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He that is the friend of the world is an enemy of God. Don't set yourself against God. Desist from worldliness.

JESUS is coming. Stay ready in absolute repentance, watchfulness and holiness.

Stay ready. We are almost there!

Forsake sin. Live holy

The great tribulation has started. The glorious church which is the bride of Christ will be raptured out of it.

Stay ready in absolute repentance, watchfulness and holiness.

He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.

Motivation speaking can not save a soul.

Prosperity preaching cannot cast out demons...

Only the gospel of repentance in Jesus Christ can save souls and heal hearts.

It has always been the practice for the devil to raise evil laws with the children of God as his targets.

He did for Daniel in Babylon. He did for shedrack, Meshach and Abednego..

This time around, he will do it with aim of getting you.

ochibuogwu5:
Another Vital point missing is love for other human beings who are not BELIEVERS or practicing a different religion outside of faith in Jesus Christ…
We should love and respect them no matter their negative aspersions upon Christianity,
We should never pray for their death in *unbelief/sin* rather pray for them that they may receive the grace that the Holy Spirit gives for genuine encounter at the Cross with Jesus Christ for repentance and conversion thus
“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR (fellow man) and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, [c]love [that is, unselfishly seek the best or higher good for] your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may [show yourselves to] be the children of your Father who is in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on those who are evil and on those who are good, and makes the rain fall on the righteous [those who are morally upright] and the unrighteous [the unrepentant, those who oppose Him].” (Matthew 5:43-45 amp)

Because anyone who has been born again in Christ Jesus Crucified carries within him/her the *foretaste vision of Heaven and Hell-fire* which makes him/her to desire *all human being to be in Heaven*
and
does not *wish* any human being to spend eternity in hell-fire no matter how much evil/wickedness the devil and the flesh have used him/her to commit in this world.

Great Grace Brethren

Thanks. God bless you.

Strive to enter in at the straight gate.

onlyforchrist:
antichrist ko, antidote ni. you better wake up from your reverie before Jesus fck ya ass.

antichrist ko, antidote ni. you better wake up from your reverie before Jesus fck ya ass.

are you sure an impostor has not taken over your account?

Alot of conspiracies and deceptions are going on everyhere around the world. Don't fall into the end-time trap and deception.

Let us hasten up our evangelism. Time is at hand.

sexiestharam:
Good morning. Please how do I join the prayer team? I would love to join.

Send email to jesuscoming@yahoo.com and you will receive copies of prayers available.

Blakewilli:
Op, God bless u once again. Your post brought fear upon me but all you said, i hv also seen. We are truly in the last days so we should put our faith and trust in him alone because by our strength alone, we cant make it. For a man is made perfect in Godliness. OP, you should also follow your advice too and pray without ceasing.
shalom

Thank you. I pray God help me to heed your advise in Jesus name.

Stand firm for Christ no matter what happens. Endure to the end.

Resist the devil and it will flee
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Forgiveness brings healing of heart's bitterness. Forgive from your heart.

Cigarette smoking is a sin. Desist from it. Stop killing your organs and yourself gradually.

If you missed the rapture, you will cry, weep and gnash your teeth altogether and that is if you are not caught up in the sudden destruction that comes with rapture.

Jesus is coming. Stay ready in absolute repentance, watchfulness and holiness.

Only Jesus can save. Come out and meet Him.

God is not just interested in your heart alone as some Christians will have you believe. God is equally interested in your body as your heart. The following points will try to underscore the gross importance God places on the body of Christians.

Jehovah is the Most High. There is none like Him.

All the righteousness of men are like filthy rag.

Put on the whole armour of God.

[quote author=solite3 post=87216655]ok thanks. Even though the rapture takes place before the great tribulation but there are saints who would partake of the great tribulation these are called the tribulation saints, they would be killed for their faith in Jesus because they refuse to take the mark of the beast.


Also a huge number of Gentiles shall also be saved.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

[/quote

You said in your reply which I extracted above that
-1. rapture takes place before the great tribulation

-2.the tribulation saints will be persecuted and beheaded by the antichrist

-3. alot of gentiles shall be saved.

From point two, it shows that the tribulation saints cannot be the elects because they are not saved out of the great tribulation. If they were saved out of it, they should not have to die horrible deaths in the hands of God's greatest enemy. It follows that Only those who made the rapture are qualified to be refered to as the elects.

And since you said from point one above that the rapture takes place before the rapture and also said in point 3 that gentiles too will make rapture, and you quoted Revelation 7:9 to bolster your point which I quote below.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How come then in verse 13and 14 John was told that the people you quoted in revelation 7:9 came OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How can you explain this because you cannot come out of something unless you have been in it? It is obvious these people make the rapture because they are constantly washing their garments in the blood of Jesus (they are constantly REPENTING). They are the elects. The tribulation saints became careless with their repentance and salvation and that is why they miss the rapture. Some of them could have even died in the sudden destruction that accompanies rapture and gone to hell.
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solite3:
ok thanks. Even though the rapture takes place before the great tribulation[u] but there are saints who would partake of the great tribulation these are called the tribulation saints, they would be killed for their faith in Jesus because they refuse to take the mark of the beast.


Also a huge number of Gentiles shall also be saved.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

You said in your reply which I extracted above that
-1. rapture takes place before the great tribulation

-2.the tribulation saints will be persecuted and beheaded by the antichrist

-3. alot of gentiles shall be saved.

From point two, it shows that the tribulation saints cannot be the elects because they are not saved out of the great tribulation. If they were saved out of it, they should not have to die horrible deaths in the hands of God's greatest enemy. It follows that Only those who made the rapture are qualified to be refered to as the elects.

And since you said from point one above that the rapture takes place before the rapture and also said in point 3 that gentiles too will make rapture, and you quoted Revelation 7:9 to bolster your point which I quote below.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How come then in verse 13and 14 John was told that the people you quoted in revelation 7:9 came OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, [u]What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How can you explain this because you cannot come out of something unless you have been in it? It is obvious these people make the rapture because they are constantly washing their garments in the blood of Jesus (they are constantly REPENTING). They are the elects. The tribulation saints became careless with their repentance and salvation and that is why they miss the rapture. Some of them could have even died in the sudden destruction that accompanies rapture and gone to hell.

solite3:
ok, I m sorry my tone may be harsh but pardon me, I really commend your effort in your evangelism and want to encourage you to continue in your good work, God bless you.
Alright what are the questions and by God's grace we will search out the scriptures to give us answers.

Your tone is not harsh and I have not been offended; only that I try not to go into argument. I also commend your brotherliness and humility in seeking pardon for a supposed offence.

Mathew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect�s sake those days shall be shortened.

The Lord Jesus Christ said in the above scripture that great tribulation shall arise which has not been its kind since the world began and immediately concluded that if the days of those great tribulation were not shortened no flesh shall be saved and then He said for the sake that the elcts might be saved, the days of the great tribulation were shortened because of them.

Why should the days of the days of the great tribulation be shortened for the elects to be saved out of it, if the elects will not witness some of the days?

solite3:
A day is not usually a day in human sense, for example in 2 peter the heavens and the earth would be destroyed the day of the Lord] if the day of the Lord is one literal day, then it would mean that both the rapture and the final destruction of the heavens and the earth will occur in one human day which is not true biblically because alot of events would take place after the rapture of the church including a 1000 years of Christ reign on earth.

the day of the Lord is also the day that the heavens and the earth would be destroyed.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.




while Christ is the Lord but the day of Christ is different from the day of the Lord. The word Christ means anointed one, the day of Christ mean the period of time Christ will come and reign on earth. It takes place after the rapture
Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

There is also the day of God Almighty even though Christ is Almighty.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

And there is also the day of God again even though Christ is God.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

These different days refers to the various timelines of God in which he would fulfill his purpose, each of this days may overlap but they refers to different timeline.




It is not according to me, check the bible if it is not correct, it is not enough to quote the bible but we must rightly divide it or else we end up misleading ourselves and our readers/audience. 'THAT DAY' in which context? Information was given as per what he meant when he said 'THAT DAY' which should not be ignored and there lies your answer.

Ok. Even though, we don't agree. There are people reading the comments and learning. I will ask you only two questions more and then I will end it there.

solite3:
The day of the Lord and The day of Christ are different.

The day of the Lord refers to the time period from when God will pour out his wrath on the wicked to the final destruction of the heavens and the earth. It begins at the rapture but ends at the destruction of the heavens and earth

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The day of the Lord is will come suddenly without any warning but the day of Christ will be not come suddenly

Compare these verses,

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Something that is sudden mean that there would be no sign, the rapture is the beginning of the day of the Lord but the second coming is part of the day of day of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The day of Christ is not sudden infact paul was saying that they shouldnt be afraid because the day of Christ will not come without a sign or a warning.

For the unbelivers the second coming of Christ is going to be sudden but for believers the signs are known but the day of the Lord has no sign at all so believers must be prepared for it at any moment.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6, 8-9 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of the Lord is always associated with 'the wrath of God' of which believers are not appointed to suffer wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

From what I underlined from your comment

1. How can A DAY = TIME PERIOD? A day is as day; not the beginning of days.

2. The Day of the Lord is the of Rapture it comes suddenly become you will knot know the EXACT DAY it will happen even though God gives signs to alert us that the day is around

3. The DAY of THE LORD is the same as the DAY of CHRIST because Christ is the Lord.

4. THAT DAY, I mentioned in my question, is it the day of the Lord it is referring to or the day of Christ, according to you?

solite3:
the day is not about rapture but about the second coming of Christ when he will come to reward his people. Verse is self explanatory, The man of Sin must be revealed and (not half revealed )before the day of Christ

Thank you for your explanation. Let me ask the second question.

I quoted in my first question and I underlined THAT DAY and you told me it is the time Christ is coming to reward His people.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Now let me quote another scriptures
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

If you consider the underlines in the above, it is very clear that Apostle Paul was talking about THE DAY of RAPTURE.

Then the conversation spilled into 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4which I quote below.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief.

From the tone of the continuation of Apostle Paul in chapter 5, it showed that He was still talking about rapture. The first underlined calls it the day of the Lord and says it cometh as a thief in the night. It is only the day of rapture that cometh as a thief in the night. This agrees with what He has been saying from 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Then he summarised by saying that THAT DAY which refers to the same day of rapture he has been talking about from 1 Thessalonian 4:15-18 up to 1 thesalonian 5:1-4 shoulld not overtake them as thief.

What eplantion do you have for this and how come did you give your own 'THAT DAY' another meaning which did not tally with this in, my first question and you gave no scripture to back your explantion?