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Very good answer @An2elect2.
Islam is indeed weak. They use Apostacy law to protect it. The day the Apostacy law is removed and everybody is allowed to go in and come out at will, Islam will crash forever.

May I be found missing.

A friend  had a chat with a Muslim cleric in charge of answering questions online about whether Allah loves pigs and if not why he created them.  He sent it to me and I thought it is quite funny.I hope you will enjoy it too.

Please wait for a site adviser to respond.

You are now chatting with ‘Tariq’

Tariq: Hello. Welcome to our live chat.

Tariq: How can I assist you today?

you: Hi my name is Mark Dukic.

Tariq: Nice to meet you

you: Nice to meet you Tariq

Tariq: Are you a born Muslim, a convert, or a non-Muslim?

you: oh I am a non Muslim…currently atheist

you: but I am interested in Islam…

Tariq: Is there a specific question I can help you with?

you: ok, to be a good Muslim, I must refer to Quran and hadith or only the Quran?

Tariq: both

Tariq: They are insuperable and indispensable for a Muslim.

you: ok got it…I need to refer both. How easy to convert to Islam? Because I fear Arab language is so hard to understand.

Tariq: It’s very simple actually. All that a person has to do is to say a sentence called the testimony of faith (shahadah).

you: oh really?

Tariq: there are so many things you can learn without learning Arabic

Tariq: So it can be delayed for the time being.

Tariq: If you wish, I can help you convert. It is easy and we can do it now within few minutes!

you: ok another question. If I am bored of Islam and want to leave it, will it be hard?

Tariq: Theoretically yes, but this can’t happen.

Tariq: Islam is a perfect choice.

you: So I am allowed to leave Islam if don’t I believe in it anymore?

you: Is Allah truly the creator of everything in this world and universe? Are there any other gods?

Tariq: No perfect faith form God allows its followers to leave so long as it’s really the ultimate solution for humankind.

Tariq: It would simply mean the faith believes there may be better options

you: ok I understand…

Tariq: but you must not worry about being bored at all.

you: So sir, Is Allah the creator of the world and universe?

Tariq: yes

you: Is Allah a loving god?

Tariq: Yes, but not unconditionally loving

Tariq: he loves and hates

you: Allah hates?

Tariq: He hates sinners and loves them if they become good

you: oh ok. But Allah does all Allah’s creation right?

Tariq: yes, Allah is God.

Tariq: he tells about Allah his attributes

you: So summary Allah is a loving god…right?

Tariq: yes, of course

Tariq: He is loving a and merciful

you: So does Allah loves pig?

Tariq: he does not say he loves it [or] hates it. It’s there to test us. He created it and told us not to eat it.

Tariq: The difference between believer in God and non- believer is that a believer expects God to be good, merciful and loving even when he is tested, it’s true there is Hellfire, Punishments and afflictions but he sees these as deterrents and functional  evil.

you: So Allah really loves pig right? I mean Allah forbid mankind to eat pig because Allah really loves pig right?

Tariq: No, I don’t see any logic in this.

Tariq: Why would he love it?

you: why not? allah is the creator of everything and allah is a loving god, and what’s wrong with Allah loving pigs?

Tariq: It’s a filthy animal.

you: but created by Allah right?

Tariq: I said that God is not so sweepingly loving, He has many attributes all of which make the concept of God.

Tariq: You can see him as loving only.

you: but loving is one of Allah’s attributes right? So Allah loves pig…right?

Tariq: Again, I won’t be made to say what he does not say.

Tariq: The answer is, I don’t know.

you: You don’t know? But all this while I thought Allah is a loving and just god. So Allah must have loved pigs…right?

Tariq: If you though so you are wrong.

you: What’s wrong with Allah loving pigs?

Tariq: I don’t wish to go into this anymore please

you: then I have to conclude that Allah really loves pigs and that’s why Allah forbid mankind from eating it.

Tariq: Am stepping away for prayer. Will be right back

you: Sure no problem mate

Tariq: Am back

you: so you agree with my conclusion? Allah is truly a loving god?

Tariq: God has many attributes, love is one.

you: And Allah loves pig….right?

Tariq: May I ask you a question?

you: sure mate…

Tariq: why do you love pigs so much?

you: because Allah loves pig…so what’s wrong with me loving pig?

Tariq: if you love them do it on your own.

Tariq: You’re overdoing it.

you: Wait? Allah the loving god does not love pigs? Why not?

Tariq: He does not love filth, or people who love filth.

you: but Allah created pigs. You mean He is not a loving god?

Tariq: How about goats and Guinea pigs?

you: Yeah, Why not Allah loves goats right? Allah loves dinosaurs too right?

Tariq: platypuses?

you: why not!…ha ha…

Tariq: ha ha?

you: so Allah loves all animals, right?

Tariq: Making fun of God?

you: Me making fun of all mighty God? Come on mate. I don’t have that power….

Tariq: You will pay for this, mate, when you meet him, mate.

you: Pay? Pay what? Allah does not have a sense of humor?

Tariq: You are doing this very powerfully. You are committing the worst kind of disbelief

you: I thought Allah is a loving god, yet he is slighted by my comment?

Tariq: Pigs won’t go to hell, you may.

you: Worst kind of disbelief? You mean Allah will toss me in hell for saying Allah is a loving god?

Tariq: Let’s call it a day

Do you think the Jews would have kept that fact secet for some american to discover a manuscript? Jesus was a public figure who went abt proclaiming to be the son of God, thereby making himself equal with God, for which he was killed. Do u think the jews, his enemies will hide that fact abt him? Let's forget the christians right now, do u think his enemies who even raised false witnesses just to get him killed, will keep that away from the world? Don't u reason?

Thank you my brother. You have spoken my mind. Wen we go for evangelism, they act as though they r doing us a favour by listening or following us to church.
Its just that we must obey christ's command to go. But there's a day that they will remember all the days that the word of God came their way but they rejected it. They will remember.

Melin, you are being very childish, seriously what do u think swearing will prove? If I were not a Christian who shd not swear for what ever reason, I would ve sworn and nothing will happen.
By the way what happened to being satanist? Have u convert to enkism? Or is enki another name for Lucifer? LWKMD.

Ask yasef this, Judaism and Islam which one came first? If Judaism says Abraham sacrificed Isaac. But Muhammed says its Ismail. Somebody is lying. Let's see who.
According to Biblical history (which by the way islam lacks) there are 14 generations from Abraham to David, from David to wen the jews went to captivity in Babylon, 14generations, from then to wen Christ was born 14yrs. Let's put them all together, we have 42generations. Now from wen Christ died, resurreted and ascended to heaven to wen Muhammed of Arabia was born was 600yrs.
Now, note that a generation is one hundred years. Let's calculate. 100x42+600? 42600yrs. A man from Yemen gets up to tell you something else, who will u believe? I don't need to be a christian to believe this.
There's counterfeit because there's original first.
Huhammed was everything that is known of satan.
He is liar
A thief.
A murderer
A child fucker.
A rapist.
A pervert who peeped and saw his Son's wife's unclothedness, went on to snatched her from his son.
He had sex with his househelp and was caught pants down.
And probably had sex with fatima his favorite daughter
A slave trader.
A sex addict.
I can go on. The very things the God he claims he is a prophet to forbits, were the things that were his hobbies. Shd you believe this man, you will believe that Satan is Yahwey.
AND, if this claim is anything to go by, he will be affirming that he is a liar and the koran is false. He says Abraham was a muslim who build the Kaa'ba, while the koran says Muhammed piss be be upon him was the first muslim. What shd we believe?

The guy ahead of me, pls can u elaborate more on why you say they are bad christians?

A Muslim asked me regarding the Trinity.  The concept of trinity is one that Muslims can’t get their heads around. It is not because it is difficult to understand but because Muhammad could not understand it. If Muslims understand it, then it becomes evident that they are smarter than their prophet, which proves he was not a prophet of God. Since for them such an idea is inconceivable, they will do everything in their power to not understand.  Knowing Muslims I also am sure they will stop reading further as soon as things start making sense and “click.” Because if it clicks they will have no option but to agree that Muhammad was a liar.  Few Muslims will read this article to the end and if they do they will do their best not to understand it.

Muhammad’s inability to comprehend the concept of Trinity is evident in the Quran.

“People of the Book, … Do not say that there are three gods. It is better for you to stop believing in the Trinity. There is only One God.” (Q. 4: 171)

He also made up a conversation between God and Jesus where God Asks Jesus whether he has claimed to be God.

“When God asked Jesus, son of Mary “Did you tell men to consider you and your mother as their gods besides m he replied, “Glory be to you!” How could I say what I have no right to say? Had I ever said it, You would have certainly known about it.” (Q. 5:116)

Any rational person will agree that such conversation that would show God’s ignorance of what Jesus was doing and saying behind his back is not likely. Can possibly God be the author of the above verse?  shouldn’t Muslims have at this this much integrity to agree that this verse is not a revelation from God?  Even Muhammad seems to have been aware of the absurdity of his hair brained story.  Why would he then make it up and attribute it to God making the Almighty look like a nuts?  He repeats his ignorance of the Trinity again:

“Those people who say that God is the third of three are defying [the truth]: there is only One God. If they persist in what they are saying, a painful punishment will afflict those of them who persist. Why do they not turn to God and ask his forgiveness, when God is most forgiving, most merciful? The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a messenger; other messengers had come and gone before him; his mother was a virtuous woman; both ate food. See how clear We make these signs for them; see how deluded they are.” (Q. 5:72-75)

Apparently Muhammad was quite impressed by himself.  In this brief article I am going to make things clear for Muslims to show that the one who was deluded was Muhammad. This article is not to prove the Trinity, but to explain the concept of it and show that it is not absurd and contrary to science and reason.

Before explaining the concept of Trinity let me dispel the mystery behind this word. The truth is that everyone is a trinity.  Is it not true that each person consists of a mind, a body and a soul?   So are you one or three?  Your soul, your mind and your body are different dimensions of you.  The three is one.  Does your trinity challenge your oneness?  Another example is space. The width, the height and the depth of space do not contradict its integrity and oneness.

We can understand complex ideas with simple examples.  Sun shines on all things.  Things become visible when they reflect the light of the sun.  All objects absorb some of the light and reflect some. Depending what frequencies they absorb, we see them colorful.  There is one object that reflects light in its entirety. That object is the mirror.  If you hold a mirror in front of the sun you can see the sun inside the mirror.  You can point at the mirror and say that is the sun, and you would be right. You are not talking about the mirror which is made of glass.  You are talking of the reflection of the sun in it.  This does not mean that the sun is divided in two or has descended physically to enter the mirror.  The sun remains intact, while at the same time it can be viewed in the mirror.

Now compare God to the sun and the immaculate soul of Jesus to the mirror. If God is present in the soul of every human, can’t He appear in all His glory in the soul of a sinless man such as Jesus?

We all carry the spirit of God in us. Our soul is the breath of God. Where there is life there is consciousness and all consciousness is from God.  There is a piece of God in every living being. All life forms are divine.  Since God’s consciousness is present in every creature, to the extent of the perfection of that creature, is it not possible that a perfect man could reflect God’s consciousness more faithfully than others?

When we say Jesus was God, we are not talking about his physical body. We know that he ate and drank like everyone else. So his body was made of the same molecules and atoms that make any other person.  We also know that the molecules composing a human body are recycled constantly.  Old cells die and new ones are born every day. In seven years, not a single atom in your body will remain the same. So clearly we are not talking about the physical body of Jesus.  (Unfortunately many Christians make this mistake, which Muslims take advantage of.) We are talking of his soul, which became the mirror, upon which the spirit of God shined.  This example although easy to understand has its flaws, because Jesus was not a reflection of God, He was God walking on earth without God descending from his throne or setting foot on earth.  When you copy a file on your hard drive, the copy is the same as the original.

“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
“He who has seen Me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9)
“He who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me.” (John 12:45)
What is the Holy Spirit?  In the above example we compared God to sun and Jesus to a mirror.  The Holy Spirit can be compared to the rays of the sun that reflect on the mirror. The Holy Spirit made God reflect on Jesus.

Now let us move to science and reason.  An object made of matter cannot be divided and maintain its integrity at the same time. If you divide an apple in two, it is no longer one. Objects that are smaller than atom are not subject to this law. Particles are subject to a different set of laws called quantum physics. A Particle can be split in two and still be one. And it can be in the past and the present at once. Particles are not affected by space and time. Space and time are properties of matter and are essentially the same.   This means that if you are a particle, you are timeless and all over places, popping in and out of now and here. This is observable.  Einstein showed that matter gives birth to time and space. Where there is no matter, there is no space-time.

If consciousness is structured information in the form of energy independent from body, which I believe to be the case, as I have shown here and here, it also can’t be subject to the time-space quantum. If the behavior of particles are any clue as to how a timeless and space less world works, then we should assume that our consciousness will be ubiquitous as well as eternal, just like electrons and photons.  If particles can be in multiple places, why can’t consciousness?  Although it is hard to imagine, it can be understood logically that where there is no time and space, past and future are the same, and here is just as near as the edge of the universe.  This means our consciousness can be in two places at the same time, much like the way our thoughts can be in two places at the same time. If this is possible for us, why it should not be so for God?

Another example is information.  A teacher can share his knowledge with his students and while the students experience an increase in their knowledge the teacher does not lose any of his.  You can’t do that with physical objects. If you give some of your money to another person, in the same proportion that he is enriched you are impoverished.

The essence of God is consciousness.  God is not subject to time and space. Once we leave this physical body we also won’t be subject to them. Future and past are present and present is eternity. It is all the same.  Here and there will have no meaning. As a spirit you can be in two different places at once. In fact it is not unlikely that you may be in another body at this very moment, living an entirely different life. You may be of different gender, of different age and belong to different race, or even live in a different planet in another galaxy.  You may even see yourself in the street and not recognize yourself. Past and future reincarnations are also meaningless.  In the spiritual world, there is no past and future. Everything is happening now. This is the weirdness of a world not bound by space-time quantum. We know this through our knowledge of quantum mechanics. Consciousness is also a form of energy that is not subject to the space-time.

If the above is within the realm of possibilities for us, how can God not be able to be in different places at once? How can He be subject to time and space when He is the one who has made them?

The world that you see is a mirage. It is not real. The foundation of this visible world is the sub atomic world.  Particles form the matter, and matter gives birth to space and time. God is not made of matter. He is pure consciousness. He can deposit His essence in His creatures without losing any of His own.  God is in all of us and yet, He is not diminished.  Consciousness, like knowledge, can be shared and given away without being reduced.  Therefore, if God is said to be in Jesus, the oneness of God is not affected.  He is not split in two nor is diminished. God is one and at the same time He can be three, and even millions. In fact God is infinite. Every life form is a manifestation of God.  If you see the sun reflected in millions of mirrors, it does not mean the sun is divided in pieces.  This should also make clear the concept of multitudes of deities in Hinduism. Despite believing in two million gods, Hindus are monotheists. But Muslims will never understand this mystery, even when it is so simple.

Consciousness is another term for spirit.  All living beings are conscious because they have the spirit of God in them.  The difference between Jesus and us is only in degrees. We can say he was like a mirror, reflecting God’s consciousness in its full glory, while we are like other objects reflecting Him partially.

With this explanation, it is clear that Muhammad did not know the nature of God. Had he known that God is consciousness he would not have had any difficulty understanding the concept of Trinity.  If God were a person made of matter like us, then Muhammad would have been right. This proves he had no spiritual insight.  Despite being a superbly cunning man, spiritually he was a dunce. Muslims who bring up the argument of Trinity to beat up Christians are just showing their own spiritual ignorance.

Not only Muhammad did not understand the concept of Trinity, he was also confused about the doctrine itself. He thought the three persons representing the Trinity are Jesus, Mary and God. That is because his knowledge of the Bible was second hand. Being an illiterate man he had not read the Bible himself.

The above is my understanding of the Trinity. I am not speaking on behalf of Christians. I know many Christians are also confused about the Trinity and they believe in it as a dogma. I am a rationalist not a dogmatic. I rejected God for lack of reason and now I believe in God through reason. Therefore my views of God may differ from those who have blind faith.

 

More evidence from the weird world of quantum  entanglement

Another peculiarity of a world that is not subject to space and time can be seen in quantum entanglement.  One particle can split and the two parts can become intertwined so that they always share the same properties, even if they’re separated by billions of light years. If you then affect a change of status in one of them, its counterpart will be affected instantly even if it is on the other side of the universe. This is what Einstein called the spooky action at a distance.

Since our notion of reality is based on space and time it is difficult for us to make sense of it.  However, quantum entanglement opens a new door to the understanding of the subatomic world.  This so called spooky action is not the property of particles; it is rather a characteristic of the timeless and spaceless world.

Particles are energy. Thoughts and consciousness are also energy. Since they are not subject to space and time, they must behave similarly. Therefore, it is not irrational to say that consciousness/spirit can split in two, like particles, and remain entangled. One part can come to Earth as Jesus and the other part remain in the immaterial world as God. They are not half of each other. Each part is whole and undivided and both are one.

We have no way of understanding the spiritual world, but quantum physics is a window into a different world that does not follow the Newtonian laws of physics. This allows us to think differently, unrestrained by the constraints of the atomic wold of matter. And when we do that, we don’t have to base our belief in God on faith but on reason and science. Quantum physics is the science of the immaterial and spiritual world.  he world we learn about quantum physics the more we know about our spiritual reality.
By Dr Ali Sina.

Hmmmm, they are the best christians oo. All of us are Apostates.
False prophets everywhere. Its so sad that people are still trooping in there.
The one I don't understand at all is Church of Jesus Christ of the Later Days Saints. What do they stand for? I don't know.
I have their Book,THe Mormons, I have tried to read it over and over, I can't make any head or tail from it. I can't connect it with the Bible.

Your Mum has knowledge and is a practicing Christian. Sallah is food sacrificed to Idols. If u eat it, you contravain the law of the Lord.
Acts 15:29. That you abstain from food offered to idols, and blood and strangled animals and from fornication: from which if ye keep your selves, you shall do well and fare well.
Over and over, we as Christians are admonished to keep away from such food. Do u know that before any ram is killed any way, one special ram gets kill in a special place in Mecca and words spoken over it? And do u know that there's a particular way of killing the ram. Listen Islam redates Muhammed. He didn't start Islam. His father worshipped allah, his grand father worshipped allah and they did what Muslims do today. Islam is a pagan religion and sallah is a pagan rite. Be adviced.

Some people are really stupid. Why won't you make use of ur brain? What's the difference between softcopy and hardcopy? The Bible is full of revelations, that's the Bible, not the form it takes.

No. The Yhwh in that book called buybull is not the original Yhwh the God of original Moses, Jesus and other original prophet. In a nutshell, the buybull is a book full of fake imaginary people and occurence.

Hope you understand clearly now?

Oya, address the OP )

Ok Bible is full of imaginary people? Really? Do you sit back to even think for a second? You Just quoted from the fake imaginary book. Ok wait, let me even ask you. Which part of the Bible is even corrupted and imaginary? Is it the Torah or the injil?
Which of the Yahweh's fake, which is original? The one in the Tora u just quoted from or the injil?
Its a very bad thing for someone to be devoid of shame. You quote from the same book to buttress your claims, and immidiately turn around to condemn the same book. Are u with ur senses? All the scriptures u quoted are they not from the original Bible?
The illiteracy of muhammed is passed onto you. You went to school, but because u don't want to appear better than Mu, you refuse to use ur brain. Answering you folk is Useless.

So @Rilwon, going by this ur Op, you agree that Yahweh and Allah are different deities right? Be sincerely now. because very soon now, I will see you in another thread shouting that allah and Yahwey are the same. And all Jews and their prophets were muslims
If u say they r not the same, then you have invariably called muhammed a liar, boc he won't be the last prophet amongst a list of Biblical characters mentioned by mu as prophets with Mu being the last.
That means, u also attest to the fact fact those Prophets and all the Jews were not once Muslims as Mu claimed. And Jesus being a Jew was not a Muslim and not a slave of allah.
Lairs have their part in the lake of fire. Repent now and be saved. You don't need to go to hell simply because Muhammed went there.

First off. Who was Davinci? Where did he get this his facts of Mary marrying christ?
Secondly, do u realise that marriage is ordained by God? (Man and woman) so if Jesus married mary, no quarms abt that. But if he did, do u think its an Italian who lived centuries after Christ had gone to heaven who will inform us abt it, not his fellow jews who looked for every reason to kill him?
Thirdly. Do you think with ur anus or brain? Wen u hear the word adultry, what comes to ur mind? Will a single lady(Mary) be caught in adultery? Does it not occur to u that the reason she was abt to be stoned was because she was married and yet went out with another man?
Did jesus kill her husband and then married her?
In the olden days, still applicable in Islam today, adultery is the sin of the married woman not of the man. So if mary was caught, that goes to show that she was married.
Davinci painted a picture, in his eutopia, he placed whoever he pleased where. Was he there in the last supper banquet, so as to assertain who sat where?
Do you think if Christ was homosexual, he will have the guts to call King herod a Fox? Do you know that wen u r living in sin, u find it difficult to condemn others?
Do you know why John the Baptist was beheaded by King herod? He condemned him of adultery with his brother's wife. Are you crazy or plane stupid to think that Jesus will be gay yet his Apostles will come out to write epistle comdenming homosexuality?
Read the old Testament and see what shd be done to such people. Do u think that Jesus was all these you said with ur mouth and the Jews, will not be shouting it out for the whole world to hear that Christians are decieved, just like we are shouting that muslims are decieved?
According to the Bible, anyone caught committing such a crime shd be stoned to dead, why was christ crucified instead of stoned? And why wasn't John stoned along with him?
Note: every idle word that proceeds out of the mouth of anyone,shall be accounted for.

What I expected these Muslims to ask their Imams whenever they incite them using Crusade is, 'But what caused the Crusade?" But no, satan has so seared their minds that they don't allow their God given brain to function well.
So adolf Hitler was going everywhere with a copy of the Bible and wenever he was abt to behead someone, he will read from it and give Praise to Jesus then kill his victim?
Mu ur pedophile, lying, stealing prophet did worst off, compared to what Isis are doing now.
Go and sit down if u don't ve what to say.

Pick another translation, apart the King James you are reading right now, let's see.
In the Bible, there are a number of different words for the abode(s) of the deceased. In the Hebrew Old Testament we find terms like "new earth," "Sheol," "Abaddon" and various words for "the pit." In the Greek New Testament and in the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament), we find terms like "new earth," "Heaven," "Gehenna," "Hades," "Tartarus," "abyss" and "Lake of Fire."

Terms

All the following terms are spoken of in terms that indicate that the inhabitants of these realms are conscious and aware.

Sheol is usually translated by "Hades" in the Septuagint. It is a very general term referring commonly to the parts of the world that lie beneath the surface of the earth (e.g., Num. 16:30-33; Deut. 32:22; Isa. 7:11), including the grave (Isa. 14:11), and to the abode of both the righteous (e.g., Ps. 30:3; Eccl. 9:10) and the wicked (e.g., Ps. 9:17) after death. Other Old Testament texts equate Sheol with "death," as does Paul (1 Cor. 15:55 with Hos. 13:14).

Abaddon is a place of destruction in the Old Testament, and Revelation indicates that it is also the name of the angel of the abyss (Rev. 9:11). It is frequently associated with Sheol (Job 26:6; Prov. 15:11; 27:20), and sometimes with death (Job 28:22) or a tomb (Ps. 88:11).

"The pit" is usually a hole in the ground, i.e., a grave. However, in some instances it may refer to the collective abode of the dead (Isa. 14:15-19).

The Bible distinguishes heaven as a temporary place of blessing for disembodied believers (2 Cor. 5:6-.

After the general resurrection, believers will leave heaven and live perpetually on the New Earth (Isa. 65:17; 66:22; 2 Pet. 3:13; Rev. 21:1).

Gehenna is a place of punishment, torment and destruction (e.g., Matt. 5:22; 10:28; 23:33; Mark 9:43), and it is characterized by fire (Matt. 5:22; 18:9; Mark 9:43; Jam. 3:6). It would seem that the spirits in Gehenna are not disembodied (e.g., Matt. 5:29,30; 10:28), which suggests that it is at least a place of eternal punishment after the general resurrection (John 5:28-29). But Gehenna also appears to exist and to be an active force in the present (Jam. 3:6), before the resurrection, suggesting that it is also a place of disembodied torment prior to the judgment.

The Lake of Fire is mentioned only in Revelation (Rev. 19:20; 20:10,14,15; 21:, where it is described as the final place of torment for the wicked. Gehenna is not mentioned in Revelation. Judging from the descriptions of Gehenna and the Lake of Fire, they seem to be one and the same.

Hades is used in the New Testament to refer to the abode of the wicked after death (Luke 10:15) and for the grave or tomb of the righteous (Acts 2:27-29). In Revelation, it is closely associated with "death" (Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13,14). It is mentioned in Luke 16 in the context of the story/parable of Lazarus and Dives. Scholars are divided in their opinions as to whether Jesus affirmed this view of Hades or simply borrowed it for the sake of an illustration. Potentially, it affirms that Hades may legitimately be used to refer to a place where unbelievers are tormented before the judgment.

In Revelation, the Abyss is mentioned mainly as the abode of demonic forces and curses (Rev. 9:1,2,11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:1; 20:3), and the same is true in Luke 8:31. But in Romans 10:7 Paul speaks of the Abyss simply as the abode of the dead, and specifically as where Christ went when he died. Since the Bible indicates that Jesus did not suffer torment after his death (Luke 23:46), the Abyss does not appear to be restricted to the wicked and to demons. The word "abyss" itself refers to a deep or bottomless pit, so that the image is closely associated with "the pit" and perhaps with "Abaddon." Probably, its meaning is as broad as that of "Sheol" and "Hades."

Tartarus is only used once, so we have very little information on it. It is where the fallen angels are temporarily imprisoned (2 Pet. 2:4), prior to the judgment. It is also associated with the idea of a pit. It may have been used exclusively as a description of a place of punishment, but we can't be sure based on its one appearance. It use in reference to the abode of the demons makes it a close match with "Abyss." Since the Abyss is probably not for the wicked exclusively, Tartarus may also be a place for the righteous.

Hell is an English catch-all term that different translations use in different ways. It is not directly related to any of the terms in the Hebrew or Greek Scriptures.

Outer darkness is a term used in Matthew to refer to a place of cursing, cut off from the blessings of God (Matt. 8:12; 22:13; 25:30). It is fairly equivalent to Gehenna, except that we have no references to it that mention fire. Tartarus is also described as being in darkness (2 Pet. 2:4). It is reserved for those who are not of God's elect (Matt. 22:14), that is, for unbelievers.
If u read the King James, all these types are termed as hell, but they don't all mean the same thing.

God just showed u Rapture. All u siad will happen and so many will be left behind.
Am pained when I hear pastors who shd be warning people abt this eminent events are busy chasing after things they won't take out of this realm.
So many people are so ignorant of this. It saddens me.

When the pope said, The Church' he is not refering to the body of Christ as awhole. He is talking abt the RCC. It has taken the place of God/Christ. Behind 'the church is Mary. The Catholic Church doesn't recognise any other denomination other than RCC. And pls be adviced, RCC is not Christianity. It is a distortion of Chritianity.
Mary is their goddess.
They belive in the virgin birth of Mary. And they believed she died a virgin, even wen the Bibles states clearly that Mary had other children Lk 6:3.
They make her divine so that they can worship her(Queen of Heaven) Jere. 7:16.
Their relationionship is with mary not with Jesus. If u don't believe and treat mary as they do, then u r not saved.
Checkout their Jesus, is either he's a toddler in a craddle or nailed on the cross. Ask any Catholic if he/she is expecting the second coming of Christ and hear what they will tell U.
They have the same spirit with Islam. Perversion of the truth.
The RCC fought to keep all Europe catholics. An empty religion without the holy spirit, now Europe is all atheist.
That's what the Pope is advocating here, drop Jesus and turn to 'THE CHURCH' then when u r confronted with questions and challenges, there'll be no holy spirit to teach U, then u can turn and say there's no God.

I want the Nl atheist to explain Conciousness to me. If there's no God, meaning there's no supernatural, and no afterlife, how can u explain a situation where someone dies, i mean clinically dead. Doctors confirms him dead. No pulse, no brain activites for hours, only for the person to jeck back to life to tell about his/her experience in the other world? They meet a relative or friend who had died long ago, who gives them information for his/her living folk, when he jerks back, when verified the info is found to be true? How was the dead guy able to retain that info wen his brian activities had stopped? This happened to my elder sister. She had etopic pregnancy that killed her, but she jerked back to life abt two or three hrs later to tell us abt our uncle who died months back pursuing her with a cane to go back, and he told her something for his immidiate family which was verified.
Secondly, I personally dream events before they happen. I mean, vivdly, clearly detailed before they happen. This is not a case of what you saw or experienced before. I mean future.
Early last month I dreamed, a contract am handling got terminated, because in real life here, the project manager had inflated the amount, I knew abt it, but said nothing. Last week, it was discovered, the guy is fired and my contract terminated.
Pls explain this to me.

@bashbabe. Pick a Dictionary and define extremism and compare it with Islam, I mean what muhammed did and satanically cast an eternal spell on everyone who believes in him and Jesus as his followers, let's just check things out.
Oh God, l love what Alisina is doing to Islam. Are you a Muslim who wants to know more abt ur Islam? Google www.alisina.org or www.faithfreedom.org.
Mohammed was a dog, a filty pig. As-a-matter-of-fact, a pig has more morals and decency than Mu.
I just discovered now that Mu may have had sex with his daughter Fatima. Anas and the rest wrote and laughed at it when they noticed that Fatima's first son, look like Muhammed his grand-father, and not his own father Ali. He was visiting and sitting on her bed in the middle of the night, covering her unders his garment.
Urg, Muhammeeeeeeeddddddd. The world registered a man.

Wow, what a story. Now what do we call this?
But seriously, I hope u made this all up? because demons don't ve flesh, especially the ones in dream planes.
But, if u r for real, what does that make u then? A demon killer and eater? That could mean, u are possessed with demons urself.

This is a story similar to the one I encountered here in Nigeria.
Am a Winners member. It was a Tuesday, not a fellowship day. Towards evening I was in church for a unit meeting. I was waiting for others to come, so I was having a chat with a friend when this hausa man approached us at the church entrance.
He wanted to see the Pastor, but the provincial pastor had retired for the day. I asked him what the problem was, if we could help. He started a story similar to this. Him and his father, a very rich Cattle trader, just returned from suadi Arabia. While there, after their usual rituals retired to their tent, he fell asleep and dreamed he was in Nigeria and in church. He had never neared a church before, never concieved the thought of ever doing so. He woke up very upset. I didn't tell anyone abt it. The second night, he dreamed a man telling him to leave the place and return to Nigeria. He bcame worried. The worst came, wen he heard a voice clearly inside a Mosque while prayers was going on, telling him to leave the place quickly. he looked around, everyone was doing their prayers. He knew it had to do with the dreams he had been having, because it was the same voice. Now this came with worries and anxiety. He didn't know what he was worried abt, but he was very worried and distracted most of the time to the extend that his father noticed and aske why. He lied to cover up.wen they returned to Nigeria, he won't observe his prayers again as before. He stopped going to the Mosgue. His four wives started noticing changes in him and starting enquring, but he won't say anything to them for fear they will tell his father.
He came to Port Harcourt for business. While in Ph, he had that dream again. He was so confused as to what to do. So for the first time he decided to speak back to whoever was disturbing his life.
He said, he closed his eyes and said. I have never been to any church ever in my life. But if u want me to go to church show me how to do it, then he heard the voice as though someone was inside his hotel room with him say, winners. Just 'winners'. Well he has been seeing churches but never bothered to differentiate them by their names, so he got dressed and stepped out of the hotel. Outside he saw an elderly lady whom he asked "pls am sorry but can u show me where Winners is? The woman pointed out the chuurch to him, that's how he came to meet us. He told how from his childhood he has been taught to hate christians and jews. But as that point he was ready to face his father, who is indeed very rich and influential, he said he knew, he could get killed, but he was ready. He said he was going to lay off his three wives and stay with his first wife.
Well, me I was skeptical abt the whole story. A Bokoharam man can put up a story and come, just to be free to walk into the church with a bomb strabbed on his chest. Nevertheless. We handed him over to one pastor who happened to walk in on us then.
The crowd is huge, if he is still coming, I can't tell. He may have gone back to the north. I pray he is genuine and God to keep him save from his family.

Why does discussing religion with muslims always results to conflicts? Its a religion of peace, but its adherance are very violent. Anttime u start talking abt islam they get angry. Do they know for sure that Islam is false but want to keep it that way?
I will recommed my brethren to google www.faithfreedom.org. And see what ex-muslims are discovering abt Islam. They are converting out of islam in droves.

The guy above me, your Moniker speaks volumes. You'd rather people don't get this info so that they won't prepare for what's emminent. Saytan is a liar.

@fearlesschicken, I think what u meant to say was, u believe in the generic term 'god'. because u can't say u believe in Jehovah yet u don't believe in the Bible, how did you meet him in the first place?
The word GOD is not a personal name of any deity, but a common noun for a whole class of gods.
So I think, what u want to say is that, u believe in the supernatural, but u can't specify which exactly. And you tok about errors in the bible, and we keep saying point them out.

God healed me. I don't know about u @Frank317 and @ifeness, you are the least person I take seriously in this forum.
If you don't see the hand of God in ur lives, even u don't merit it, don't worry. Keep being god to urself. Time shall tell. U don't know what u r up against.
And as for girls being raped, that blame goes on God? Like seriously? Do u use ur brains at all?

Muhammed was indeed very close to his daughter. I think he ever saw her as his little girl. And besides, her husband was present nah, if her husband walked in on them, I would ve raised one eyebrow, but I think Muhammed treated both of them as his children, so I don't really count his actions as wrong. My thought though.

I will add, lazy men. Men who watches and knows all the charaters in all movies. Sleeps late and wakes by 9am. Ruuuunnnn.

@Chuna1985. The right to be ignorant is entirely urs. I won't waste words on you, if not I would have gone on to quote Biblical scriptures that points to what is happening to christians today everywhere in the world for you to see, they r fulfillment of God's prophecies. Christians know that it will get worst. Its already been determined that all these and more will happen. Christianity with persecution is dead.
Am happy to see this things happening just as the Bible says they will happen. because they are happening, I believe am in the right place.
Just imagine if what Christ said will happen is not happening, christ would ve been termed a liar. But thank God they r all happening. Jesus is True and He is alive.
I was studying the book of Daniel, imagine how long ago prophet daniel lived, some of his prophecies are unfolding right before our very eyes and people like you(satan's little helpers) won't open ur eyes to see.
Like I said, I won't waste words on you, for what will that do?

Who says muslims don't eat pork and dog meat? Only wen they r among their folk, they pretened. Those people are the greatest hypocrites alive. I did my secondary school in a border town with Cameroun. There was this man who was so good @ preparing this meats. The Muslim Customs and immigration officers won't allow anyone get the good parts.
Am not joking now, in the morning, before the man begins bizness for the day, they send their junior officers to drop their food flaks. Before the meat is ready, everything would ve been booked.
One Muslim officer said, he liked the way people are in that area. You are who you are no pretends. If u r a serious born again people know, if u r not people know, but up north where they come from everybody pretends but wen no one is looking they do worst. I heard that with my own ears, so pls eat ur meat. Don't ever call anything God created unclean.

Not only Harry Porter. Also Merlin, the legent of the seeker, the lords of the ring, and others like them. I have always known. Trying to sell the idea that there's good and bad satan. Satan is satan. All evil. White and black witch indeed.