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¤LIONS of Cameroon
¤ELEPHANTS of Cote D'ivoire
¤Super EAGLES of Nigeria
¤SQUIRRELS of Benin
¤Republic HAWKS of Togo
¤EAGLES of Mali
¤Atlas LIONS of Morocco
¤STALLIONs of Burkina Faso
¤Teranga LIONs of Senegal
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¤The Carthage EAGLES of Tunisia...[/quote]LWKMD. Nairaland doesn't disappoint!

Tolexander: what does this mean?

Loved by all nigerians expect the hausa and yorubas?


Man, you've fallen prey of these;

Fallacy of hasty generalization!

fallacy of unwarranted assumption!

Irrelevant conclusion!

Argumentum ad misericordiam

fallacy of false presumption.

Argumentum ad podium.

superior1: Ezekiel 18vs 1-2
1 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, 2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge?

Galatians 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Answer to OP
Do generational curses exist: Yes

Can a born again come under curses: A born again Christian shouldn't be under any form of curses but ignorance on the part of the Christian can make him be illegally affected by a curse just like the Nigerian Police can detain you even when you are on your right. Knowledge and enforcing your right can get you off the situation.

What to do: if you are a born again Christian and you suspect satan is trying to afflict you with a common evil occurrence in your family, stand your ground, pray and break it, if you think you need an assistance approach a mature Christian brother to agree with you.

No further questions! Excellent Post!

DerideGull: Above post is a conjectural crap instigated by ignorance and avoidable boredom. The inhabitants of Nigeria are fundamentally different in culture, tradition, spirit, food, house they live, dance and physique.
In nature, the first law is called self preservation. It is funny you wanted to better Africa and World yet you have not lifted yourself into a level slightly above poverty. The line of thought displayed in the post is called infantile postulation. There is no reason to have Nigeria continue as a country for one day.

Most people of Nigerian background who have lived in UK and USA for decades still have their organizations based on ethnicity. Anything termed Nigeria has not worked in the lands of the wise. It is idiocy for one to think anything Nigeria will work in the land of fools such as Nigeria itself.

USSR was a country which developed into world power by all standards and led by a dominate culture-Russia still found a way to collapse. Nigeria is colonial mistake that will never work not after a modern war of attrition was fought. I hope Nigerians will find a peacefully way to disengage from each other instead of another war of attrition.

It is not crap. You talked about the law of self preservation as though every human being should guide all volition by such law. The law of self preservation is the law of the jungle: what we need are forthright leaders who are ruled by better laws like justice and fair play.

You mentioned USSR. It's funny how selective one can be when finding evidence to support a claim. What about Switzerland? it's thriving despite the many nationalities within its borders. The problem of Nigeria is not tribal but corrupt leadership.

If only you can channel the pressurized energy that created your post into finding solutions to our leadership problem, we are on our way to becoming great (just as the op suggested).

chima12: I have learnt not to take people like the opp seriously.the opp comes to tell us he is yoruba,he writes all these long lines claiming he abhors tribal politics.but where was he when fani kayode,an ex minister of yoruba origin was busy insulting Igbos online and on the pages of newspapers?the op never came then to write against tribalism.
Where was the op when there were threads about fani kayodes corruption during his time as minister?
Where was the op when iyabo,obj,lagos speaker are busy looting the national and state treasuries,tinubus great ponzi scheme in respect to the lekki concession?
The op was nowhere to be found,he never came here to talk about justice for looters,nor write against corruption,yes we know why,because all the culprits involved are yorubas.
When one sees the number of yorubas who come on the net to applaud fani kayode while he insulted Igbos repeatedly,you begin to wonder what kind of human beings yorubas are.the op never came here to write against tribalism then,yes we know why,because fani kayode is a yoruba man like you so either you applaud him,defend him but to criticize or speak against his actions and his hateful tribal writeups is out of the question for you.there are numerous threads on nairaland of yoruba govt officials like ifukuruji,the lagos speaker and how they are looting their states dry,I know you never bothered to write against all that corruption in southwest because those involved are your yoruba tribesmen,if you can't write or fight against corruption when the culprits are your yoruba tribesmen,if you can't protest against govt officials accused of corruption because the are your fellow yoruba tribesmen,then shove it,keep your epistles to yourself,we are not fo0ls,you need the sermon more than we do.

Was the op's article too long for you to read and understand?

Jenams: Politics can really change a man, cos atimes I do sit down to wonder if this is still d same Adams of NLC *smh*

Its funny sometimes how people talk and dnt listen to themselves, the very same oshiomole that said to Jonathan: Forget About National Conference''
is still the same oshiomole listing topics he wants for dialogue by the said conference he is against.
''What I want is a
national dialogue on unemployment.
I mean, how to get our young people
back to work.
“I want a national conference on how
we can prohibit importation of some
goods and ensure that Nigerians
consume made in Nigeria products.
"I want a national conference on how
we can revive the Ikeja industrial
base, the Apapa industrial base, the
Isolo industries, the Bompai and
Sharandi industries in Kano, how Aba
and Delta textiles can be revived.
“You know the whole industries in
Kano produced me.
OR did GEJ term these aforementioned areas by oshiomole as ''NO GO AREA''?

He only wants GEJ to restrict any national conference to youth employment.

Billyonaire: Oshiomole, that's just your lame opinion, my opinion is different from yours. I need SNC.

Oshiomole ought to know at his age that employment generation is principally private sector driven and Government can only create an atmosphere that promotes employment generation and not be seen carrying baggage of employment and saddled with recurring expenses from non-productive workforce.

I still believe that Oshiomole is not just ugly, he is getting sillier as other APC mosquitoes.

Nothing in the article indicates Oshiomole wanted the Federal Government to directly employ the youths. In fact he was urging the government to do as you suggested, "...create an atmosphere that promotes employment generation.... And yet you called him silly!

Clerverly: “I want a national conference on how we can prohibit importation of some goods and ensure that Nigerians consume made in Nigeria products.

"I want a national conference on how we can revive the Ikeja industrial base, the Apapa industrial base, the Isolo industries, the Bompai and Sharandi industries in Kano, how Aba and Delta textiles can be revived.

ajayikayod: Brother of God, nothing WAVERING IMPLIES DOUBT, and that is d direct opposite of Faith in ur context. U cant stand in both d sametime.

Don't you meditate on the Word of God? It does help you know. The Bible is not a book that you just read, cram its verses and put down. Let's read James 1:6-7 (KJV) again:

"6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea
driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any
thing of the Lord."

There's nothing in the above scripture that precludes the scenario of praying/acting in faith now and doubting later, which is usually the case with many believers. Even Peter wasn't exempt from such behavioral pattern. Matthew 14:22-33 is instructive, but let's read it from verse 28 through 31:

"28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the
water, to go to Jesus.
30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried,
saying, Lord, save me.
31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him,
O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?"

Starting in faith does not mean you cannot doubt later. Peter's faith kept him on the surface of the waters. And when that faith faltered Peter began to sink.

It is also instructive to note that Jesus called Peter a person of little faith. The fact that little faith exists implies great faith is, all of which is still consistent with my earlier position that believers do not all operate on the same level of faith! Even the same believer could show great faith in one situation and falter miserably in another.

ajayikayod: Do u actually believ d scriptures? Really u need to check dt, ask urself dt question. ar u for real?

JUSTIFIED - (dik-ah-yo'-o) Declared or made righteous in the sight of God
Romans 3:21-26
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ [/b]unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 [b]For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being JUSTIFIED FREELY by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Bro, why lifting scriptures out of context? ar believers still come short of God's glory? dt includes Paul.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
Romans 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
I Corinth 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness[b], and sanctification, and redemption:
1 Corinth 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, [b]but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Jesus Christ. are u a preacher of d Law? a worker of self righteousness? Do u cast out demons in ur unrighteousness or unjustified state? Go ask d sons of sceva

All the scriptures you just rolled out do not say that believers including Paul are without sin, they only tell us about our redemption in Christ Jesus. The Salvation work of Christ does not make sin disappear from believers. The Bible is clear, and I repeat, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:8-9 KJV). That scripture is definitive enough!

It is ironic that you are holding brief for Paul who admits that sin dwells in his flesh. Romans 7:18-23 reads thus, "18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

"20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."


You see, your position that believers are without sin is hopelessly untenable!

ajayikayod: Seriously, u just disappointed me, bro. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee dont ever quote Romans 3:23 for a believer again. Plzzzzzzzz.

I will continue to pray for you that God deliver you from the spirit of error!

ajayikayod: I wonder wat d church stands for, i wonder wat type of specimen ds millennium deliverance ministers has turned believers into.

U kno wat, no matter d experience acquired, books read, prophesies fulfilled, only one thing judges all: THE WORD OF GOD.

Nobody is contesting the supremacy of the Word of God in judging the conduct or volition of a believer. But you must at least have a thorough understanding of the Word of God to be a very good judge. If your knowledge is flawed, your judgment will be flawed. The accuracy of your judgment is directly related to the depth of your Knowledge. Simple.

ajayikayod: Which one is unflinching faith again. pls dont deprive believers of thr right in Christ, why demand wat d scripture doesnt demand.

The scripture demands it! you want proof? Here we go.

First, a proper definition of "unflinching" is appropriate. According to the Oxford Dictionary, the word "unflinching" means bold, constant, determined, firm, immovable, resolute, stalwart, staunch, steadfast, steady, unfaltering, unshaken, unshrinking, unswerving, unwavering.

James 1:6-7 (KJV) reads thus, "6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord."

James 1:6-7 affirms what Jesus says in Matthew 21:21. So, scripture requires that we exercise unflinching faith! After all, everyone has a measure of faith, but only unwavering faith produces desired results.

ajayikayod: Bro, pls try do a more diligent study on dt.

Is that an easy opt out? If you have a better explanation for Gal 5: 22-23 show me. What you typed here is abysmally evasive.

ajayikayod: U asked was Paul without sin? I answer u, Yes, Paul was/is without one

Paul, without sin?(!). Are you for real?

Romans 3:23 (KJV) says that, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."

1 John 1:8 KJV reads thus, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

This is very elementary. I wonder what informed the response that Paul was without sin?

superior1: Let me make a little clarification so you can understand me better.
Man is a spirit, born again Christians have got Holy Spirit residing in their spirits hence can't come under demonic possession.

Man also have a soul which is the seat of his sub conscious and conscious mind, this also influences his emotion. It is possible and I have seen born again being obsessed by demons, you see issues of trauma, depression, insanity, hearing strange voices etc affecting them, of course for this to happen, the demon will have a legal ground or open door which it is using, a trained deliverance minister will try to identify this (most times direct or inherited sins), the born again Christian repents of this and the demon will be sent packing.

Man also have a body, it is possible and I have seen born again come under attack also in this area, I have seen cancer disappearing without a trace, illness that have been reoccuring in a family or a person gone without medical intervention etc.

Every born again has a protecting wall around him, like Job was protected and satan needed permission to cross that wall but sin most times open up this wall giving room for a legal ground (it is he who opens the edge, the serpent will bite). That is why Christians should not give room to the devil or indulge in sin

Thank you very much!

ajayikayod: Whn u throw things away in d name of beside d point, it doesnt allow a proper understanding of issues at hand. Following ur line of tot, we then conclude dt Jesus needed deliverance too (Let ds cup pass over...). But glory b to God, he is d deliverer.

My line of reasoning does not force the conclusion that Jesus needed deliverance. Remember Jesus was without sin. Was Paul without sin? After all, the source of all bondage is sin. So how can somebody without sin need deliverance?

ajayikayod: U ar not answering my questions

Act 10:46, Act 19:6, Mark 16:15-18. If a believer had to grow for some time, lik u said b4 functioning in Spirit abilities, why is tongue diff. D truth is they ar all of one - Spirit given.

I was specific. I referred to faith! I don't want to detract from the present issue by entangling myself with the issue of tongues, that is for another thread. I deliberately quoted 1Cor 12:9 and Gal 5:22-23 for you to read carefully, but your response indicated otherwise. The Scriptures you reeled out would work for a believer if and only if he has unflinching faith in them. As I said before, and I reiterate, faith is both a gift and a fruit of the Spirit. You however do not agree that faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit because according to you the "Holy Spirit doesn't bear fruits."

Gal 5:22-23 KJV reads thus, "22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." If you pay careful attention to the word "Spirit" you will notice that Spirit is a capital S which refers to the Holy Spirit and not the human spirit. Fruit is also singular not plural...I need not dwell any more on this, Galatians 5:22 is clear enough.

I agree that when you have strong faith and therewith act or stand on the word of God, of course the word of God will prevail. But this begs the question, "Do all believers operate like this? The answer is NO. Why? We need not go far: strongholds! Some believers have been born again for decades and yet still behave like spiritual babes. Why again? Strongholds! A stronghold may not allow a believer to walk in the fullness of the victory of God's Word, unless and until the stronghold (vitiating his faith in God's Word) is mortally dealt with. What is even most troubling is that some of these strongholds are so carefully hidden from the believer that he doesn't even know they are there!

A sermon can expose and destroy a stronghold. Prayers (with fasting if you like) can expose and destroy a stronghold. Praying in the spirit can expose and destroy a stronghold. Studying and Meditating on the word of God can destroy a stronghold. A word of knowledge from the ministering pastor can expose and destroy a stronghold. What else apart from these do they do in a deliverance service? So a believer that goes to a deliverance service is not acting against the Word of God, regardless of whether Paul mentioned deliverance or not! Praise God to many believers who now walk in victory due to deliverance services.

If you believe that common sense is good enough to deal with particular strongholds, and it works for you, glory be to the Name of The Lord. To others who believe they can get and are getting help from deliverance services, I say again, glory be to the Name of the Lord. However, if you do not belong to the latter group, let not thy faith be a stumbling block to thy brethren.

ajayikayod: Mark16:15-18, And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues...
If casting out devils require levels or elders then speaking in new tongues should require dt too. I hav to attain a level to speak in tongues.

Act 10:46, For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. (New convert)
Act 19:6, And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. (Convert too).

If Jesus mean "speaking in tongues" requirement is believ in Him, then bro, casting out devils is not exempted.

Paul? reading dt chapter in totality should show u dt d mean of paul's "messenger of Satan or torn in d flesh" is not even close to wat u believ it is. If Paul needs deliverance, i bet u who can escape. Carefully study Paul, not even once will u see him talking on deliverance in d light of wat u understand. A clear understanding of deliverance will show u dt most things u said here demean d position of a believer in christ (Complete In Him)...

The implication of Paul needing deliverance is beside the point. And whatever meaning you assign to Paul's "messenger of satan" is also beside the point. What is clear in the Bible is that Paul was tormented by it and needed relief and asked to be free of it! If that is not needing deliverance, I wonder what is!

You implied that Paul didn't preach deliverance. Nor did he preach Baptism. Jesus went through baptism. Believers are still being baptized, what then is your point? That Paul didn't preach deliverance is irrelevant to the validity of the ministry of deliverance.

The scriptures you quoted are promises made to believers, nevertheless you would exercise faith to walk in the fullness of these promises. But faith is a gift (1Cor 12:9) and also a fruit of the Spirit(Gal.5:22-23), so the exercise of faith differ from one believer to the other despite the fact that they've all accepted Christ as Lord and Saviour. If faith is a gift to one believer, to another it is a fruit of the Spirit which develops over time.

You asked me to remove renewing of the mind from the list of what deliverance is because it would make deliverance a continuous process. Not a chance! Who told you deliverance is a one time event? Else, there wouldn't be any need for believers, as demonstrated in the Lord's prayer, to pray for deliverance from evil. Nor would we need an Advocate on the right hand side of God interceding for us (Romans 8:34, note the present continuous tense). As long as the works of darkness is ongoing, deliverance will be a lifetime process until the trumpet blows.

Further more, deliverance is also a function of knowledge. And in so far as you agree that none is above renewing, then none (including Paul) should be above deliverance!

Here's the thing, every time you overcome temptations or undo any work of Satan, you are going through deliverance. Deliverance could be from sickness or anger or lust or fear or even pride. So your suggestion that no believer needed deliverance is arrogant and unwarranted. Are you implying that you are perfect and immune to sin? You see, wanting deliverance doesn't necessarily mean you've submitted to a "messenger of Satan." It could mean being tormented by it, just as in the case of Paul.

And lastly, deliverance does not in any way demean the position of a believer who lives not by works but by God's Grace.

ajayikayod: @apostle007

Deliverance ministries? who gave it 2u? Bro dont let us go into dt. Casting out demons is bread of a believer, dont enslave them becos of thr ignorance. Well, when a believer want is quick and fix solutions ds is wat they end up in. Mayb u can show me a believer who needed deliverance in d scripture or Nigeria's believer ar different?
Jesus, Paul dont spare those who come publicly to demean his work by claiming special influence or ministries to enslave men, i wont too.

You've been bragging about your Bible Knowledge, and yet you exude little understanding. Merely knowing the letters of the bible does not give you knowledge.

Not all believers are on the same level of faith or knowledge, else the Church wouldn't need Elders. So don't tell me that "casting out demons is bread of a believer." Or are you implying that those who can't cast out demons aren't believers?

As to believers in scripture who needed deliverance, Paul that you quoted readily comes to mind. He asked for deliverance not once, but thrice. He wanted God to remove the messenger of Satan afflicting him, until God renewed his mind to that effect. Is that deliverance? Unequivocal "yes!"

You see, deliverance is not at all restricted to casting out demons. Breaking evil covenants is deliverance; casting down strongholds is deliverance; renewing your mind is deliverance; destroying spells and enchantments is deliverance.

Having said that, deliverance can come in many different ways: through praise and worship, strong faith, prayer session, evangelism, quiet time, including Bible study.

ajayikayod: I notice u giv so much credit to satan and demons, elevating them beyond thr abilities. U seems to even compare them to b in same class as God.
Bro, if u study ur bible well, u ll kno dt d devil is d most stupid personalty in d scripture who hides behind myths lik ur Op to decieve ppl.
U kno i asked u earlier, who actually is casting out who, d demon or u becos u sound lik u dont kno wat nxt to do. Even ppl of common sense here seems to kno wat next to do, how much more u (a new creation). wat does satan has dt he can giv? D earth is d lord...

My advice. Next time u hav issues lik ds, try talk to fellow christians around u for clarity or meet ur seniors dt showed u ds way of deliverance not bringing it to online forum whr ppl of all sorts will demean "the church" and create an unneccessary atmosphere. Ask urself, at d end, will ds Op glorify Christ and the church or make little of it?
Thr ar believers here doin great works (preaching, enlightening and praying regularly) on several individuals on nairaland so as to win them and expose the eternal defeat of satan, so bro, make d work b easier for us. Thanks.

Many of your comments on this thread border on spiritual arrogance. It's obvious you are not familiar with deliverance ministries; and hence, a little humility from you about what you're not familiar with wouldn't be inappropriate. Suggesting that the Op is either lying or ignorant is uncalled for.

ajayikayod: Bro. Pls stop lying online and creating wrong impressions on christianity. Go spend those time u r using to cast out demons on studying God's word. Dt ll help u alot not to ask such questions again. Even a young 12 year old bible student knows better. I wonder in whose name u r casting out, dt demons hav d gut to respond against. U r used to nollywood movies.

With wat u said is happening to u now, who exactly is casting who. U or d devil?

Praise God, you are winning souls on Nairaland, but it is the Holy Spirit that win souls. So how does he make your work less easy for you? If you are going to admonish a brother do so in love, it's only by the love we have for one another that people will know that we are His disciples (John 13:35).

A pen that gives you bomb alerts when you want to launch spelling missiles!

[quote author=Okija_juju]Meaning the guy was never dead...


The Doctors should be facing malpractice charges or negligence..

Even the bible says it that 'Its is appointed unto a man ONCE to die..', so if he resurrected, that means he was never dead..

You Christians should study your bible.. When you raise a dead person, Are you bringing him or her back from Hell or Heaven?

Fvck this story..[/quote]I do not agree with Okija_juju's conclusions, but he has raised some fundamental questions that need answering. On the face of it , if you accept that all men are “appointed to die, once, before the judgment," how then is that reconciled with all the dead raised in the Bible who have now died more than once before The Judgment. Either one or the other is true, not both!

The only way out of this is to accept that Hebrews 9:27 is not a universal truth, because these Scriptures ( 1 Kings 17:17-25, 2 Kings 4:32-37, 2 Kings 13, Luke 7:14-15, John 11: 38-44) contradict it. The truth of Hebrews 9:27 does not apply to all men; after all, some men will not die before The Judgment.

Being gay and being Christian...hmmn... mutually exclusive.

@joel lala: thumbs up! very good exposition.

A lot of nonsense on this thread! it's too early to judge Spurs.

Billyonaire: The 7 Governors are confused than Atiku, that is leading them blindly. After making clandestine move to register the PDM, they knew they can not declare for PDM voluntarily without losing their mandates and governorship seats, so they are looking for a way to be dismissed from the PDP so they can declare for PDM without losing their mandates. That's a smart move.

Now, PDP has to fashion out how to give them heat enough to make them defect voluntarily and lose their mandates and Governorship in time.

I suggest that Atiku and the Governors be suspended NOT dismissed from PDP immediately for anti-party activities and court injunction obtained that bars them from bearing PDP banners, logo etc until the case is resolved. That be protract till 2016.

Your suggestion to suspend the 7 governors may be effective for now, but such reasoning is not strategic for PDP.

I wonder why we don't look at the long-term consequence of our actions in this country? we could be more elegant in our decision making. You see, it is easy to use political power to cow the opposition, which we have been doing since independence. But what have we to show for it? "Wetie" in the old Western region, civil war, incessant coups, political unrest, Boko Haram, MEND, MASSOB,OPC, ASUU strikes...

A strong sovereign is not necessarily the most powerful. A sovereign is strong when he enjoys the consent of those he leads.

princefunmi: Probably Thor was testing out his hammer then

Nairaland is simply amazing!

nobaga: I cannot believe in what I just read about Prof. Kuti.

Obviously, this guy has some personal problem with the best health minister Nigeria ever had. The fact was that doctors do not like Olikoye because he push them into rural medicine. This is a guy that push primary care to the grassroots. Empowered health officers as rural doctors, promoted health workers in the rural areas to the dismay of nurses.

During his time health administrators that got stuck on level 14 went to level 16. This guy does not know what he is writing about. Enough!

Don't mind him, let him continue to rant. When he exits his trance of hatred, perhaps he will see clearly.

I don't believe any of the propositions listed. My people, make merry and enjoy yourselves!

Profiling someone exclusively on the basis of appearance is socially reckless...And now that they know it's Oprah, everything else they've been doing to explain themselves is damage control. The sales girl's presumption about Oprah was nothing more than a mistake; but I don't blame Oprah for mistaking her conduct for racism.

Xtargold: This question has been on my mind for a very long time.Are there really job opportunities for graduates of Mathematics......i mean a place u can really apply what u read in school?I'm tired of hearing things like ['a mathematician can work any where'......anywhere as what?

You come across as someone whose first course choice is not mathematics, hence your predicament. I advise that you change your attitude towards mathematics as a whole; then, you will see job opportunities where you didn't see them before.

To your success.

thelastPope: Please read well and hard. Even if the price is above the imported price, the money remains in the system. What makes importation bad is not price. It is capital flight. I am sorry, but that is why I said you know nothing of economics. Even common sense shows that. Local production will always create a lot of jobs and there is nothing like "at a cost to the economy" there. That is a ridiculous statement because the local production itself is a boost to the economy, not a loss.

Any form of economic inefficiency is a cost. And gross economic inefficiency is not only a colossal waste, it is also a limiting factor to economic growth. Capital has alternative uses; why waste it on inefficient production. If you are familiar with the problems of local manufacturers, you would understand why they are grossly inefficient and uncompetitive. When we resolve the perennial challenges of local manufacturers and make them efficient, we'll be on the path of growth that translates to future jobs creation. When local production is more efficient than its foreign counterpart, then we are in an excellent position to even export our products.

Don't confuse capital outflow with capital flight. Not every capital outflow is capital flight. Before you can talk about capital flight, you would need to relate the rate of capital inflow to capital outflow. Many countries import inputs, add value to it and export; so imports need not lead to capital flight.

Thank you for your comments anyway.

thelastPope: Am sorry, but you have no clue of economics at all at all! There is no advantage whatsoever in importation. You are simply funding another economy and growing their jobs. There is no disadvantage in doing it locally even if the price sells at the imported price because the money still circulates and gets reinvested locally. You must have read nursing or pharmacy. There is nothing like job creation at a cost to the economy. The economy only suffers when you import...

Thank you for your very kind response. You said, "there is no advantage whatsoever in importation." Really? Your proposition holds true only if locally produced alternatives sell at or below imported price. But is this the only scenario? What if the locally produced (as is usually the case in
Nigeria) sells way above imported price? would your position remain tenable?

You also said, "There is nothing like job creation at a cost to the economy." Well, I don't know the leaders of thought in economics that you are quoting. But here's the thing, any job creation that results in disproportionate increases in prices of final goods is always at a cost to the economy!

Ban on imports is not necessarily a great idea, because every economic policy has hidden costs that can render it counter-productive. They did the same with cement: the result...high prices. Ladies and Gentlemen, the price of sugar would soon hit the roof! Local manufacture of products at all costs is not the way forward. Importing raw materials is not a bad thing if local manufacture is unduly expensive.

Some talk about benefits like job creation. That is good. But at what costs to the economy. Here's the thing. Those companies affected by ban, as was the case with cement, could fold up; and that means less competition to keep prices low which means sugar prices could disproportionately go up. when you couple this with the job losses that will later come from lower demand for the finished goods that use sugar as input (because of astronomical costs of sugar), this policy could eventually increase unemployment. you see, an economic policy is a double edge sword, not a one-way street.

Another Nairaland tribal war appears to be looming! Can't we have a decent discussion void of ethnic sentiments? Na waao!

[quote author=Okija_juju]WHAT!!!! Did you read the threads title?!

WAYS RICH PEOPLE THINK DIFFERENTLY FROM THE POOR.

When I was poor, I never could quite understand why I had to hold my fork in my left hand (as I obviously wasnt left handed and my knife in my right) and the case wasnt reverse for lefty's.. I never understood the difference between a salad fork, a dinner fork, a fish fork, a soup spoon etc.. Why not just use the same darn spoon for all.? The rich call it table manners, the poor call it unneccessary gra gra.

Now I am in a restaurant and see this guy eating GARRI with Ogbono soup with his bare hands. that shiit was just ghetto!! Like nigga get a GARRI spoon or GARRI fork for christ sakes!! Thats how the rich differ from the poor eating habit wise. [/quote]I am very wealthy and still eat eba with my fingers... Orientals eat sushi with chopsticks. Your Logic is amazing! There are many with table manners that are not wealthy. Some even inherited tons of money and lost them all, with all their table manners.

anyway, what do you expect the guy to use: salad/fish/dinner fork? ...colonial mentality at its zenith.

Peter Obi and co are playing sound politics. Democracy is a game of numbers... Therefore, Igbo man cannot become president unless Igbos have allies. An Igbo presidency cannot be decreed. Igbo votes alone cannot make any Igbo man president. I wonder why some igbos on this thread still see this as rocket science!

Whao! 13 pages of unbridled hatred... over what exactly? You see, when you are emotionally tied to the past, your future won't be much different from the past. Every emotion you focus on feeds on itself; and when the emotion is negative you have a vicious cycle... when you blame your past for your current problems you prolong your misery. When you are easily inflamed by your past, you've learned nothing from it.

From this thread, it appears nothing was learned from the Civil War.