₦airaland Forum

Vincent gorgeos: Mr Atiku you have not made any point yet, what OBJ said is it true? YES/NO ?

Atiku is VERY CORRECT in what he said- that "he is a fighter for democracy and defender of the constitution" when OBJoke was harrassing him.
His offence? -standing against Baba Iyabo's 3rd term agenda and earlier trying to step in after Ebora Owu's 1st term, expecting the retired General to take the "Mandela option".
Atiku SUCCESSFULLY dragged OBJoke to court, thereby making his impeachment and planned replacement by Governor Mu'azu impossible.
Thereafter he was offered the presidential ticket of Jagabandit Tinubu's AC party in 2007.

However all this does not erase Atiku's kleptomaniac tendencies.
No it does NOT!!!

anonimi: Raymond Dokpesi must have copied the LASG whose governor- BRF, I understand, did not pay LASU salary for 17 months despite the increase in tution fees from 25k to 250k.
And the mumus will continue praising these "heroes"

Just as I said above, the High Chief Thief of AIT is simply following the "progressive" footsteps of Mr. Fashola in LASU.

Idris also alleges that though the university owes lecturers and non-academic members of staff 17 months salary arrears, it has failed to engage in dialogue with the union on how the debt would be paid. He explains that the state government agreed to pay 50 per cent of the arrears, while LASU should pay the remaining 50 per cent. The state government, he says, “has honoured its own part of the deal while the management has offered to pay 20 per cent alongside our July salary, but they are not saying anything about how to pay the rest and we told them that we should meet on this. So far, they have refused to meet with us.”

On this, Fosudo, who describes himself as a member of ASUU, says the 20 per cent has been paid on Friday, together with the July salary, adding that the remaining would be paid soon. Idris confirms this but insists that the method adopted by the management is faulty.

Read Punch for more on the very bad situation in LASU that was set up over 30 years ago by the REAL progressive action governor of Lagos state, Alhaji Lateef Jakande.

How can a state that is aspiring to be 1st world by demolishing slums, deporting "destitutes", building cable bridges etc not pay the salary of workers in its "prestigious" public tertiary institution
What sort of graduates will be produced from such an institution?
Maybe Fashola plans on importing Chinese people to run the fancy, fancy & shine, shine toy projects he is building otherwise they will go to ROT and WASTE sharp, sharp.
This one na real upside down development strategy from the "excellent" governor and "best" administrator whom maradona IBB described as a "gift to Nigeria".
SMH!!!

[quote author=bashy_demy]So you want Fashola to build an estate and sell them for 1million naira per flat? even if its for 1million naira how many people will be able to afford the. My brother Lagos isn't for everybody so if you can't cope with the standard the Government want in lagos, you can go back to your village abi.[/quote]Fashola does not have to sell any estate for "1million naira per flat".
He does not even have to leave the Surulere area of Lagos where he grew up to find out how it was done for those relocated to Onile Gogoro estate right there on Alhaji Masha Road.
But I guess that is not the priority of the "progressive" governor. Or is it

lukaino: I'm not surprised that this is happening at AIT; Something like this is also happening at This Day Newspaper. Their owners live large at the expense of their workers. its a shame.

No wonder we have half-baked journalists in the media these days who simply do copy & paste even of Nairaland stories.
That explains whey they seek out "brown envelopes" of bribe to publish stories.
SMH!!!

Raymond Dokpesi must have copied the LASG whose governor- BRF, I understand, did not pay LASU salary for 17 months despite the increase in tution fees from 25k to 250k.
And the mumus will continue praising these "heroes"

[quote author=ba_aliyah]Nigerians never wanted to make sacrifice even when we know the right thing. When El Rufai demolished shanties, illegal structures and attachment in Abuja, we cried. People who never visited the city before demolition are the ones crying now. Badia and other shanties should be demolished all at once to pave way for the deserved development.It happens everywhere, why should ours be different.I will rather live in a room apartment in my village with rest of mind rather than in ghetto in the name of been a Lagosian.[/quote]I am really very sorry for you.
How much of the history of Lagos do you know?
From how long ago- 50, 100, 300, 500, 900 years ago?
Where do you think the people of Lagos, who lived there BEFORE British colonialists came, are staying today?
Do you realise that Lagos itself was a fishing VILLAGE just a few centuries ago

Please get some MORE education & knowledge on subjects of your interest to make better comments.
Please!!!

ba7man: Good intentions....but are they possible at the moment?? At who's expense will those houses be built?? At what cost?? Are you aware that Lagos State India and Brazil have some of the worst housing situations in the World??

That allocation you're talking about can't do squat.....It can't even run the State and that's why he's resorted to taxation......Which brought it up to par with Akwa-Ibom, a state that has approx 5million people. Is that fair??

The responsibility of providing housing for them is beyond him for now, what he's doin is building Middle class apartments to provide for the growing middle class and sucking up money in the process to further run the State.

The State needs money to be run and continue its growth and that money won't come from building houses for the poor. You need like a special grant to achieve that purpose.

IF Mr. Fashola can reduce to the barest minimum the stealing of Lagos funds by himself, his godfather and their other political cronies there will be more than enough to provide housing for Lagos residents from whom he derives over 60% of his budgeted revenue.
The same goes for pipe borne water and basic education for all at the primary, vocational and secondary school level.

He can however choose to continue robbing Peter (the masses) to pay Paul (his rich constituents & political jobbers) so long as the mumus in Lagos allow him to do so thus creating more street urchins aka area boys like the almajiris in the north.

His legacy will be constantly reviewed and compared with that of his predecessors!

ba7man: There is no other State in Nigeria developing as fast as Lagos right now. Its sad, it hurts me when i see people displaced but logically, I have come to terms with it that its the price that must be paid for that development.

A couple of people will bear the brunt of it but 10yrs down the line, more will benefit from it. Imagine the Facility managing companies that will provide employment to service these estates.

The whole of Nigeria can't be left looking like one great big ghetto. We want our environment to improve without paying the price.

Fashola relocating them all is another issue, their population runs into the millions. Providing housing for that number, would it be free?? Can the State even afford it?? Money should be specially allocated for this purpose from the FG if Fashola's to include housing one of the largest number of slum dwellers in the World in his responsibilities.

Did you see my earlier post about the Onile Gogoro low cost housing
If Fashola is SERIOUS about delivering to the greater number of people who voted him as their 1st public SERVANT he should know what to do. There are so many cities in this world where people have been relocated from slums to other estates in very innovative win-win schemes not the THOUGHTLESS arrangement of Mr. Fashola here.

ba7man: Why don't the anti-poor activists online take their cries to the FG on why 75percent of Nigerians are poor and stop ranting that Fashola should provide housing for the dwellers of one of the largest slum collections in the World.

Is he Jesus?....or the United Nations??....or world Bank??....or even the Federal Government??

He's just a Governor in one of the 36 states in Nigeria.

The FG is not the only arm of government, please.
How much of the services to be provided by the states and LGAs are being provided despite collecting monthly allocation from the federal government i.e. Niger Delta oil revenue
Providing such services would employ MANY people and give them the minimum salary rather than just siphoning money away under different guises and even taking loans!!!

ba7man: If you can't afford to live in Lagos, move elsewhere. Its not by force.

So the whole Nigeria should remain one big ghetto because of the poor??

Don't feel confused when some posts screaming "Anti poor" get lots of "likes"....there are more people that lack common sense in Nigeria and the world than the few that do.

There has to be sacrifices for progress to be made. This is one of it.

I wonder why the governor ( I believe it is Mobolaji Johnson) who relocated people (from Isale Eko?) to Onile Gogoro flats on Alhaji Masha Road in Surulere did not follow Fashola modus operandi as stated below, which you have tacitly endorsed with your above post

PointB: This Fashola is a smart guy. Here is his modus operandi

- identify the poor guy

- render him homeless

- arrest him

- detain him in camp for a long time

- dump him by some road side in another state

- call him destitute

Lo, people, another evil genus is born. His name - Fashola!

I simply told her that it was like the one I held in my hand, only much more expensive, and that I could show her similar bags.

Maybe I do not understand English anymore but the above sounds very offensive even from a sales girl of the same race as the customer.

iresearcher: This is my argument.
I have a land somewhere in a city.I leave it unused for some time
You go to the land and erect shanties,slums etc.I come back several years after
and I ask you to leave because I now need my land to do something meaningful then you start
crying blue murder.
The truth be told, provided you did not buy the land and it is not your inheritance, you
do not have any claim to it whatsoever.
It amazes me how some organisations make noise out of nothing. Even outside of the country,
despite the fact that the land is yours or your inheritance, you are still told what and how to build
on it because there is a master plan. If you left your village without penny, what do you expect
in the city,inherit someones land or property?

Please lets use our brains before we make comments abeg.

I wonder how this your argument will stand in the eyes of the relevant Nigerian laws on landed property.
How do you think those who FIRST claimed a particular piece of land did so?
For how many years can you continuously occupy land WITHOUT anyone challenging your OCCUPANCY for you to claim it as yours?

Maybe property lawyers can help out.

quadritaofiq: Buckola saraki is a one of most greedy person in the world. I am from kWara imagine a whole graduate is collecting #28000 monthly dat is what he pay in his tenure and this present Gov can't change it he has has no a udacity of doing it

Shebi the graduates go dey thank God sey dem at least get job, nor be so our mumu reach
Meanwhile the Bukola is on everlasting pension of millions of naira monthly etc.

Anyway can one say he is better than the O'YES man in Osun state who pays 8,000 for the so-called "empowerment" of graduates?
What a country!
How many graduates are ready to think out of their CONDEMNED situation and engage with others for some change

shine12: I ask myself whether Nigeria can just have an educational system that will just work. It’s just a cycle that never stops. It happened during my time and happened during the ones before us and now again. Why cant the government just come to a resolution with the University lecturers and co.
I’m not predicting doom, but there will be a strike again in 2020, It just never stops. Arrrrhhhhh

It will never stop for as long as we place too much emphasis on JUST getting money wothout the underlying hardwork and value creation for societal advancement.
Thus we are COMPLACENT about a politician, political office holder, political jobber who contributes very little to our economy receiving so much money while those expected to actually work earn a PITTANCE.
Who be mugu

This is why every talent wants to leave this country. All you need to do is go to LinkedIn and see tremendous amount of Nigerians doing great things in US, UK etc. A lot had their first degree in Nigeria but their beloved Nigeria frustrated them and they thought the only option is to leave and emigrate. Ridiculous amount of young Nigerian diasporans in Canada, UK, US, Eastern Europe.

What diasporans?
You mean people who have largely condemned themselves to being socio-economic EXILES in foreign lands where they are barely welcomed and face subtle racism every now & then

Leaders of Nigeria please get it right unless the generations coming will erase you from history.

Leaders of Nigeria TODAY included many of the followers and ordinary citizens of YESTERDAY.
You and I need to change our orientation sharp, sharp if ever there will be any meaningful progress in this our dear country.

Lyoncrescent: I don't just get this. The government should pull out of these universities and let them run themselves. The government should only endow universities that produce research that touches lives. The money being wasted on d tissue paper nigerian uni education is just sad.

On the other hand, the real sector(Primary and Secondary) that requires money is being ignored. There are more private primary and secondary schools than govt and no one is monitoring them. When last did d govt open a primary or secondary school ? Producing half baked graduates doesn't start at d unis but rather at d primary and secondary school level.

Every child should have QUALITY primary and secondary education. That's a given. Not everyone would go to uni but every one must have quality primary and secondary education. That's d bedrock of everything else.

NUT should be on strike not this useless ASSU. Less I forget the failure rates of Waec and neco and jamb and whatever happened to common entrance exam

Very good and valid points you raised about FOCUSING on the primary & secondary school level.
Let me also add that VOCATIONAL schools also need to be focused on as well not just these universities turning out certificate-holding but largely un-employable graduates.

ahamdiheme: I'm sorry to say but that is the mentality that keeps us down there. I might be hoping against hope but hey I have hope! I understood you but I wanted you to spell it out. I will probably not be talking like this if I were in their shoes (politicians, etc) but from where I stand I can only hope for the best.
It is and has been a very sad situation.

The change we seek will not come over night but at this stage just showing an effort is a positive sign. It might be business as usual with the money but it would be nice to keep hope alive and have a positive attitude. An honest man is not necessarily a stupid man.

The honest man here is stupid, stu.pid, a fool etc IF he continues to look on like some LUKMAN that is high on LUCOZADE while the (s)elected LOAFING politicians who do NOTHING as public SERVANTS keep receiving so much money every day from his taxes, paid directly and the one collected on his behalf from oil companies and others.
Meanwhile BASIC services of primary, vocational & secondary education; potable water, good roads, electricity etc are not provided.
QED!!!

Hoping ALONE just as praying SIMPLY won't bring the change we say we desire.
These LOAFING politicians are not ghosts.
Neither are they aliens dropped from Mars.
They are our neighbours, relations, friends etc.

ahamdiheme: Your point being?

Let me help you out.

My point being that there will not be much progress in this country when the COMPARATIVE wage for work done is so lopsided as it currently is.
Why should anyone want to do an honest job when he can simply become a politician, even at the LG councillor post and receive huge amount of money each & every month for doing almost nothing while his compatriots keep hailing him to even more promotion and pray to God for intervention?
Maybe if the person na confirmed MUMU.

Get it now

ahamdiheme: I hope they call off the strike for the sake of those being held up by it. I was a victim of so many strikes and closures, spending almost seven years in school for a five year course. I would not wish that for my enemy.
I also hope all the money being dished out to the union will be used to further the course of education and research in Nigeria.

Please tell us why the money should be used to "further the course of education and RESEARCH in Nigeria"?
Have the SINators in Abuja who receive N=29 million each & ecery month done anything to further the course of lawmaking in Nigeria
Or are they not working for the same government in the same country?

Oh, I forgot they furthered the course of making a law to allow child brides for SINator Yerima!!!

mu2sa2: Bukola saraki is one of the most ruthless politicians in Nigeria. ln 2002 he and his late father bombed their own house in ilorin and accused the then gov lawal for it. The sarakis took over the state in may 2003 and to this day control everything, reducing the state to near bankruptcy. This effc invitation is a futile exercise - last year Bukola masterminded the burglary of the state Accountant General's office twice in which financial records of his 8 years as governor disappeared.
So the effc cannot even lay their hands on any evidence to prosecute this hardened crook. Besides, almost every political office holder in hapless kwara state today is there courtesy of Bukola- from the mumu governor, members of the legislature, lg chairmen & councillors to board members of parastatals.

The same way he and his father stole all the depositors' money in Societe Generale to finance his election as governor and that of his sister as SINator in 2003, Can you imagine all the old pensioners whose life savings was in the failed bank So many of them are dead from the resulting starvation and deprivation orchestrated by the very smart crooked family.

It is a sheer reflection of our own PETTY greediness & tribalism that allows such crooks to continue dominating our society and we remain mumus of the highest order becoming voluntary socio-economic exiles in places where such crooks would have been behind bars for doing just a fraction of what he has done in Nigeria.

Was it not this same country where women went nak.ed to protest the trial of their home boy Ibori and celebrated his 55th birthday in absentia with publicity, pomp & pageantry

mooregan: I wanted keeping quiet, but ur several post no gree me. Read my lips very well, YOU TALK and REASON like a F.O.O.L. For 14 years in govt, his salary and allowances no fit build common 40 rooms self contain?? Haba!!

Because he has done NOTHING ELSE with his salary except this hostel, right
Abeg tell us another story.

Fhemmmy: Interesting comment from a Pastor . .

The guy don declare himself well now:

Pastor PROSPER

As long as you donate, pay offerings and unBiblical tithes to his church all is well irrespective of how you got the money.
And they CLAIM to represent the same God that is the Father of Jesus, right

[quote author=pastor prosper ]At least she used the so called stolen wealth to help. If every Nigerian thieving leader did same we wouldn't be were we are today.[/quote]This is why we are real mumus in 9ja.
How about "if every Nigeria leader was not a THIEF" so that we will have electricity, good roads, well paid and qualified university lecturers and other RESPONSIBILITIES of the federal government handled very well.
The same applies for the state and LGA leaders on their RESPONSIBILITIES.

And thanks Fhemmy for your very solid points irrespective of the harrassment of those who see no wrong once it is their IDOL that is concernend in suspicious donation and corruption.

Fitzy4real: I dunno why Imo state has been cursed with one bad governor after another.

I thought it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the people at the LGA level to take care of refuse as per the 1999 constitution.
Has that changed
Abi dem nor get LGA for the area?

When will we start LOOKING towards these LOAFERS to also do the work for which they are more than handsomely rewarded at the end of each month?
Or maybe we also do not work hard for the mopney we spend, so why bother if our PUBLIC SERVANTS at the closest level of government to the citizens are fleecing us and doing almost NOTHING as work!
Abi our mumu never do

This moronic act can be classified as what

a) Stup.id!
b) Stup.id-ER!!
c) Stup.id-EST!!!
d) All of the above
e) None of the above

ASUU dey strike dem never pay them correct salary and revive the universities for better research as well as partner LGAs and states for counterpart funding of vocational schools and technical colleges to create value respectively.

In Nigeria, we build houses starting from the roof.
SMH!!!

Owo Abu ni won fi se abu ni alejo - Na Abu money dem take entertain Abu.

Who is foooling who?
Mama wey nor fit buy im pikin shoe?
Na which kain business abi na work wey the mama dey do?
How much she dey pay Bayelsa state as personal income tax that REFLECTS the value of the two hostel blocks donated

Our mumu don do, una hear!

PDPwayoo: There is no good news here. Only in Nigeria airport u pay for trolley to carry luggage. I have been to some of the world poorest and richest countries, never paid for trolley.

Bro, you need to expand your scope.
In God's own country i.e. USA you pay $3 for trolleys at most airports.
Please note!!!

ShymX: @anonimi

What I meant by our inability to make these organised religions our own - is that - we've not been able to use them to collectively make our consciousness higher. We only focus on the superficial aspects of those religions - and not what they were actually created for. We focus on heaven/hell and prosperity - rather than the aspects of those religions that deal with nation-building, the community, equality, and being your brother's keeper.

The same applies to our style of government as well. We copied the peripheral of what democracy is but left the main structure of what it's meant to be. I daresay we're simplistic and superficial people who lack the basic understanding of everything we try to borrow. Perhaps, that's why I think we don't know what we want.

I quite agree with you generally about the above.
However Europe also imported Christianity from the Middle East, where the Jews live. The ARabs were also more advanced before Islam took over the area. Quite a number of the basic scientific and mathematical concepts were developed by the Arabs before Islam.
One can also say that the yorubas and the Binis had very well developed societies that could compare favourably with western Europe some centuries ago before their (European) Age of Enlightenment.

I remain optimistic for us still based on the INCREASING availability of information and exchange on forums such as this one. It is likely to take a very long time to change for MORE rational thinking among a greater number of Africans but we will get there.
You may want to note that the Arab spring that is currently ongoing is a reflection of the availability of new information and exchange I referred to above. Their (r)evolution will go on for a long while just as that of western Europe took many centuries to get to where they are.

ShymX: @ the bolded - I don't think there's still a general understanding among the aristocrats in Europe that all men are born equal - I think it's just a ruse created by the new world order after the second world war, and the subsequent globalisation, pipe-dream. Also, they had to listen to the voice of the poor, because the voice of the people, is the voice of God - and most understand that if the poor ever stage a revolt, then it's game over for them. Europe is still as tribal, aristocratic and territorial as it was in the time of yore. Anyway, regardless, the poor forced them to do the right thing - and that's why Europe is what it's today.

I personally think the problem with most Nigerians is that, they're simplistic, and they just read a lot without comprehending what they read. Perhaps, that's why we've not been able to build any workable structure in most African countries.

I don't mean EXACTLY that the aristocrats understand that all men are equal. Rather, like you rightly said they have been made by the CONSTANT pressure from their masses through education and ENLIGHTENEMENT leading to regular protests etc increase their acceptance of them as having rights.

A religious people are likely to be simplistic as organised religion somewhat places a cap on one's reasoning, ifr the person is not careful.
I am sure we will make progress too and in fact are doing so only that it is very slow as to be almost un-noticeable.

ShymX: Everything you said in your post was London less than 100 years ago - go read about poor London. I duno if you have watched "Oliver Twist" - that was London and how poor the commoners were back then. However, when the poor started revolting - they had no choice than to create social welfare, to cater for the people.

Good you brought up Oliver Twist. Same for the Shaspeare plays and other books.
It is obvious that a few centuries ago Europe was WORSE than Nigeria currently with people who owned land (Lords of the Manor) and their fellow citizens who worked for them on the land/farms ALMOST as slaves, called serfs. They gradually understood that ALL men are born equal.

We need to read & travel more and place value on knowledge rather just getting money to show off!!!

nerodenero: The government should make the country conducive for the massive.Tackle corruption and unemployment and the youth will stay home.

Your comment LOOKS very attractive but then who is "the government" that "should make the country conducive for the masses"
Make you try explain to us oh, abeg!

Zamoni: hmmm,people jst dy teach wrong teaching this days,if u be drunkards go change oooo,abeg go read 1cor 6vs9-10.

You obviously do not know that not all who drink are drunkards. Or do yo?

The volunteer, who appealed to government to ensure good policies on education, said it is through compulsory education for children between 6 to 18 years that helped UK to reduce poverty and youth unrest.

I hope our later day "progressives" are taking note.
It is NOT the bridges, roads and other PHYSICAL infrastructure that builds a durable society that is viable for its citizens.

Why was there no such massive and desperate desire to stay back in Britain and elsewhere as socio-economic exiles in the 60s and 70s