₦airaland Forum

brownlord: This dan orbih is going nut? Na so e dey be to dey opposition?

I can agree with you that the guy is a learner. Even our NL e-propagandists for ACN, notable Eko Ile aka Eko Atlantic + other aliases and Gbawe + other aliases do much better in DEMONISING their opponents in PDP daily. Imagine the guy saying this:

The chairman further said that no agency under the PDP administration in the state had at any time been accused of stealing government funds.

That statement above was highly uncalled for as it draws unnecessary attention to PDP's records rather than let the public focus solely on the FRAUDULENT practices under Oshiomole's watch.
The PDP needs to upgrade its game of returning fire-fir-fire in the propaganda war.

Anyway, if money can be missing when secondary school are in top gear in edo state, i think money needs to keep missing so we can continue enjoying the dividend of democracy from comrade, PDP can go to hell in edo state

Please tell me you are joking with the above.
Any kobo missing or contract inflated by just one kobo is literally open to be MAGNIFIED and EXLOITED for maximum propaganda by the opposing party, which is for the ULTIMATE BENEFIT of the hardworking, toiling masses.
BTW, no party should go to hell. We need a VIBRANT OPPOSITION at all levels, including the LGAs.

In fact did PDP not win over 25% in the last gubernatorial elections despite fielding a retired General against POPULIST and supposedly POPULAR Oshiomole who employed sympathy tactics such as claiming assassination attempt when students protested against him and the possible murder of his own Personal Asst. - he obviously learnt some deadly tactics from his political godfather

Did he not recently cancel the LGA elections due to the reality of an embarrassing loss

You saw that my ok for subsidised PRIMARY healthcare is seriously qualified.
So no rejoicing on that.
Moreover I don't think this should be a contest of counting. I would rather see it as enlightenment of one another as I do see my participation on this forum and other similar Nigeria-focused forums.
Peace!

VolvoS60: Healthcare.

Yes to PRIMARY healthcare with strict qualifying income & family size criteria depending on what stage the particular society is in.

The issue with subsidies is to avoid abuse and create economic inefficiencies even in so-called developed societies and the difficulty of scrapping them or making them more strict after the difficult phase they were supposed to address has passed.

earthgreeners: Im still waiting for d troll to give me the name of the area he resides in Lagos...

Imagine d muguu expecting the Local government to help him clean his environment. I wonder what the monthly environmental sanitation exercise means to him.

Normally I ignore posters like you who have nothing to say but insults in serious discussions.
However in order to ENLIGHTEN those who might be fooled by the highlighted portion I will simply re-post what I posted earlier that you might have missed in your hurry to hurl insults.

anonimi: What would you call a person who knows (or should know) a government tier (LGA) receives monthly allocation on his behalf from Abuja plus rates, levies etc to do a job and the LGA does not do the job BUT also turns around to ask those on whose behalf he received the money to do the job

1. The main functions of a local government council are as follows:

(f) construction and maintenance of roads, streets, street lightings, drains and other public highways, parks, gardens, open spaces, or such public facilities as may be prescribed from time to time by the House of Assembly of a State;
(h) provision and maintenance of public conveniences, sewage and refuse disposal;

4th Schedule 1999 Constitution



BTW, what is your LGA doing, 365 days of the year, if you have to clean your environment yourself

Edo PDP wants Oshiomhole to investigate the missing SUBEB's N320m

The Peoples' Democratic Party (PDP) in Edo, has called on Gov. Adams Oshiomhole, to account for the alleged missing of N320 million funds belonging to the State Universal Basic Education Board SUBEB.

State Chairman of the Party, Chief Dan Orbih, made the call on Thursday while reacting to the state government's statement that the sack of the former Commissioner for Secondary and Tertiary Education had nothing to do with the missing fund.

Orbih said that it was a statement of fact that N320 million out of the N600 million paid into the State Universal Basic Education Board (SUBEB) account was unaccounted for.

He explained that the party had it on ``good authority’’ that five officials of the Action Congress of Nigeria (ACN) shared the money and advised that the governor in the spirit of accountability take responsibility for the missing funds.

‘’It is a statement of fact that N320 million out of N600 million paid into SUBEB account in the state was paid into a phony account.

‘’The money was the balance after the deduction of salaries of staff of the board, and we also have it on record that five officials of the ACN shared it.

‘’We told the people of the state about the missing fund not because we want the governor to make a scape-goat out of it, but for him to tell the people those involved in the fraud and what he intends to do to recover it.’’

He also advised the governor to concentrate more on governance and be a guide with transparency and accountability in discharging his duty.

The chairman further said that no agency under the PDP administration in the state had at any time been accused of stealing government funds.

However, Oshiomhole while swearing-in the new Commissioner for Secondary and Tertiary Education on Wednesday, debunked allegations that money was missing from SUBEB.

He said: ``There are speculations as to why we made changes. The only thing that is constant in life is change, what matters, therefore, is to know when to make that change.

``Let me clear the air that no money is missing, if money is missing we will find it because money doesn’t have legs.’’

The governor also said that, “it is only in societies where public authority is dead that you talk of money missing.

‘’If money is stolen, we will find it, money doesn’t simply get missing, not in government.”

He also said that running an efficient system was not just about money missing or not missing, but about how money was applied.

‘’In this business, the end does not always justify the means, the means must be appropriate,'' he said.

Daily Times

Is the PDP slowly waking up to play its OPPOSITION role in the states controlled by other parties
I hope so.

For now we can forget our protests that the Brits labelled the terrorists Nigerians.
It does not matter. We will still continue flocking their cold place to spend our money on their economy while ours continues to dwindle as a result.

ba7man: I'm sure you see those ladies that wear orange coloured over-alls that clean major streets and highways. They are a common sight.

I see we are both getting somewhere together on this.
I definitely see the Lagos state agents employed for the major streets and highways but I and most Lagos residents do not have our homes on the highways and major roads. You need to turn off to the feeder roads that are mostly in bad shape to enter your house gate. As you rightly said the current arrangement is that you the "street residents are responsible for cleaning our environments". That is VERY WRONG!!!

Those roads, the gutters and related "open spaces" should be maintained by the LGAs as stipulated in the 4th Schedule of the 1999 constitution.
14 years of Tinubu & Fashola administration, NOTHING is being done on this BASIC issue in most areas of the state probably with the exception of Ikoyi & VI.
That is the cluelessness I talk about from the MISPLACED PRIORITIES.

Six decades ago, under Awolowo as Premier in the Western region that stretched up to Yaba these BASIC issues of environmental sanity was PROPERLY handled with less money from cocoa mainly WITHOUT Niger Delta oil money.

Meanwhile Bola Tinubu pretended to be a successor to Awo when he ran for Lagos state governor in 1999.

https://www.emn-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tinubu5.jpg

ba7man: Well i have running water and a garbage truck comes to pick up my trash once a week. We street residents are responsible for cleaning our environments, packing it up in one collection spot and the garbage trucks pick them up. Where do you stay that these services don't reach you??

What would you call a person who knows (or should know) a government tier (LGA) receives monthly allocation on his behalf from Abuja plus rates, levies etc to do a job and the LGA does not do the job BUT also turns around to ask those on whose behalf he received the money to do the job

1. The main functions of a local government council are as follows:

(f) construction and maintenance of roads, streets, street lightings, drains and other public highways, parks, gardens, open spaces, or such public facilities as may be prescribed from time to time by the House of Assembly of a State;
(h) provision and maintenance of public conveniences, sewage and refuse disposal;

4th Schedule 1999 Constitution

Are the striking lecturers who were not paid salary for three months now paid and back at work

Has he FULLY implemented the 18k minimum wage for all civil servants and employees of the state

7. Introduction of bi-monthly environmental sanitation exercise under the O’CLEAN Initiative to keep the state clean.

I thought the LGAs are supposed to keep public spaces and environment, including the gutters in front of people's homes and markets clear and clean. So we pay them for doing nothing

Or maybe Ogbeni does not understand how government works?

ba7man: BTW, I pay my taxes, it can be annoying atimes but i'm not complaining and i also have running water in my home courtsey LASG. Do you pay your taxes?? What have you done for your Government?? Its so easy to complain especially online.

Just saw your above addition to your initial post.
I pay substantial amount as taxes to the LASG.
I have

no running water in my home,
the road in front of my house is not tarred
and the gutter is not cleared by the LGA responsible.

I also know my situation is not different from that of the vast majority of Lagos residents on whose behalf Fashola

collects monthly federal revenue allocation from Abuja
in addition to the IGR he gets from our pockets, wallets, purses and handbags
even plus including loans raised in our collective name.

ba7man: Bros, Which ghetto do you stay?? Where I'm located and places i commute, I hardly see things like that your pix ooo....It seems you're in diaspora and you want to justify your status by convincing yourself that there's no progress. Its ok to be a diasporan, no one will crucify you for that. As for @Eko ile, that's a different story.

Where did I say "there is no progress"?
I said the man is clueless because he has MISPLACED PRIORITIES focusing on yoyo, shiny projects and MOST of us like children who have been given some toys jubilate over such without doing a reality check of the opportunity cost of the amount spent and the value received.
Which part of that is difficult to understand

I stay in a ghetto that forms at least 80% of Lagos state, if you take out Ikoyi, VI, Lekki and some parts of Ikeja that represents anything between 15-20%.
The problem with most of us black people is we "break through" and forget where we are coming from without taking care to bring up everyone we "left behind".

That is why clueless Fashola raised LASU fees from 25k to 250k even though he went to secondary school for four years free with textbooks from Jakande and got Lagos state bursary for his four years in Uniben.
A much smarter person like Awolowo and the UPN governors of the early 1980s would rather than find ways to PROGRESS what they inherited in mass programmes of education, health and environmental infrastructure.

earthgreeners: Bros, wetin u drink before u type dis nonsense.......Village mooof

If you have a comprehension problem, please let me know.
I am in a very generous and understanding mood this morning and won't mind further breaking it down so it is simple enough for you to comprehend.

ba7man: Some people are so fixated on negativity that they fail to see improvement around them. See random pics of Ikorodu rd i took on my way to work. In the past, Market women and yellow transport buses would be all over the place but now, there's sanity......Its like the poster above me set-out that day with this thought on his mind.... "Yes!!! Today i'm going to look for dirty gutters!!!".

And would you mind telling us what Eko Ile was doing with the unrelated picture of Fashola & Jonathan in his OP?
To NOT be "so fixated on negativity" concerning OUR president

I don't have to "look for dirty gutters".
They exist everywhere assualting our eyes every day. That is the direct result of misplaced priorities of Clueless Fashola abandoning the BASIC issues for the yoyo cheap & cheerful projects to wow the befuddled followers with hyper inflated contracts as he steals the hardworking, tax paying residents of Lagos blind.

[quote author=Okiki_Oluwa]Don't get me wrong, God's healing is also for every man.[/quote]Thank you for the clarification.
Thus God's healing is for all of us created in His image, irrespective of whether you are a Christian, Moslem, "pagan", atheist etc.
And you don't need to go to a church or see a pastor to be healed by God.

henchamb: Nigeria was expected to run unopposed for a 2010–11 seat, but unexpectedly faced competition from Sierra Leone. Nigeria has already served thrice in the UNSC, while Sierra Leone served only once.[2] Sierra Leone did not contest the seat, however. Instead, Gabon ran for the second seat.

And despite the bold portion above some people still wish to denigrate the efforts of Jonathan's administration to secure the endorsement of the 54 member AU for Nigeria's election into the UN Security Council. As I stated on the other thread it is obvious that the DESPERADOS in the opposition are gradually revealing their strategy to CONFUSE the Nigerian public:

Divert attention from Jonathan's increasingly manifest achievements by making propaganda of blowing out of proportion any imaginary slip.

But our eyes are becoming more open to focus on the REAL issues that matter to us as a nation and we will not be deceived anymore, InshaAllah

Eko Ile: Fashola was actually talking to the incompetent and hopeless crying little girl standing next to him...

Must you lie even more when confronted with a previous lie? It only makes it worse for whatever little reputation and credibility you have and that reflects on your paymaster as well.
#FriendlyAdvice.

Now that your OP picture of GEJ clearing something from his eye, I believe was from the DANA crash site when he visited with Fashola.
Let us see what your OP was about:

The Governor stated this while declaring open a three-day retreat for members of Service Commissions and employing Agencies in the State Public Service held at the Orchid Hotels, Lekki-Lagos.

The Governor, who was represented at the event by the State Commissioner for Establishments, Training and Pensions, Mrs. Florence Modupe Oguntuase,

So Fashola skipped the slot for making his speech and was REPRESENTED by his Commissioner.
Sounds familiar

Now how could he be "actually talking to the incompetent and hopeless crying little girl standing."
No wonder you have Mr. LIE Muhammed as your party spokesman.

BTW, when will Mr. Fashola who has "competent public servants" deal with the BASIC, SIMPLE issues and services I enumerated in my last post?

[img]http://3.bp..com/_V9VXai14_Og/SWNlOdgggrI/AAAAAAAAE4w/P9V9RNFVoM8/s400/65119-Clogged-Gutter-0.jpg[/img]

When, any time frame since we have already done 14 years with NOTHING

HNosegbe: "Competent public servants"... How do you hire competent people when our constitution promotes federal character?

Let us assume that Fashola was speaking about Lagos state only.
In that case he needs to LISTEN to his own advice. After 14 years of AD/AC/ACN continuous administraion in Lagos ostensibly with INcompetent public servants BASIC services are yet to be provided ALL over the state such as:

* Pipeborn water.
* Public primary schools, vocational schools & secondary schools rehabilitated with new ones built for increased population.
* Primary health care centres with well paid staff and good, functional equipment.
* Simple clearing of gutters & cleaning ALL roads of debris and grass/bush.

https://drivein.com.ng/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ajegunle_ikorodu_flood.jpeg

YET his e-Propaganda chief for Nairaland posts an irrelevant picture since he does not have much positive thing to say about his Oga at the top.

obyrich: Exactly. Pastors do the same thing. They see a doctor when they fall sick too. Only gullible people get stampeded to death where they are struggling for holy/anointing water!

Meanwhile the same pastor go they form holy holy powerman sey im fit do healing for others. I guess it is necessary for their scamming business that is dressed up in religious-ness.

And gullible people plenty yanfu yanfu. Those who need to be led by the nose like lost sheep and are too lazy to read their Bible but will use their hard earned money that may not be enough for their basic needs to still buy the books and pamphlets of their pastors that are nothing but the pastor's interpretation of the same Bible that you can read yourself.

[quote author=Okiki_Oluwa]There's true healing in the Church. I mean healing from God.[/quote]And why do you think God is limited by space to ONLY heal "in the church"?
Is God no longer OMNIPRESENT

Try and read the conversation between Jesus and the Samarritan woman by the well in John 4?

fittty: The biggest problem with religion is that,for the most part,it teaches that the world is a bad place and that there is a better hereafter, which is ironic,cause the world would probably be a better place without religion

Well said.
Religion, whether those from the Middle East- Christianity, Islam and Judaism or from elsewhere including our African traditional religions rely on making more and more impossible rules so the adherents feel guilty and need intercession (i.e. prayers, charms, fasting etc) by the religious leader who CLAIMS to represent God for the person.
SMH!

Interesting to see that the mother is now into politics in Nigeria after two husbands and two kids from different fathers raised as a single mother.
MOST LIKELY she had very little time to give them the EXTRA ATTENTION needed in the absence of the fathers.

Meanwhile did anyone also notice that the father works at the NOTORIOUS Nigerian High Commission that does practically nothing for Nigerians except to extort money for services that they should provide with pleasure to citizens

Gbawe: Thank you. Not much to add. All the inane excuses we have had here that bears out the part in bold above. There is really nothing to spin here. GEJ was there. He agreed to address the UN. He disappeared and was nowhere to be found when he was called several times to mount the podium.

I am sure you do not mind sharing with us the video clip of that moment "when he was called several times to mount the podium."

We dey wait you oh!

Anyone who has access to the Ethiopian Television (ETV) channel yesterday would have seen Jonathan making a speech at the AU at about 12 noon Addis Ababa local time.

It should be obvious to any one who can reason well enough that this cooked-up story is aimed at MINIMISING the great achievement by GEJ of gaining the endorsement of the 54-member AU for Nigeria's permanent seat at the UN Security Council.
This is something OBJoke could not achieve despite his reputed international goodwill.

I expect that the Presidency will issue a credible rebuttal emanating from Sahara Reporters nameless "sources" and examine possible legal action against the publishers.

BTW, it rubs off on all of us as Nigerians whatever Jonathan does and how we present him to foreigners because like it or not, the FACT remains that he is OUR 1st representative to the outside world as OUR President.

Ubenedictus: i doubt those who are learned in the distinct and traditional acts of the royal family especially that of the ascension of the throne will agree will the above. those i know will argue that the oba would never have been a prisoner if he didn't surrender.

And why do you think he surrendered despite the reputation for juju/ sacrifices and related power

Do you remember OBJoke saying we should use juju to fight the whites in apartheid South Africa way back?
Have you considered that rivers and sacred forests that we worshipped and were so scared of, the whites came and constructed right there?

My contribution to this thread is that we need to open our eyes to the scientific analysis and technological development that EMPOWERS a group while NOT NEGLECTING the historical/legacy etc aspect of our ancient traditions/religions.
Dwelling so much on religious beliefs and thinking God will fix everything for us only makes us very backward as it did to the Europeans many centuries ago.

I hope you can understand that.

babanaba: There are so many countries like India which the Britts still got an upper hand over.You made little sense but I think there are situations where Jazz or juju won't work.Also you need to know the circumstance on which the guys were able to arrest him.The thing is you need to use your head when you write.Myself I don't do Jazz and Juju but they do have effect.Even a white friend of mine who spent sometime in Africa confirmed to me.Another question is without the white men would those guys have dared?

Did you notice the word BELIEF in my post that you rushed to reply with plenty insults.
I will not go down the gutter with you on the insults so as to keep this very educating thread very useful for others who seek to enrich themselves.

You also did not notice the words FOCUS and WITHOUT NEGLECTING in my post or did you

It might interest you to note that the Europeans were also very religious up to around the 17th century and their societies were so underdeveloped and marked by oppression as we have in most African countries today.

Is it not VERY TELLING that despite the reputation the Binis have about juju and plenty jazz and sacrifices the white colonial masters could have ordinary African police men arrest him.

Says a lot about belief in juju specifically but also about religions and SPIRITUAL things generally.

Time for Africans to focus on knowledge, analysis and science for growth without neglecting the HERITAGE/HISTORY/LEGACY aspects of our religions

VolvoS60: ^^^^How do you mean "ïn a very generalised way"? I am going somewhere with these questions. I find it a bit odd that you single out education for special attention. Are there no other goods with positive externalities which deserve government subsidies? Why education alone?

What other goods do you have in mind?

Billyonaire: I do not know why this OP is acting like this is an achievement. Rivers State and Akwa Ibom Stat have better IPP projects in place. Mini Power Stations are like Mega Diesel Generators powered by Gas instead of Diesel.

Our comrades in the Association of Conmen in Nigeria are doing what they know best - PROPAGANDA!!!
Not their fault sha as the other guys in PDP are too dull to even PUBLICISE their achievements.

Come to think of it any Nigerian that has a small generator can rightfully claim to have his own mini power plant.
LOL!

Did I miss something
The COAS did not talk about any arrests and court martial or did he?

It is also very important that we as citizens report suspicious acts/persons/movements to the authorities asap.

VolvoS60: ^^^^
In your first post on this thread, you said only education deserves subsidies. Do you still hold this view?

Yes in a very GENERALISED way.

gbrookes02: Nothing is wrong with people voluntarily coming together and having everything in common if they so privately choose to so do. The examples that you gave in the bible were all done on a voluntary basis, not enforced.

Again you are wrong.
When you join a club/ society, you abide by its rules which are COMPULSORY for its members. That was the case for Jesus and his Apostles as well as with the first group of CHRISTians (those who were living Christ-like)
The stroy of Ananias and his wife below clearly illustrates that point.

But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, 2 And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. 3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? 4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. 5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. 6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. 7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. 8 And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. 9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. 10 Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. 11 And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things.

[url=http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Acts+5%3A1-11&ver=kjv]Acts 5[/url]

My dear brother, please read and study your Bible asking the Holy Spirit to guide your understanding.

Socialism and communism (they don't recognize private property) are enforced by the government, etc. this is totally different to the bible voluntary practice.
The commandment says don't steal, you can't steal something from someone if they don't own it as private property. This is capitalism.

I am sure you know what you wrote their is just stretching the fact as it is.
There were cases of stealing in the old Soviet Union and there are such in North Korea and Cuba because some items are still held privately as there is no ABSOLUTE communism.

[quote author=str8_talk]In d 21st Century dis institution is still made of bungalow structures wt boreholes facilities in a state adjudge to b d Centre of Excellence? MSHEWW...[/quote]That is what you get from a state that has been administered by the "progressive opposition" in POWER for 14 years:

1,2,3,4, years Tinubu
5,6,7,8, years of Tinubu
9,10,11,12 years of Fashola
13,14 years of Fashola

with MISPLACED priorities.

They focus on yoyo, shiny PHYSICAL infrastructure at very hyper inflated costs while NEGLECTING BASIC services such as pipeborne water in the whole state.
It is like having a person dressed up in very expensive clothes but with cheap pata olokun i.e. rope held pants/dross. The person must pray hard not to be involved in an accident or sickness that will involve removing his clothes in the hospital/public
Yet they have the effontery to criticize GEJ who is making slow but steady progress after ONLY three years in power on electricity, railways, roads etc.

Shameless bunch of HYPOCRITES!