₦airaland Forum

jcmaiah:
Blame Buhari and co for making Nigeria ungovernable! What do you expect in an ungovernable state? Make una leave GEJ alone biko!

Was it Buhari that made your country ungovernable, or a clueless drunk like GEJ, who does not even know the difference between stealing and corruption?

jcmaiah:
There is no wrong living like a king when u r one. The guy is just poor and its affecting him badly. No be so he tell him men to respect traffic! you will call that one leadership by example too?

It is people like you that encourages government extravagancy, and at the same time cry 'government recurrent expenditure and spending are way too much.' government is bad,' blah blah.
You just read the reasons why he turn down the high comission's good gesture, and instead of you to at least, praise such sense of selflessness that is extremely rare in Nigerria's leadership terrain, all you could do was to lambast him as 'being poor.'

The man is not poor. And for your information, its not everybody that is extravagant as your clueless and pathetic waterside drunkard loser called GEJ, neither like his 'wasteful' company-in-crime idiot, Deziany, who wasted a whooping 10 billion Naira in shattering fleights to and fro..

Rubbish...

ROSSIKE:
Just pray it doesn't take us all down with it.

Thats a food for thought...
They will never give in without a fight... Even if it comes to the nuclear option.. God help us all

quid:
Millions more people have died since they ousted Saddam Hussein.
Judge for yourselves: who is the bad-a$$ dictator now? ? ?

You can ask that question over and over again.... The millions of souls that have died in Iraq, Libya and Syria, is ten times larger than they so called dictators in these countries, ever killed.

Ever since America imperialism got to the borders of these once peaceful nations, the devastation experienced by the Earth, even now, do reminds me of Micheal Jackson's Earth Song.
For ever since the US invasion of Iraq and Libya, under false pretext, the eyes of Mother Earth are blinded by the soaking of blood upon blood of the innocents , the helpless and defenseless people. Chaos and cheer terror.

The true epistle of America's freedom and democracy!

Angelou:
as long as these news about north korea are from daily mail, CNN or BBC i will never believe them at more than 40%. because the anglo zionist empire (US and her allies) has resorted to the propaganda of spreading disheartening lies about kim in a bid to gain control over north korea and sabotage their nuclear ambition.. those executed officers might have been planning to usurp the administration and that's why kim took them out..

My brother, even if the likes of BBC, Daily Mail, nad CNN, should show us a footage to that effect, i still would look the other way, cos, the Anglo Neo-con Empire of chaos tell lies that can make Satan himself look like a learner.

I don't trust the Western Media oulets a bit! Most are deeply controlled by the Empire.

ozoigbondu:
How do we know this happened

na the first reasonable comment be this.

Craigston:
Obviously, they're not acting alone. Russia has also been dishing out threats recently. China's alliance with Russia is a big threat (Russia alone is a strong force against the US and so is China). These countries are forming coalitions not out of cultural compatibility and genuine interest but to end the reign of their common enemy.

I think i must agree with you on that. I dont think the Iranians would actually want a war with the US if they dont have something beneath the carpet, Except they are just making empty threats.

But one thing is very certain, and it is that, China and Russia's interaction is gradually but noticably moving into an alliance, and a full-fledge one for that matter. And this in turn, is not good news for the US because, before now, it has long been an American strategic play in ensuring that Russia and China are kept from each other. That is, there must be no closely knited strategic alliance between the two, except for normal bilateral engagement.

Unfortunately today, that policy seemed to have been totally neglected, or foolishly overlooked or undermined by the Obama Administration, though started by the Clinton and Bush regime; the madness in the pace at which this currrent Administration is relentlessly trying to 'give orders' to a nation like Russia, and always trying to interfer within China's sphere of influence, coupled with the plot to encicle China, has forced these nations to come together to wade off what they rightly interpreted as threat to their very existence as nations...

And the facts that some redlines are being crosseds or likely to be crossed, is raising goose pimples as regard the more-becoming realism of a THERMONUCLEAR WARFARE!

9jatriot:
I tell u. I will rather have a Saddam Hussein or Gadaffi that be a refugee in another country striped of all human dignity and watch your love ones beg for food living only on handouts.

Exactly! Such is the nature of the 'democracy' the US is selling all over the globe today. The democracy that bombed leaders that refuse to be puppets, or would not play ball. Then impoverish the nations, kill and maim thousands of women, children and men; renders homes homeless, and eventually rape the land of their resources, by means of their Satanists own Multi-nationals coporations, the Hawks of Satan Himself..

The evil that this greedy and Satanic American Elites have commited in this world, is such that Hitler can only dream!

But one day will be one day. For there is always going to be a day of reckoning!

Africans are dying in the hundreds, trying to get to Europe. Whereas, some of this same Europeans are hustling to get over here.

The world is indeed full of chaos!

China go soon do their own.. They watch!

Except they have some secret weapons lurking behind closed doors, or without an overt involvement by the Russians, the Iranians stand no chance against the US.

AND THAT IS A FACT!

Barnabaseloka:
Neh.9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai. And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, good statues and commandments. Remember that Nehemiah was reporting what happened on Mount Sinai. For us to understand this, let us go to the original incident. Exodus 19:9, 18-20
9. And the Lord said to Moses Behold I come to you in the thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with you, and believe you forever....
18. Now Mount Sinai was completely in smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire, its smoke ascended like the smoke of a furnace, and the whole mountain quaked greatly.
19. And when the blast of the trumpet sounded long and became louder and louder, Moses spoke and God answered him by voice.
20. Then the Lord CAME DOWN upon Mount Sinai ON TOP of the mountain. And the Lord called Moses to the top of the mountain and Moses went up.

From the ORIGINAL incident, we can see that God came down ON TOP of Mount Sinai and spoke with the people of Israel (not from heaven but from the top of Mount Sinai). It was not recorded here that the Lord spoke to them from heaven.
Nehemiah was only praying and recalling what happened on Mount Sinai, using his own words to explain it (not exactly as it happened)

Before you make a conclusion with a passage, go to its original context (if there is any) to get clear description of what happened. Anyone quoting an original incident in the bible can use his own words to espress himself to God. So, compare scripture with scripture for better understanding and not just hand-picking one passage.

I say it again that Jesus, the Son, has the nature of His Father (everything that made the Father to be God). This is why Jesus is also God (but not the Father).
Colossians 1:19-20
19. For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
20. Through the Son, then, God decides to bring the whole universe back to Himself. God made peace through His Son's blood on the cross and so brought back to Himself all things, both on earth and in heaven.

Noted! But....
Like it or not, brother, Nehemiah was reporting what He knew to be truth, and no one can dispute that fact. For all scriptures are inspired by God and beneficial for teaching. Therefore that is scripture as it is.

And what about the MASTER Himself confirming His unlimited power to act omnipresently, as stated in John 3vs13? Is Stjohn also reporting what he didnt see or not sure of? Or it is Jesus, the Almighty, stating a fact?
..
On Jesus, you are always wrong. How can you be Almighty and i am Almighty? How can you be First and the Last, and i am also First and the Last? How can you be the Begining and the End, and i am also the Begining and the End?
Is there any sense of language in all these? You can't have two but one at a time, for Christ Sake!

Its like saying Mr Buhari is a president over Nigeria, and at the same time, his son, Adamu, also has his(Buhari) nature, and so, is also a president. Is that a fact or lack of what?

Brother, you know that is a fact. Jesus can't Lie..


Thanks, sir! I think i might stop posting on this thread for now, got alot of work coming..

Thanks to you, and all that has been here so far. Is been a wonderful time with you brethren here.
And pls, if i might have wrong anyone, do forgive me, and let the Blood speak for us all, amen.

Not withstanding our differences, pls ensure that you, with all your Heart, hold on to Christ Jesus, who is the AUTHOR AND FINISHER OF OUR FAITH..

And may the peace of the Lord be with you all, AMEN....

Shalom.....

johnw74:
It's impossible to show with scripture that the Son is the Father,
it is possible however to show that the Son is God who is One with the Father as shown in these scriptures that you reject.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was [size=14pt]with[/size] God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;


Mat_28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

Pro 30:6 Do not add to His Words, lest He reprove you and you be found a liar.

I will only answer you, only on this case, because, our salvation is very important, than our inability to cope with all the scriptural facts that have provided themselves so far.
And if at the end people like we can't get this to heart, it will mean God will have to give us more of his grace.

Now, let the scriptures again interprete themselves.

Mathew28vs19.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Now, like i said earlier, this is very central to the Godhead issue, and it is good that we should hear from the scriptures themselves, and let God alone guide us into all truth.

Now from what we just read, shortly after Christ was Risen, and before He was to ascend, He gave a grand command to the disciples, for the purpose of SALVATION, and that command is very vital to the spiritual life of every believer; in the sense that, it shows if you agree or disagree with the Gospel of Christ (His death and resurrection.)
And this command is BAPTISM! (mark.16vs16)

Thus, in giving this commandment, the Lord Jesus, who can not Lie, said, 'go and baptize them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

Is such directive not as simple as it is? Is it not as straight forward as it is? Of course so..

But behold the shocker!
The Disciples cum Apostles NEVER DID BAPTIZED ANYONE IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, AND OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST.

Jesus!

Why?

Are they not been disobedient? Why did they carry out another formula? Why why why?

Remember the promised Holy Spirit that was to guide them into all truth, which actually came in Acts 2?
Then how come that after recieving the Holy Ghost, they didnt keep to the command as stated in Math,28vs19? Or was something wrong somwhere?

Lets see through Math.28vs19:

Lets get it clear!

He didnt say; ' in the NAMES of father, son, and Holy Spirit, neither did he said, 'in the Name of the Father, name of the Son, and name of the Holy Ghost.

Now WATCH IT;

He said, in the Name (not Names) of the Father -(is father a name?) and of the Son-(is Son a name?) and of the Holy Ghost-(is Holy Ghost a name?)

what does it tells you? It means, in the Name of the Father-(The Father has a name), and of the Son (the Son has a name) and of the Holy Ghost (the Holy Ghost has a name).

Now, what is the Name of the Father? Is it Joseph? No. For He was not formed by his sperm. Did He gave a name to Himself? No. Then what was the name? John5vs43--I COME IN MY FATHER'S NAME- what is the name, and where did it come from?-Luke.1vs30-31- the name is from above the name is Jesus. Thus since He had no other name he is bearing, He then is bearing the name of the father-JESUS!

THE NAME OF THE SON-thus, is same as above-JESUS!

What is the name of the Holy Spirit? John.14vs26--the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My NAME--(He bever said by my name),Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS!

Did you get that now? No wonder the Apostles never baptized anyone in the WHOLE BIBLE by the dictates of Math.28vs19, for they correctly understood, by the Holy Ghost that came upon them on pentecost, that Father, Son; and Holy Ghost are titles of a NAME called- THE LORD JESUS CHRIST! Thus, they baptized everyone in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

They were not disobedient to Jesus regarding math.28vs19.
The Holy Spirit actually led them to the truth:

Acts 2vs1-38,41
Acts 10vs47-48
even them that baptized wrongly previously were rebaptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus.
Acts 19vs1-6.

And the rest went without any mention of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:

ActS 8vs36-39,
Acts 9vs17-18,
Acts 16vs13-15,
Acts 18vs8,
Acts 22vs16.

And we are baptized into Christ, (not father son and spirit)- Gal. 3vs27.

Because we have One Faith, One Lord,One Baptism-- Eph.4vs5.

In line with the directives in Colosians 3vs17.

The Holy Spirit the Disciples recieved in Acts 2 could'nt have led them astray. Saying that would be blasphemous. Rather, It thought them all things as promised.

Thus, the Name Lord Jesus, is the perfect Name for the Name Demanded in Mathew 28vs19.

One Great Entity all The Time.

Thank you all.

johnw74:
Much of what you call facts is just your delusion.

Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. Jehovah said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand until I place Your enemies as Your footstool.

Jehovah God, said to the Word Jesus Christ, sit at my right hand...

And much of what you called delusions are as a results of scriptures countering a satanic doctrine that has become part of you; coupled with your inability to to accept that you have been misled in worshiping what you dont know..

Barnabaseloka:
According to the passage, He (a personality) sat on the throne and the Lamb (another personality) collected the scroll from the One who sat on the throne.
Do you want me to believe, as you have explain here, that God Almighty sat on the throne and the same God Almighty (Jesus, the Lamb) took the scroll from Himself? Can't you see how contradictory this is?

The problem with some of us is that, when a fact STARES at us on the face, we find it so difficult to comprehend and believe. Why? Because we have so much lean to our own understanding than what the scriptures and known facts had to say about such a mystery.
You are asking me; why dont you explain how God can be upon mount Sinai, and at the same time speaking from heaven?
Or better still; why don't you explain how Jesus can be on earth , around His disciples, rebuking the Pharisees, and at the Same Time Still Be In Heaven? Are His words not contradictory enough?
It is like you are in Lagos on a business trip, but at the same time, you are lying down in your house over in Warri... It is very hard to digest, but that was what the scriptures conote, my dear brother. God chose to act in ways that we humans can never ever comprehend, if not by Faith..

Brother, i did'nt write those scriptures. God, through men, wrote them; and the interpretations thereof, expecially in John3vs13, was very clear. I didn't event my own interpretations. And that is the truth! What happened in John3vs13 was a pointer to what happened in Rev.5vs8. God doing two different things at the same time. That is why is a mystery!

By the way, how many Almighty can you have? You can't have 'Almighties,' and you know that to be true.

Another problem i see that some of us here have, is inconsistency.
Like our brother Johnw74, when faced with certain facts, he denied that he never argued on God's unlimited presence and capability to do different things at one time, but when same scriptures now speaks and extablished the Almighty's power of Omnipresence and outright ability to do two different things at the same time, he won't accept any of it.

But scriptures speaks for themselves. God act in Mysterious way.

Consider these;

how many ''first and the Last'' can there be? How many ''Alpha and Omega'' can there be? How many ''begining and the end'' can there be? Who is coming?
If, according to the trinitarian doctrine, the Father is a distinct person, the son is a distinct person; then who are we expecting to come? Because now, in Rev.1vs8, Jesus is the person we are expecting to come. Even the likes of paul had talked about that. But in Rev.4vs8, the Lord God Almighty is the One that is to come. So how many comers now? Isn't that contradictory also?

More 'contradictory' statement for thee, brother;

Who is the Lamb that died on the cross? Jesus! Who was pierced on the cross? Jesus! Right?

But it will interest you to know that Jehovah God by His own statements inferred that He was the 'Lamb'.

How?

Here---

Zechariah. 12vs10,

''And I (Jehovah God) will pour upon the house of David(the royalty lineage), and upon the Inhabitants of Jerusalem (the traditional Jews), the spirit of grace and of supplication (remember they were blinded); and they shall LOOK upon ME (Jehovah) whom they have Pierced: and they shall Mourn for Him as one mourneth for his only son.....

What!

Where was it written that the jews Pierced Jehovah God? And don't tell me He meant 'sin,' because if that was the case, he would have, like before, said 'rebellous people, who have rebelled against me', transgressed against me', sinned against me,' etc etc .

But here, He said, 'they Pierced Me'.
How was that possible? Only when he was manifested in the Flesh (1Tim.3vs16)

--I will pour--the spirit of GRACE and of Supplication--why would God do this to the traditional Jews? Simple. They were blinded in part to reject the Gospel of Christ so that we the Gentiles, can be grafted in by adoption, through faith in Jesus (Rom.11vs18-25.)

Thus, they were not able to decode that the Lamb they Pierced and killed on the cross, is their Jehovah of old. It was when He shall returned as 'the son of David,' after the dispensation of the Gentiles , and upon rebuiding of the Temple, as recorded in Daniel, then their eyes would be opened to the mystery, and they shall Mourn and wail for Him (refering to the time when he shall make know himself to them.. Remember Thomas)

So God Himself is that same Lamb, and the Lamb is Almighty God!8-).

Greatest Mystery ever!

He is the Alpha and Omega! He is the begining and the end! He is the first and the last! Mighty God! Everlasting Father! Prince of peace! Lord of lords. King of Kings! That sit in the Midst of the throne!
The Lamb! The Omniprent! The Omnipotent! The Almighty! The Almighty! The Almighty!

Jehovah overdoooooo!

One incomperable Being all the time!

Bless the Lord oh my soul...

9jatriot:
It is things like this that makes you wonder if Iraq was not better off with a so called dictator Saddam Hussein than this so called freedom they now have.

What you are seeing now, is the definition of the type of freedom the US understand. The same freedom will are seeing in Libya now..

Scholar8200:
Do me a favour, help explain the quote below in the light of your explanations;
Revelations 5:1-7
And I saw lying on the [a]open hand of Him Who was seated on the throne a scroll (book) written within and on the back, closed and sealed with seven seals;
2 And I saw a strong angel announcing in a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the scroll? And [who is entitled and deserves and is morally fit] to break its seals?
3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth [in the realm of the dead, Hades] was able to open the scroll or to take a [single] look at its contents....
5 Then one of the elders [[b]of the heavenly Sanhedrin] said to me, Stop weeping! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root (Source) of David, has won (has overcome and conquered)! He can open the scroll and break its seven seals...
7 He then went and took the scroll from the right hand of Him Who sat on the throne.
My focus is on verse 7. Thanks in anticipation

Thank you.. I love people who bring facts, and not repetition upon repetitions.

Now, in explaining this verse and what happened therein, we must first try to figure who is that sitting on the throne? What are the characteristics that it is the same being sitting on the throne?

Lets go!

In Ezekiel 1vs1-28, we saw the prophet describing his vision of God's throne and His appearance. Things like the four beasts, the fire and brightness, the bow over as it were in the day of rain (he was describing a rainbow), and in vs28, he confirmrd that He was seeing the appearance of the Lord himself.
In other words, Ezekiel saw a vision of God's throne. The appearance of Jehovah God.

Have that in mind.

Now, in Rev.4vs1-11, John was describing the same scenario, only that this time, he was seeing heaven and its settings, in clearer view. But the similarities with that of Ezekiel was visible: the four beasts, the brightness, the rainbow, etc.
Then He that sat on the throne was confirmed in vs8, to be the LORD GOD ALMITHY.

Now, we have established that He that sat on the throne is the Almighty God Himself, and none else. Good.

And we must let this FACT stick in:
it is that, we can have 'Might' and many of it, we can have 'Mighty' and many of it, But we can never and Never have ''Almighty'' and another of it, not to talk of many of it. For you can only have one Almighty at a time. And that is the truth!

Now, in Rev.5, there was the book which no man in heaven nor on earth could open. And this book was in the hand of the Almighty God that sat on the throne in Chapter4, but suddenly, a Lamb stood, went and took the book from Him that sat on the throne.

So, who is this Lamb? Lets see.

John.1vs29,

John seeing Jesus said,
..'Behold the LAMB of God, which taketh away the sins of the world..''

what does this mean? It meant that the Lamb that took the book from He that Sat on the throne is JESUS! Is that right? Of course so.

Now, over to Rev.1vs7 down

7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

8 I am Alpha and Omega, the
beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the AIMIGHTY.

WHAAAAAAT!

Who was pierced? Who is coming in clouds? None else but JESUS! Which is' (being spoken of all over the globe), 'which was' (made manifest in the flesh, and slain), 'and Is to' (come with vegeance and judgement upon the earth-the 2nd coming)

AND HE IS THE ALMIGHTY!

Oh glorious God!

Over to Rev.4vs8-

--Holy, Holy Holy, Lord God Almighty, which was ( Manifested in the flesh, seen of Angels, died), which is, (risen and is alife), and is to come (the 2nd coming)

hahahahahah! If God is distinct, Jesus is distinct, then who is coming?

Oh mighty God!

Gboom!

He that Sat on the throne is Jesus, the Lamb that took the book is Jesus! Hahahahahhaah.
YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO ALMIGHTY at the SAME TIME! Except English has lost it meaning!

Oh wonderful! He is OMNIPRESENT: and can Act two different things at One time, or can be at two different places at the SAME TIME.

You don't mean it?

Yeah! He has done it before:

Nehemiah 9:13

13 Thou camest down also upon MOUNT SINAI, and SPAKEST with them FROM HEAVEN,--

GOD came DOWN upon MOUNT SINAI, and AT THE SAME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN.

Can you beat that?

He dd'nt stop there:

John 3:13.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but HE THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, even the SON OF MAN which is in HEAVEN.

Did you get that?

Who came down from HEAVEN? JESUS! Who is the SON OF MAN? JESUS! Where was He when making that statement? EARTH!
But where did He say the SON OF MAN is at that moment? HEAVEN!

HAHAHA!.Omnipresent God!

That is your God acting two different things At the Same Time, and In Two Different Places at the same Time.

The Almighty!

One Absolute all the Time!

johnw74:
You agreed with An2elect2 there, that Jesus alone is God,
so the father is not God according to you and an2.




We have shown with scripture that God is three persons,
so you lie there.

We have shown with scripture that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit,
you lie again there.

You will never begin to know Jesus who is the Truth, while you are living in lies.

hahahahhahahahaha....

And we have shown with
scriptures that Jesus is the Father, so we lie not, other than you failed to understand.

And we have shown with scriptures that Jesus is that self-same Comforter, so we lie not, other than you are blind to it.

And as long as you are worshiping a God made up of three distinct persons that became one, then your salvation may not have been made perfect. Why?
Without the Holy Ghost in you, you can't make it to heaven. Because that is the seal that seals one unto the day of rapture.
And you know what? You can only get the Holy Spirit through baptism after believing and confessing Jesus. And that BAPTISM MUST BE IN THE CORRECT FORMULAR, THE CORRECT WAY. Otherwise, no Holy Spirit for you..

Thus, unto what were ye trinitarians baptized?

because before you can talk of someone not knowing Jesus, you should first check your own end.

For if you are baptized in the name of father, son and holy spirit, then you are not even in Christ at the first place...

So, are we ready, Mr Johnw?.. Cos this is also central to the Godhead, and so, you can take it as A SUB-TOPIC....

see yah!

No joke!:|

johnw74:
You don't believe the scriptures showing God is more than one Person.

just some:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Pro 8:22 Jehovah possessed me from the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:30 even I was a workman at His side; and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him;

Luk_3:22 And the Holy Spirit came down in a bodily shape, like a dove on Him. And a voice came from Heaven, which said, You are My Son, the Beloved; I am delighted in You.
There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit together at the same time.

And you didnt include the numerous posts and scriptures i cited previously, where GOD was acting two things at the same time, Or you didnt remember?:

you are truely good in repetition.
For we've treated this before.

Joh_14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,
Jesus said He will pray the Father to give the Holy Spirit,
that's three persons there.

The same repeated issue we've thrashed before. But for the sake of others, lets roll!

Vs 16,--

And I (the Flesh of God-a deity) will pray the Father (the deity who became a Father when he step into time to create), and He shall give you (the desciples and all them that would hereafter believe in Him) another Comforter (the Holy Ghost that is the Original nature of that deity, for God is a Spirit); that He may abide with you forever. ''

Now, watch vs17,

''Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world can not recieve, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but YE (the desciples) KNOW HIM--(How could the desciples have know{n} , not knew, a Spirit that is yet to come? And as if that is not enough,-)--; for he DWELLETH WITH YOU, (who else is dwelling with the desciples physically? For he said 'dwelleth with you', it mean, he is with them physically, and that is why they KNOW HIM)--,and SHALL BE IN YOU.''


Wow!

Dont you get it? He started by saying....and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER....meaning He (Jesus) is the (first) Comforter as long as He was still with them.. And this promised new Comforter is to INDWELL them,only after he must have left(exactly what happened in Acts). But He went on to say they know (not knew) Him, for he is already dwelling with them..

Oh, God! Get it clearly!

Jesus when speaking of the comforter said “he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” Here we find surprise since the comforter could not be sent until Jesus Christ was glorified. We just read in John 16 that the comforter’s coming was dependent on Jesus going away.
How is it that the comforter who was yet to be sent “dwelleth with them” in John 14?

This passage explains itself. Jesus didn’t leave off in verse 17. He continues in the next verse by saying:

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.

Ask yourself, did Christ returned a second time? Then how did he fulfilled that promise?
And who Came back again?

GBOOM!

Christ was dwelling with them PHYSICALLY AS THE COMFORTER and he was going to come back as the comforter again and dwell in them (SPIRIRUTALLY).

Christ is the comforter himself.

Scriptures speaks for themselves.


The greek word for comforter is “parakletos”. John uses this word 5 times in scripture. The 5th time it is used is 1 John 2:1. It is translated “Advocate”

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ is the “parakletos”

Jesus is the Comforter!8-)

Joh_16:7 But I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Comforter will not come to you. But if I depart, I will send Him to you.

Referring to the Holy Spirit, Jesus said "I will send Him to you",
Jesus didn't say, "I will come to you".

He that went away is He that came back again.. The explanations and verses that wrote themselves are there for all to see.. I didnt write them...
Except u wana say Jesus is a liar. And i doubt u will..

You are confused, I believe the Father-God and the Son-Word is Almighty God.



You are confused, I believe God's Spirit is everywhere.



You cannot help but lie, can you

Your confusion is speaking louder and louder. If d Son is God, the Father is God, and both respectively are 'almighy' Gods (since each is God united according to your doctrine) then how many 'Almighties' can there be?

..and that am a liar?.. Simply because scriptures are speaking and interpreting themselves for you, that i have become a liar; then it is a good thing to be called.

And mind you, if you are going to continue running in circles of repetitions upon repetions, expect to answer your own posts.

johnw74:
appleyard agrees with An2elect2 that Jesus alone is God,
according to that statment, the Father is not God,
they don't come any blinder than that.

Cause you still have not been able to prove your three persons in one God, neither have you been able to disproved or accept the fact that It has been the work of ONE ENTITY all the time.

johnw74:
Continued babel

......only that there are no more circles you can run around....

An2elect2:
Oh man oh man. Its either you are having serious comprehension defects or you are intentionally misinterpreting the bible to favour your pagan understanding of God.

It says GOD, one being, not a fragment of God, not Father-God or Son-God, but the one God, that Jehova! He was manifested in the flesh as Jesus, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels...etc Who is this person that came in the flesh? He is no other but God himself, the Father of all creation.

Isaiah described the Messiah as both a branch
out of Jesse (the father of David) and as the root of
Jesse (Isaiah 11:1, 10; see also Revelation 22:16).

According to the flesh He was a descendant
(branch) of Jesse and David, but according to His
Spirit He was their Creator and source of life (root).

Jesus used this concept to confound the Pharisees
when He quoted Psalm 110:1 and asked, in
essence, "How could David call the Messiah Lord
when the Messiah was to be the son (descendant)
of David?" (Matthew 22:41-46).

When you see Jesus as to His deity you have seen the Father!

There are no two Gods here, only one and that's clear biblically speaking!

You laughed when you saw what? good reasoning has deserted you, that you had to pick up straws. Something is fundamentally wrong with the faith you profess. Why don't you point out the contradiction you see in my posts and what my profile says.

Trinity my foot!

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Powerful! The Branch and the Root. Your interpretation is on point.. When Jesus confronted the Pharisees with that, they could not answer back, for GOD's ways are unsearchable! None can fathom His ways-- Isaiah 40 vs 28, Rom. 11 vs 33; except by REVELATION!
So, They 'must' go on fragmentizing God.

Now, brother, check this;

who did Abraham in the Old testament had encounter with? Who met with him? Who promised him a child-Isaac, and gave him that child? Who asked him to leave his people and go to another place? Who ask him to sacrifice Isaac, and son?
None else, but JEHOVAH GOD! Not the Son nor Holy Ghost, right?

But.....behold the shocker!

John 8 vs 56;

Your Father Abraham REJOICED to see my Day; and he saw it, and WAS glad.

Blood of God! Did you get that, or is something wrong with my copy of the Bible?

Why?

Where in the Old testament was it ever mentioned that Abraham saw Jesus Christ, heard instructions and recieved promises from Him, and so became GLAD? Or was told about His coming in the future? No place at all!
Then does it mean that our Lord Jesus is telling a Lie? God forbid!

Boooooooooom!

Another fact!

JESUS CHRIST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT IS JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!

Hahhahahahahahaha !

Oh, Glorious God!

.One being all the time! What a Mystery!

No wonder the bible asked (1 Cor. 1vs20) where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this world? In other words, where are the remnants from the wake of the Nicene council, and the die-hards of Roman Catholic creeds and dogmas? For God (vs 21) had destroyed the wisdom of this world.

But unto us, (those who know the truth) preach and accept Christ (the word that became Flesh) THE POWER OF GOD and THE WISDOM OF GOD (vs 24)

Brothers, shout JESUS!


TRINITARIANISM IS PAGANISM!

Israel Claims Egypt Set to Buy Russian S-300

Insists it has no issue with the purchase since it does not view Eypt as an enemy

RI Staff4 hours ago |410 16

S-300 is an advanced defence system and this would be a major deal. At the same time the US has been a long standing arms exporter to Egypt and has a close relationship with Egyptian military. Therefore the question posed by many is, why is Egypt buying Russian, rather than American?
Reuters reports.

A senior Israeli intelligence official who tracks the regional arms balance said on Wednesday that Egypt was buying Russia’s advanced S-300 air defense system, a deal reported in Russian media but not confirmed by Cairo.
Asked about the Israeli remarks, an Egyptian official reached by Reuters did not corroborate them but said that Israel should not feel threatened.
“If we are getting such a thing, it’s because we’re looking east, not north,” the official told Reuters, in an apparent reference to Iran, whose nuclear and missile programs worry many in the Arab world, as they do Israel.
An Egyptian military spokesman was not immediately available for comment on the Israeli remarks.
In a state of stable albeit cold peace since 1979, Israel and Egypt have in recent years stepped up security coordination against Islamist militants.
But while Israel has encouraged the United States to arm Cairo against Islamist insurgents in the Egyptian Sinai, it has been less pleased with prospects of its southern neighbor acquiring strategic weapons systems.
In a March 6 report, the Russian news agency TASS said Egypt would receive the Antey-2500 missile system, an S-300 variant, and put the value of the contract at more than a billion dollars.
Russian authorities have also not confirmed the S-300 deal.
Asked during a briefing with foreign journalists about the Russian media reports, the senior Israeli intelligence official, who could not be named under military secrecy regulations, said: “If you speak about the S-300, they (Egypt) are buying this system.
“I don’t know what kind of threat Egypt looks at when they decide to buy it, but we don’t see Egypt as the enemy,” the official said, adding that he hoped bilateral relations would continue to improve.

An2elect2:
Truer words have never been spoken!

Glory to Jesus! For Him alone is God!

You can say that again! The problem is, they kept running in circles, as they can not disprove the fact that its only One being all the time. They can't disproved the fact that Jesus is the Comforter, Just as they can't disprove the fact that Jesus is the Almighty God. Just as they can't disprove the fact that God is Omnipresent!

johnw74:
Yes, the three are God,
One God,
One Spirit,
Not three spirits as appleyard talked about.

Why are you so much confusing yourself? You said somewhere above that you are not refering to three Gods. Then, how come three persons are now becoming one God? For them to become one God, have'nt you made them a God each?

Then what are you complaining about?...
Who is God according to you, is He not a spirit? Who is Holy Ghost? And who is Jesus According to you?

Then why are you complaining about me quoting what you said?... Or you have suddenly forgotten your own posts? You still have them here, feel free to go back to them.


No offence meant.

Barnabaseloka:
I understand what you mean by God being the Father as you want to differentiate the two. When we call 'God', we are not only calling on the Father but also the Son. God is a general name under which the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit exist.

Thank you brother. Pls, tell him. They still hold 'God' to be a name.

cyprus000:
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30 for you my guy.

You are on point [/size]

thank you brother. Godbless you

You can see that the event is synonymous with the name of the place 'waco.' So, am not surprise the shooters also are mad. Wacooooos!

zodiakzax:
its interesting how your understanding of the Holy Trinity is, let's look at the same bible verse you quoted in John 14:26 amplified version "26.But the Comforter (Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, Strengthener, Standby), the Holy Spirit, Whom the Father will send in My name [in My place, to represent Me and act on My behalf], He will teach you all things. And He will cause you to recall (will remind you of, bring to your remembrance) everything I have told you." so the Spirit who was sent by God the Father is to represent Christ and act on His behalf. Have you forgotten He also said the Holy Spirit shall not speak on its own that what He hears from the Father is what the Holy Spirit must say. Now we pray to the Father (not the son) in the name of the Son. We don't pray to Jesus in the name of Jesus but rather the Father in the name of Jesus. The Lord in Mathew 12:31-32 said whosoever sins against the Son of man which is Christ shall be forgiven him but whosoever sins against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. That is why the name of the Spirit is Holy Spirit, it does not entertain foolishness or stupidity or sin, its the Spirit of the Most high God. You will better understand it this way, God created us in His image and likeness, even though there's a lot to explain on that topic alone I will stick to what I'm about to say, so God said in Genesis 1:26 amplified version "26. God said, Let Us [Father, Son, and Holy Spirit] make mankind in Our image, after Our likeness, and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the [tame] beasts, and over all of the earth, and over everything that creeps upon the earth. [Ps. 104:30; Heb. 1:2; 11:3.]" now can you see how amplified puts it? The us there is the Trinity, and God created us in His likeness by making us also three in one. We have a Spirit,Soul and Body. Now let's look at the trinity, the Body is the Father who sits in heaven, the soul or the word or the intellectual part of God is Christ and the Holy Spirit is His Spirit, same with us, our body is the physical state, our soul is our mind and intellectual part (and that is why we must renew our minds by the word of God) and our spirit is our spiritual state or the inner man. It takes the Holy Spirit to reveal this things to you. I think you should take your time and ask the Lord to help you understand.

Have you asked the Lord to help you? You that believe that three different persons made up one God, not only is there no bible for it, but it shows even lack of intelligence reasoning.

Why don't you go and do some home work about the term 'spirit.'

Can a spirit possess another spirit? The answer is an emphatic NO! One Spirit can not live inside another spirit. So how come you have God the father, a spirit, God the Son, a spirit, and God the holy Ghost, a spirit, merging to become one God? What a lack of intelligence reasoning. It takes the Celestial body to live inside the Terestial body, not celestial living in celestial and terestial living in terestial to become one.


And you, don't try to change anything pertaining to the Holy Ghost--

--but the comforter which is the Holy Ghost,which the Father will send IN MY NAME--

not by my name-- Thus, the Name of the Holy Ghost is JESUS! Is as simple as that.

And thanks alot for 'applifying' it-Councellor, intercessor, Advocate, Helper, Standby--,.. For it clearly showed that we are talking of the same person all the time.:

Joh 14:16-17

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: BUT YE KNOW HIM; FOR HE DWELLETH with you, and SHALL be in you.

What?

Jesus when speaking of the comforter said “he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.” Here we find a seeming contradiction since the comforter could not be sent until Jesus Christ was glorified.

We just read in John 16 that the comforter’s coming was dependent on Jesus going away.
How is it that the comforter who was yet to be sent “dwelleth with them” in John 14?
This passage explains itself. Jesus didn’t leave off in verse 17. He continues in the next verse by saying:

Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Christ was dwelling with them and he was going to come back as the comforter and dwell in them. BOOM! Jesus Christ is the CONFORTER himself.

The greek word for comforter is “parakletos”. John uses this word 5 times in scripture. The 5th time it is used is 1 John 2:1. It is translated “Advocate”

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ is the “parakletos”.

And Christ is that councellor.

Isaiag 9 vs 6.

One Entity all the time!


Greatest mystery ever!

bingbagbo:
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hallllllllellllluyyyyyyahhhhhhh!

bingbagbo:

2 CORINTHIANS 3:14 " But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ."

Simple, it means Christ is the mystery of God revealed. But the traditional Jews, and those still holding unto the creeds and dogmas of Roman catholicism, continued to be veiled by that same veil.

Barnabaseloka:
You misunderstand me. I do not mean that God does not think. Yes, God has thoughts. In John 1:1, the 'Word' or even 'word' can never be God's thought. 'Thoughts' are 'imaginations' but become 'word' when they are 'spoken'.
Wherever you see the word 'thought' being referred to God's thought in the Scriptures, it is written in small letters. This shows ordinary thinking which will be different if it is written as 'Thought' meaning something deeper than ordinary thinking.
When we see things like 'the words of God', it is totally different from 'the Word of God'.
The 'words' of God mean the things that come out from God's mouth. The 'Word' of God means something different from ordinary 'word' that God speaks.
Note: In John1:1, it was not written as 'in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God' but 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.' It was not a mistake to have written 'word' as 'Word.' There is more to the usage of 'Word' here than 'word'- (something spoken from the mouth).

Thank God, now that you have agreed on God spoken word.. We are moving on the right track.
Now, yes! I agree that the word is like a container like you said, and the word of God do come to people or someone like you said. I never disputed that at the first place.
But the area you still have refused to come to terms with is the ' Word and word' terms. What is the differential meaning between this two? The truth is, there is no DIFFERENCE IN MEAANING between Word and word. Infact, it is not even 'they,' it is ONE WORD, not two!
That is where you are having problem. You are still trying to put a differential meaning between them, when in reality, the term 'Word or word' means
a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.
Now, what does this tell you? Simple. The word back there in Genesis and the Word as use in John 1vs1, HAVE THE SAME MEANING, whether capitalized or not, and you know that to be true. For i know that your bone of contention is the 'w' capitalized, plus the fact that 'He and Him' were used to indicate personality; and on this note, you were right, but your undoing is that, you still have not understand nor accept the fact that it is that SPOKEN word (remember the meaning of Word) that has metamorphose into a PERSONALITY. How, and when?
Pls, Lets go back to the bible.

John1vs1--

1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Bear in mind we have already concluded that d term 'Word' or 'word' is of one meaning. Therefore, when John said 'in d begining 'was' the Word- (was is past tense, and ')- he is already aware of who Jesus is because, before he wrote his book/account in the Synoptic Gospels about Christ, Jesus had already left the scene. Otherwise, he couldnt have written anything or everything while Christ was still around, because it could have amounted to work-in-progress, and besides, the Holy Spirit had not come.

So. When he made Use of the capitalized term 'Word,' he was by knowledge personifying Jesus as that 'word' ( non personification) of God, that 'was' with God back then in the begining (creation in Genesis,) which has become FLESH (personification.)

Yes! There is more to the usage of the term 'Word,' because that was the only time God's word became FLESH-LIVING BEING, A Body, a Robe, a Human Vessel etc, He created for the sole purpose of redemption.
Thus, the capitalized 'W,' and the statements like, ''--as of the only begotten of the Father--,'' where to amplify and apply the full concept of the personality of God in Human nature (Jesus.)
Otherwise, you can't tell anyone that 'Word' is in meaning different from 'word.'
The earlier you realize this, the better.

And yes, there was no mistake in writing 'Word' for 'word,' because, it has left a stage of non-human to full human quality. Hence, the personification.

But the notorious fact remain; 'Word' is a 'word.' There is no other meaning ti it.

For in the Greek context,
Every reference to"the word"or"the word of God" or"the Word of the Lord"in the New Testament is either logos or rhema, both of which mean"words spoken by a living voice."

And Jesus is that spoken Word of God!

2. Heb 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God , so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Psalm 33vs6.

The heavens were made by the 'word' of the Lord , and all their host by the 'breath of his mouth.'

The above two verses prove that the word of God or the Word of the Lord is the Lord Jesus Christ, who created all things in heaven and earth, and whose name is " the Word of God.

Rev.19 vs 14
Finally confirm the capitalize W.


Remember the key is THE MEANING OF THE TERM word or Word.