Leyqute:


Bellingham is def more direct than Foden. The duo may have the same goal contributions but Bellingham has impacted more games than Foden. His contributions are spread across more matches whereas Foden has had peak performance in a handful of games.

Furthermore, Jude has created more chances and goal actions than Foden has. He’s very dangerous in and around the opposition’s box because of his immense quality on the ball.

That kind of player is easy to build around going into competitions like the World Cup or Euros because you can easily slot him into your strategy.

SAF had enough games to build a team around a budding CR7, and it was a gradual process with several experts in their positions. Replicating that with Foden in a short period with an English squad filled with talents and easy replacements is a lot of unnecessary work.

There might be a role for Foden, but based on what he’s been on about, Bellingham suits the team better and should start. Maybe Foden can up his game and carve a starting role when he comes on from the bench. Anything is possible.

Fair enough. Time will tell. Remember England have won nothing thus far. I also want them to test run Jude so that when the team fails, the matter will now depend on another coach who can use Foden better.

This will be another Oscar vs KdB issue.

Leyqute:


Foden is not as effective as Bellingham in the no 10 role. His game might be more suited to the role, but Bellingham has better numbers and even technique when he gets into that position.

But that's beside the point.

Foden at 23 might be close to Kane at 23. You may even consider him to be the better player at that age, and I won't argue with you.

The problem is that Foden is not consistent as Kane is, or hasn't shown the level of consistency that Kane has shown over the years. With Foden, you never know for a certainty what you're going to get going into a game.

No sane coach would build a team around players like that.

Everyone you mentioned - CR7, Messi, etc, had a level of consistency to their games. It's easier to build a team around someone like that.

That's why Bellingham edges him in my books. He's still young and can develop into a fantastic, consistent player but he hasn't hit that phenomenal level just yet.

Bellingham was never playing the 10 role until this season. And even at RM most of his goals have come from him being in the false 9 position not even as a 10. Their numbers (G+A) are the same this season

You're right that Foden is not consistent but that is because even at City he is not used in his best role consistently. After his MoM performance against Brentford the other week as a 10, Pep shoved him to the RW the very next game.

CR7 was not consistent until the team was built around him in 2006/7. Maybe you've forgotten when that was the criticism he used to get from 2003-2005. I think SAF even placed a bet with him on scoring 10 goals in a season. Rooney never had great numbers until CR7 left and the team was built around him. He quickly showed he was a 30goal a season player. Prior, Rooney used to do 15 goals 15 assists etc and people accused him of being inconsistent too.

WhoDeyHause:

When they call you to manage england, you ca build your team around foden.

Time will tell who is right.

Leyqute:


I think we’re yet to see the best of Foden but you’re over exaggerating his current output or talent.

Fodden might excel in several positions but he’s second best in those positions in the English squad.

He needs to up his game to be the best in one of those positions. Man was practically useless at both AM and RWF against Brazil. Bowen came on and the difference was clear as day.

Nah I am not. Half the people here just can't read.

Foden is not second best to Jude as a 10. He might be second best to other players like Saka or Rashford in the RW or LW positions but he is the best 10 at England's disposal. But that will depend on if the team builds around him.

England can decide if building around Foden is worth it versus building around say Kane or Jude. Until that he will huff and puff like Scholes did for England.

Imagine if Argentina was built around Lautaro instead of Messi or if SAF built around Rooney instead of CR7 when both played together.

All that to say, no matter how good some players are, you'll never see it if the system is not built around them. Palmer is good for Chelsea but was meh at City because the team was not built around him. City just couldn't build around him because it made better sense to do it around KdB or Haaland.

I'm indirectly saying, if England built around Foden they'll more likely win than if it was around Kane, Saka, Jude etc. And I stand by that.

airmark:


Kane got 2 Epl golden boots at 23 before clocking 24. YES or NO?



Were you at Yabaleft, eating mango peels, when you typed the emboldened below regarding Kane's goal scoring ability?




Eruditor, do you want to lose your testes this time?

Stop wasting my time with your childish rigmaroles. Had Kane won more individual awards at the same age?

Foden is a midfielder so he is not expected to score at the level of an elite striker but he had already shown better scoring ability than Kane from their breakout days. That is the interpretation to people who understand English. It means when given the chance earlier in their careers, Foden showed he could do it faster than Harry Kane.

Therefore Foden's ability to adapt to anything is more advanced at an earlier stage than Harry ended up showing. That is credit Foden.

You should consider a career in working drill bits 'cos you're a boring tool.

forgiveness:


Kane's positions

This is not exactly telling right? Son and Richarlison never really played the striker role with Kane on although that is what the formation will suggest right?

And Tottenham can win a penalty with Kane playing as the goal keeper. He will still take it and most likely score.

The data you're presenting is not very representative. Kane plays 2 positions adequately.

WhoDeyHause:

If you say foden is more versatile then we have no choice but to agree with you but when you say talent you have to be slide tackled cause most of the skills you are calling for foden Kane can do it too despite being a striker. He can score, pass, cross, has good movement and off the ball runs, technique, decent dribbler for a big striker even if he's not close to foden.
So?

I am not rubbishing Kane.

Do you know Lars Ricken? He was probably more talented than Ballack but Ballack achieved more because of injuries.

What you achieve and your talent level do not always correlate. Foden has more talent than Kane. Neymar is more talented than many other players in history but he never won the ballon dor or WPOTY.

WhoDeyHause:

Talent, Talent as if goalscoring is not a talent on it's own. How many strikers record the amount of goals and assists Kane had in an ambitious less club? He then proved in England it wasn't a fluke by winning the world cup golden boot and becoming England's highest goal scorer. If foden likes let him play monkey post too and be the most versatile player in the world he has to also have a big impact for his country asides from his world class team to stand any ground.
And he also has to finish as the best goal scorer and best assister in a single season.

Again you're missing the point.

Scoring goals is a talent and Kane has it in abundance. But that is 1 talent. Think of Van Nistelrooy or Alan Shearer. They had that talent too.

Kane can also pass the ball at an elite level. That is another talent but this time RVN and Shearer don't have those same attributes so I can say Kane is more talented than both. You won't play RVN or Shearer as 10s if Henry has to play as the striker but you could do that for Kane.

Now use the same metric to judge Phil Foden.

WhoDeyHause:

Baba there's no measure yet you can use to call foden a more talented player than Kane unless he maybe scores like messi or Ronaldo not being a fixed striker. There's a reason why apari wanted Kane by all means in 2021 before levy's greed pushed him away. Kane isn't a fixed center forward like haaland mostly waiting for balls, he moves like a striker even coming deep into the midfield to get the ball or orchestrate plays. He moves just like benzema while still topping it with much goals too.
Kane finished as the top scorer with 23 goals and also the top assister with 14 assists in the premier league. For 7th position tottenham. The last person that did that was Andy Cole in 1994. We will wait to see if foden will do that too.

You're not understanding the argument.

Talent just means which of them has more attributes that can be employed more on a football pitch.

Kane is excellent at scoring and linking up. He is meh in other things. Not quick. Can't dribble. Can't play more than 2 positions.

Think of things this way. If you had Messi or R9 or Rooney. You won't need Harry Kane. They can do what he does, but then influence the game in other ways.

Foden can play LW, RW, SS, false 9 even though he is an excellent 10. So even if he cannot bench KDB as a 10, Pep can still play him in LW and RW without much negative impact. In other words Foden can do more. Hence he is more talented.

That does not mean he is at Kane's current level.

airmark:


At Foden's age, Kane had won 2 Epl golden boots, 2 England's player of the year awards, and World cup golden boot. Foden has nothing close to highlight his prowess.

As we speak, they are thinking of changing Bundesliga to KANEdesliga.

Eruditor, don't stretch it (your arm leg).

You are typing off tangent and lying while at it.

Foden is 23. Harry Kane's first golden boot in the EPL was 2016 when he was 23. Harry Kane is a striker by the way.

Foden had won a world cup for England at U-17 when he was 17. Where was Harry at 17? On Loan at Leyton Orient. Stop lying.

Foden had already won PFA Young player and EPL Young Player of the season back to back when he was 21 and 22 respectively. Kane won it ONCE at 21.

We are talking talent level of players and you are telling me a striker has more goals than a midfielder. Educated people don't argue that way.

WhoDeyHause:

When did jorginho win ballon dor?

I even thought he won it in 2021. Well Scholes never finished on a podium right?

Now I don't believe Jorginho was ever at Scholes level. I am just showing why that logic is not fail safe.

Sportsweb:
Total bullshit.

Foden is nowhere near Kane's level.

Foden isn't even better than Saka and Rashford.


I only blame Spurs Sha.

You need to reply like you understand the argument.

I did not say Foden is at Kane's current level.

I said Foden has MORE talent A.K.A can do more on a football pitch than Kane. And by the end of their careers it will be CLEAR as day.

popizaino:


After all this Kane is still the undisputed No 9 for England.

Kane can play across the attacker,can support,can play from the wing.

Kane can only play 9 and 10. He cannot play across the front 3 as he is not quick. So that puts paid to him playing from the wings. He cannot.

His goal scoring is one of his talents which nobody is refuting however he is a striker. That is the first talent he is supposed to have. Kane is worldclass. I am talking about him vs Foden in terms of quantity of talent.

Foden can play LW, RW, SS and false 9. He is a natural 10 yet until this season you barely ever saw him play there.

zeusis:

Wilshere?

Wilshere was very talented but he did not produce long enough to maximize it so we'll never know.

andrewbaba44:


Rooney is far far talented than foden or any current English player

He is not.

Foden was the U-17 World Cup Golden Ball winner. All these nonsense I am reading here is because he is a City player. Imagine people even blatantly lying and talking off point just to talk him down. LOL

Joezinho:

Same Phil Foden of man city or another one?

The same one. If there is any fact I put there you can challenge it by proving it is false.

Joezinho:


Just a goal scorer at 22 years old.

Yes he won that for just being a goal scorer. Jorginho has won that award right? He is better than Scholes.

1. Kane cannot play 5 positions adequately. Kane plays just a couple.
2. Kane does not have the same close control and dribbling.
3. Kane did not have the goal scoring ability at the same age.
4. Kane did not have the individual awards at the same age.
5. Kane could not break into far less quality teams at the age Foden did.
6. Kane did not show the same passing range at the same age.

The only English player with similar talent range as Foden was Rooney - not even Owen who was just a goal scorer.

Bacteria8:


PTSD ?? Real Madrid ?? Lol 😅

Anyways, we shall see

Yeah, 4-0. The game Vini and Valverde said was the worst and most intimidating of their lives. The one RM only mustered 13 passes after 20 mins.

Capaldi:

You type too much hogwash.

Hmmm.

Bacteria8:


I respect your analysis.

So you mean that the tie is greatly dependent on home advantages...??

If yes, what if Madrid took the first advantage by beating City with a very wide margin in the first leg ??

Home advantage goes both ways you would agree yes ?

Madrid cannot beat City by a wide margin. Since Pep took over City they've been better than RM and nothing we have seen this season can upend that.

Madrid can win City at the Bernabeu but I think it can only be by a goal margin which City can easily overcome at the Etihad.

People hype LFCs record at home but forget to concede that City have been perfect too especially per the UCL. And Madrid still have PTSD from last season.

Spy360,

You're correct. Hope you're not dissuaded by the propagandist group-think nonsense people are poking your way. You'll never find a more incompetent villain than this Biden-led band of globalists.

Apparently ISIS conveniently kills innocents in Russia as a motivation for Ukraine to get more US funding. Have you ever seen that type of malaria logic before?

ISIS always shows up when a failed war is losing steam . Now Putin has to react and of course the US via the CIA have also conveniently become the good guys who warned bad bad Russia about an impending terrorist attack. The same WARNING Biden and then Victoria Nuland gave before Nordstream was destroyed by wait for it. . . Russia itself. LOL. <--- according to US media.

popizaino:


Real Madrid na easy draw?


Calling the best team in the competition an easy draw only confirms what have always said about you.

Manchester City is the best team in the competition by every possible metric.

raumdeuter:
Interesting draw,

Gnabry back to London.
He destroyed Stamford Bridge and Spurs stadium last times he visited London

Kane to stop by to visit friends

unfortunately our fans won't be at the Emirates, as we are serving a ban

Second leg is at your ground. No excuses.

The 2nd leg is at the Etihad.

I think that is the major reason I am pretty sure City are through.

Godx:
Disgraceful performance from Haaland, Rodri and Alvarez.

Nah. Rodri played well. He could not overcommit after the yellow card.

Alvarez was largely poor and caused Rodri's yellow when he lost the ball and Rodri had to foul to stop LFCs counter.

Rodri has been playing his and Gundo's role all in one. I don't know when Pep will quit this Alvarez experiment. I know he works hard and has a striker's instinct to arrive in the box but he is not great in possession. Loses the ball with his first touch and gets breezed by in midfield when defending.

raumdeuter:


But Pep starts him in all the big games ahead of Grealish

No. Grealish has been injured most of the season especially after Doku's initial gra gra.

spillo1:

He left Chelsea by mutual consent. Great coaches gets sacked and it doesn't diminish their achievements. Ancelloti has been sacked ditto Hansi flick, Conte, allegri etc

Mourinho was fired twice.

Mutual consent is firing. It is a euphemism for firing someone politely.

oliverano:


Foden is better than Saka...locked bawo lol!

Worse case scenario, Foden on the left, Saka on the right. Foden will start games for England either on the left or as a goal keeper.

Foden nah comfam Agba!

I wished you wouldn't discuss Foden here. You have to understand the type of arguments people make here where everybody's player is better than City players until Pep is involved and then they conveniently become world class. That's why I don't indulge in the Foden vs Saka arguments.

Foden is like Rooney. Versatile players never get truly rated because they are the easiest pieces to move around for the balance of a team. It is why anyone thinks it is a debate worth having to decide if Foden (the most talented English player of his generation) should start for his national team. People are even talking about Jude Bellingham that will be lucky to retire with Foden's current trophy hall and achievements.

Raumdeuter you see what I told you about Doku?

I thought you guys said coaching Bayern was easy?

If you torture the video data long enough, it would confess anything you tell it to.

IYKYK