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[quote author=ccarefulwind2post=73126705]so now you agree with me that even some pastors in your church, are evil?
See why i asked you the Sect your Pastor was? You declined to mention because you knew you'd be busted. You've been talking to a wolf in Sheep Clothing pretending to be a Pastor. He is just like you trying to claim that Christianity is Occult with hidden knowledge.

And sir. none of my Pastors is evil. What Gospel will they preach? With this same Bible? Under whose unction? Satan? Plssss. Maybe you don't know that We all belong to different kingdoms and the Spirits controlling these kingdoms are with us. They communicate to us what is going on.

I am not a 'My Pastor said Christian', i am 'My Bible Says'. I'm not a lazy Christian. I make sure to study to keep like you and your fake pastors away. I read everything printed in English. Islam, Occult, New Age. Everything. I know that people like you abound, i arm myself against them.
[quote author=ccarefulwind2post=73126705]Yet you point fingers at only occultists, as being evil, forgetting the fact that in every surrounding, organisation, religion, etc,[/quote]There's no evil in any Christian as there's no evil in Christ. A good tree bears good fruits, not bad.

Jesus is Truth and Light. There's no lie in Truth, and there's no darkness in Light. So also His followers.

Like their Master satan who pretends to be an angel of light, they pretend to be Christians does not mean they are
Sitting in Church won't make a person a Christian any more than sitting in a garage will make him a Car. If he is bearing godly fruits, he shall be cut off and be thrown into the Fire.

Satan is the father of all lairs, and the prince of darkness and nothing good can come out of him. If there's any, mention one.

[quote author=ccarefulwind2post=73126705]you will always find good and evil, staring at your face.*thanks for your contribution dear friend*[/quote]There's evil in Christ, hence can not be in his followers.

Good day to you.

ccarefulwind2:
I will explain based on the Christian religious concept and be very brief.

Christian maturity is a process that begins when a person accepts Jesus Christ as Savior. He or she is
born again of the Holy Spirit and then chooses to live "in Christ."

Therefore, in order for Christian maturity to develop in your life, you must make a choice to learn God's
Word, allow God to renew your mind, and then be obedient to what you learn. Romans 12:1-2 says,
"Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God - this is your spiritual act of worship. Do not conform any longer to the pattern of
this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve
what God's will is - his good, pleasing and perfect will."


How they misuse these knowledge? I will name but one. Which is ;

The Tongue : The control of the tongue is the greatest mark of Christian maturity, not only Christian maturity but spiritual maturity. But many Christians use their tongue to defile the very knowledge they were taught, by using it for their own gain or to hurt others.

Ponder on the following :

* James 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!

3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.

James 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be

3:13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Okay. So, the misuse of Tongue is the reason these your mystery pastors choose to keep the deep teachings of Christ or Occult Christendom knowledge secret to some but reveal them to those they had watched and personally mentored?

Do you know that soooooo many satanist take that label pastors when they are indeed agents of darkness? Yes, they are and the Lord warned us about them.
And, i think that is the crowd you are rolling with.

Oh wait!!!!!, Lest i forget, you called The Lord Jesus, The Lord of the Heaven and Earth. The Beginning and the End. the author of Life and Light an Occultist. Yeah you did.

This is where i end my discussion with you.

mukhcech:
My brother it is true. Read it a long time ago. Buh this women no dey hear word. They will saying it their best soup.

I read about it too today. Hmmm. I also like it.

ccarefulwind2:
* it is hard for any occult person to help the needy? I disagree. Tell me about pastors that takes from the needy to fill their own account? * * stop choking words down my throat and making it seem like i put them there. Have i in any way mentioned satan as part of my discussion that has to do with the occult?* * why are you people always quick to point fingers at people who dare to probe into the mysteries through the occult as satanists, then enjoy the benefits of their discoveries with the other hand? These is really sad. * * speak for yourself, don't speak for me. The scales in your eyes have not off, for you to see clearly*

1 question only. What is the Source of the Occult?

ccarefulwind2:
Very good. Tell me, did you just wake up one morning to these your conclusion on YHWH? Or you studied deeply, pondered deeply, researched deeply, asked questions from qualified people, in other for you to know more about YHWH?

I did all of that. What is your point?

ccarefulwind2:
Oh yes, He is known by many names given to him by different tribes. I will name few of them, which you already know, they are ;

YHWH

THE COSMIC

JEHOVAH

SUPREME GOD

FATHER

Etc

Fair enough. Do you believe believe He is Occultic

ccarefulwind2:
I wont answer that, but i will point you to one of the directions, that will tell you the answers and explain them better.

Kindly read the Mystical Life of Jesus Christ by Harvey Spencer Lewis.

When you read the book, then we can discuss more on it.

Oh, this is how you came up with an Occultic Jesus?

Listen, before Spencer was born, the Bible was in existence. I think we should go with the older book written by many authors, than with one.

By the way, you can help us and post what Spencer says about Jesus here. You see, i have a life, i don't have that time to read Spencer.

ccarefulwind2:
Sorry i can't give you that information, for the sake of their members that might be reading these thread. I prefer to give respect to their various practices and keep it confidential.

So, if you say the branch of Christianity the said pastors practice their members will know?


Its as simple as saying 'Evangelical'. No name mentioned, no denomination mentioned.

Lolzzz. I think you made that up.

lmao the best way to make enemies is to clash with people on religion or politics. I will advice if you are ascending to keep these types of issues away from the walking dead if you value those friendships. now if you dont value the friendships ? that is a different matter. most walking dead cant handle these types of conversations. they think you are crazy. now on a superficial level going to church to socialise is not bad if you strictly see it as a social gathering just to see friends. just dont think you are going to get any kind of wisdom there. it is haven for the walking dead. lol

Oh wow. I never thought i'd live to see a day that a Spiritually dead son of perdition will call a Christian a walking dead.

Trust me with everything in you, you are in hell already.

Yup, it's true. Guys, go easy on Okro.

Seun:
It contains a chemical called gossypol which interferes with sperm production. If you’re trying to make a baby, you should probably avoid okro stew.

Even when it's cooked? And, does it only affect males?

Meanwhile, running to ask google what gossypol means.

ccarefulwind2:
To know more about life, you have to know the deep things that defines and move it.

To know more about Life you need to know the deep things that defines and moves it? And these deep things are found in the Occult? Wait a sec. If i hand you an invention you had never seen before, you wouldn't know what it is or it's purpose or use. The invention itself wouldn't be able to tell you either, it's only the creator or the manufacturer of that invention can tell you what the invention is and what it is for. Will it be rational to boycott the inventor and resort to asking someone else?

General Olusegun Obasanjo brought the GSM to Nigeria is not enough to bypass Nokia manufacturers and other GSM companies at that time and go to Obasanjo and say 'Teach me the deep things of GSM'.

God is Life. Everything on this earth comes from Him, but, instead finding out about life from Him, you'd go to a lair?

Don't you think that if Satan is the author of life he'd ve created his own specie of humans instead of possessing you guys and trying to live on earth as flesh because Jesus was able to do it?

ccarefulwind2:
* creator of the universe? I'll prefer not to discuss about satan as an entity on these thread*

Why not? You want to discuss the Occult, but rather not talk about Satan? See? this is the point. You guys lie to yourselves and others, trying downplay satan, when he is the center of occult. Some will even to on to tell us that satan does not exist. Why does satan likes hiding?

We shd discuss standing on what premise? It's like saying 'let's discuss the Bible, but not Jesus'. Wow.

ccarefulwind2:
* My emoji? What is the essence of discussing a matter like these, without a symbol that incites humor, to encourage more imputs from contributors on the thread. My emoji is an expression (smile) on my face, on my own part.*

Your emoji expresses your state of mind to your readers. Yeah, it incites humor but also conveys messages.

ccarefulwind2:
.* i hoped you prayed for all of us yesterday, while in church? *

I'll pray for you today. This evening. Yesterday was solely for Jesus. It was Hosanna Service. Praisefare. All praise offering and dance to the Lord. We asked for nothing.

Today, i shall pray for encounter for you.You'lll be a viable vessel for His use. You have a sharp mind, kind demeanour and some what gentle spirited

Can i recommend a book for you? Promise you read it.

"Secrets of Heaven", by Emmanuel Swedenborg.
download the PDF version and read pls.

'True Christianity', by the same author will turn you down side up. becos right now, your state is upside down. No offense pls. i was like you too.

MuttleyLaff:
Just like Eliezer did, so I prayed too God, about my partner.
My complete specifications and all, were met when I found and set eyes on my partner, so I readily made the choice.

The point is, God showed me whom He adjudged and/or appointed is good for me, it was left to me to choose or not
but the power of choice resided with me
I decide, I decided what choice action to make

Yes. This is the point i'm trying to make too. God does not interfere with and in our choices.

God bless.

ccarefulwind2:
But the concept of "sin" is trickery and broad, in the sense that what one considers sin in one part of the world, might not be seen as sin at the other part of the world. This is why the law "Love your neighbour as your self" is considered universal.

In other words, everywhere on earth, the Law "Love your neighbour as you love yourself applies? If this is true, then there's one single human who has ever lived who did not know YHWH intrinsically. For, anyone who knows the Universal law " Love your neighbour", must know which law precedes that. How can any go on loving their neighbours witEveryonest loving God? They couldn't know that law without it's giver.

That said. There's no culture in human history which did not have God in them and with them. The point is rebellion. The sense of revolt to live free in sin predicates Sin. And, there's no single culture which didn't have the Ten Commandments whether written or as Folklore from Adam.

Every culture knew and knows that lying was and is wrong, stealing, dishonesty, cheating, killing another human being, backbiting, having sex with another mans wife or another woman's husband is wrong. The Law of God is the blue print or God's signature inside every human from creation. It is intrinsically underlies Humanity.

Cain didn't have the law, 'Thou shall not kill', but when he killed Abel his brother, he hid. When he was called out for it, he lied. Everyone knows what Sin is, the difference is our levels of disobedience.

ccarefulwind2:
Good people also dish out acts of kindness in secret but conceals their identity from the public. So not all things done in secret are dark and evil.

The Lord instructed that act of kindness shd be done secretly. And the reason is so that pride won't enter into you when men praise you for it.
Let everything you do be for the benefit of who received your help and the glory shd go to God who is your source. You shd know that you are only a channel and a vessel through which God passed through to reach your benefactor. Take no glory for anything you do. No hypocrisy.

Those who take glory for their deeds do not Love their benefactors, they love themselves and live on the praises of men. The Lord says his followers shd not be like that.

Believe me, it is hard for any Occult person to sincerely help the needy without an ulterior motives. To get higher in their Occult world, they must take from others, spiritually i mean.

Satan says, Take and keep for yourself, Jesus says Spread and share to others. Look around you.

ccarefulwind2:
Occult is darkness? So it is darkness, for someone seeking to know more about mathematics, geography, history, biology, etc?

You mean Satan is the Source of Mathematics, Biology, Geography and History? What the Hell? Have you ever heard the word 'Usurper?', that's who satan is. He is a thief. identity thief, ideology thief, knowledge thief, he steals everything.

Do you even know that Occult deals with the Supernatural and Mysticism? The great Scientists who were and are true Christians, Sir Isaac Newton was one. How do they and how did he know so much? Was he an Occultist?

I thought you said there's a supreme being who created everything, could you by any chance be referring to an entity other than YHWH?

ccarefulwind2:
I know you studied maths as one of your subjects in school, but do you know that the greatest minds that invented mathematics, that made sure it was been studied in schools, were Occultist?
I will stop here for now

You mean the Occult provided them the intellects, the sound mind and the understanding to study Mathematics?
Pls say it straight, Satan is the source of Numbers. Say it.

Do you why they hide? They are thieves, liars and deceivers. And they have got you so deceived to believe that what they do comes from satan when in essence, it all comes from YHWH to us.

Trust me, if satan has half of the power you accord him, he wouldn't bother with us in this planet, he'd ve created his own specie of creatures. Awake from this deception and see the deception. You are abandoning the creator who has satan in his hands to follow satan who himself is a creature like you. Right now, you are better than Satan because you can be redeemed, he can not.

There's no power in Occult. In the face of true power, and Light, they run and hide.

ccarefulwind2:
* What is your purpose of studying the works of God?

My Purpose of studying God whose name is YHWH, is to know how to live according to His Divine Design. God created this earth, and created man to dominate it. He did not create the earth and stepped aside, no. He intended to be part and parcel of what man did here, but Man out of rebellion got himself distracted, hence lost out on the Grand Divine Design. To get man back on track, YHWH stepped down Himself, took up a human body in other to teach me how to know him personally, and how to get back into the Design which is eternal. This is why i study to know God, for in Him i live, i move and have my being. Without Him, there's no me.

ccarefulwind2:
* There is a Supreme Being who is the creator of all things, i didnt attribute that to satan *

This supreme being, does it have a name?

ccarefulwind2:
* What the occult really does, when followed on the right path, is that it helps men reach illumination.

I think we should at this point define terms.

* Is Jesus an Occult Grand Master?
*If yes pls give reasons why you believe so.

If He is, then He most definitely behind the Occult you want us to discuss here.

* If He is, why then did you assert that many people do not want to study Occult when the Word of God is taught at every turn openly?

* If He is, why do we Christians go out for Evangelism openly (Not in secret) and want to convert the world?

* Point out His Occultic practices from His Word.

*Is there anything like Occultic Christianity?
* If the answer to above questions is Yes, pls point out their activities out.

If Jesus is not behind Occultism, who is?

If Satan is behind Occult, can you attribute Illumination which is Light, both of sight and mind to him? As in, is Lucifer the Master of light now?

* What is illumination according to you?

* Are different kinds of lights?

Do you know why the Occult hide in secrets?

ccarefulwind2:
* I have had series of discussions with great pastors and imams (identities withheld), on why they don't reveal everything to their members, do you know what their response have always been? That they can't. Why? Because most of the people will misuse the teachings due to immaturity.

More questions.
*What kind of Pastors are we talking about here? Pls dont mention their names, but pls do tell which aspect of Christianity they practices.

*Are they Catholic?
*Orthodox?
*Coptic?
*Evangelical?
* Jehovah's Witnesses?
* Christian Science = those who read palms, study the zodiac ete.
* Spiritualism/Spiritism = those who invoke Angels and sacrifice animals and carry out assignments and perform rituals.
* LDS?

Now, for you to ask those pastors that question, you must have an idea what they are hiding. Pls tell me what they must be hiding.

*What you do understand by Christian maturity? And how can this knowledge be misused?

Is there anything Jesus kept back from the Church?

ccarefulwind2:
So they prefer to reveal and explain more on the mysteries to certain members, who has showed maturity in
the scriptures, that have been watched closely and studied under their own eyes

What this means is that, these your pastors have a select few they hold Bible study with after the general Bible study with the whole Church?

They have those whom they reveal the secret of their power to?

Pls, i need very brief answers yo my questions.

ccarefulwind2:
You have answered your question, dont forget the meaning of the word "Occult".

Make i work small.

No, i cannot forget the meaning of Occult.

Okay finish dey work come give me my answers. lol. Enjoy your work.

MuttleyLaff:
The query here is:
Does God Choose A Spouse For You?

and I'll add, how many others, bar Hosea and Joseph, has God chosen a spouse for?

I believe every Spirit-led child of God still gets divine direction as to who to marry.

Most of us today walk by sight, hence do not know how to listen and be led by the Holy Spirit. I'm not sure a follower of Christ will be allowed to marry a pretencious person, then cry out later in anguish.

When the Bible says the Holy Spirit is our Guide, what is the limit of his guidance? because marriage is a highly spiritual matter as it has it's origin deep in the Divine.

The Holy Spirits Helps us, directs us, teaches us what tho. Is there a limit?

ccarefulwind2:
The occult is not a religion, humans created religion. So being a Christian does not stop you from studying the occult.

Being a Christan does not stop me from studying Occult!!!!

My question has been, 'For what purpose tho?'.

I asked you if you believed that satan created this world and everything in it. If that is the case, then the things you earlier mentioned as the benefits of studying occultism will be attributed to satan as his creations, but if not, why not come out clearly and tell the world what the occult really do?

God created the entire earth and everything in it, He created all the things you mention as usefulness for me. But to understand their usefulness i must leave the Creator and go to another creature and, pls teach me how to use these things.

E make sense?

ccarefulwind2:
Everything about Christ is open (i agree), but not for everyone. Why do you think they have baby Christians? Because there are some knowledge that are only meant for them at that stage, until when proven to be a good and mature convert, then gradually, they will be introduced into the hidden knowledge (occult) of the Christendom.

The Occult of the Christendom!!!!!. Hmmm interesting. I'm really interested in this. What is the Occult of Christendom pls. and pls do not talk about this outside of out Bible from where our is derived.

And, being young in Christ, as in, a new convert, hence being under study to know who you are in Christ, and your rights in the Covenant is not the same things as saying things are kept from you to be revealed later. If there are such kept secret knowledge, pls let's hear them.

ccarefulwind2:
So now knowing occult is satanic? Very funny. Do you want to tell me that people trying to know Christ more deeply, are getting themselves into satanic territories?

Does your bolded imply that Christ Occultism?

Have you ever heard that the Bible study is done in secret, hidden from light with only a select few?

I will really need to know how knowing more about Christ is Occultism, because if that's the case, then am on my way to being an Occult Guru, because my hunger to know about Christ is very deep.

ccarefulwind2:
Lol... Are you trying to tell me that before reading these post, you have not sinned against yourself and man? Have you not lied before to someone, for your own gain?

My friend, no body is perfect, we only work towards perfection.

You didn't get my point. This is not directed at an individual. We are talking about hidden things done by the dark people in secret nah. So i asked if you have ever wondered why sinful you hide to commit sin. This is not directed at you personally.

No one is perfect, yes. But my point is, the activities that defile and make us imperfect are done in secret, hiding in the dark.

Satan is synonymous to Darkness. He is the King of the Kingdom of darkness. Occult is darkness.

AjalaJ:
Let me confess that I like Okro (Okra) soup. Apart from that it has great nutritional value.

However, some people hate it, claiming religious and health grounds. For example, some say they experience some discomfort in their stomach after they eat it. Some religious organizations also believe that eating okro can have adverse effects on one’s destiny.

Are these assumption true? Is it true that Okro soup can destroy your destiny?




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Which religious Organization say Okro soup destroys destiny abeg? lolzzzz. imaoo.

mrAMG:
Wrong!!!
We’re in the jet age.
The iron age refers to prehistoric times.
Get your facts right before you start talking

What is Jet Age pls?

HappyPagan:
Yes, feel very welcome. I sometimes attend communion service, just to taste the wafers on display.. Once, we had stale bread... , tasted like Jesus' rotten flesh..

Lolzzzz. You attend communion service where? I mean which church?

I didn't say witches don't go to church. don't get me wrong. Like i said, there are pastors who people like you can fit with, but try fire and see yourself get burnt.

And again, Lolzzzzzzzz. Communion does not kill people, so if you were expecting that it will kill you, you won't drop dead, for you are dead already. It's a matter of time, your soul shall depart from your body and proceed to hell, then you can laugh properly. Poor boy.

HappyPagan:
I dine with pastors, regularly. I was a familiar face in Church, during the period I was blinded. Now I see, the demons you see live in your mind. Dark thoughts, ancient thoughts, old thoughts, decayed thoughts have made your brain a habitat.

You've let them in, offered them jollof rice, made them cozy. I'm greater than your Jesus. What church can cast out my demons?

Empty talk. Light and darkness do not cohabit. if you ever mingled with pastors, those will be the ones the Lord warned us against. The Ones he'll say to "Get thee hence, i know you not, you workers of iniquities". It'll only take a fake Marine white garment pastor to dine with a demon possessed and the demon possessed will fell comfortable in his presence.


MrPagan, i tell you again, if you dare into a church i pastor, no demon shall remain in you. Every single demon in you shall cry out begging to be sent to the desert instead of hades.

gensteejay:
I will ignore you henceforth. You've no answer to my question. I didn't expect you to anyway.

Only shallow-minded people resort to abusing others when asked a simple question. Ignorant lot.

I have no time to waste discussing with your ilk.

How did i abuse you? Do you see insult in everything anyone says to you?

You saw people taking about the Bible, you jumped in with a silly question now you are feigning offence.

be gone.

HappyPagan:
Or maybe he has no power. The demons know that, some are dressed as pastors, others look like you...

Since the pastor had no power, why didn't he resist?
If you MrPagan dares into the Church i pastor, trust me, no demon shall follow you out of that Church, for they shall all be cast out.

HappyPagan:
Good to see the Bible does your thinking for you...

MrPagan. Will it be okay if i come to your shrine to hold prayer meeting, anointing everything and doing blood of sprinkling all over your effigies?

0pposite:
This man is a calamity..
Live and let live..
#Spits

No.one is stopping you from living as you like, but why bring it to Church. Will you do that to a mosque? because Christ is tolerant, the agents of Satan can do anything they want inside the Church. The Club is their church, why not go there?

Pidginwhisper:
That was how a prophet told my paddy that a very good lady who was supposed to be his Wife no be him ordained Wife from above, when he told me, i advised him not to mind the prophet, if your ppl don approve her, just go ahead.
Few months later my paddy took another lady to same prophet and he affirmed that the new lady na him Wife, fast forward to 8months after the Wedding, this ordained Wife stab my paddy for arm over minor argument that ensued after she repeatedly burnt what she was cooking while watching Zeeworld. The rejected one is now married with 3kids while the Ordained one never carry belle sef, everyweek she must break bottle. Pray for God's direction when u dey find Husband/Wife, no let Pastor/prophet dictate to you.

As much as i go with you 100%, but the Op is not about Pastor say. Its about God Himself affirming a spouse. Does it still happen? is the query here.

gensteejay:
I know folks like you earn your daily living by calling people names online. I don't engage in such vain talks or do unnecessary back-and-forth with people with a penchant for name-calling.

You don't need to reply this comment if you've no tangible point to make. However, if you need to discuss facts, issues not ad hominem, I'm interested.

How could you have asked such a silly question if you are reasonable?

MrPresident1:
You are a criminal for this nonsense you just spouted.

God controls everything. He is the one that links man and woman, he is the one that makes them marry each other. God is in absolute control of the universe.

MrPresident1. What broke inside of you? When did you become this person?

Yes God controls everything on earth, but is that enough to call him a Criminal? What the Hell?

gensteejay:
Lol. Can you specify which God you're referring to here? Christian God? Muslim God? Hindu God? African traditional religion God? Which one?

I thought of ignoring you, but again, ignoring kids can get them hurt.

But, Did you See Adamola quote Isaiah? I believe only Jehovah gave His followers a book which Isaiah was a prophet and a book in it.

ADEMOLA144:
nobody is created for punishment, people earn their punishment. whatever you get you earned. you dont get more than or less than you earned.
galatians 6 vs 7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

colosians 3 vs 25 But he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons

Now we level. Shalom.

NPComplete:
Lol. This moronic fraud is just digging himself into a deeper hole. So because Jacob called the place Peniel so it refers to the pineal gland right? If u had anybody supporting u before u have now succeeded in alienating them. It doesn't take anything more than reading this your comment to see how foolish u are. Obviously your pineal gland isn't working. If it was u won't be so senseless

Go easy on the guy. Don't chase him out of here so soon. Let's have some fun. lolzzzz.

I didn't even catch the pineal location/ Pineal gland angle. imaoooo