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Niwdog:
In russia voice "i don't care whom you(usa) are.
Bring it on"

You can say that again... For those who think that the US cwould win a Nuclear war with Russia, must have under estimated or at all, not aware of the spiritual conotations or the cosmic orderliness of these events, and the outcome therefrom..

Please, lets take note of these prophetic utterances as they relate to the much anticipated 3rd world war:

http://americaslastdays..com/p/dumitru-duduman-vision-of-russian.html

http://americaslastdays..com/search/label/Rick%20Joyner%20Japan%20California%20Earthquake

http://wingsofprophecy..com/2011/05/destruction-is-coming-to-america.html

Also consider the Stromberger's prophecy, yohan Johassen's prophecy, known for their accuracies in predition of global events.
and many more... America is on its way to fulfilling this prophecies. A journey that would leave it permanently devastated.

iliyande:
Thanks brother. God bless you. Hollywood is part of US propaganda to make people think they are superior to any other nations.......... The last thing USA will likely do is to fight Russia even with coalition forces.

Exactly, brother. There is no other machine that can boast of the brainwashing ability of Hollywood, the medium by which the Russians are depicted as 'aggressors,' the Chinese as 'enslavers,' the Indians as 'bush people,' the Italians as 'Mafias,' the Africans as 'slaves and primitive people,' the Arabs as 'Terrorists,' the English as 'good colonialist,' and of course, the United State as 'the messaiahnic and perfect nation' that saves the day.

When in reality, the only terrorist nation and cancer in the world, is THE UNITED STATE OF SATAN (oh, sorry, America).

Thus, when some persons mindset , sense of conception and perceptional ability, revolves around this image (hollywood) of Satan, their thinking faculties becomes clouded with misleading beliefs and deceptive wonders, having given away their ''attentive souls'' stemming from being 'glued' to that cursed box called 'TV'. And hence, they have become and are still becoming the ''zombified ones,'' having lost virtually every sense of reasoning and judgemental uprightness, as it relate to the occurrence of global events and the real facts behind them.
No thanks to the glamourous and extravagant life style of the people.(as strategically determine by the powers)

''keep the people occupied with the cares of life, let them have the best, live they way they wanted, let desires spread, let them feel they can live for ever..'' and then, we can have their SOULS..''

such is the underlying agenda of Satan perfectly ochestrated by the Occultic Elites and their hegemonic quest to take over the world in line with THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

At such, you have the zombification still recording success at all levels. But thanks be to God, there is always a remnant reserved that can never be zombified.... You and I and others out there are examples of such..

And we all must strive for this truth that has been delivered unto us.. For THE TRUTH IS TREASON IN THE EMPIRE OF LIES..

Controlled:
no you are confused....... Russia cannot challenge any one of those countries.....individually or together....all have nuclear weapons n even if u remove dat, der conventional forces will annihilate Russia....Russia was defeated by Afghanistan........but Afghanistan did not last one month b4falling to the USA...

wow! A Taliban-led Afghan that virtually have no air defense against US/NATO air superiority? Is even outstanding that they held up to, like you said, that long, given the disparity in the level of armaments and man power on all fronts.

Yes! Afghan defeated Russia back then, because of 'the collective will' of the people. Will-power and a ''consensus ad idem'' is what primarily wins a war. This was what entailed in the Afghan/Russian war (where collective will prevailed) and the Afghan/US-NATO war (no people's backing for the government). Unlike the Vietnam war, where the US was resoundly beaten, right, left and centre. That is the power of collectivism as it relate to will-power, though subject to the determinate consent of the cosmic order and rules. That is, the concept of spiritualism.

And please, stop watching Hollywood. There is hardly any weapon the US/NATO have that Russia does'nt have. So wake up from that dream. The US can not ''anihilate'' Russia conventionally. Even themselves know it. For in the book of war, NO ONE HAS EVER MARCHED AGAINST MOSCOW AND CAME BACK THE SAME.

You may want to ask Hitler and Napoleon.

Therefore, brother, wake up, its a SICK DREAM!

Controlled:
America is not in crimea or Ukraine...no need 4 google...

Neither is Russia in Ukraine. And as for Crimea, it has always been Russia, and so overwhelmingly voted to return home.

You won't google, becaise you would'nt want to confront the stark reality that would confront you. Hence, ''no need for google.''

yuncka:
There are atom of truth in what U say, but on another angel d blacks are putting themselves in the present predicament. Many CCTV footage of crime, have majority of blacks as the culprits.

CCTV, yeah. But that does'not justify the blatant killings of blacks that cant even get justice from the ''criminal'' courts . But when the victim is a white, the outcome mostly is different in both cases of police handling and the courts willingness to entertain such issues.

The US justice system is a ''Class -Racial based'' system. The much touted equality before the law, is only a theory in abstract imagination and deceptive conception.

Some animals are, and would always, be More Equal Than Others.

What else do you expect from the BBC. They can't do without Putin.

Controlled:
d US is not perfect....but ten times safer than Russia.... especially for a nigga....there will be more bleck deaths in America just because there are more black pipul... ...in Nigeria...there is more black deaths too... because there are more black pipul....

Interesting! you truely sound like your name. So, you think the recial killings of blacks is as a result of more and more black people?

You are truely funny in some way..

Controlled:
receive sense..... .. dat video is Russian propaganda..

And your Americana stance is not as a result of American propaganda? Just do yourself a bit of a favour; check out which Nation is ranked as the greatest threat to world peace. Google and co are your friends. Goodluck.

[quote author=Controlled post=31755507]Hear your own words. The US has killed more people than Hitler's holocaust and all terrorists networks put together. It has invaded more countries than even Hitler did; from Nicaragua to panama, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya, Afghan, Syria etc.. all under false pretext and outright lies that could make Satan to look like a learner. We have have not talked about assinations and colour revolutions.
Now tell me, How many Nations had rusia invaded? And you fauiled to mentioned the numbers of blacks and latinos killed left and right down int the US. Nor did you mentioned Some notable journalists and truth speakers that have died mysteriously in the US. And i can also bet that you never heard of the CIA kidnap and torture program, eh?

i Dey laf oo.

NairaMinted:
What's going on with this thread? Why are our posts ending up banned?

Ny brother, that is the multi million dollar question i have been asking myself ever since. I posted replies more than 4times now, and they keep hiding them for only God-knows reasons. Infact, its so frustrating. And to crown it all, you cant even get to the Mod on this Section, nor the site owner himself. It is realy sad and pathetic that this type of thing is happening here on Nairaland, and one cant even get to be heard and atleast determine where he is at fault, let alone obtain justice. Very pathetic.

I have given up on posting here any further. Very sad.

So early? I thought, after Nigeria, South Africa will appear on the US/hegemon Radar at some point in the future. I, however, did not foresee that it would be so soon.

Johannesburg, tighten ur seat belts! The Yankees are coming..

The rise of China almost on all fronts is not by mistake, as well as the re-awakening of Russia, is no coincidence. Neither is the 'ally-driven-factoring' of the likes of Iran, Syria, North Korea, etc etc etc. We are gradually moving closer to the realization of the Biblical Gog and Magog, which many has interpreted to be the spiritual name for the allied body to be led by Russia and China - major players in the prophecied up coming World War 111.

With eyes wide open, WE ARE WATCHING WITH BATED BREATH!

iliyande:
What keeps Russia going is the support of the citizens for the government.

Exactly! The average Russian knew his/her enemy, and no amount of western propaganda and false flag operations, can change that. Rather, any such actions by the west is only increasing the resolves of many Russians to rally round their leader... So, you are very correct on that.

menix:
I dont get, u mean say if war start dey go com 9ja com pick soldiers abii ow dem wan use disturb us..

No dear. If war start now, i doubt if naija go play a part, because, no war go happen between Russia and d US when e no go involve Nuclear weapons. So, them no go need plenty soldiers too much. Wetin i mean by say, them don trhey worry naija, i they refer to the US. Abi u no c how them frustrate all our efforts to fight boko haram? Them even go as far as to stop us from buying weapons from the likes of Isreal. If no be Russia, will for dey hear whin by now.. America no like us at all...

iliyande:
The guy refused to be controlled by the west/USA

As simple as that, my brother. Once you refuse to 'play ball' or dance to the tune and succumb to the interest of the Hegemon, you therefore become 'a demon', and the western prestitude body will ensure that you dont have the light of day as it relates to positivism in the eyes of the media world. However, The thing that makes me laugh is that, the west/US still think they can dictate orders to a nation like Russia and expect them to be met fully. Very pathetic.

menix:
Putin, ameriaca's nite mare.

As long as dem no go disturb 9ja 4 d war, dem beta dey start cous e don tey wey those 2 countries dey flex muscle..

No be small nightmare.. And now when them don meet thier match, dem dey hala like children wen c masqurade.. America imperialism don reach im height.. And for your information, them they worry naija wella..

viczing:
One man giving the west. Headache

Ask them... As if it was Putin that started all these.. When you planned and carried out a coup next door ro Russia, and you planned to encicle it, what else do u expect from the Bear?

viczing:
One man giving the west. Headache

Ask them... As if it was Putin that started all these..

debraville:
YES

Pls, i was alerted that you e-mailed me. I checked my mail and found nothing. What is your email like?

bookface:
damn spam bots! why does it keep hiding your posts @appleyard?

Honestly, i dont know oo. last time. i remember that i was only trying to upload two pics, before i know it,i was banned. still do not understand it. seems like we have a ban-happy mod in the house. my thought, thought.

Mod. i dont understand why am being banned, and my post dont appear on the following topic. Gbam! China Just supported Russia over The Ukraine crisis.

Please, kindly help me to unhide my last reply, and inform me if i actually broke any rule. Is very important, plrase. Thanks

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Whatever your arguments about the current situation in Ukraine is - there are simple facts that are not contestable - Ukraine has lost much of its territory and a huge chunk of it now belong to Russia. Ukraine has therefore been dismembered. Justifying this with tales of "coup" is brazen at best. The US should not simply annex cuba because it feels that a coup has taken place there.

Yes! Ukraine has lost a huge chunk of its territory because, the people in that territory (Crimea) refused to be identified with Nazis that has taken over in Kiev. And You forgot to mentioned that over 90% of those people (Crimeans) voted overwhelmingly to reunify with Mother Russia. Tales of brazen coup you say? Even blind Bathemos knew that what happened in Kiev was a US sponsored coup. It wasn't just tales, It is a fact. US sponsored coup is a global phenomenon. Oh. are you saying that Russia should have sat with hands crossed and watch neo-Nazis controlling affairs around its borders, and do nothing about it? Cuba you said; how did the US react in the 70s when the then Soviet Union moved missiles into that country? you and i knew how that almost brought the world under nuclear confrontation. And now that the equation has changed, Russia should just sit closed up in a closet and forget about a vital and strategic neighbor like Ukraine, a place that harbors its Main naval fleet? There are times postulations like this make me wonder aloud if we humans actually have conscience and judgmental fairness. So, the US can fight for its strategic interest, even thousands of miles away from its borders, but Russia or other nations should not protect even their immediate environs, right?

Lets assume that Pearl harbour is in Cuba, how would the US react should Russia move to hijack the government over there? Or, better still, if Russia or the SCO is to make Mexico a member or a strategic ally, i guess the US will just sit and allow that to happen, huh?

I am going to go on a limb and conclude that you haven't studied much of economic history - I have - and you likely don't have much economic/global trade intuition - i do - so a debate between us on such topic will not be on equal terms since you are much likely to simply purge out what someone else thinks or have written - I on the other hand will provide you with economic arguments based on my knowledge, experience and work in such a field.

All your talks about government conducting trades in local currencies amount to nonsense - If trades between Turkey and Russia are conducted in local currencies, Turkey pays Russia in Ruble and Russia pays Turkey in Lira, since neither currencies have a reserve status, the Russian/Turkish central bank will immediately convert them into dollars/swiss francs/Euro/yen. No central bank in the world will hold another emerging markets local currencies as a reserve currency, it is simply suicidal to do so. For example, If for some crazy reason the BRICS could offer a better risk/return situation than dollars, then you could still do the transaction and swap or arbitrage the risk away. In dollar markets. But it is crazy to think that if all the Russian pipeline costs are going to be dollars, that they will want to finance in roubles, or even Yuan. That is a lot of risk that will have to be hedged away over a long period of time. Just to get your hedge, you will have to hit dollar markets

Secondly, your argument is even more nonsensical since you haven't factored global trade. Russia and Nigeria can trade in local currencies for all they want, but if Nigeria were to trade with the US, the US will demand dollar payments. Since Nigeria conducts more trade with the US than with Russia, it simply makes more sense for Nigeria to demand that Russia pays it in dollars rather than in Naira/Rouble. As long as the US continues to maintain a trade deficit with much of the world, it will remain in their interest to keep selling more to the US than what the buy from the US.

I never for once simply and out rightly dismissed your thesis. Rather, i have provided my own line of argument, backed with references and citations. I have even gone as far as acknowledging some of your postulations and admitting them as facts. It is you that have refused to take the opposite into consideration.

Yeah, you may boast of your versatility in the economic arena and the concept of international trade. Besides, am only a lawyer in the making, and so. like you rightly said, a debate between us regarding such topic can never been of equal footing. I am no island of knowledge. Thanks.

your arguments about prosperity in the US being an illusion is nonsensical - it is backed by no evidence and just more of innuendos. You haven't actually said what will happen if the government adopts a balanced budget. How does this affect US households/companies? This is further evidence that you don't know what you are talking about. For a matter of fact, the US has actually moved towards a balanced budget in the last couple of years, see the chart below.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-government-budget.png?s=fddsgdp&d1=19700101&d2=20151231

Who is dismissing one's argument now? you didn't consider, if at all you read, the information containing the 34 reasons why the US economy is not as it is widely perceived to be, yet you are saying i don't have any backing. well, it is apparent that in your view, analytical discourse must be one sided, thus, no amount of proof i may bring forth would consistute anything as facts relating to such discourse. Not to mention that ""we are not on equal footing"" on such matters. But if there is anything i have learned in my entire life as it relate to disputed topics and debates, it is the doctrine of "audi altarem patem", which simply means, "hear the other side".

Anyway, since this is not the issue here, i think it will be better sticking to our own narratives and perceptions, and allow events take their course inline with the divine laws of nature and human imperfect conduct. Stay well.

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A strong show of support or not - it wouldn't move a shoe! simple as that! China's official position has long been against territories breaking off - hence, taiwan, tibet etc. A strong support for dismembering Ukraine will undermine China's stance on breakaway regions on its own turf, hence its neutral stance. But the Chinese understand that the conflict cannot go on for ever, there's benefit to keeping Moscow on the side. When the conflict is all over, China will be the beneficiary - it will have Moscow in the pouch and it will keep its business interest with the West, win win. There's no point jeopardizing one for the other.

Lol. it wouldn't move a shoe? Not when it start developing into a "shooting" conflict, though. Dismembering the Ukraine you say? it wasn't Russia that planned the coup, overthrow a legitimate Government, an act the traditional Eastern people refuse to accept, thereby fomenting the unrest that is currently taking place. China knows this, and it can not afford to keep mum all through the face of such naked act of aggression, when it is crystal clear that it would certainly be the next. Hence, the likelihood that it would give whatever support it can muster unto Russia in the financial fronts. Russia can take care of itself militarily. And at the end like you said, it would be a win-win-win for China, in the sense that it did not lose a vital and strategic ally in Russia, nor its business interest with the west, and as well as checkmating or deterring the Empire's quest to subdue, curtail or interfere in its domestic affairs and regional sphere of influence. China does not give a damn about the Ukraine in relation to whatever actions and inaction Russia might take or has taken, cause it understand the precarious situation under which Russia is operating.

I have read on the news about the hundreds of deals that are being signed left, right and center - but you are missing the point. Infrastructure/Government spending is NOT what Russia needs! Russia already has very good infrastructure. What Russia needs is a renewed business confidence - and this is exactly what is behind hindered by sanctions. US and European imperialism, could really kill off Moscow's ability to become an economy down the line. What is being introduced by sanctions are long term shocks to the economy that will take years to fizzle out. In the last century, no country has prospered economically by being antagonistic against the West.

Yes. Sanctions no doubt, are hurting Moscow, because it own financial system is tied to the west-SWIFT paying system and rating agencies. But honestly i don't see them continuing beyond this year. The US could keep up with the charade, but the EU doesn't have the energy and will-power to continue on this level of US led imperialism, nor can it stomach the aftershocks in the event of a Russian economic total collapse. The EU had already suffer three recessions in the space of five years; the burden of Greece is a major source of worry, and adding another one to this, would definitely kill the block. This is very realistic hence, the cry against deeper sanctions by the likes of Germany. Italy, France and such others, who are beginning to see the hand writing on the wall. In fact, some EU nations are beginning to question the rationale and sustainability of the sanction war. Though they we pretend to be going along for the now, the breaking point is always at the corner. Sanctions always have boomerang effects.

Again, you are right that what Russia needs mostly now, is a renewed business confidence. and i believe they are already walking towards this, and is even yielding fruits in some quarters. Putin has urged Russian billionaires oversea to come back home and invest in huge capital based projects, with the promise that they would be given preferential treatment, and one of such has already complied and he is transferring his wealth back home,while some, though still skeptical, are seriously considering the options. I think this will go a long way to renew such business confidence, however little, plus the fact that Russia just ratified the BRICS $100 billion dollar investment package/funding, and the SCO is also rapidly trying to put its own financial system in place. All these would take some time to curtail whatever effects the sanctions must have brought or will cause. That is, on the short term, Russia must suffer, but on the long run, it would bounce back, and better off.

How exactly will China move away from the US dollar? - I marvel at the number of people who spit out this garbage without an iota of common sense! China is tied to the dollar, simple! It is tied by trade! The US is the biggest buyer of Chinese products, and it pays in dollars, if China demands to be paid in some other currency, the US will simply stop buying from China and turn to some other marginal low cost producers out there - Phillipines, South Korea, Singapore, Thailand, etc.

I have noticed that you are always paranoid with this. Then please explain all these "garbage", then conclude and come out with the "common sense" you think is lacking.good luck!;

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has stated that Iraq has added 36 tons of gold bullion to its reserves. This has a value of 1.5 billion dollars. The Central Bank of Iraq (CBI) is purchasing large amounts of gold to back the Iraqi dinar currency. The CBI is doing what other countries around the world have done in the past. It is apparent that countries are moving away from the U.S. dollar. There are numerous news articles from credible news sources stating that countries around the world are moving away from the U.S. dollar.



In November 2010, the China Daily news organization reported that Russia and China have signed an agreement to conduct all trade in their local currencies. Appears that they are kicking the U.S. dollar to the curb.

The U.S. Federal Reserve has decreased the buying of debt from the U.S. government and China has also decreased their purchasing at the U.S Treasury office.

Russia and China are not the only two countries that have moved away from the U.S. dollar. Germany, a long time ally of the United States, has also made agreements with the Chinese government to conduct trade in yuan and euros.

In Feb 2011, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) called for a U.S. dollar alternative. The United Nations has also called for a new global currency to replace the U.S. dollar. This is all pointing to a global currency reset that the IMF leader spoke of in the past. Clearly, they want to remove the U.S. dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Also, the petro dollar will be no longer be the world’s reserve currency.

China and Brazil have signed agreements to only conduct trade in their local currencies. Moving away from the U.S. dollars.

China and Australia have signed agreements with each other. The article also mentions South Korea, Turkey and Kazakhstan. They all have agreed to conduct trade in a currency swap in their own respective currencies.

China and Japan have signed agreements to conduct trade in yuan and yen. There will be no U.S. dollars in their trade between the two countries.

Iran and Russia have replaced the U.S. dollar between the two countries. This article states also that Iran replaced the U.S. dollar in its oil trade with India, China and Japan.

China and Chile have also signed agreements to conduct trade in their local currencies.

China and United Arab Emirates (UAE) have currency swaps in their local currency. They will be conducting trade in yuan and dirhams.

The BRICS nations consist of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. They have all signed agreements with each other to conduct trade in their own local currency. This once again leaves the U.S. dollar out of all international transactions.

Iraq is following suit. Don’t get me wrong, they are currently still using the U.S. dollar but changes are in the works. Iraq still accepts payment for their oil and gas in U.S. dollars. However, in the future that may not be the case as they continue to back their currency with gold. It looks like they are strengthening the Iraqi dinar reserves with gold in order to move away from the U.S. dollar in the future. They recently signed agreements with India to conduct trade in both countries using local currencies. You will see Iraq conduct these type of arrangements in the future.

http://americancontractor.com/countries-moving-away-from-dealings-with-the-us-dollar

Do you still think they are Garbage and lack of common sense? I am yet to mention Nigeria been encouraged by China to dumb the Dollar. not to mention Angola, Egypt, venezuela. Now, all the SCO states towing the same line-though some how "tied" to the dollar. Garbage, you think?

Well, China is tied yet, is expanding its plans to move away from it.

http://newparadigm.schillerinstitute.com/blog/2014/09/24/china-expands-its-plans-to-move-away-from-dollar-currency/

what a paradox!

Chinese made a decision to buy US government debts because they simply have no choice! - The economics works out this way - every dollar that is issued is a debt backed by the taxing power of the US government. Every time someone buys an item from China, they exchange this debt for goods or services. China does not have a primary exchange for easy convertibility of Yuan to dollars, so Chinese products manufacturers/service providers exchange this debt with the central bank of China for yuan/reminbi at a fixed exchange rate. This process goes on and on - and at the end of the day, the Central bank of China has lots of dollars in its account - US dollars can only be spent in one place - in the US. So the Central Bank of China must choose between buying gold (/other commodities) or buying US treasuries - Gold does not pay interest, is more risky and its value is not guranteed by anything except for its face value - US treasuries pay interest, and its backed by the taxing power of Uncle Sam, so the choice is crystal clear, the Chinese central bank buys more treasury. This process simply goes on and on...

I have already addressed the issue of China buying US treasury on previous post on this thread, so i wont go into that again. But for you to say that China have no choice but to buy such treasuries, is not totally true. China gradually moving away from the Dollar is a choice. The dumping of or reduction in treasuries holding, is another. Infact, China had reduced and is still reducing its level of US treasuries, chosen to focus on Gold.. Anyone can dig around to verify that.


You said The US government has 17 trillion dollars in debt, but US households are so on, are still functioning well. Pls wait until the Government adopts a balance budget and see what happens. All of this prosperity that we see all around in the US is just an illusion. It is a false prosperity that has been purchased by the biggest mountain of debt in the history of the world. I don't even need to go into all of these Gold of a thing since the likes of China, Russia, India, Iraq, and many more Nations, are piling up their Gold reserve gradually. Even recently, Brussel has requested to London to return its Gold holdings. All these and the issue of your theory on unfounded liability, i just don't have the time for full foreclosure. But when one must have finished reading the link below, then one can be convinced as to why it is popularly held that the US economy is the greatest sham of all ages.

A whole 34 reasons are carefully laid out here for all to see. i just cant type them.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/34-shocking-facts-about-u-s-debt-that-should-set-america-on-fire-with-anger

..... Hence, all the talks on the disparity in the productivity growth and disposable income here and there, is but of little or no significance. The major theme of consideration here is ''NATIONAL SECURITY''.
It is on this note that China cant afford to slip in its support, nor continue to pretend as if it doesnt take cognizance of what is happening. Because, it knew that ones the Empire is through with Moscow, the next port of call would be it-China.

The US is currently trying hard to encicle China, sponsoring dissent within it, and aiding its opponents militarily against it. With its ever more reckless and violent policies, US imperialism is vastly overplaying its hand, discrediting itself at home and fueling opposition from rival states. By driving Russia and China together, in particular, Washington is undoing what was long seen as a major achievement of US imperialist statecraft: the 1972 rapprochement between US President Richard Nixon and Chinese leader Mao Zedong, which turned China into a US ally against the former Soviet Union.



Besides, Many Chinese people still view Russia as the big brother, and the two countries are strategically important to each other, expecially when referring to Soviet backing for China as it fought the United States in the Korean War, shortly after the Stalinist Chinese Communist Party (CCP) came to power in 1949.


It is For the sake of national security that China had been, and will always be in bed with Russia, knowing that it alone cannot take on or wade of the Empire, nor can it afford to lose a a strategic ally like Russia.

@bookface.
Yes, it is a ''mild'' but unmistakenly strong show of support. Did you in any of the statements see where the Chinese at any time condemn whatever actions Russia has taken so far since the Ukrainian crisis began? Rather the Chinese have publicly made it ''clear'' to the West that it must have to understand Russia's position in this matter, and should things get tougher, one should no longer doubt where China's position lies. It is as simple as that.

Now, you mentioned that China's support for Russia can not change the direction of things as they happen or would happen. This is a very grave error on the part of our thinking.
Make no mistake about it, China is the 800 pound gorilla in the room that cannot be ignored. Whomever, the Chinese throw their support behind in the event of war between the US and what is left of NATO, will be the likely winner.
But that is for another day.

Now, on the economic front like you rightly pointed out, it is true that the Chinese economic growth is tied to the West, hence, the talks of;

(1) SANCTIONING THE WEST?

Why would they want to sanction the west? There is no rationale for that, and that is, even if that can actually happen. But you must also understand that no nation is self-sufficient on the economic front, all economies are in one way or the other interwoven.
However, the key issue underlining whatever Chinese involvement will entail, is on SECURITY. That is what all this is about. And no resonable nation would place its security below economic issues, and the Chinese have made this clear on certain fronts. Because without security, you cannot guarantee economic success and dependency.

(2) MORE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE TO MOSCOW?

Yes. The Chinese needed Moscow to be stable financially. A meltdown in Russia's financing ability would mean low or zero Russian productivity level in machineries/hardwares, and sophisticated technologies, areas in which the Chinese primarily relies on Russia. Thus, China and Russia signed a three-year currency-swap line of 150 billion yuan ($24 billion) in October, an agreement that can be expanded with the consent of both parties.
Chinese and Russian premiers Li Keqiang and Dmitry Medvedev met in Kazakhstan, signed extensive deals on railways, infrastructure and development in Russia’s Far East region, north of China. Loans, cooperation in major projects, and participation in domestic infrastructure investment in Russia are options on the table, notwithstanding China's own debt.(besides, everybody owes debt).
These offers of assistance cut across the economic war on Russia launched by US and European imperialism to punish Moscow for opposing their neo-colonial restructuring of Eurasia.


(3) DEEPEN BILATERAL AGREEMENT WITH MOSCOW AGAINST WASHINGTON?

Yes, China's economic prosperity is tied to the US, but that has not changed the fact on Benjing's mind that the greatest enemy to its immediate sovereignty and national security, is The US (i wll come back to this later).
Then why is China seeking to move away from the US economic sphere (the Dollar), since thier economics are relatively tied to one another? It is very simple. It was a failure on the part of Chinese financial planners as it relate to its finamcial and strategic interest. Why, how?

Following the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement, that established the dollar (i.e. the Petrodollar) as the world’s reserve currency, the dollar immediately became the second best invest long-term investment on the planet, next to the actual owning of gold. Subsequently, when the Chinese made the decision to purchase US debt, it had to appear to the Chinese that they were purchasing a sure thing which would return untold amounts of wealth.
What the previous generation of Chinese leaders did not foresee was that the US would purchase themselves into such a quagmire of debt, and would someday cause the US to be on the verge of committing economic suicide. The Chinese have come to realize that they have purchased a declining asset.
Twenty five years ago, if the Chinese financial planners could not have foreseen that the US would be 17 trillion dollars in debt, have an unfunded mandate liability (e.g. social security, Medicare, etc.) of 240 trillion dollars and would have assumed the liability of over one quadrillion dollars of credit swap derivatives debt that resulted in the “need” for the bailouts. If they had, the Chinese would have run from the dollar a long time ago and then would have moved in to clean up after the coming crash of the dollar occurred. In short, the Chinese failed to anticipate that the US would commit financial suicide in slightly more than a generation.

The Dollar, aside arms, is the basic commodity the US is exporting. Without it, the US can do little or nothing against other nations.

Now, on the part of Russia-China relationship, China knew that Russia is an irreplacable neighbour/ally, and both have a common enemy-the US.


To be continued.....

It is high time he does it. People all over the world are tired of US meddling in places where they have no business to be.
Nigeria is having it own share of the US wahala. The US is indeed a Satanic State.

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And who are these bloggers and environmentalists? I can bet you they are from the West...
And did you say his popularity continues to fall? Well, last time i check, over 80% of his people love him, and still is increasing. What is your Obama last rating? And dont tell me 'because he is black. Even the blacks in the US are now regreting ever voting him. And why wont they? He cant even guarantee or ensure justice for racial motivated police killings like Micheal Brown, Gardner, etc, but he is 'very very'' good in foreign policies, supervising the overthrow of nations/leaders, killing and maiming thousands, and creating terrorist like ISIS to complete the circle.


Truely pathetic!