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nihilistjnr:
The guy has been giving us fake gist since last week though!

E never do?

Virtually any gist about APC, once I see he is the source of information, I usually dismiss it as nonsense.

No vex PDPGuy. You are a cool dude oh. Just being honest.

nihilistjnr:
PDPGuy needs to be banned from this section. The guys just dey give us plenty fake news

ah an!

You want PDPguy to give real gist about APC?

Trevor012:
This is coming from someone who keeps attacking another moniker on different issues because he said you wrote rubbish

Approval Addiction. That is what some people are suffering from. The best remedy for such people is to ignore them to oblivion. It burns their soul. Godx is a master at it and I have adopted his strategy. Once I see one account in my mentions, I just scroll past without reading it.

Skrrrrrrr:
The story of that Finals was thoroughly rewritten in favour of LeBron completely sidelining Kyrie. LeBron averaged 29PPG in that series while Kyrie averaged 27. They got thoroughly walloped the first 2 games, won game 3, lost game 4. Then Draymond got suspended and the rest is history.
Kyrie averaged more PPG than Steph in that series but the media would have us believe LeBron carried a bunch of bums to the finals.
LeBron's team were arguably better on a player by player basis.

And you are right; that is why Kyrie left.

Skrrrrrrr:
The story of that Finals was thoroughly rewritten in favour of LeBron completely sidelining Kyrie. LeBron averaged 29PPG in that series while Kyrie averaged 27. They got thoroughly walloped the first 2 games, won game 3, lost game 4. Then Draymond got suspended and the rest is history.
Kyrie averaged more PPG than Steph in that series but the media would have us believe LeBron carried a bunch of bums to the finals.
LeBron's team were arguably better on a player by player basis.

They were and he built it that way. Beginning of 2014-15 season the consensus is Cavs win it all because Lebron is returning to play with Kyrie and Love. The media were wrong because 5th seeded (by prediction) GSW wins it all. That is why they get Iguodala voted FMVP. To make it look like they were not really wrong, injuries just made them wrong.

Following season, Green confesses that GSWs motivation to go 73-9 is fuelled by all the disrespect from the media inspite of Warriors winning it all the previous season. Cavs vs Warriors is 3-1 and the injury excuses of the previous season is going down the drain so they lobby to get Green suspended even though LeBron did step over him when he is on the floor.

Steph is ejected game 6 when Warriors are so close in the 4th Q. The refs report will admit that 3 of the fouls were simply phantom. The NBA is never going to let up on seeing a game 7.

Game 7, Cavs win fair and square but hail Mary 3 from Kyrie and super block by James without which Warriors win because it was such a close game.

Yet someone will tell us how Warriors could never have won Cavs in those 2 years. lol

Blueelf:
Lebron was better than all GSW starting 5 without durant and you know it

If it wasn't so, why call KD and not any other "decent replacement"

Let's call a spade a spade. Curry chokes in finals and is very inconsistent. Draymond was never going to be able to hold Lebron. He is also an offensive liability

Cavs would've taken both series in my opinion

Your argument in essence is senseless. Let me show you why. LeBron and AD lobbied to get Kawhi on the Lakers when he was leaving Toronto. They will end up winning it all even though Kawhi did not come. What does that tell you?

If whoever they got to fill up the roster still helped them to win without Kawhi will you turn around to ask them why they went for Kawhi knowing they could win without him?

Kawhi would have made them practically unbeatable. Same thing KD did for GSW.

Skrrrrrrr:
LMAO... LeBron lost the first encounter with these guys for their first title.
Asides the meltdown, he also needed an otherworldly performance from Kyrie in those 3 games. Kyrie averaged over 30 points in each of those games, including that game ending shot over Steph.
Yet you guys try to make the entire win about LeBron. This is why Kyrie left.

I have made this argument here. A lot of people don't know the power of the media in guiding the takes and perspectives that they have. This idea that Lebron was outplaying everyone in the series is nonsense for instance but the media used it to justify his FMVP that 2016 that they convinced average basketball minds to accept it.

Lebron was trash games 1 and 2. He stayed on in both games to get his ppg up even when Kerr would rest Steph and Klay in the 4Q because GSW had huge leads in those games.

Game 3, Lebron was very good but so was Kyrie. Without BOTH being so good, Cavs don't win.

Game 4, Steph Curry plays both players off the court. Warriors now lead 3-1.

Lebron came alive in the series after game 4. He was excellent in games 5 and 6 and good in game 7. Kyrie was excellent games 5 and 7 and good in 6.

If Kerr cared about Curry averaging big numbers, he would have kept him on in games 1 and 2 when Warriors already led by 20+ in those 2 games.

Revisionism is very bad and misleading.

A40:
No you're trying to hang the outcome solely on the absence of Klay
but he didn't miss the entire series. He played in 5 of a possible 6 games.

If they won the game it would not be mentioned that he missed the last quarter. Bottomline is he played! This argument is as lazy as claiming the Warriors lost to the Cavs cos Draymond Green was suspended in Game 5 but he played Games 6 and 7 that they lost so what gives?

lol you are probably replying someone else because the person on this end did not hang any outcome on Klay. I am the one who has been saying you don't know what happens if Klay stays. You are the one saying, whether Klay plays or not as long as KD is not there Warriors lose. Yet there is no evidence for what you are saying and if anything, the scanty evidence supports me. Go back and review the debate, you'll see it.

A40:
Fear God oh. And stop twisting the point of the argument. Even if you're adamant that a team that won 12 fewer games than the previous season didn't regress at least have the honesty to admit that the Rockets were shorthanded when the Warriors faced them.

He could have as well lost two games but the sample size showed that the Rockets won 60% of the games CP3 played. The Warriors were yet to win back to back games to that point with CP3 on the floor. You have no evidence that they could have

Anyway you're free to believe what you want to believe. If the Warriors lose to Boston this will be their 3rd straight failure at beating a complete team without Kevin Durant. Simple and short

I told you that I am rebutting your argument primarily on your inconsistency. If you would allow contexts all the time, then yes, I agree with you - they were underhanded.

But if you choose context while it is convenient for you and then ditch it right after when it is not, I have to disagree with your answer. For e.g If you want to insist on GSWs lack of FINALS winningness without KD, mention the other variables that form part of the equation. C'est fini.

A40:
You're trying to pretend like Klay Thompson played 4 games from a possible 6. This is cap

Klay Thompson played Game 6 and missed a quarter. There's no guarantee he makes the shot in back to back games. By your logic Steph Curry who scored 21 points after the first quarter on Thursday should have finished with 60pts. MJ once scored 35pts in a half and made 6 3pters in the Finals. He finished with 39 pts!

I didn't read the majority of your long story but the crux of the argument is him getting hurt does not stop the Warriors from winning the same way him playing the 4th quarter doesn't stop the Warriors from losing. We just saw Jimmy Butler miss a whole half and the Heat still beat Boston.

Attempting to erase the 32 whole minutes Klay Thompson played is dubious.

No, the long story was that while I said we don't know what that game 6 outcome is in his availability (hence, why I don't count it as a W or L), you insist that you do all because you have the confession you want (GSW can't win without KD) and now want to see how you can torture the data to do the confessing for you.

Skrrrrrrr:
For all the talk about the warriors scoring option, only curry came to the finals.
Klay and Poole still chilling in Dallas.

And for all the talk about Curry not having many clutch moments, games like this are the reasons for it. The man basically sat out the rest of the 4th Q.

As for Klay, he has that 1 or 2 games out of 6 in him. Hopefully he shows up in at least one of TD Garden games so we can take an away game (at the very least) to continue our streak of always winning a game away from home.

birdman:
If you were talking about the early season celtics, yes, you prefer Tatum to go off and keep the rest of the team cold. But these guys have gelled, and they are comfortable with Tatum getting his while they play other roles. Notice Jaylen's 4Q takeover. Previously, he and Smart would have been trying to force the issue in Q2, Q3.

Warriors will have to get really technical to win this series. As in matchups, substitutions, foul trouble. Curry was hot for 1Q, but they still lost. Curry cant be hot then 4 games in a row. The one thing Warriors have over Celtics is ball movement. Celtics really didnt solve that in game 1.

My point was that Tatum getting 40 takes the ball away from Horford, White and Smart who did the major damage in the 4th Q.

Yes, Curry was hot but then Draymond, Poole and Klay had mid to bad games and even if Tatum shot the ball poorly, Horford, Smart and White outshot their average. If Tatum goes back to his mean (say he scores 30) and the other role players do same (they don't shoot 15/23 3s), they lose that game. It is a game of fine margins.

You don't go from a 38-24 Q to a 40-16 Q based on technicalities alone. Streaky shooting from the team that won can also be factored to explain such a huge swing.

A40:
You guys are so funny. Like the 18/19 Rockets are even similar to the 17/18 iteration that had the best record in the league vs a 4th seed

The Warriors were down 3-2 to the 17/18 team before CP3 got hurt end of Game 5. I have some snake oil to sell you if you believe that is the same team at the same level as they were the previous year

Your argument style is vacillating between 2 poles- you contextualize and then categorize at the same time.

17/18 Rockets with essentially the same core is not the same as the Rockets of 18/19 because of their regular season record (context) yet you are sure that because they led 3-2 with CP3 injured, it helped the Warriors win 4-3 (category).

My response to that is, was CP3 not playing when his team lost 2 games? I hope you see it. He could have as well lost 2 games again, no?

If you say no, what proof do you have? The only other perfect situation was next season and he lost again this time without KD but you say we should ignore it because of their regular season record. lol

A40:
They lost 3 games with Klay playing not 2. He played 32 minutes of Game 6. Had they won you would not discard that data. I don't know why you're discarding it cos they lost.

The final outcome of the game is immaterial. He played 32 minutes. It would be no different if he was in foul trouble and had his minutes limited would you say he didn't play? Game 6 Bulls vs Jazz. Scottie Pippen played 25 minutes. Would you say he didn't play?

There is no law that says a player must play all 48 minutes before we argue whether they played or not

Klay Thompson was present in 3 losses. Same way if the Warriors won we would also say Klay Thompson was present in 3 wins

I wish you can see you are making my argument for me.

If you claim Klay Thompson was there for that game 6 loss then you cannot in the same breath claim injury when a player is absent from his team's loss against GSW. That is why you can either be categorical with your argument or contextual you cannot be both at the same time.

Kawhi was there when his team led GSW by 22 points or so and then lost by 20+ without KD in that same season. Kyrie and Love played in the regular season of 2014 and GSW beat them.

If you change the context to regular season vs playoffs, I can as well show you another situation where your argument will fail. For e.g, Klay hit the winning shot against Memphis this season, and Raptors used 2 FTs to end that 114 v 110 game 6 after Steph and Iggy missed 3 PT attempts back to back before fouling the rebounder. What is to say Klay who was hot in that game does not hit it, GSW lead by 1 and Raptors lose the game? They had just lost game 5 the same way.

If you cannot say, then you cannot be categorical about Klay playing game 6 when the team lost. After all, his team was up with 1 Q to go in that same game and he was not available to impact the game when it was lost which is your argument for Kawhi, Kyrie etc. which is not the same technically if he had fouled out.

A40:
Una go beg Kevin Durant again las las.

Omo. This Celtics na squad mehn. Any other team would have packed it in after that 3rd quarter. The way they methodically cut into the lead those first 2 minutes of the 4th before going into that run

We saw him against the same Celtics. We don't miss him.

I watched this same team game 1 against the Nets and concluded they have what it takes to win it all.

But I don't get down over one loss in the same way I won't get high over one win. Steve Kerr will tell you he prefers Tatum to score 40 pts than for Horford, Smart and White to hit 15/23 3s or score 70 points.

The series reminds me of GSW vs OKC in 2016. I hope it favors GSW still.

A40:
Yeah you would have missed Bogut's 3 points and 3 rebounds in that series

The Rockets were the 8th seed ffs have some shame. Vs Portland KD played 2 of the 4 games. I don't know why you're bragging about beating inferior teams.

KD-Klay and Draymond can't beat Lamarcus Aldridge, Rudy Gay and Ginobili who was like 42??

Stop this without Klay nonsense vs the Raptors. He played in 5 of a possible 6 games.

Cavs beat up inferior teams when Love was hurt but when facing a team of equal quality they were shorthanded while the Warriors were complete. Those are the facts on ground for the 15 season

What does what happened the previous season have to do with the beatdown San Antonio were serving in the Oracle? The Warriors were down by 27 before Zaza took Kawhi out. You want to use the Raptors with Klay missing 1 quarter as an excuse but I can't use Kawhi missing the series?

Rockets were up 3-2 and lost their second or arguably their best player. Can't talk about Klay when CP3 lost 2 full games

No team has caught more breaks than the Warriors against evenly matched competition

I can nitpick the same way but the larger point will be missed.

Case in point is the 2018-19 WC SFs against the Rockets with their CP3 and everybody in tact when it is 2-2. This is a replay of 2017-18 only this time KD gets hurt. Warriors then go on to beat Rockets 4-2. That is the best example of a Klay, Steph and Draymond led team still winning a team everyone claimed would have beat them without KD.

A40:
Same way Raptors won 4-2. For each Warriors injury I would show you more significant ones on the other team.

The Warriors had no advantage over the Raptors. Klay being there only meant at best they won Game 6 but the game was still in the balance anyway. Klay played 32 mins in that game 6. He was present for 3 losses. Not 2

You are intentionally missing the point. Yes GSW lost 4-2 nobody is arguing that. We are telling you that GSW did not lose 4 games with Klay playing. The games Klay played GSW won 2 and lost 2 against Toronto. Klay missed game 3 and when he was playing game 6 GSW had not lost. So you don't have data to show that with Klay playing with Steph etc, GSW would have lost that series. Not saying whether it is true or not, you just don't have data for it.

A40:
Nobody absolutely nobody has benefitted from injuries like Golden State. Who was injured in the Cavs series? Andrew Bogut? LOL. Abeg

2015
They beat the Cavs who were missing Love and Kyrie

2017
Beat the Spurs thanks to Zaza taking Kawhi out with the Spurs blowing out Golden State in Oakland

2018
Beat the Rockets thanks to Chris Paul getting hurt while the Warriors were down 3-2 after Game 5

Several games with key players injured in multiple title runs.

Again the Warriors issue was not getting to the Finals. They did that before Kevin Durant came. This is their 3rd attempt at winning a Finals without him. They have only succeeded once at this. So nothing like they are good for two rings. They absolutely need to win

Will GSW beat Cavs in 2015 without Iggy? So why will anyone laugh if we say we lost that game without him? That is the same way with Bogut playing we were 3-1 up against the Cavs in 2016. There is no special spin anyone can give to it.

That 2015-16 Rockets played GSW without Steph, 2016-17 we beat Portland without KD
2017-18 we beat Spurs first round without Curry
2018-19 we beat the Rockets/Portland without KD
2018-19 we lose to Raptors without KD and Klay

If we are going to nitpick, Cavs played all playoffs without Love and lost game 1 with Kyrie playing. Kawhi 67-15 played against OKC and got beat 4-2 in 2015-16 but somehow will beat the 73-9 warriors with KD playing. How?

If you want to say this is 3rd final without KD that is fine, but you cannot use injuries for Cavs in 2015 and then belittle the warriors injury in 2016.

A40:
Klay was present in 3 of the Warriors losses. Stop pushing the narrative that he was absent for majority of the series. He missed essentially a game and a quarter.

They were hot and Klay was cooking but they were only up 2. 2 friggin points

Warriors beat Cavs 4-2 in 2015, OKC 4-3 in 2016, Rockets 4-3 in 2018 etc. Warriors usually don't win series 4-0 (that is the point).

Klay was present for 2 of the 3 confirmed losses and at the same time the Raptors had lost 2 games with him playing. So it was 2-2 with Klay and Steph against a raptors that had homecourt in that finals which means they were a solid team. You might say Klay left the game with GSW being 2 pts up but GSW lost that game by 4 without Klay who already had 30. That is how important he was.

Mynd44:
Every politician (everywhere in the world) serve their personal interest first

Please can you help sanitize the basketball thread? I am guilty of derailing the thread and I want all the posts with us exchanging words removed from the thread. Thanks.