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God is not just interested in your heart alone as some Christians will have you believe. God is equally interested in your body as your heart. The following points will try to underscore the gross importance God places on the body of Christians.

Jehovah is the Most High. There is none like Him.

All the righteousness of men are like filthy rag.

Put on the whole armour of God.

[quote author=solite3 post=87216655]ok thanks. Even though the rapture takes place before the great tribulation but there are saints who would partake of the great tribulation these are called the tribulation saints, they would be killed for their faith in Jesus because they refuse to take the mark of the beast.


Also a huge number of Gentiles shall also be saved.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

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You said in your reply which I extracted above that
-1. rapture takes place before the great tribulation

-2.the tribulation saints will be persecuted and beheaded by the antichrist

-3. alot of gentiles shall be saved.

From point two, it shows that the tribulation saints cannot be the elects because they are not saved out of the great tribulation. If they were saved out of it, they should not have to die horrible deaths in the hands of God's greatest enemy. It follows that Only those who made the rapture are qualified to be refered to as the elects.

And since you said from point one above that the rapture takes place before the rapture and also said in point 3 that gentiles too will make rapture, and you quoted Revelation 7:9 to bolster your point which I quote below.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How come then in verse 13and 14 John was told that the people you quoted in revelation 7:9 came OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How can you explain this because you cannot come out of something unless you have been in it? It is obvious these people make the rapture because they are constantly washing their garments in the blood of Jesus (they are constantly REPENTING). They are the elects. The tribulation saints became careless with their repentance and salvation and that is why they miss the rapture. Some of them could have even died in the sudden destruction that accompanies rapture and gone to hell.
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solite3:
ok thanks. Even though the rapture takes place before the great tribulation[u] but there are saints who would partake of the great tribulation these are called the tribulation saints, they would be killed for their faith in Jesus because they refuse to take the mark of the beast.


Also a huge number of Gentiles shall also be saved.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

You said in your reply which I extracted above that
-1. rapture takes place before the great tribulation

-2.the tribulation saints will be persecuted and beheaded by the antichrist

-3. alot of gentiles shall be saved.

From point two, it shows that the tribulation saints cannot be the elects because they are not saved out of the great tribulation. If they were saved out of it, they should not have to die horrible deaths in the hands of God's greatest enemy. It follows that Only those who made the rapture are qualified to be refered to as the elects.

And since you said from point one above that the rapture takes place before the rapture and also said in point 3 that gentiles too will make rapture, and you quoted Revelation 7:9 to bolster your point which I quote below.
Revelation 7:9
After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

How come then in verse 13and 14 John was told that the people you quoted in revelation 7:9 came OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION.

Revelation 7:13-14
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, [u]What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

How can you explain this because you cannot come out of something unless you have been in it? It is obvious these people make the rapture because they are constantly washing their garments in the blood of Jesus (they are constantly REPENTING). They are the elects. The tribulation saints became careless with their repentance and salvation and that is why they miss the rapture. Some of them could have even died in the sudden destruction that accompanies rapture and gone to hell.

solite3:
ok, I m sorry my tone may be harsh but pardon me, I really commend your effort in your evangelism and want to encourage you to continue in your good work, God bless you.
Alright what are the questions and by God's grace we will search out the scriptures to give us answers.

Your tone is not harsh and I have not been offended; only that I try not to go into argument. I also commend your brotherliness and humility in seeking pardon for a supposed offence.

Mathew 24:21-22
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect�s sake those days shall be shortened.

The Lord Jesus Christ said in the above scripture that great tribulation shall arise which has not been its kind since the world began and immediately concluded that if the days of those great tribulation were not shortened no flesh shall be saved and then He said for the sake that the elcts might be saved, the days of the great tribulation were shortened because of them.

Why should the days of the days of the great tribulation be shortened for the elects to be saved out of it, if the elects will not witness some of the days?

solite3:
A day is not usually a day in human sense, for example in 2 peter the heavens and the earth would be destroyed the day of the Lord] if the day of the Lord is one literal day, then it would mean that both the rapture and the final destruction of the heavens and the earth will occur in one human day which is not true biblically because alot of events would take place after the rapture of the church including a 1000 years of Christ reign on earth.

the day of the Lord is also the day that the heavens and the earth would be destroyed.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.




while Christ is the Lord but the day of Christ is different from the day of the Lord. The word Christ means anointed one, the day of Christ mean the period of time Christ will come and reign on earth. It takes place after the rapture
Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

There is also the day of God Almighty even though Christ is Almighty.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

And there is also the day of God again even though Christ is God.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

These different days refers to the various timelines of God in which he would fulfill his purpose, each of this days may overlap but they refers to different timeline.




It is not according to me, check the bible if it is not correct, it is not enough to quote the bible but we must rightly divide it or else we end up misleading ourselves and our readers/audience. 'THAT DAY' in which context? Information was given as per what he meant when he said 'THAT DAY' which should not be ignored and there lies your answer.

Ok. Even though, we don't agree. There are people reading the comments and learning. I will ask you only two questions more and then I will end it there.

solite3:
The day of the Lord and The day of Christ are different.

The day of the Lord refers to the time period from when God will pour out his wrath on the wicked to the final destruction of the heavens and the earth. It begins at the rapture but ends at the destruction of the heavens and earth

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The day of the Lord is will come suddenly without any warning but the day of Christ will be not come suddenly

Compare these verses,

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Something that is sudden mean that there would be no sign, the rapture is the beginning of the day of the Lord but the second coming is part of the day of day of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The day of Christ is not sudden infact paul was saying that they shouldnt be afraid because the day of Christ will not come without a sign or a warning.

For the unbelivers the second coming of Christ is going to be sudden but for believers the signs are known but the day of the Lord has no sign at all so believers must be prepared for it at any moment.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6, 8-9 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of the Lord is always associated with 'the wrath of God' of which believers are not appointed to suffer wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

From what I underlined from your comment

1. How can A DAY = TIME PERIOD? A day is as day; not the beginning of days.

2. The Day of the Lord is the of Rapture it comes suddenly become you will knot know the EXACT DAY it will happen even though God gives signs to alert us that the day is around

3. The DAY of THE LORD is the same as the DAY of CHRIST because Christ is the Lord.

4. THAT DAY, I mentioned in my question, is it the day of the Lord it is referring to or the day of Christ, according to you?

solite3:
the day is not about rapture but about the second coming of Christ when he will come to reward his people. Verse is self explanatory, The man of Sin must be revealed and (not half revealed )before the day of Christ

Thank you for your explanation. Let me ask the second question.

I quoted in my first question and I underlined THAT DAY and you told me it is the time Christ is coming to reward His people.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Now let me quote another scriptures
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

If you consider the underlines in the above, it is very clear that Apostle Paul was talking about THE DAY of RAPTURE.

Then the conversation spilled into 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4which I quote below.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief.

From the tone of the continuation of Apostle Paul in chapter 5, it showed that He was still talking about rapture. The first underlined calls it the day of the Lord and says it cometh as a thief in the night. It is only the day of rapture that cometh as a thief in the night. This agrees with what He has been saying from 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Then he summarised by saying that THAT DAY which refers to the same day of rapture he has been talking about from 1 Thessalonian 4:15-18 up to 1 thesalonian 5:1-4 shoulld not overtake them as thief.

What eplantion do you have for this and how come did you give your own 'THAT DAY' another meaning which did not tally with this in, my first question and you gave no scripture to back your explantion?

Blakewilli:
A spirit filled and Very comprehensive write up. About the light in the sky, i had a similar experience too while i was in my garden communing with God this evening. I saw bright colors of light moving in the sky. At that moment, my soul was electrified. Jesus is coming any moment from now so let us all spread this message of repentance. Bro, sister, aunty ,uncle, stop ignoring Jesus and accept him now. Shalom!

God bless you for sharing.

Repentance is not complete until turning away from sins. Let every Nigerian turn away from his wickedness

He that overcometh shall inherit all things. Strive to overcome.

OLAADEGBU:
God bless you for this spiritual insight. Remain rapturable.

Thank you Olaadegbu. Keep up the good work you are doing for God. He is the Faithul Rewarder. He will reward you accordingly in Jesus name.

Jesus bought you a garment of righteousness for you with His blood but it is you that must maintain the garment by yourself by washing it in His blood till it becomes clean and white.

solite3:
you should be providing scriptures as to why you believe the great tribulation has started.

you seem not to understand where the term 'great Tribulation' comes from. There is no where in the bible that states Christians will partake in the great tribulation or will see apart of it, provide it, if there is. Christians throughout all ages have being passing through tribulation but non of them were termed the great tribulation. You just said great tribulation has started, voila, with no biblical proof.



first of all, the day of Christ is not the same as rapture. Paul was referring to the day of Christ which means the stretch of time when christ will come and reign on earth(the millennium)to the final destruction of the earth.
Secondly, true believers will not fall away and thirdly there are three events that will take place before the day of the Lord which are
1. The great apostasy
2.The restraining power removed
3. Revelation of the antichrist.
The removal of the restraining power will lead to the revelation of the antichrist and without the removal of the restraining power the antichrist cannot be revealed.

Those two things are not happening now but only one.
@bolded qualify as what? Do you know what it means for people to fall away? It means mass exodus from the Christian faith, although the activities of these false prophets will lead people to abandon the Christian faith but the activities of these false prophets are not the mass departure.

This is clearly unbiblical. Please provide scripture. There is nothing like partial revelation of the antichrist. The antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer is removed.

stop misquoting the scriptures. This your theory of partial or full revelation is not taught anywhere in the bible.





They are unrelated. Revelation 17 does not relate to what you are saying.
The bible clearly teaches that the mystery of iniquity is already at work.

2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

A mystery is something that has not being revealed. The antichrist has not yet being revealed but the signs are seen.

Ok. Let us not argue. I only need you to clarify some scriptures for me. And I will be supplying them one after the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What does the bible mean when it says the DAY shall not come UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED?

be care full

@ MrSolite3

I guess you are writing to support the assertion of mrZENographer: who said that the great tribulation has not started, whom I asked to support his standpoint of view with scripture.

Every scripture you quoted up there are true and right on their own. The only thing you did not do is to make reference of them to time of rapture scripturally and I that is what I have done in few of my posts to correct erroneous beliefs.

Many believers believe that becasue it is called great tribulation, true believers should not see part of it. This is erroneous as there is no scripture to back it up. What the scripture backs up is that believers will see a part of the great tribulation before they are raptured. Let me reiterate a few again. I will reply you point by point.

solite3:
Also read
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, 6-12 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Note that the day being referred to as is the day of the Lord.
Jesus is not coming down to this earth until the man of sin is revealed.
However, the man of sin can not be revealed until there is a massive falling away from the faith then he that stands in the way is taken away. He that stands in the way I believe is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is allows the antichrist into the stage by taking the bride of Christ away from this earth allowing a total spiritual darkness remember the church is the only source of spiritual light on earth removing the church would mean people would not know the truth anymore.


This is and will cause many to fall away.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I want to answer you based on the underlined parts of your response

The revelation of the man of sin is in two stages. The first stage of his revelation is given below

2 thessalonia 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (day of rapture) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

In the scripture above, the bible says the day of rapture will not come unless these two things happen

-1. believers fall away
-2. antichrist is revealed

and the bible uses two adjectives except and first to point out that it is not possible for rapture to happen except those two things happen.

The question now is 'have those two things happened'? The answer is capital 'YES'

if all these pastors anointing condoms, pants, feeding people with snakes, using humans for rituals, anointing gay bishops, preaching heresies and the rest that we see on social media does not qualify for believers falling away, I wonder what else will qualify.

The first revelation of the antichrist mentioned in this scripture is not for the whole world to recognise. It is meant for watchmen whom the Lord will reveal the identity of the man of sin to, once he risen up. However the Holy Spirit will ot allow him to operate fully as antichrist, until after rapture, because of believers that are still around.

The second revelation of the antichrist is for the whole world after the Restrainer, Who dwells in Beleivers, have been removed alongside with the believers at rapture. Then there in no one to restrain the antichrist again and then He operates fully as the antichrist

2 thessalonia 2:3
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This explanation above agrees with Revelation 17
Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

where John saw a beast with 7 heads carrying a mystery woman. And it was revealed to John that the 7 heads are 7 kings. One the first 6 kings that had ruled before the 7th king would come back to rule as the 8th king as antichrist. If this king of fierce countenance had to rule as one of the 6 kings before the 7th king and then has to come back as antichrist as the 8th king. That is two times of his revelation.

It is the final revelation of the antichrist is remaining and that will be after rapture.

Revelation 13:8 says ALL that that dwell upon the earth, whose names are NOT written in the book of life shall worship antichrist. The question we should ask is 'Where are those whose names are written in the book of life? They have made the rapture. This is the time of the second revelation of the antichrist; the time of his revelation to whole World.

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Consider this. I will answer the rest of your points on another day,

location?

Bacteriologist:
Bullshït. Homosexual behaviour has been noticed in animals.

Typical Christian who cannot bear the thought of other people enjoying themselves. We really can't wait for rapture to come and take you snowflakes to heaven where all you will do is sing for trillions+ of years.

Good riddance.

If that is the way you have chosen for yourself, continue. Very soon, we shall know who is wise.

solite3:
The new world order is another term for the antichrist government. Read Revelation 13.

quote it and explain

Be very careful. Don't post update for all your actions. Don't post pictures all about. Be careful to accept strangers as friends.

mrZENographer:
The great tribulation has not happened yet. It will happen in the global New World Order after the Rapture of the Saints.

And it's called GREAT TRIBULATION for reason. It will more horrible than the most horrible era in the entire history of human existence. That was the assurance of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24)
Every man in must be mark in the right hand or forehead. Failure to comply will be met with very greivous consequences. This will be global.

Back your stanpoint of view with scripture; not just what you belief

jaephoenix:
There are a lotta nutcases loose in this shithole. Dude, isn't it time you pay a visit to the shrink?

Maybe you meant to comment on another thread

The distress will envelope many nations and the hearts of men will be filled with fears.

JESUS is coming. Stay ready in repentance, watchfulness and holiness.