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Khanben:
Green is a 3x DPOY,if Draymond is a role player then Rodman, Ben Wallace, Mutombo are all role players.
Now it is Steph that helped Klay get all-star selection, so Klay is not one of the 5 greatest shooters ever? Please Fera God

lol. You don't know who you are talking to. Draymond 3× DPOY? That is news to me.

So when someone is a great shooter it means all star selection? Steve Kerr, Tim Legler and co did not get the memo then. Lol

Khanben:
Oga you do not watch games at all. Saying Luka does not have a post just shows you don't watch basketball. Luka that was backng down a 7ft center does not have a post game. Oha fear God

I am pretty sure even Kyrie will have some highlights of posting up players. Just like McGee and Howard have made 3 pt shots. That does not mean they have it in their repertoire. I hope you get it.

Khanben:
People can revise history no be small. I am hearing mamba mentality up and down. Show me where Kobe made it past the 2nd round with Shaq or Gasol with all his mamba mentality. Same Kobe that lost a finals to Billups and co, don't even get me started abeg

You are now talking without reading. We are actually panning mamba mentality. That is the point.

Thanos:
Not fire of emotions oga. Hindsight sha. Now everybody is yapping. If the series was 3-0 the other way round, we won't be having this argument. Hell, if my boys did not choke in GM2, we won't be here. It's your time. Enjoy abeg.

You choked game 2 because the Warriors are playing better than you. Nets also led Celtics by 15 or so in game 2 and still lost. Is it by shooting 3 pt shots without knowing you will drop down to the mean? Did Luka not see his team losing? What did he do about it?

Khanben:
The team in 91-93 had better players, that is why they won, Phil has never won without MJ, Shaq or Kobe in his team. That tells me it's not just his system, but also the caliber of players he had.
As for the Mavs, have you actually watched any of the games, or are you just reading box scores. Every single player on the Mavericks apart from Luka is a role player and that is a fact.

Was Draymond not a role player? When Steph was out was Draymond not the laughing stock of the NBA? When did Wiggins do anything of note for GSW without Curry playing? What about Klay? I hope you can see how you made my points for me. Curry helped all those people get the all star selections they got. Without him, they were all treated as bad to mid players.

Thanos:
You know. I am beginning to to feel like you have an agenda against luka? Are you sure you've watched him play? The only area jokic has an edge, and that is if we can call it that is in defense. He doesn't make the team better? Literally every player on the mavs had their career years playing with luka. Not a better passer? Lol. Dude, the only reason doncic is not averaging 15 assists a game is because the guys he plays with are very streaky. Not a dynamic scorer? What is the meaning of that sef? He cn score on all three levels, averages more PPG than jokic? Help me out bro because I really don't understand that bolded statement. It's clear as day you do not watch the games so there's no nee dto force the issue.
Well, he could have averaged 40, and remain ringless with a boatload of all stars and All NBA second teams. A good player, but never great. Glad to see he was coached to another direction that made everyone on both sides winners.

Luka is not a more versatile scorer than Jokic. Luka is almost a 1 trick pony. Jokic can post you up, shoot the mid range, 3 pt etc. Jokic is a more versatile passer. Luka's passing game is predominantly collapse the defense and pass to the wings. If they make the shot, good or else nothing. Luka is just expected to score more than Jokic and he does it which is why he is great. If you want to talk about a wobbly roster, then you can make the argument for Jokic which is why he is the MVP. Until then, Luka is still up and coming.

Thanos:
I am not nostradamus egbon. I made a prediction based on my opinion. The prediction failed. That's all. It's not that deep. Moreover, I am a mavs fan, were you expecting me to come and be saying GSW in 4?

So why are you then arguing upandan when you have accepted that your takes are purely just straight from the fire of your own emotions?

Thanos:
You have started. Most NBA analyst still had GSW to win. The ones that choose the mavs mainly said mavs in 6/7. Are GSW the better team? Yes. Is luka the best player on the court? Yes. Those two things do not have to be mutually exclusive bros.

Luka is not the best player on the court. Curry is outplaying him badly. Most analysts did what about GSW? HAHAHA.

Khanben:
One guy has a team with 4 Allstars and the other has a team with 1 allstar and all of a sudden his team is better. Get out of here with your crap

Who are the 4 all stars? Your own previous posts on this matter will be your judge.

Khanben:
PS: MJ got swept in 86 not because of Phil, but because his team was not good enough, heck Pippen had not even been drafted yet.
As for Phil Jackson, show me a team where he has won without having 2 all-nba caliber players. He his like every other great coach a product of the talent he had to work with.

Of course I am not arguing Jordan should have beat the 69 win Celtics with that roster. But I can guarantee you that the Bulls of 91-93 if somehow taken back in time to play that Celtics team would still have lost if MJ was shot hunting like he used to do before Phil. My post was not to undermine Jordan nor to big up Phil, it was to show that scoring 40 and 42 points of ISO- HEAVY basketball does not constitute to being better than the other player who is doing 31 and 32 points. You have to look at the whole scheme and story to see what is truly going on.

Thanos:
Mavs played better against the jazz with Luka absent? Lol. So you are one of those people who believe role players playing far above their averages is sustainable because their best player was absent? You do know kleber was shooting 12/16 from across games 2 & 3. You think he could have maintained that? Bros. Stop it. Just stop it

So if they are not that good what made you predict Mavs in 5? And later 6?

Khanben:
So if we swap Luka with steph, the Mavs will be leading 3-0? Good one

I might be histrionical but the Mavs will be leading the series. We have seen these things so many times. All of your pundits gave the Mavs 5 or 6 to win the series. They are down 3 now and of a sudden they don't have a roster. What a load of tosh.

Thanos:
Like I said, there is no fun if we need to argue rationally. Jokic has an argument because of his 2 MVPS of which people can debate if he deserved them or not as the criteria seems to be changing any season. For Jokic, his ceiling is far lower than doncic's. You can watch him, see the holes i his game that needs improvement, only to realize this man has given you a 30 point triple double, with the win. It's apples and oranges. At the moment, i would say they are exchangeable but i'd give doncic the edge because i jokic can be very passive at times on the offense. Something that would never happen with doncic.
2-Also, lets stop with the whole warriors were robbed, cheated argument. Any team can make a case for one or two calls that changed their season. It's a lazy argument and i won't say further.
3-Curry can not play with mamba mentality because it would make him a worse player. No one would go near a shoot fiist PG who takes 40 shots, of which 20 are 3s no matter how good you are. So, it circles back to what I'm saying, the team construction, situation, and a host of other factors have to align to ensure you are successful. I'd say, no one was more important to the curry you are seeing now than Kerr. If not for him, i doubt we would be seeing curry in the same lighn now.

I am not one of those staunch fans that are oblivious to the flaws of their players and coaches in sync. I may be Steve Kerr's greatest critic here but at the same time I won't let people under rank him. So do not take my response about Luka as my attempt to undermine him. He is legit. But he is simply not better than Jokic. He is not a more versatile scorer, passer and defender and he certainly does not make others better. He is just a basketball savant that needs coaching to take him to the next level. That is it.

And I am not making excuses about the warriors. Everyone keeps saying KDs foot is the reason Nets did not beat the Bucks last season because that 1 extra point would have won them the game. Well, if Memphis had not gotten that extra 1 point at the time of the game, GSW would have been fishing for a 2pt shot and not a 3 pt shot to close the deficit. These things go both ways.

Mamba mentality will make Curry a worse player in efficiency but he will average 38 ppg and what not. If Harden, AI and Kobe got hype for that, why not Curry? Everyone talks about team construction and all that good stuff but they forget that none of those things fell into place without Curry being the type of player that he was and had always been...selfless. Yet we praise Magic for his selflessness and then use that same selflessness to judge Curry, wrongly. It is flawed and common sense will fight it here to a standstill.

Khanben:
Thank you, sometimes when I hear people talk, I wonder if they are watching tennis or golf.
This is a team sport, and they is nothing no one player can do if the other team is way better.
MJ has the highest points scored in a nba playoffs game at 63pts, but you know what, he not only lost that game, he was swept in that series. I watched KG go 3 straight years in his prime without making the playoffs, was that because he was not one of the best 5 players in basketball or because his team was just crap.
You swap Luka with Steph for both teams and the Mavs would have a worse chance of winning 1 game, than they have now.

PS: Steph team last year was not worse than this Mavs team and they couldn't even make the playoffs

Absolute nonsense. If Phil Jackson had not changed Jordan's way of playing he would still have put up big numbers and lost in the playoffs to the Pistons and Celtics alike. His way of hunting his own shots was never going to make his team a winning one and Jordan adjusted. Then swapping Luka with Steph and the Mavs would be leading 3-0. How you affect winningness is not the shots you took or the points you garnered but how you got those points whilst maximizing the talents or lack of it around you. Without Steph's gravity, every body else on that GSW roster will play far worse than they currently are playing but we saw the Mavs roster play better against the Jazz without Luka. I won't even touch the completely bogus point about the GSW roster last season. That does not qualify as a basketball take.

Thanos:
1- Basketball is the game of Hot tajes so I’ll oblige. Only during Luka’s rookie season was Steph above him in anything, since then, Luka has shown, and proven to be the better player. This is not a knock-on Steph, it’s just the reality. When Steph was asked to do more with less, just this last season, he put up otherworldly numbers only to be bounced in the play-in. The exact same situation Luka is in now, only that the baby Goat against all odds, managed to drag this sorry ass excuse for a team to the WCF.

Cap. Luka is not better than Jokic. I already said it here. Nobody in this current era of basketball can put up more numbers than Curry if he had that mamba mentality (because he shoots better than everyone at his worst). But mamba mentality won't make other players around you good and it certainly would not win you anything. Warriors roster in 2019-21 was the worst in the NBA back to back. 20-21 was only different because Steph was there to play compared to 2019-20 where he got hurt in game 2 or so and GSW won only 15 games.

To put this into context, that G-league warriors team only had scoreless Draymond during the play-in to compete with Lebron and AD and then Ja Morant and his Grizzlies and they lost by 1 point in both games. What's more? That Grizzlies team were awarded a 3-pt shot for a shot that reviews have shown was clearly 2-pt in OT where they won. So the Warriors were essentially cheated having put up more regular season wins than Dame and CJ, Lebron, AD and Westbrook etc. I can name better rosters that won less than the GSW team of last season.

Alot of you are getting a reality check this season. Media, pundits, fans alike. Not just concerning Steph, even Steve Kerr. Only Tim Legler can hoist his head high as he was the only one who never disrespected the warriors to garner click baits.

Don't get me wrong, Luka's day in the sun will come but he is not there yet.

WhoDeyHause:
It is haland that will flop not kounde.

I am not sure you understood my post.

Just wait till Kounde comes and he does not do as well as expected. Hensben will tell us it was not a Tuchel signing but a Boehly signing.

Messi should have gone to Burnley to prove he is a good player. Ronaldo should have gone to Norwich. Lewandowski is a fraud if he does not sign for Bochum. Anyone can score goals playing for Bayern Munich.

Do you people's brain not pain you when you type foolish arguments like this?

andrewbaba44:
At least he didn’t go out of the group stage like conte who is a regular customer there

Klopp has made more CL finals than FA cup finals. That must mean that the FA cup is more difficult to win than the CL and Wenger is the best manager of the last 20 years. That is literally the type of stupid arguments you have to read here.

raumdeuter:
This is the city they said wasnt struggling to make top 4 before Pep

But City made the UCL Semi finals. Unlike Chelsea that won the UCL and got a 100M player are allowed to finish 3rd with less points than Mancity in 2016-17.

I wonder why you people are replying hensben.

Top scorers without a traditional striker.

Getting closer.

We dey here.

raumdeuter:
City wanted Alexis, Fred Jorginho too but was hijacked yet its useless coaches we will be hearing tales like he didnt want this and that despite flying to watch the player in person

Cuntay even bought Morata before leaving Juventus and didnt get the opportunity to play him

On this thread, I have shown a few months ago that Conte wanted Morata just like he wanted Rudiger and Bakayoko. The only argument Chelsea fans can make is that they were not his first choice players per position to which I will agree. Rudiger was the next choice to VVD and Morata was the next choice to Lukaku. Conte's anger was that the valuation of his first choice players was rejected by Chelsea.

People forget that Liverpool were supposed to have got VVD the summer before he actually came for 50M but they choked the deal which annoyed Southampton so they upped his price to 75M. This is what put Chelsea off and Liverpool knowing they were going to receive Coutinho money added the 25M extra and got the player. Same with Lukaku who was valued at 70M but when United raised their bid to around 90M with add-ons Chelsea could not compete so they went with their next choice.

Conte simply wanted the board to pay whatever the selling club wanted and Chelsea board would not do it. End of story.

andrewbaba44:
No wahala

But What statement did I mad about stones biko

Not saying you made a statement about Stones. I am saying if Stones was signed this season but Pep was using him at RB you'd think he was a mid player because that is his unnatural position.

raumdeuter:
Conte already signed Morata at Juventus before resigning
Conte wanted Bakatyoko from Monaco

Its only when it comes to certain coaches we start hearing he didnt want this, he didnt want that

As if City did not want VVD as well. As if City did not want Koulibaly, Kane etc. Yet none of those players are at City today. If City were this moneybags everyone claims they are, someone should tell us why they did not get those players.

Almajirihunter:
With Haaland sef Foden will shift to the wings further moving him down the pecking order, but you know city na, them no really need to sell. I’m even surprised they want to release Gundo, maybe after yesterday they’ll reconsider

The only time the big EPL teams need to sell players to buy is if the player they are trying to sign will directly replace the player that they hope to sell. Other wise, all that 'sell to spend' narrative is a recent invention popularized by Liverpool. Meanwhile, City had no plans to release Gundogan. That rumor was started same as the false story that City were going to give Aston Villa extra money for winning the league.

andrewbaba44:
Grealish be like who no go last for mancity

He has a long term contract Sha ,he might just hang around and collect some silverware

Grealish is an epl winner while Harry Kane and son is just there ,this life no balance

You'll be wrong. Just the same way you'd have been wrong about Stones if he was played as a RB the season he was signed. Grealish's natural positions are LCM, LM, CAM and LW. He has never played false 9 but that is where Pep played him in many of the games.

Bluish44:
u fit kill urself if m.city win am..na contract ..no be everything dem dy put for public

You don't do add ons on release clauses.

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PrinceMon101:
I did some screenshots here

Check it out

It was debunked bro. Search for Grealish Aston Villa 15M clause debunked and you'd see Micah Richard's deny it. Even Grealish's agent denied it. I am driving or else I would have sent you screenshots.

[quote author=PrinceMon101 post=113054744][/quote]I said it is bogus. City bought Grealish a release clause of 100M that they will pay for in 3 tranches of 33M each year from this year. There is no 15M clause. Even the Micah Richard they quoted has come out to deny it.