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Have we become so negative as a people that we question everything positive that happens in other peoples life ?
Be happy for Tiwa simple ! Either way she’s putting us all in a positive light in an era when we’re seen as just criminals.
This level of hatred and wickedness all cooped up inside people leads to cancer believe me.

Stay happy stay positive stay hopeful your time will come.
Kill the hating

God bless you all

Youthleader22:
But it’s a bitter true that Ojukwu caused a war that the Ibos was not prepared or well equipped for. I ready Half Of A Yellow Sun times without number. During the war Ojukwu was only cheat beating and angry. There was no weapon to wage a war against Nigeria who had the backing of developed Nations. Ojukwu should have known that the war was avoidable in a round table talk but he chooses to waste the lives of the Ibos. The book also stated how he forced little children with no weapons to become soldiers to fight. It was a lost cause but stubbornness and lack of direction did not make him ascertain the basics of setting the issue on ground to avoid the war.
If Ojukwu loves his people as the Ibos claimed, he will not send them to a war he was not prepared for. A Pity.

You are wrong my friend the. Biafran war started on the 6th of July 1967 with Nigeria attacking Biafra along 2 fronts one aimed at nsukka and the other at Garkem. If you can disprove this account as the start of the war I’ll apologise to you!

A dangerous setup and attack on igbos here. The guy’s accent is not Igbo but of an acquired kind.
Why someone would want to do this to igbos I don’t know.
I think some people want to drag igbos into the impending blood shed.

I advise igbos to keep out of all trouble. Do not drink panadol for another person wahala.

We do not need this. We are invested in Nigeria to let ourselves become pawns.

Bless

Godons1:
And some Mumu go dey underrate the Northerners. By that time, Southerners were still using leaves as their clothing.

We don't chest beat.
But, koda me kazo an fika.

But the plane doesn’t belong to a northerner what’s your point

I thought jet engine was invented between 1937 and 1939 though the idea came up in the 20s? If so then this is not a ‘private jet’ but a private plane.
Please do change the headline

Bless

For those claiming Biafra took no prisoners of war
Stop the ignorant and unfounded information spread as facts.

RIP to the dead, my heart goes out to the 93 year old father. I pray the Igbo and Yoruba cowards stay away from this thread and respect the dead and their family.
God bless

KingOdart:
Igbo are the braviest tribe in Nigeria and that was the reason why mere Igala enslaved and colonized your forefathers
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You were slaves to Igala, slaves to Benin even Ijaw sold Igbo as slaves

Please bro, not now. The real threat to you and us igbos is staring us in the face. Stop the name calling and it doesn’t matter who started it etc. We have a genocidal inferno coming, we all need to be alert. Insulting anyone else but your real killer is the real cowardice.

Let’s wake up

kereman1:
u said cowardice, few stood against many u call it cowardice, u hv no right to call d igbo cowards only if u try wat we've tried and succeed. in d history of d yoruba leaders both past and present none can't Eva pull d stunt Ojukwu pulled. even if ur deity will resurrect ur fallen brothers to fight alone wit u guy to emancipate ursefs from slavery, u guy will till chicken out its in ur DNA, u can fight it.

Please I beg the two of you not to derail this important thread. Yorubas and igbos are finally seeing who the real threat is, and are making efforts to protect themselves. So once again I beg you two to stall on your misplaced aggression and priorities.

God bless you

So the Igbo and Yoruba cowards are out in force for the usual show of shame ! Both are victims of the Fulani herdsmen but none can be seen condemning the Fulani. Because even behind your keyboards you’re scared of the Fulani and scared of the truth.
but the easy option is for for both Igbo and Yoruba to cowardly attack each other online for something that is Fulani herdsmen’s fault.

Shame on all of you spineless men. I bet our women will handle this issue much more better with courage.

How did a good thread of southwest security descend into cowardly name calling on both sides??
It’s cowardly because the perpetrators of the crimes are totally avoided whilst the victims tear at each other’s throats.

Cowardly igbos and cowardly Yorubas face your real problems

Both the Igbo and Yoruba are amazing in their ostriching!!!
Still arguing despite the glaring truth staring them down.
I guess we have to wait final push, hope the right reaction can come out of both groups.

For now it’s mutual hatred galore.

Silly silly silly

Cumtroller:
Osibanjo see what Fulani’s are doing to your people while you wine and dine with the grand-patron of herdsmen in Aso-Rock.

Afonja’s are shameless asslickers, nothing will be done to combat the menace of family herdsmen in the South-West.

Tufia, Afonja Ajoka!!!!

Bro please why insult the Yoruba like this. Plus your post will derail the thread into an anti-Igbo fight whereas the perpetrators of the crime are allegedly Fulani. If you’re Igbo stop. If you’re not Igbo then please quit the wicked act.

RIP to the dead my heart goes out to his family

If there’s violence going on in our streets between different ethnic groups, I don’t think it’s time for an unaffected ethnic group, this time the Igbo my group to come online and gloat or insult the Yoruba and vice versa. Please sheath your online swords and think of the victims of these senseless bloodletting?
The hate is just too much. God is love we should at least try to drop hatred before it consumes us all.

Pray for the victims

On this solemn day of remembrance, please respect our dead by not insulting anyone. Please if you’re igbos don’t threaten the rest of Nigeria with revenge and if you’re non Igbo don’t dance on the grave of women and children.

God bless

Here’s my logic, if only God can police our borders which by the way will be the only border policed by him on earth, then I dare suggest all our defence budgets is paid to God ! But since he doesn’t receive cash directly and his pastors and imams are stupendously comfortable in Nigeria, then let the money be spent on the poor and to give quality education to the masses and develop skills for life sustenance etc, that way you directly knock out kidnapping, terrorism, radicalism, egotism, materialism, Ritualism and satanism etc. And before you know it YOU HAVE VERY SAFE BORDERS! So yes let’s appoint God as our border controller as once again we have abdicated the simple responsibility he gave us to guard ourselves due to greed and stupidity alas.

God help us all

BuhariAdvocate:
Ironsi the most useless head of state in Nigeria.

Mind explaining how ironsi was the most useless head of state?
Bear in mind he died with only 2500 naira of today’s money in his account showing he wasn’t a looter, one of our main problems is looting isn’t it ?

Bless

Reason why the country isn’t getting anywhere, someone posted a valuable rare video of historical importance, rather than have a meaningful intellectual discussion about it, it’s just degenerated into pointless hateful nonsense. This is sad, I try to picture you guys running institutions and can’t see it, it seems it’s hard for you guys to be civil and educational. Look drop the hate, nobody is better than anybody. Ojukwu and awo etc lived classy intellectual lives and would deny you guys due to your level of depravity.

This is just sad

richie240:
Pls peruse ds thread 4 d well documented reason(s) that led to d civil war:

https://www.nairaland.com/5065387/how-igbo-leaders-caused-nigerias?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6594004119


In as much as a speck of Yoruba and Hausa officers wale ademulegun, Hashim hassan et al) partook in d coup it doesn't rule out d fact dt it turned tribal at d end of d day with d failure of d coup leaders (majorly of Igbo extraction) failing to do 'justice' to any of their kinsmen after the same 'justice' had bn well served to the other regions, namely the north, west, middle belt and Midwest. Its a no brainer that had d Yoruba and Hausa officers known that d Igbo's had a separate ethnic agenda in sparing their own kinsmen whist they massacre the leaders of the other tribes/regions INCLUDING THEIRS, they wouldn't have participated in d coup!

Pls take ur time to go thru this thread and u'll be amazed at the grand treachery our 'brothers' executed which eventually led to the civil war.
once again:

https://www.nairaland.com/5065387/how-igbo-leaders-caused-nigerias?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C6594004119

cc: @antadiop2
@Thiwalade

So I guess Unegbe is not Igbo? I’ve told you guys to try and critic the political angle of the coup, just try I know it’s hard cos the Igbo coup narrative make people justify the genocide etc.
Ibb said it wasn’t an Igbo coup
Danjuma said it wasn’t and Igbo coup
Ademoyega said it to
Many officers have said so but we keep repeating that falsehood.
I read the article you linked and find it biased and skewed but I won’t dwell on it cos it’s broad.

Hopefully we’ll talk more on this topic sometime soon
Bless

Thiwalade:
I admit I don't know much about the said civil war cos I wasn't around then.


Nigeria winning REALLY?? Ojukwu fled... Of what importance is a troop that has no commander? How are they winning the war
Please be honest

Thanks for your admition, you’re an honest man.

Regarding your 2nd paragraph I asked you to check Nigerian army positions in Biafran before November 1969, once you do we’ Continue.

God bless you

johntolu:
I must admit, you have a point in Ademoyegun's role as one of the masterminds of the coup.
I am sure you also read the guy's account of betrayal, by some of the coupists, in their assigned roles in Lagos, Eastern and Midwestern Region.
Ademoyegun actually had a fight, while in detention, with Major Ifeajuna because of the role played by the latter in sparing Igbo politicians and military Officers marked for assassination.
I am sure you remember the details of the 1997 'phantom' coup' and how some military officers were 'set up' and implicated by the Abacha's regime.
I am sure Major Ademoyegun was also a victim of the same scenario. He never knew his comrades in crime, were having tribally based agenda different from what they agreed for the coup.
Your comment about Ironsi and Orizu 'transfer of power debacle', is to say the least, laughable.
What you implied in your storyline is that Ironsi would not have taken over power if he was not advised by Banjo, a Yoruba man. I never knew that General Ironsi, the Chief of Army Staff at that time, does not have enough capacity to take basic decision, on his own about the constitutional assigned responsibility of the military, in political dispensation. Sadly, he paid the supreme price with his life, for his lack of capacity.
I am sure another Yoruba personality, probably Orizu's Church member, must have advised Orizu to hand over power to his fellow Igbo kinsman, Aguiyi Ironsi.
I also got to know that another Yoruba man, Alhaji Tinuminimase, was the one that advised Ojukwu, to slaughter 3 million of his people to 'Ogugwu Okija shrine, during the civil war.
Alhaji Asari Dokuboh, come and hear your people O!

Thanks for your reply unfortunately all your replies are not facts but after-thoughts, theories, conjecture and hypothesis.

Yes ifeajuna and wale fought in Warri prison due to emma’s Betrayal but wale never I repeat never said it was an Igbo coup, please read his book and don’t come to your own conclusions. I don’t think he would have even fought for Biafra it that was so. Emma’s disappearances has more to do with his person, at uni Ibadan he organised a student protest only to disappear when the heat was on.
If you find the orizu/ironsi handover fact laughable then I guess you are laughing at victor banjo alas. Everything I write are based on checkable facts period. Go check banjo’s letter to ironsi and if this fact is not there I’ll apologise. Guys please let’s leave our personal thoughts and emotions or need to score cheap points and face facts. I also gave the list of officers at the meeting go check.

I don’t remember ojukwu turning his gun on 3 million Biafrans, but I know Nigeria attacked Biafra on the 6/7/67 (the date add up to 13 on both sides a satanic number). And 1-3 million people died in the process but to us it was a just war, it only on nairaland that we here that ojukwu killed his own people, all journalists and historians etc never said so.

I won’t respond to your jokes as funny as they are. I’ll focus on the historical facts.

Bless ya

Thiwalade:
All of Nigeria shouldn't be yoruba and hausas alone... I don't think all the tribes in Nigeria joined forces against your Biafra.

My example of Jerusalem is supposed to point out that its often needless to display power at the expense of human life just as an act of bravery.

Are you sure those agitating for Biafra are really ready to go back home? It's a psychological thing in my opinion. More of a chorus these days with less action backing it up.


The great novelist depicted a champion who got over confident in his ability and ended up getting floored. I liken that to what's going on with igbos right now, they're often quick to point out yoruba as cowards yet their display of bravery ends in defeat.


If the igbo had continued the civil war without laying down their arms, igbo race might be sparse as we speak... Consider this analogy of the great spartan warriors that were outnumbered by roman soldiers. They could've just retreated, gather more strength or devise a better plan to defeat the enemy, they chose to die in battle. Yes we read about their bravery but the Spartan tribe is probably non existent in the world today while the Romans are still in existence and thriving alongside other world power. Stupidity is not bravery..

Thank you

Thiwalade:
All of Nigeria shouldn't be yoruba and hausas alone... I don't think all the tribes in Nigeria joined forces against your Biafra.

My example of Jerusalem is supposed to point out that its often needless to display power at the expense of human life just as an act of bravery.

Are you sure those agitating for Biafra are really ready to go back home? It's a psychological thing in my opinion. More of a chorus these days with less action backing it up.


The great novelist depicted a champion who got over confident in his ability and ended up getting floored. I liken that to what's going on with igbos right now, they're often quick to point out yoruba as cowards yet their display of bravery ends in defeat.


If the igbo had continued the civil war without laying down their arms, igbo race might be sparse as we speak... Consider this analogy of the great spartan warriors that were outnumbered by roman soldiers. They could've just retreated, gather more strength or devise a better plan to defeat the enemy, they chose to die in battle. Yes we read about their bravery but the Spartan tribe is probably non existent in the world today while the Romans are still in existence and thriving alongside other world power. Stupidity is not bravery..

Thank you

Can you prove that it wasn’t all of Nigeria that fought Biafra ? Nigeria had 4 regions at the time and all 3 fought Biafra and even non Igbo Biafrans we’re split in their loyalties with many fighting for Nigeria. Also check the ethnic backgrounds of Nigerian officers and you find a diverse list of names.
You point on Jerusalem is tangential to our debate I won’t dwell on it. Same as your Achebe analogy.

So you think igbos would have been wiped out if we hadn’t surrendered, think again but please provide the military positions of Nigeria by October 1969 to see that what you’ve been told is a lie. The war ended for many reasons but Nigeria winning isn’t one of them. Other issues collapsed Biafra from November 1969. Please provide some historical facts for me. It seem like a one way street, all you provide is questions and hypothetical scenarios like Jerusalem, okonkwo and the Spartans. Quote facts from Biafran war or our political history let’s debate them. Sorry for late reply I’ve been busy.
Bless

Thiwalade:
The war was majorly between the North and igbos not the whole Nigeria!


Muslims are in charge of Jerusalem as we speak, does it make Christians cowards? Or weak?

I have a video of how malnourished your children were, your war lord left his people yet he's brave right?

Yoruba hasn't been in any notable war recently. We don't brag about our prowess like your "China achebe" duly depicted in his "things fall apart" but if there should arise another civil war, don't be surprised yorubas are fully ready.

I forgot to reply your points here:
First the war was with Biafra on one side and the rest of Nigeria on the other, please name me a part of Nigeria that didn’t participate? Don’t for that brig adekunle led a Yoruba dominated 3 marine commandos of 35000 full strength, don’t forget lot of Yoruba and middle belters in shuwa’s first division, same with 2 division.

Jerusalem is not top priority for any Christian nation I know now, since the end of the crusade, in fact the Israelis occupy most of it and it is an Arab and Jew problem. Wrong example in my opinion.

Yes our women and children starved during the war, but that’s what happens in a devastating war, both sides blamed each other and the debate goes on till today, but ask those starving babies and they’ll still choose starvation over Nigeria. The belief in Biafra and freedom and our own civilisation is that strong and hard for non Biafrans to understand its further buttressed by a failed nation called Nigeria as we now witness since 70s.
At least you answered my question that the Yoruba haven’t had to fight any war on their own in modern times.
I don’t get your chinua Achebe analogy.

Bless

johntolu:
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What you are saying in essence, is that the coup was planned by Igbo military Officers to hijack political power violently, from the Hausa-Fulanis. That is the only reason why Nwafor Orizu, an Igbo man will hand over political power to a military Officer, Aguiyi Ironsi, also an Igbo man after the coup..

I don’t know which Igbo village wale ademoyega is from but he said he’s Yoruba, in his book, he said he and Emma ifeajuna started the plot and brought others in. So I guess that cancels the Igbo coup angle. Nigeria army had about 45 majors in 1966 about 32 were igbos due to northern discrimination of sending northerners on short service 6 months whilst igbos are sent to sandhurst 2 yrs course. Naturally they plotted amongst their ranks and ideological lines. Hard to accept I know.

With regards to orizu handing over to ironsi, I refer you to your brother and one of my favourite officers col victor banjo’s letter to ironsi from detention where he said unequivocally that it was him mainly that asked ironsi to take power, this move was supported by all in that meeting and some of them alive today have not refuted this assertion. In attendance were: ironsi, banjo, wey, kurubo, gowon, anwunah. It wasn’t even an Igbo dominated meeting but these are facts hidden from Nigerians just to justify the killings of igbos.

Please try and disprove my points first you keep taking the easy option of asking questions.
Bless

johntolu:
Why kill Maimalari & Ademoyegun and spare Ironsi?
Why kill Okotie-Eboh and spare Mbadiwe.
Why kill Balewa and spare Nnamdi & Orizu?

Like I said to you when you remove the false ethnic angle and look at the party angle you start to see different, I know that’s very hard to do. But just do a quick check of akintola and brig ademulagun’s activities on jan 14 1966 and get back to me.
It was a political plot. To answer your question again, outside okotie eboh, those killed were NpC or NNDP leaders and the military backers. Please disprove that angle.
Ironsi was alerted by col Pam and also unknown to the plotters he went to another party that night after maimalari’a hence they missed him at his house.
Please double check my points before rebuttals and please disprove them if you can, we’re all here to learn.

johntolu:
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Kindly provide reason(s) why no single Igbo speaking political and military officer was killed during the 'Igbo coup' against the Nigerian state in comparison to other Nigerians tribes that have their political and military officers assassinated by the Igbo rebels.
The only Igbo military Officer killed during the Igbo coup, was Col. Ugbeaja, who refused to surrender the armory keys to the bandits.

You contradict yourself, when you say no Igbo officer was killed then say Unegbe was killed. Then you rehash the Nigerian lie that he was killed for armoury keys. When the truth is that he was killed because of his closeness to brig maimalari.

Also don’t forget the coup failed in the east both on jan15 and July 29 rubbishing claims that jan 15 was an Igbo coup.

Plus the coup was politically motivated and not ethnical, it was the NPC and NNDP leaders and their military backers that were killed. I can explain okotie eboh later.

johntolu:
I still do not know the reason why the much awaited 'Ibadan declaration', is taking ages to be declared by our political and religious leaders, to effect the expulsion of these ingrates from our land.
The best treatment to give these ingrates, is the HausaFulani treatment.
They only have regard for violent men and not gentlemen. They have the greatest respect and fear for the Hausa Fulanis despite the 3rd class status they have in Northern Nigeria. Their new master is Sheik (Alhaji)Asari Dokubo, the Sarkin Musulumi of Ijaw land whom they hold in awe and reverence because he is a violent man.

How are igbos ingrates ? That you come on nairaland to with hate and meet hateful igbos doesn’t mean all igbos are bad and deserve violence meted out on them. How can you advocate expulsion on a people based on online arguments with faceless people whom you can’t even prove their real identity. Think think.

The Fulani you hail for violence we fought them and the rest of Nigeria to a standstill. And these days fight them any time they try to kill us.

But in the end we gain nothing from hate and violence period.

Thiwalade:
Igbos claiming yorubas are cowards....

What has your bravery achieved since independence?

If yorubas had been the opposition to northerners during the civil war, we would've won with strategy, losing lesser numbers.


Yorubas are blessed with intelligence and wisdom.

We don't just jump into war, we calculate risks, draw deep breathes and attack at the right time

There's a difference between bravery and stupidity.

Ogbon ju agbara lo.

Wisdom is better than sheer strength.

Points of correction igbos did not fight only northern Nigeria as you say, they fought the whole Nigeria with your people included. Also between the two groups, the north is actually holding parts of your land in illorin and non in Igbo land. That civil war wasn’t a walkover as people make it out to be on this forum, the facts show that Nigerian forces were given a bloody nose. Yes Biafra lost in the end but they won the admiration of the world even in defeat.

And when you say you calculate which war to fight please can you tell us this war that you chose to fight that was so calculating.

Biafran war was fought to show that you cannot kill our people while we stand by win lose or draw we had to do something. That’s what a real man does.

Bless you

klinsbar:
What is the problem with most of the Igbo's? Must the Yoruba do your wishes Azikiwe and his party form alliance with the north to defeat the southwest candidate in their land (Lagos).the Igbo's and northern army plotted coup without any of the Yoruba officers involvement yet your army officers killed our yoruba political leaders,heaven did not fall...Igbo's has never supported a truly yoruba candidate from awolowo to Abiola to olu false yet we are stiil accommodating Igbo's in all the southwest state...leave tinubu alone .none of your leaders has imparted positively to your region like tinubu has done to the southwest.

I think you should check your facts again regarding the coup. The chief plotters were Emma ifeajuna and wale ademoyega. Also check Fola oyewole and also check the real reason why Fajuyi was killed along side ironsi. I know tempers and hate are high on this forum but let the truth and facts still prevail.

umarshehu58:
They engage in bad act 1000 times before they make the country proud in just 1 time.

Igbo amaka

Do you mind telling us any time your side of the country has made us proud globally in sports science literature etc

When our brothers say they are from Benin, I ask where exactly in Benin did they emigrate from ? Which town or city did they migrate from? And are they aware that benin empire at its height stretched from the banks of the niger to Ghana, meaning it contains many tribes and tongues. I’ve been to Agbor and could hear them speaking their Igbo dialect well apart from few sounds. We fought the civil war together as well. The head of Biafran Navy was from Agbor rear admiral Anuku.

This denial started after the war as nobody wants to associate with a loss. Dennis osadebey would be rolling in his grave to see that some not all our brothers are openly denying us. Also your language and name are your only identity markers by God, culture and traditions can be acquired or can change over time.Igwe bu Ike

For me traffic congestion in Nigerian cities is caused by:
1. Bad roads
2. Bad town planning
3. Lack of traffic lights �
4. Unnecessary bottlenecks
5. Bad road access planning

Other issues like indiscipline, car breakdowns etc are secondary. Get the basics right and you’ll reap rewards in moving the economy forward, quality of life, pollution etc.