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HungerBAD:
IBB again?interesting.

He was overthrown in 1985 because of frustration in the society under his regime?

Just to be sure this is not a fake story, i had to follow the link. Even at that, i am still doubting if IBB granted this interview, as i see this as nothing more than him telling the Military to Overthrow the Government of Buhari now.

IBB is too smart to be saying dumb stuff like this, so i will let the matter slide.

Buhari overthrew a democratically elected civilian govt.


If he is overthrown today, nobody and I repeat nobody will shed a tear for this highly illiterate sectional bigoted tyrant .

Cyph98:
Truth be told you make no sense to me either. Have fun digging into history.



On the other hand I'm yet figure out your message behind this epistle.

The message is that murtala declared his intention to seccede from Nigeria long before Biafra agitation.

If you like keep denying the truth

989900:
"Which one do you produce?": Thought process of a lame mind, à la a simpleton.

"why can't we produce them?": Thought process of an inquisitive and intelligent mind.

"How do we start producing them now?": Thought process of a shrewd, brilliant, and an entrepreneurial mind.

You know who you are . . .

Rubbish

At least if you can't produce anything you can at least try to increase our forex Base by farming cocoa

Get to work you lazy Taju

Oktoberfest:
Exactly why "the willing tools" and "conquered regions" wld continue to lag behind...keep pushing for more division in d name of "history"

So we should sweep away the ugly truth of the past in order to promote unity?


The reason you have another Biafran agitation 50yrs after the war is because the issues surrounding the war were never addressed.

Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

Nellybii:
So to the gullibos that cooked up this fiction, PMB has no immunity right?. How can we decide to wallow in such self inflicted emotional stress. The ogogoro IB has lost the elections. PMB is there till 2023. Get this into y'all thick skulls and get used to it.

The case was instituted when he had no immunity besides this is a civil suit and not a criminal case.

Immunity only covers criminal prosecution an not civil suits.

The outcome of this suit is to determine if buhari was qualified to run for presidency ; if buhari has the minimum constitutionally required academic qualifications. If buhari can not prove he is qualified he stands to be impeached for perjury.

Cyph98:
since when does intentions translate to actions and hell no, I don't call that hypocrisy, i call it patriotism

You are not making sense.

What does this useless statement have to do here?

You defended the atrocious war to reunite Nigeria even though it was waged by secessionist elements from the north.

You defended the pogroms on igbos claiming they celebrated the coup plotters of Jan 15 and then you have the audacity to call me a bigot?

You want the truth suppressed in the name of patriotism. Even where it is abundantly clear your hero Murtala was a sectional nutcase.

It seems your problem is beyond blind patriotism.

Mumu OP doesn't understand that he too can be on Wikipedia

Cyph98:
I tell you my brother I see no truth at all. What I see is Bigotry camouflaged as history

You are yet to dispute one fact I have posted on this thread.

What you should remember is the truth does not care about your feelings. Like it or hate it, it remains the truth.

Cyph98:
The aforementioned are not worth reintroducing into this century. Its the 21st centuty for crying out loud, how do you think a particular region can suppress another region in the eyes of modern civilization. This is no era of kingdoms and empires so quit mentioning Usman Danfodio

As for Shekau you and I know what have become of his fate. Come to think of it you are only vindicating my point,the нιѕтory you're habouring is of no use. The earlier you quit thinking within the circumference of the last age the better for us all.
Cheers

My point exactly is that for Murtala to wage a vicious war to reunite Biafra with Nigeria after he once declared his intention to declare northern independence from the rest of the nation is pure hypocrisy.


All other rubbish you are saying is total irrelevant as I choose to use history as a guide to the future.

Aaronzy:
the leader of the coup was an Igbo, 80 of the plotters wer Igbo. Even after the coup the Igbo's allover the nation wer celebrating it and calling the Mutineers national heroes.....so what ever Nzeogwu and Ifeajuna might have in mind dosn't concern us, all we knw is dat the Igbo's wer behind it

The coup was celebrated in the SW


Awo supporters took to the streets to celebrate the coup.

Call it what you want but it wasn't an Igbo agenda.

This has been the lie used to justify the pogroms in the north and the genocide in Biafra.

If you took a cursory look at the history of coup in nigeria you will find that coup plotters are drawn from the same cadre. Ethnicity, religion and school of thought


Jan 15. Mid ranking officers of leftist ideology

July 1966. Junior hausa/fulani Muslim officers

1975 coup. Colonels coup (graduants of the class of July 1966.

1976. Mid ranking Christian minority officers led by Dimka.

1983. General's coup comprising of the same fulani hausa group of July 1966.

1985 followup of 1983 group.

1991. Reminants of middle belt officers that survived the 1976 purge.

Coups are a serious affair and as we can see only those with strong bonds can trust each other in such risky affair.

So we see groups of individuals with same Ethnicity and religion and background staging a coup.


The big difference is what the outcome or end result they intend to achieve.

The Jan 15 coup did not have an igbo agenda but as we can see with the mutiny of 1966 led by Murtala had a regional agenda.

For Murtala to go to war against Biafra in the name of keeping Nigeria one and United when only a few months back he was planning to seccede reeks of the highest level of hypocrisy.

Ironically, Murtala will exit the stage in the same manner he entered it - in a hail of bullets fired by the same group of ignorant northern Christian minorities that he was allied to in his bloodletting of his fellow officers and soldeirs


And to think this man is considered a national hero

Cyph98:
Can you frankly point out any issues in this write up that is worth discussing

Why are you posting on a pointless thread?

If you see nothing worth discussing then simply exit the thread.

You alone have called for censorship of a pointless thread here and is advocating for the suppression of the contents of this thread


Pray tell why you are so bent on censoring the truth?

Cyph98:
That's history and will forever be history, move on and create a better history for the next generation

If we don't know our history and where we are coming from how can we move foward?

The likes of Nzeagwo were deluded by African unity and nationalism that flourished during the 60's with African nations being granted independence.

If they had stopped to study the history of Islamic jihad in the north they would have known that their Marxist utopia of one united Nigeria was a pipe dream.

Fast forward to present day and the north has not bulged their stand in promoting ultra conservative Islamic rule over the polity.

From the likes of Uthman Dan Fodio, Haman Yijah, Maitassine to Shekau the north remains steadfast in dominating and oppressing other cultures through the imposition of Sharia.

How does a mono cultural society promote diversity?


If the north does not respect your culture, beliefs and religion how then can you promote a multicultural society and one big happy Nigeria?

Ariani:
What's you plan? To get the Yoruboid Mods to hid under the frivolous excuse of "Promotion of secession" to close the thread?

Why are you jittery? If you don't feel comfortable with the thread, you can take your leave, let other comfortable with it discuss the issues raised.

That is their modus operandi.

Hide under one of their useless censorship rules.

If anything I can declare about NL is how most of the posters and mods hate the truth.

Cyph98:
I'm still trying to get the "red pill" in this thread.
And please stop hiding under the facade of history. You seek to promote hate and sectorial hatred through this lecture.

I don't think anybody needs to be promoting hate in a hate filled Nigeria.

Murtala's actions and motives are what is being discussed.

Twy:
I don't think anybody who knows history did not know that murtala wanted to lead a rebellion that will break up teh country. I think the British later came in to mediate, joined by Adetokunbo Ademola and a few others.

Most of the neophytes here don't know this crucial fact.

faaz24:
I think the actions of the first coupists led us to where we find ourselves today. Killing leaders from the north and excluding their 'brothers. The MBelt only took the bold step to keep nigeria as one.

The coup was not an Igbo coup.

Ironsi escaped by the whiskers.

The coup took up the Igbo tag after Ironsi dissolved govt and formed a central military govt.

If you must know the coup plotters wanted to impose Awolowo as head of state.

There is much error in determining the coup as an igbo plot when it wasn't the case but a simple case of misplaced leftist ideologists.

The Doctor that puts this rabid bigot down will be doing humanity a service and deserves an award.

989900:
You are so right, I can't figure any of those 41 we should be importing in the first place . . . wheel barrow, plastic, toothpick, soap, tomato paste, . . .

Which one do you produce?

faaz24:
What morals are there in this write up ?

Why try to stoke the embers of hate ?

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

This thread shows how the south and middle belt handed Nigeria to the north.

The same thing continues till this day with most southerners believing more in a northern candidate as President than one of their own.

This is not a hate thread but a bitter red pill of Truth that you all must swallow.

Reasons why Murtala intended to declare an independent northern state


Murtala had no clue on how to secure power beyond the Barracks.

He intended to flee to the north fearing that Ogundipe will not make the same mistake as Ironsi in disciplining all those found wanting in staging a mutiny.

Ironically, 10yrs later Obasanjo will be the first Military head of state not to repeat Ironsi's mistake of not trying coup plotters by ensuring that Murtala's murderers and accomplices were given the maximum punishment.

It is on this ground that Ogundipe was eased out of the army for a much younger Gowon.

Gowon's emergence as head of state wasn't because of a northern successful coup led by Murtala but as a concession to prevent Northern Nigeria from secceding. And we can all see that Murtala intended to seccede to save his neck from prosecution in his role in leading a mutiny to kill his fellow officers and men all because of their tribal links.

The man Murtala is a criminal

meccuno:
but why did the chicken cross the road?

That phrase is a codex used by occultist to identify their members.

A chicken is the basic ritual sacrifice in satanic worship.

The required answer is ; to get to the other side

The other side here refers to the spiritual underworld.


You sacrifice a chicken to get to the spiritual world.

What I want to read is how many ministers attended?

Was it down from 22 ministers last week?

The British built the Nigerian military around minority tribes from the middle belt.

This is why Kaduna is home to Nigeria's military and birth place of its formation.

The idea by Lugard was simply to recruit oppressed minorities into his territorial army as auxiliary infantry in dealing with the northern caliphate - a sort of counter insurgency.

This led to the Nigerian Army up till 1976 to be dominated by minority Christians from the middle belt. The demobilisation of the military eased out the Christian minorities from the army after Dimka's coup which was orchestrated mainly by Christian minorities from the middle belt and led to the massive recruitment of Hausa/Fulanis in their place.

Most of the atrocitues committed in the counter coup of July 1966, the followup pogroms on Igbos in the north and war crimes during the civil war were not commited by Hausa Fulani alone but by the same Christian minorities of the middle belt.

This is why no Igbo should cry for Jos people or Tivs and Idomas for they formed the bulk of NCOs in the Nigerian Army and with their active connivance made it possible for Murtala and co to stage a bloody massacre of southern officers and soldeirs.

As you all can see from Domkat Bali's quote above, the Middle belt fought a civil war to prevent their impending domination by the caliphate.

What we must ask these set of people is, is a united Nigeria under Hausa Fulani domination giving you peaceful dreams?

Don't cry for Agatu in so many ways they deserve what they are getting.

"I come from a small tribe - the Tarok tribe in Langtang. It is a small tribe from a small group. If the north secures independence from the rest of the country the Hausa/Fulani will be so dominant and will lord over us whether we like it or not. A bigger Nigeria will check such excesses. So the bigger Nigeria, the freer my tribe and myself will be". - Domkat Bali


The very fear yorubas have of a renewed Biafran agitation is what the likes of Domkat Bali held 50yrs ago.

https://books.google.com.ng/books?id=S1s9EqmAN1IC&pg=PA121&lpg=PA121&dq=domkat+bali+on+northern+secession&source=bl&ots=kD1_Lq2z3E&sig=EMLj3Z2Z6tUIxdafgSxZk-a-wj4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=domkat%20bali%20on%20northern%20secession&f=false

But on a fine morning in July 1966 the right aircraft was on the apron in Lagos about to depart for London. This was also the morning when troops from the Hausa north decided to undo the previous year’s coup when troops from the Ibo east had slaughtered their prime minister and taken over. The airport was obviously a first target and was taken over without too many shots being fired, although we carried several bullet holes in the office wall. Naturally the rebels did not know that the Nigeria Airways aircraft on the tarmac was not part of their spoils, and immediately took it over. It took a lot of explaining to convince them that we owned it.

The crew were sent back to the Airport Hotel, the captain kindly offering to look after their allowances as we were a little busy(!!), and, shortly after, we started negotiations with the rebel major in an effort to get permission to operate the aircraft. The rebels were worried about their families in a hostile area, and suggested that, if we would fly them to Kano, the flight to London could then leave. It was perhaps fortuitous that we had no immediate way of communicating with Ops Control and the captain was quite happy with this arrangement.

So, standing in the flight deck with the major, I pulled out an old envelope and we both signed an agreement on the back of it to charter the aircraft for three hours at £750 a flying hour - where I got that figure from I have no idea.

The families were collected and loaded and off the aircraft went with a rebel soldier and his loaded gun sitting on the flight deck - the captain really was brilliant. We heard from ATC that the aircraft had arrived in Kano and taken off again only then to be horrified to hear that it had returned. It turned out that the captain had left his rebel soldier behind!
http://betteronacamel.com/Nigeria-Things-Other-than-the-World-Cup-by-Don-Ford-1966-

What most of you are not aware of is the fact that Murtala Mohammed as head of the army mutiny planned to secede from Nigeria

The so called counter coup of July 1966 wasn't a coup per se but a string of mutinies orchestrated by Northern officers and NCOs not for the sake of grabbing power but for avenging the deaths of Northern politicians and soldiers.

The mutiny was limited to 3 of the 5 battalions ; Ibadan, Abeokuta and Ikeja.

The mutiny was limited to only these 3 garrisons and there was no attempt by the northerners to arrest or kill Ogundipe who naturally had become the most senior surviving officer after Aguyi Ironsi's murder.

The mutiners confined themselves to their Barracks from where they hoisted the northern flag.


There was also a hijacking of a British airliner by Northern officers who forced the pilot to convey their families to Kano.

This alone should tell you that they were not interested in seizing power but merely revenging the killing of their fellow northerners.

A call was sent to the military governor of Kano, Hassan Katsina to prepare Ilorin to receive northern soldiers.

It took the combined efforts of Gowon, Northern Permsecs and envoys of both the US and UK to persuade Murtala to dump the idea of secceding.

Gowon rhetorically asked Murtala how he intended to pay his soldeirs wages reminding him that all the money is in Lagos.

The Christian minority officers like Domkat Bali were also not interested in having northern Nigeria seccede as they felt that they will be dominated by the Hausa fulanis.

The US and British envoys made it clear that the north should forget about any financial aid from them if they continue on the path of seccession.

It was only after sense was railed into the aggressive Murtala that he dropped his seccession demands.

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