who dwell in Ora;...


.. English language is of Germanic origin and of Mediterranean,Roman-latin,etc loaned words

Thank you very much for your investigations, kindly dont allow our criticism hault your efforts, peace and power, bless up!


I will keep saying that"

Much of your evidence is good and accurate, however your argument needs to be from the perspective of the African.


As in, noone is trying to prove superiority over othet people but to ascertain certain aspecst of history for all that its worth.

Was our language one of those used to invent this hybrid language outside of our concent?

We've heard these commentary by other reputable historians, they claim that the Hebrew language was invented out of a combination of various African languages.

When i read it the firsr time, the evidence was scanty, my initia thoughts was that to suggest that Yoruba appears in a Semiticsic language is simply , reaching.

It wasnt until our exchange and the evidence you present that i gain some interest.

Plus, there's new information that seemingly puts the Yoruba in the Nile Valley.

I want you to approach this from a secular historical perspective, dont attempt to use your evidence to justify any foreign extremist religion.

You job is to identify the interpollation of the Hebrew language as it refers to Yoruba and not to attempt at proving who are Hebrew.


The few things to consider are

L) Yoruba isnt the only language that exist with the Hebrew language.

M) Hebrew language is of no importance to the African.

As in, in this context, make certain to show in your write up the fact that Yoruba is the dominant language in your presentation.

N) The seeming interpolation must've occurred in the 1800's and onwards.

Dupamecano:
Your thread speaks of african civilizations...

Precisely, the topic of the link is self explanatory; African origin of civilisation.

Hence, it details major inventions from within our continent and one could as well learn aspects of African history pre-distruption.


https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Dupamecano:
... Humans dont need religion to fight each other.

All the major wars ever fought on continental soil was based on an ideological agenda that all led back to one foreign extremist ideology or the other. i.e Christianity, Islam

Prior to the arrival of these foreign extremist ideologies, there was never such ideological conflict ever.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and focus our concentration on reality.

Dupamecano:
According to what study?...

There have been numerous studies, Cheikh Anta Diop, Jose Melgar, Clyde Winters and many reputable historians allude to these same understandings.

Perhaps the reason many of us dont know enough history is due to some foreign extremist religions peddling their false and counterproductive narrative.

Furthermore, these are the reasons we ought to bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and focus our concentration on reality.

Dupamecano:
Now if africans werent fighting each other, what were they doing...

They was busy inventing stuff, laying down the foundation for better and brighter days ahead.

Dupamecano:
LOL You keep saying to go and study history without listing a single source.

The Ancient Black Civilisations of Asia by Clyde Winters.

Follow the link bellow for more information.


https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

Dupamecano:
I am a hausa man. Thats all I need to know. Everything else is secondary.

I appreciate that.

My point is that we have to work to make Africa great again.

And it starts from knowing ourselves.

According to history, the Hausa people predate the current stock of Arabs.

Dupamecano:
...was it not africans who killed and maimed eachother for various reasons?.

No, it was not, it was the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers that are guilty of doing those violent things.

You simply need to go and study history.

Africans was busy building a better and more productive livelihood for ourselves and the rest of the world.

Dupamecano:
Is my claim to being african solely reliant of playing the victim or blaming others for my misfortune?

You can choose to answer the question instead of generating a new one.

Are you African?

Dupamecano:
Was it not africans who sold their kin into slavery and kept them as slaves?
.

The notion that Africans sold other Africans into slavery is the biggest lie in all of human history.

All those people that these fake historians intentionally confuse for the African were the Arabian fundamentalist and Arab wannabes.

All the blame of slavery lies at the feet of the Arabian fundamentalist and Eurocentric warmongers.

Dupamecano:
.....

Are you an African?

Furthermore, you seem to be intentionally missing the point.

Amujale:
Because that was the number one reason that the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers gave for invasion in the first instance.

Now you begin to sound as an agent of chaos.

The Arabs started a slavetrade that was centred around North Africa and when they was confronted by other Africans, they lied and said that they was simply trying to secure their silk trade routes.

Listen, we know exactly what happened.

All those Arabian fundamentalist warmongers that began ideological wars on the continent, did so at an alarming rate and are the reason for the way our country is today.

Dupamecano:
So because i'm african i must blame everyone else..

I asked you a simple question.

Since you keep refering to they, who are you?

Are you African, yes or no?

No, Africans need to blame the people who are responsible for past and present attrocities.

The current stock of Arabs from Arabia, are guilty of henious attricities in the past and in present times.

And it is counterintuitive for any African to follow these malicious and unAfrican way of life.

Dupamecano:
....Their truculent nature resulted from the need for slave labor or to wrestle control of trade routes...

You are a liar and a faker.

Because that was the number one reason that the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers gave for invasion in the first instance.

Now you begin to sound as an agent of chaos.

The Arabs started a slavetrade that was centred around North Africa and when they was confronted by other Africans, they lied and said that they was simply trying to secure their silk trade routes.

Listen, we know exactly what happened.

All those Arabian fundamentalist warmongers that began ideological wars on the continent, did so at an alarming rate and are the reason for the way our country is today.

Dupamecano:
Kano was established by Bagauda in 999 CE. There is a written history of every single King of kano since its foundation and almost all of them engaged in one war or other. Whether its within the sub kingdoms of Kano or other states. Just for reference, I will give you proof of instability within the reigns of the most prominent early kings of Kano, a trend which continued until the british invasion in the 20th century.

Bagauda 999-1063
"Then came Bagoda with his host, and was the first Sarki of this land....

You have simply proven my point, the fact that Arabian fundamentalist warmongers are the reason for these fake and malicious ideologies in those regions


Did any if these conflicts occur outside of the arrival of Islam?

I repeat my initial point, the people living in these regions only began to have ideological conflicts after the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers.

When did Islam arrive in Africa?

Stop trying to deviate away from the facts.

Amujale:
Provide one piece of genuine evidence whereby Africans was waging ideological wars against others before the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist.

According to history, the Arabian fundamentalist warmongers are the ones who starting these evil, malicious and distrupting conflicts on the continent.

Dupamecano:
Unless you can find concrete evidence of the existence or mention of hausa or fulani people before the 7th century..

I think you may need to go and ask the olden days Arabian fundamentalist who took it upon themselves to launch their crazy Jihad campaigns that caused them to burn down libraries, institutions of higher learnings, books and literature.

Jihad has many facets, one of which is to attack literature, records, books; spread of propaganda e.t.c

Nevertheless, we have concrete proof that their languages are ancient.

Dupamecano:
You say hausas and fulanis predate arabia, but arabs too predate arabia.

The Hausas and Fulani people predate Arabia.

The current stock of Arabs do NOT predate Arabia.

Arabia is named after the current stock of Arabs. FACT.

As in, the current stock of Arabs begin there journey at the end of the BCE; at the start of the first century CE.

West African history dates 300,000 - 500,000 BCE

Dupamecano:
Why does every african feel he needs to go about blaming foreigners...

Arent you an African?

Go and study real history and you will know that the Arabian fundamentalist are the first to invade and attempt to disrupt our continent.

Dupamecano:
LMAO! Arab wannabe?

So tell us who you are.

Since you claim you arent an Arab wannabe, who are you?

Dupamecano:
What kind of clown are you? LOL. What exactly do you want to know? What is the question here? Africans have been killing themselves for a long time, arabs had nothing to do with it.

You are a liar.

Provide one piece of genuine evidence whereby Africans was waging ideological wars against others before the arrival of the Arabian fundamentalist.

According to history, the Arabian fubdamebtalist are the ones who starting these evil, malicious and distrupting conflicts on the continent.

The year is 2020 and we are arguing away at the history that has already been determined, rather than making use of such history to further our betterment.

I dont want to hear my Empire was more powerful than yours, you was to blame, no, they was to blame. Stop it!

Lets use our knowledge of history to bring about change.

For instance, lets force the hand of these same potoki to open a partnership with them on our terms and in their economy.

Set up a commercial trade, exports and imports using the leverage that we possess.

ℹBenin was a Yoruba Empire (this isnt mere semantics).

As in, the Benin Empire was ruled by a monarch that lends its linguistic and cultural legacy from the Yoruba. FACTS


ℹBenin was a Benin Empire.

As in, the Benin Empire was a large commercial organisation owned and controlled by the people of Benin. FACTS


Both these statements are correct.

Yet, we have to recognise the fact that there was foreign distruption.

In oder to ascertain the facts, one would need to understand the interpolation of the Potoki.

Theres no need to argue over these type of minor matters, the most logical explanation is expressed in Yoruba secular history, take it or leave it.

Considering the reports, this is a very fair disposition by the hands of our parents.

Our parents are genius, know thyself, respect our ancestors.

I started off my intervention along the lines that the Fulani people arent the problem, and they arent, its the malicious ideology that they subscribe to that is problematic.

Let me carry on along the same lane,
it's pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extreemist ideologies and focus our concentration on reality, real history.

Once we are able to realise that we the people of Nigeria have always been brothers and sisters for as long as anyone can remember, and that these foreign religions were made up to brainwash people and insert unatural control, then we will learn to come together in peace and harmony to build a better and brighter future for ourselves and our continent.

Dupamecano:
Whatever you are, yoruba, igbo, I really don't care. But please, leave my people...

I'm Yoruba, Nigerian.


Your people?

Now you've completely lost it.


You are a puppet to slave masters, that want to continue to enslave innocent African people with an foreign, fake and malicious ideology.

You are a wannabe Arab.

You arent a productive African.

Stop lieing, didnt anyone tell you that lieing is bad.

I'm a patriotic Nigerian, that seeks to liberate the minds of our people towards a common and productive purpose.


See the difference?


The main thrust of my intervention is that all the Abrahamic religions are fake and malicious and are the main causes for countless past and present attrocities on the continent.


And let me repeat again, maybe you will be able to fathom the fact that Fulani and Hausa people predate Arabia and that they have been in existent in these areas living amongst themselves and their neighbours in relative peace prior to foreign distruption.

Dupamecano:
... keeps mentioning how african people lived in peace until foreign interruption..

Because those are the facts.

Unless you can provide me with one genuine piece of evidence that contradicts this then you MUST accept that to be true.

These are what the evidence proves.

Dupamecano:
LOL I have come to understand that you're not a troll and you're not misinformed. You are just a refined idiot. Borno has been muslim since the 11th century, arabs had nothing to do with it. Kano has been entirely muslim since the 14th century, arabs had nothing to do with it. Katsina and most hausa states since the 15th century, arabs had nothing to do with it....

You are the troll.

Why?

Because you are spouting out nonsensical rhetoric that is utterly meaningless and senseless in a failed attempt to move away from the real questions.

Within all those epistles of rhetoric, you havent answered or allude to the questions posed.

You are a liar and a faker that cannot refute the facts and instead you hopping around as a grasshopper.

Are you going to stop lieing.

Answer the questions.


What does the above content mean?

Firstly, that wasnt the question asked.

Secondly, what is the relevance of the above content, i hope you arent trying to make it sound asthough they was muslims from the get go? Because everyone knows that is false.

As i said earlier, before the arrival of these Arabian fundamentalist, there was nothing such as Islam in these regions of the world.

Furthermore, answer my questions.

Follow the link to learn more on history:

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

OgboAto:
the creation of Aramaic, Akkadian, Phoenician, Aramaic & Hebrew since they are all similar?

All those are unrelated languages.

Akkadian is Sumerian.

Phoenician is mediterranian

Aramaic is possibly Asiatic or from the region of the Levant

Whilst Hebrew is a fabricated language similar to Arabic.

We know the history of all these languages, most of them are foreign, fake and unAfrican

The Fulani, Hausa and all the people of Nigeria have been existing in our region living amongst one another for thousands upon thousands of years prior to the arrival of any foreign disruption.

Dupamecano:
Arabs speak arabic which is a semitic language classified under afro asiatic languages.

Whatever, you still havent explained the connection of the Arabs with the Fulani and Hausa people.

Did the Arabian fundamentalist invade innocent people during the 18th century?

Where does the Arabic language come from?

Why was it manufactured?

How did Islam arrive in our region?

In order for us to determine the truth about our history, we simply need to realise that the Fulani and Hausa people have history prior to the arrival of these foreign extremist ideologies

Was there people speaking the hausa language before the 18th century?

That is the real question.

Since we know that the answer is yes, then we MUST begin to does our research, study and learn history.

Its pretty simple, we MUST bin all these foreign extremist religions and focus our concentration on African history.

Dupamecano:
LMAO. Kid, like i said, bring me any study that supports the occupation of hausa land by hausa people earlier.

Are you an Arab?

Learn to read well, you cannot misconscrue what is being said here.

Calm yourself down and stop lieing about our history.