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johnw74:
Wow you really know it all.
You are so wonderful........in your own eyes

Ah, brother! No mockery meant, if you felt that i mocked you.

But the truth is there for all to see,
so far, the scriptures have spoken for itself. God is omnipresent, and can act two different things at the same time.

God's ways are unsearchable.

So America has successfully eshrined gay marriage as A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, and is trying to force it on others?

Their destruction is surely drawing near.

panafrican:
A postulate based on religion is not part of what science would describe as a frame of reference.

Yet, God is the greatest scientist that has ever live, and will forever remain so..

He is the only scientist that foretells, thousands of year back, the foolishness of this present ones:

---the fool says in his heart, there is no God....

Psalm 14vs1

cyprus000:
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On point bro.

Some things will never be discovered.
Same has the instance by which a person will say some things to a cripple,blind,dead,sick etc and they will be made whole instantly.
if dey lyk,they can call us fanatics.

But the end shall justify the biginning.

I am not denying the fact,that humans will discover incredible things.
But it will be foolishness to think they did it on their own and there is no God.

Lyk the scientist are trying to make us understand.
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Exactly brother! Science is good in so many ways, but at the same time, it has done more harm than the good it brought.

It has cause man to develop the idea that THERE IS NO CREATOR. Yet, this same man believe in Witchraft, Aliens, etc.

Pathetic!

Barnabaseloka:
I hope you studied english well (no insults meant). The word 'Word' started with an initial capital letter, which is different from 'word.' If it were God's thought, it would not have been written with an initial capital letter. The 'Word' is a proper noun and distinct. When initial capital letters are used in the bible, they represent 'distinct' things and not 'common' things. Do you want to make me believe that God's thought was transformed into flesh and became a human being? Then here are few questions:
1. Does it mean that God was in heaven and His thought (Jesus) was on earth? How did you come to this contradictory and hilarious conclusion? Have you ever read from the OT to the NT that God's 'thought' transformed to become a thing or a human being? What I have read is that God 'spoke' (not thought) and things came into existence.
For human beings, He did not speak but 'They' created them. Gen. 1:26 'Then God said, let Us (note the initial capital letter different from 'us') make man in Our (note) image, according to Our (note) likeness....' Who are the Us and Our being referred to- God and His thought who was with Him?
2. When Jesus (thought) ascended into heaven why did he (thought) choose to sit at the right-hand side of the owner (God)? Does this not make Jesus to be visible as a person, making them two people in existence- God and his thought (Jesus) sitting beside him?
According to what you have written, will someone not say that Jesus is with God (sitting beside God'? When you use 'with' it can mean 'having' or 'carrying' something. It can also mean 'being in the company' of people.

So, you believe God dont think or what? That He would just stand up and start doing things randomly?

I know you dont't believe that,
god actually thinks, and when He acts out His thoughts, it is always by words or in writing.

Chek them out:

Isaiah 55:8

"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways," declares the LORD.

Isaiah 55:9

"For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Psalms 92:5

How great are Your works, O LORD! Your thoughts are very deep.

Amos 4:13

For behold, He who forms mountains and creates the wind And declares to man what are His thoughts, He who makes dawn into darkness And treads on the high places of the earth, The LORD God of hosts is His name.

Micah 4:12

"But they do not know the thoughts of the LORD, And they do not understand His purpose; For He has gathered them like sheaves to the threshing floor.

Romans 11:34

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?

1 Corinthians 2:16

For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

Psalms 40:5

Many, O LORD my God, are the wonders which You have done, And Your thoughts toward us; There is none to compare with You If I would declare and speak of them, They would be too numerous to count.

Psalms 139:17

How precious also are Your thoughts to me, O God! How vast is the sum of them!

Psalms 144:3

O LORD, what is man, that You take knowledge of him? Or the son of man, that You think of him?

And the rest of your points i have already talked about in other posts here.. Cant do that now, or even post now.
Work things are calling.

Do bear with a brother..

Bye for now.. Gonna be long this time , though...

Shalom....
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Barnabaseloka:
I hope you studied english well (no insults meant). The word 'Word' started with an initial capital letter, which is different from 'word.' If it were God's thought, it would not have been written with an initial capital letter. The 'Word' is a proper noun and distinct. When initial capital letters are used in the bible, they represent 'distinct' things and not 'common' things. Do you want to make me believe that God's thought was transformed into flesh and became a human being? Then here are few questions:
1. Does it mean that God was in heaven and His thought (Jesus) was on earth? How did you come to this contradictory and hilarious conclusion? Have you ever read from the OT to the NT that God's 'thought' transformed to become a thing or a human being? What I have read is that God 'spoke' (not thought) and things came into existence.
For human beings, He did not speak but 'They' created them. Gen. 1:26 'Then God said, let Us (note the initial capital letter different from 'us') make man in Our (note) image, according to Our (note) likeness....' Who are the Us and Our being referred to- God and His thought who was with Him?
2. When Jesus (thought) ascended into heaven why did he (thought) choose to sit at the right-hand side of the owner (God)? Does this not make Jesus to be visible as a person, making them two people in existence- God and his thought (Jesus) sitting beside him?
According to what you have written, will someone not say that Jesus is with God (sitting beside God'? When you use 'with' it can mean 'having' or 'carrying' something. It can also mean 'being in the company' of people.

Just because a thing is capitaliize at one place, then at another, is not, does it makes it loose it meaning? If so, then English have lost its content.

Check this; the term 'God' and 'god', what is the difference between them? The difference is that the one with the capital letter is held to be SUPERIOR than the one with the small letter. Otherwise, THEY BOTH HAVE THE SAME MEANING- an object of worship. A deity.

That is the case with Word capitalized or word not capitalized. The same meaning. The dinstiction is the Importance attached to its Usage, and under what circumstances. Otherwise, a Word is a word! Except you want to write your own dictionary.
So let that stick inside you. No offence meant, pls.

But lets help ourselves:

The definition of a word is a letter or group of letters that has meaning when spoken or written.

That is, not until you speak or write them, they remain bottled up inside you- as what?

Check out the meaning of Thought:

an idea, plan, opinion, picture, etc., that is formed in your mind : something that you think of
: the act or process of thinking
: the act of carefully thinking about the details of something

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/thought

Now, when you are thinking of something and you what that thing to be made known, how do you go about It? Either you Speak it or write it out, simple.

We have, above, looked at the meaning of "word" in a dictionary, we find that it is defined as a "unit of spoken or written language," and "language" is "any method of expressing thoughts." A word is, therefore, a means of expressing thought.

That settles it!

Now, you implied that the Word
as use in John1vs1, is not the spoken word or what you said it is not. Then how come the Word was made FLESH and dwelt among men? Why was Jesus called the Word of God? And since we have established that 'Word' capitalized or not, is of the same meaning, then where was the Word in the begining? Genesis. And who was the Word with? God. And what was the Word? God. Because, your word as have been defined above, is not different from who you are. Simple!

That word in John1vs1 was CAPITALIZED to show THE IMPORTANCE AND CIRCUMSTANCE OF IT USAGE. But its the same in meaning. It was that same Word God SPOKE (that is, VOICED OUT OF HIS MIND) that created all things in the begining, which was rightly asserted in John1vs1-3, that all things were made by the Word voiced out by God. That Word only Become God (since His word is not different from Him-God) because this was the only time HIS WORD BECAME FLESH.

Emmanuel-God with us!

Not Three God's with us!

**Let us make man in our own image.....

The problem we have is that, we always want to interprete God's word for Him..even when the Bible said, no scripture is of any private interpretation. Why dont we allow God to interprete His Word by Himself?

God is a creator and a king called 'the Lord of Host', meaning He has dominion over subjects. And this subjects, be they less or more, are Spirits like Himself, because He is a Spirit. And when a King wants to do certain things, He addresses His subject.

That was what He did back then!

And d interpretation followed;

**and God mad man in His (not their) Image.

[quote]One God not one person,
the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, does not equal one person but three.

The below verse shows the three persons of God together at the same time.

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. [/qoute]

Hahahahhaahah!! Oh, dear brothers of Little Faith and spiritual understanding! Actually, i have been waiting for this, for it seems that those of you that are Unitarians and Trinitarians can't do without it.

So you don't know that the God whom you claim to serve is UNLIMITED? That He is OMNIPRESENT? That He can be at a place DOING TWO OR MORE DIFFERENT THINGS AT THE SAME TIME? And that He has demonstrated this ATTRIBUTE BEFORE AND AGAIN?

Oh my! Here we go! Let the scriptures teach you the greatest MYSTERY EVER!:p. At the end, conclude for yourself, but the TRUTH CAN NEVER BE CHANGE!

In Nehemiah 9 vs 13;

''13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments:''

Wow! Do you get that? 'Thou' (God)* camest upon Mount Sinai, 'and' (the word 'and' is a connecting clause, connecting the formal-Mount Sinai, and the Latter-Heaven)* - spakest with them from HEAVEN!

Boom!

GOD CAME DOWN UPON MOUNT SINAI, AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE WAS SPEAKING FROM HEAVEN!

Oh, Lord of Glory! What was that?

That was God ACTING TWO THINGS AT THE SAME TIME! Can you beat that? hahhahaa..

That is your God. Who never can be measured in attributes and character. For who can search His understanding? For He is unlimited in POWER and DEEDS!

Now, that is just one of such act of the Self-same God. He did it again, and this time, IT WAS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT!

Pls, dont hold your breath yet!

John. 3vs13;

''And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven,even the Son of man which is in heaven.''

Do you get that? It is Jesus speaking here, and HE CAN NOT LIE! He said that:

'no man have ascended to heaven at anytime, BUT HE THAT CAME DOWN DROM HEAVEN--(who came down from heaven? Is it not Jesus?)*--, even the Son of Man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN!

Who is the Son of man? JESUS! Where was He when he was making this statement? EARTH! But where did He say the Son Of Man is while making that statement? IN HEAVEN!

Hahahahaha glory glory glory hahhelluyah..

Jesus just confirmed His omnipresent nature. HE WAS ON EARTH HERE MANIFESTING HIS SALVATION MINISTRY, AND AT THE SAME TIME, HE IS (present tense) IN HEAVEN
SEATING ON HIS THRONE..

Oh my oh my! No wonder Brother Paul shouted 'GREAT IS THE MYSTERY...(1Tim.3vs16). He is truely awesome.

So, that is our God, coming from the water (the FLESH,) the dove descending (THE SPIRIT LIVING IN THAT FLESH,) and the voice (signifying the unlimited capability of that DEITY,) to manifest as it likes.
No wonder he said;

''my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither my ways your ways''
Isaiah 55 vs 8-9.

You can't fathom His ability!

All manifestation attributes of ONE BEING, NOT THREE IN ONE.

Just as a man comprises of a Body, Soul and Spirit, three aspect of the man. But that does not make him three persons.

So is God! And we have seen it now, proven by scriptures itself. God interpretes His own word and actions.

As a Flesh, He set down the example; HUMILITY, For the rest that would believe in him to follow. Thus;

as a Flesh(man), he thought it not robbery to be equal with God.. But in reality, He is that God.

-- He became hungry as a man. But in reality, He is the bread of life, and even fed five thousand plus many left-overs.

-- He was tired as a man, but in reality, His dominion knows no bound, and He is the creator of all things.

-- as a man, the flesh needs an ultimate, which is the spirit. And so, when He prays, complained, and so on: it is only an example, a precedent, that all men should follow when faced with diverse challenges and conditions. That is, cry to God.
For in reality, he is not weak. he is that the same spirit- almighty God-Rev.1vs11.

He is the everlasting Father.

And He is never weary!


One Being all the time!


CAN SOMEBODY SHOUT GLORY TO JESUS!

Barnabaseloka:
1. According to the Scriptures, how come that Jesus ascended to heaven and is seated at the right hand of God, pleading with the Father on our behalves? Will Jesus be seating at the right-hand side of himself and pleading with himself?

I have already addressed the issue of who is Jesus and and who is the Father. Check my other posts. Now why don't you tell me who is Jesus and who is the Father and who is the Holy Ghost? Before you jump to conclusions that you dont understand!

Jesus is sitting at the right of God means THE right hand of the MAJESTY ON HIGH.--Heb.8vs1.

The word 'God' is an object of worship, not a name of any person. God is a deity, and this deity is a Spirit, and Jesus is the Flesh of that God. That is why he said, he that have seen me have seen the father. In other words, HE IS THE FATHER, How?
Because, the Spirit which is the original nature of that deity called the Father, is dwelling in the spoken-word-Flesh created by Him for salvation. AND THE WORD OF GOD IS GOD HIMSELF, NOT ANOTHER SEPERATE GOD.

Thus, when he returns to the majesty on high, it means going back to his place of authority.

And this is where it became interesting! When a man dies, the Spirit goes back to his maker, But the Flesh remained and decay on the ground. But in the case of Jesus, it was not so. FOR HE AROSE WITH HIS COMPLETE BODY. why? How come? Because THE SPIRIT THAT WAS IN THAT BODY WAS GOD HIMSELF! And that body was His FLESH for the sole purpose of salvation.

Thus, to become the sole High priest after the other of Mechizedek, and to act as the only Mediator and intercessor between God(the deity in spirit form) and man, that Body had to go up with Him.
And it is in that body (the spoken -Word that became flesh,) dwells the Originator, God who Spoke and own the Word; that is why it is written,
''God (the spirit deity) is in Christ ( the Flesh the spirit deity created) reconcilling the world to himself.''

That is, God took His own Body up, to the Mercy Seat, which is now the Throne, and as long as those marks are there, the blood is there; that body continues to Mediate and intercede for us between God that is inside it. While a token of His anointing (His Holy Spirit) is working wonders among men and sealing them unto the day of Redemption. The second coming.

Greatest Mystery of all!

Furthermore, where do yiu think Christ is seating? On the right, and His father is seated at Left side or on Top huh?

it will interest you to know that JESUS will be seating on a glorious throne--Matt.25vs31, and He is already seated in that throne, and guess where he is seating.....:p:p.

..Not right, not left not even by anybody...BUT...:p.. IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE!

Rev. 7 vs 17..

That is your right hand of God!

What a Mystery!

Pls, i want ro rest now. I will answer the rest tomorow.

Stay calm and pray the Lord for understanding. See ya..

johnw74:
Jesus prayed to the Father to send to believers another comforter,
that is three persons, jesus, the Father and another comforter (the Holy Spirit).

The Father is God, Jesus (the Word) is the same God, the Holy Spirit is the same God.

You don't believe those scriptures?

Dead wrong!

I have already addressed who is the Father, and who is Jesus, in similar posts here. So i wont waste the time going all over that again. Please, feel free to search them out.

But one thing you must understtand is that. THERE IS NEVER ANYWHERE IT IS WRITTEN THAT THERE ARE THREE PERSONS MERGING TO BECOME ONE GOD. When you say this, you are making God A LIAR, and God can not Lie! Num.23vs19.

How?

Jesus made it it clear that, they Samaritans (representing the Gentiles in General) does'nt know what they are worshiping;

John 4:22 ►
You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.''

what this meant is that, the Jews knew more than we do, the God that we claim to be worshiping today. The only difference is that, they were blinded in part to pave the way for us to be grafted into the body, buy adoption, through faith in Jesus Christ. Otherwise, the Jews knew that you can't chop their God into three dinstinct persons, and merge them together to become ONE.

Thus, in Deut.6vs4, the Grand commandment was given: ''hear O Isreal; the Lord thy God is ONE LORD'' not two, not three in one,
BUT ONE!

The jews understand this perfectly well!

The terms Father, is not a name, Son, is not a name, Holy Ghost, is not a name. They are TITLES OF THE SAME ENTITY CHARACTERIZING THE DISPENSATIONAL MANIFESTATION OF THAT ENTITY.

For instance, a man becomes a father at home cause he has children, then in the office, he is a manager, and to his immediate parents, he is a son. But father, manager, and son, does not make up his name. Rather they are titles he derived from the very responsibility of each of the positions he finds himself. He has a name by which his parents know him by.
That is how the nature of God constitutes. In the old tesament, he was identified by many titles, such as jehova-Jireh, Jehovah Elohim, El-shaida, The I Am, the Lord thy God, and so on..
For in the Old, He manifested as Jehovah the Father, God above us. In the Gospels, he came as The Son, Emmanuel God with us, and in the Acts of the Apostles down to this Age, He became The Holy Soirit, God in Us!
All three manifestation of One Entity.
Father Son, Holy Ghost were Not His name. They were Titles.

Now, what is his name then? Well, THE NAME OF THE FATHER IS JESUS.

John.5vs43

THE NAME OF THE SON IS JESUS!

Matt.1vs21.

And, THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS JESUS!

Now, watch it: John 14vs16,

'l (this spoken Word that has become Flesh) *will pray the FATHER, (The Deity in the Begining who spoke the Word that became Flesh) *and He shall Give you (the desciples and all those that would subsequently believe in Him later on) '*another Comforter (meaning He was the First comforter to them as long as He was with them, and this promised other comforter is the Original nature of that Deity back in Genesis') --*and He will be with you forever.''

Now, watch it;

John.14vs26--


......the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send IN MY NAME.....''

what is the Name of the Holy Spirit Now, nothing BUT JESUS! Oh gloroius God!

And check this; wasn't He suppose to leave so that the comforter can come? Behold the shocker!

Verse 18.. '' I will not leave you (the desciples, and all that will thereafter believe in Him) Comfortless; I WILL COME TO YOU.

Who came back?

BOOM! JESUS IS THAT SAME COMFORTER!.

FUrthermore, the Entity Jehovah in the Old have these to say,and He can not lie;

I am He, before me there was no God, neither can there be after me...Isaiah 43vs10

then why are some of you trying to force another god inside of Him?

....is there a God beside me? , yea, there is no God, i know not any?....Isaiah.44vs8.

Why are you then adding to him?

Now, in Isaiah.40vs1-5, and 35vs3-6, He Jehovah promise that Himself will come to his people for salvation. The jews understand this and where waiting on Him. But when He came, they could not detect Him as d SAVIOUR, because He hid himself (partial blindness to d traditional Jews, so that salvation could come to you and me, the Gentiles,) Isaiah 45vs15, Rom.11vs 25.
And so, when He jesus eventually came and refer back to what he was telling them in the old, they took up stones to stone Him, why? Not because He was from God, but because HE MAKETH HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD. How? Because the Jews know that THE SON OF GOD MEANS GOD HIMSELF. For they knew correctly that THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD, not two or three dinstinct persons making one.
They were right, and that was why they wanted to Kill Him, but they were wrong because THEY DIDNT KNOW THIER GOD HAD TAKING THE FORM OF MAN, even when he was given them the expo!.

Scholar8200:
The Bible clearly states that Isaiah 40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord,
Or as His counselor has taught Him?
If it be so,the statement found in Genesis 1:26,27 clarifies this matter because God could not have been talking to angels, they were not made in His Image and Likeness!
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[b] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him;

Hence, the pagan religions (most of which started after the flood eg Nimrod/Osiris/Tammuz worship by Semiramis; the latter actually cloned/counterfeited her religion from the promise of the Messiah God made in Geneis 3:15 etc) copied from this truth just as their father the devil does to the things of God. How do I know this? The Bible clarifies that the invisible things of God and His Godhead were revealed by God from the creation of the world Romans 1:20,21-23
20 For ever since the creation of the world His invisible nature and attributes, that is, His eternal power and divinity, have been made intelligible and clearly discernible in and through the things that have been made (His handiworks). So [men] are without excuse [altogether without any defense or justification],
21 Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and [c]godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 Claiming to be wise, they became fools [professing to be smart, they made simpletons of themselves].
23 And by them the glory and majesty and excellence of the immortal God were exchanged for and represented by images, resembling mortal man and birds and beasts and reptiles.

Now as regards the Us in Genesis 1:26, consider the following.
Psalm 104:30
30 When You send forth Your Spirit . . ., they are created, and You replenish the face of the ground.(explains why the Spirit moved on the waters in the beginning)
Isaiah 40:28
28 Have you not known? Have you not heard? The everlasting God, the Lord, the Creator of the ends of the earth
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning [before all time] was the Word ([a]Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.
2 He was present originally with God.
3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.
The above verses clarifies the statement made in Genesis 1:26, creation was attributed to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit not as 3 gods but One note this ," in the image of God He (not they) created him"
. This aspect of the Divine nature is what was known and prostituted by the pagan religions and ignored by the others
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Thats right Brother. For the word of God interprete itself. The plural form 'us' was used when God said 'let us make man in our own image'. Then He went on to interprete His own word.. ''and God made man in His own image''. Not 'their' but 'His'. That is God interpreting himself.

[quote author=Barnabaseloka post=33677361]

We Christians believe that God is one. My questions are: who was Jesus referring to as the Father during his ministry on earth?

The first that should come to your mind is, who is Jesus? Where did He emanate from? Once you are able to solve this, then you would be able to understand the Father, and why He was always refering to Him

Lets go!

In the begining, God made man, extablished him and gave him dominion over all things. But along the Line, man fell and lost the title deed of the world unto Satan. God, for Him to redeem man back to himself, demands blood, by His own law, to redeem man back to him again. And since the blood of animals or no angels in Heaven or anyone on earth can't do it, He had to look for a way out. He had to pay the price for his own law.

Now, God is a Spirit, and since a spirit can not bleed nor die, he must look for a body that must bear the brunt of the penalty for sin. A body He have to creat by Himself. THEN THE PROMISE BEGAN!
In isaiah 35vs 3-5, He, God Almighty, promised to come and save his people (salvation,) and when He shall come, the blind will see, the lame will walk, the deaf will hear, and so on.

Now, in Matt.11vs2-6, Jesus replied the desciples sent by John that they should go back and informed him of the things that they have seen-- the blinds now see, the deaf now hear, the lame now walk, and so on..(as promised in Isaiah 35vs3-5.)

Now, how is Jesus the one now fulfilling this scriptures? Was'nt it suppose to be THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE JEWS USE TO KNOW? Why is it that it is a son of a capenter now fulfilling the promise? Is'nt it strange? No wonder they asked ''can anything good come out of Nazareth? For the way thet were expecting it, it didnt turn out to be so. For God's ways are not our way. So, who is this Jesus?

Now, in John 1vs1, we are told that in the BEGINING (back to Genesis) WAS THE WORD,' (hey! What was the Word doing then? Shortly pls,) AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD' (hold it right there! Who is this God;?) AND THE WORD WAS GOD!

WOW!

Now, lets see. In Genesis 1vs2, the Spirit of God was walking upon the void and formless earth (water). That is, God is a Spirit, and the term 'God' is an object of worship. And in vs3 down, the creation started. How? In vs2, He God was IN THOUGHT ON WHAT TO DO abt the earth. Then He started doing it in vs3 by SPEAKING OUT, and things started to take place.

What does it mean? The word that you speak is a THOUGHT in You first, and is only when you SPEAK IT OUT IT BECOMES A WORD.
Thus, John1vs1, was saying that, the Word he(John) was talking about, HAS BEEN ACTIVE FROM THE VERY BEGINING. And this Word has been with God (that same Spirit Being) as A THOUGHT, and The Word was God, because your thought are not different from who you are, and so, this Word of God Became Flesh and dwelt among us! Also confirming d creativity in vs3.
That is the very foundation of your saviour, Jesus Christ.

Now, that Spirit Being Back there in Genesis, became known as the Father when He step into time and created all things by the SPOKEN WORD (Jesus), except man, who was formed directly from the Earth. The only man formed directly by the Spoken Word that became Flesh is JESUS, (for all other flesh are of earthly product through the sexual interactions of the sperm and ovum characteristics).

This Spoken Word-that became Flesh-Jesus, now became 'the only begotten' of the 'Father-THE ORIGINAL SOURCE.' Hence, since the Word emanated from that Spirit Being, who is now The Father, it is normal that the Word(Jesus) must refer back to its originator (the Spirit Father-source), because YOUR WORD CAN NOT BE EXALTED MORE ABOVE YOU, THE SOURCE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN NOT BE SEPERATED FROM YOU. The Flesh can not take preeminent above the Spirit. That is why Jesus was always refering back to the source it actually came
from. Otherwise, the Word-Flesh belong to the Spirit Being, and the Spirit Being is the ONE acting in the Word-Flesh. One entity all the time, not Two.

Or do you wana say, Jesus is a seperate being entirely from God and the Holy Ghost? If so, answer this: how Many fathers can someone have? Luke 1vs35, He is called the Son Of God. Matt.1vs18, the Holy Ghost is His Father. So Jesus Have two fathers? God forbid. Its one person all the time, manifesting here and there. For God is Omnipresent!

Why did he mention the Holy Spirit who he said that the Father would send b/c He (Jesus) goes to the Father? Can you say that Jesus was going to himself and will send himself? It is a mystery! Your doubt about the existence of Trinity does not make it non-existent.

Since He Jesus is returning back to the Father (that is, d Word back to His position as THE CREATOR), it became expedient that He send them the Holy Ghost to guide them into all truth. For as long as He is with them, its God with Men. But as He leaves, He returns to INDWELL THEM.

Verses below show the Father and Jesus Christ being two persons:

The Word was with God, is two persons.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

Wrong! The word was with God is not two persons! This is where most of you confuse yourselves.
When the bible said ''in the begining was the word....,'' where was the Word then? In THE BEGINING (Gen.1vs1-2,) ---now, we must understand something here.. What is a word? A WORD IS A THOUGHT EXPRESSED! Before you alter a word, it is first a thought in you, and it can never become a word unless you have altered it out. Now-- ''and the Word was with God'-- the word that comes out of you is always with you, it was a thought in you and emanates from inside of you to the open, whenever you deem it fit to alter it. It does not come from somewhere else.
** '' and the Word was God,''--- your thought is you, and when it becomes a word, IT IS YOU!
You are not different from your word. Though you are superior to your word (in the sense that it emanated from you,) you are not different from your word.

That was the mystery as enshrined in John 1vs1-3 viz the creation in Gen.1vs1-3. Back then in the begining, the earth was void and without form, and ''the spirit of God was moving upon the face of the water.'' what does that tell you? God was calculating (in THOUGHT) within Him what to do about the voidness and formlessNess of the earth. And in vs 3, it went 'BOOM! FOR THE THOUGHT Started becoming A WORD which brought out everything that is today, and THE WORD OF GOD IS NOT, AND WAS NOT (coroborating John 1vs1) DIFFERENT FROM GOD! For by it (His own thoughts becoming word,) all things were made, as stated in John 1vs3. The Word of God is God Himself!
Not the other way round!

Now, having put this to rest, the next thing we must consider is, WHO IS God or what is God?

Simple! God is an OBJECT OF WORSHIP. God is not a name but rather, a deity. This God we are talking about is a Spirit being (John 4vs24,) and this Spirit which is the original nature of God, is Holy (the Holy Spirit.) Therefore, the term 'God' is the deity, Holy spirit, 'the original nature of this deity and, ' the Word', is the Spoken Thought' of this Holy Deity!
That is it! The unmistakable character of ONE BEING, not three distinct beings in one.

Now, it is worthy of note that from the begining, all things were created by this SPOKEN THOUGHT OF GOD, except one thing-- MAN! Man was the only creature that was not formed directly by the spoken word of God, rather, he was formed by God's own productive hand-craftship, from the soil of the earth.
The only being that was formed by the direct Spoken Word of God is JESUS! THE ONLY WORD OF GOD THAT WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US (John 1vs14,) --
'' and we beheld his 'glory' (this wonderful thing, this mystery,) as of the ONLY BEGOTTEN--(the only human-being that was formed expressly by the SPOKEN WORD OF GOD, without sperm)--of the 'FATHER,' (that is, the originator of the Word, the owner of the Thought spoken to become Flesh.) hahahaha. Halleluyah!
This is the greatest mystery of all. The THOUGHT of God spoken to become WORD, and the WORD becoming FLESH, IS ALL CHARACTERISTICS AND DISPENSATIONAL MANIFESTATION OF ONE BEING, (as stated in 1st Tim.3vs16,) THAT SELF-SAME BEING THAT WAS MOVING UPON THE WATER BACK THEN IN GENESIS. ONE GOD ALL THE TIME.

Thus this WORD-FLESH now dwelling among men, is 100% God, and 100% Man. And since he came for the purpose of salvation, He had to lay the example for us to follow.. Therefore, as a man, He was hungry, as a man, he must have an ultimate (the Father-the Logos for the Son-the Word, His own Word). Thus when he talks, prays, gives sermons and preached, he always refer back to the Logos-originator, the source from whence He-the Word actually emanated-as 'The Father,' whom is not different fron His own Word.

Thus,

1Jn 1:2 (for the Life was revealed, and we have seen it and bear witness, and show to you the everlasting Life, who was with the Father and was revealed to us),

the Spirit that walk upon the water became Known as father upon creating all things. And the Word by which He created all things became FLESH for the purpose of salvation, thus becoming the Son. The work of the same Spirit Being all the time.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

It never said there are three Gods-God the father, God the Son And God the Holy Spirit.. Thus, this is what it meant;

''there are 3 that bears RECORD (not records. And what records? Nothing but the testimonial manifestations of God's power of SALVATION, REDEMPTION AND EVENTUAL JUDGEMENT of all things) 'the Father' is d OWNER of the 'WORD,' and the Holy Ghost is the ACTUAL NATURE OF GOD dat gave the WORD life.

The attributes of ONE BEING!

johnw74:
Jesus prayed to the Father to send to believers another comforter,
that is three persons, jesus, the Father and another comforter (the Holy Spirit).
The Father is God, Jesus (the Word) is the same God, the Holy Spirit is the same God.

You don't believe those scriptures?
tell me what you think they mean.

Good!
Thank you for ur comments. Now, i will state my position and elaborate on what the biblical concept of the Godhead is all about. There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations', and with multiple titles. The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Consequently, the fourth century meeting of the Nicene council (as at when rome, through emperor constatine,was ruling the world) was to place them under d trinitarian definitions. This concept ,through d power of Roman Catholic, church swept throughout the christian faith and has become so embedded in christianity to d extent that to question its validity is immediate heresy.

The church today has lost d revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed himself in the old testament as the ''Father,'' God above us', in d Gospels manifested as 'the Son', God with us', and in the book of Acts-unto this age as 'the Holy Spirit,God in us'. Not three persons but one glorious personage, as wonderfully unveiled in Hebrews 13.

Now, my first take is that THE JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAME JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.
Yes, God throughout d old testament did not have a body,but appear in different forms to d people, such as d 'burning bush' to Moses, the cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night. God being a spirit (John 4vs24) hath, before d foundation of d world, foreseen d fall of man by d transgression of Adam and Eve, and He required a perfect atonement, a sacrificial lamb, to redeem man from his fallen state, by the shedding of 'blood' (Hebrews 922). It takes blood to pay the penalty for sin yet, no man, no angel, no priest or animal, was found worthy to redeem man. Therefore, God, since there is no saviour beside Him (isaiah 43vs11, 3. Isaiah 45vs22. Hosea 13vs4,) must then do it Himself, in order to show that He is the only 'redeemer'.

But then God knew He, as God, could not die and bleed in d Spirit, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement, and for Him to fulfil his plan of salvation, He had to put on a veil of flesh, to taste death and pay d penalty for His own law to justify the ungodly. God started to make d promise dat He would come down to save and restore mankind back to him. In Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, he said,
''your God will come (to this earth) to save you (the jews and as many more that would thereafter believe in Him,) and the eyes of d blind will be open, the deaf will hear, the lame will walk,and d dumb shall speak'...
all these are to happen when this Jehovah God(been the only Saviour) 'wil' come.

Now, did this promise came to pass? Yes, it did because God never lies or fail in His promises. In John 1 vs 29, John (who never knew Jesus before but being guided by d spirit) testified by declaring Jesus as ''the lamb of God which taketh away d sins of d world''.. This mean that, by revelation, John knew who Jesus was and He subsequently baptized Him.
But it became interesting that this same John later in Mattew 11 vs 2, sent two of his desciples to ask Jesus, ''are u the One that is to come or are we to look for another?'.
Now why did John asked that conflicting and confusing question when he had already bare record of Him (Jesus) as stated in John1 vs 29?
Well, the reply Jesus gave unto john's desciples in verses 4 and 5 of d same mattew 11, answers any such thoughts, and clearly fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, for 'the lame walked,the blind saw, the deaft heard...''

What this mean is that Jehovah actually came anf fulfilled His words and His plan of salvation as written in 1Timothy 3vs16.
When was God(Jehovah) manifested in the flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman without any sexual act but it was God Himself making both hemoglobin egg cells in d wonb of mary, God Himself taking the nature of man. Jesus Christ was d flesh of God, none order than God Himself creating a body of His own. That Body was called 'the Son', while d Spirit which is d original nature of God indwelling the Body, was the 'Father'. Not two Gods now but God veiling Himself in FLESH. Thats the reason why Jesus was called 'Emmanuel' meaning 'God with us', God dwelling with men. When d Father decided to come down as our saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in d womb of mary. This seed was to produce d flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.
The name Jesus means 'Jehovah has become our saviour'.


To be continued....

plaetton:
Listen buddy, everything you have said here about your invisible skydaddy also applies to my invisible sky mistress/goddess, Nkiru Silvanus, including the consuming fire part.

Alright sir!
If you feel so.

johnw74:
You are right of course, we know the scriptures are true and don't deny them.
Jesus goes to His Father, God.
And verse 16 is just one other place in the Bible which shows the three persons of God.

Joh 14:9 Jesus said to him, Have I been with you such a long time and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father. And how do you say, Show us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The Words that I speak to you I do not speak of Myself, but the Father who dwells in Me, He does the works.
Joh 14:11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the very works themselves.
Joh 14:12 Truly, truly, I say to you, He who believes on Me, the works that I do he shall do also, and greater works than these he shall do, because I go to My Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatever you may ask in My name, that I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, so that He may be with you forever,

You are wrong, brother! There is nothing like trinity in the bible. Can you pls show me where it is written that there is God the fatherm God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, all mergin to be One?

Pls, i will be waiting!

Then i shall reply properly to this thread!

The Wicked runnet when no man pursuet!

They all are moving money in haste because they understand that once the general mount the stage come may 29, some politicians will find it dificult even to keep money inside their water tanks.

For in Nigeria, corruption has been successfully institutionalized,
it has now become a way of life.


Pathetic!

My lord! It is my humble submission that the said Nepales child birthed under the ravaging tentacles of mother nature, would definitely be an ''iron child,'' strong like Kalakunta Republic, and so, should be named ''quake!''

Thank you my lord. I rest my case!

The calamities that are befallen the world here and there, are signs that the universe is in ''birth pains,'' and about to give birth to a new World.

Get on board the ship of salvation now before it is too late.

You never can tell where might be next on the radar of mother nature!

What about women who profess an intimate love for Jesus, and often fall into an ecstatic trance while praying and calling the name of Jesus.?
No lusts involved, or is holy lust an exception?

It depends on your understanding of the words 'intimate' and 'ecstatic,' and your overall assessment and perception in relation to the act of praying and self-service.

Prayer is an act of speaking to God privately or in a religious ceremony, expressing love, thanks or in order to ask for something, and BY FAITH, you believe it is done or would be done.
The KEY DIFFERENCE here is FAITH; that is believing that God, whom you dont see, is hearing you and would answer you. That is the intimacy, not the other way round.

Intimacy with God is based on faith and complete repentance. When you draw near to God by repenting, accepting Him and living his rules, He will then draw near to you; James 4 vs 8. And then His spirit will start to bear witness with your spirit (the foundation of the intimacy) that you are of God;Romans 8vs16.

And once this intimacy is in place,
the power of God is bound to come down anytime upon such a person or people like the women you refered to above, because their mind at that point in time is now right with God, and they are praying in the Spirit- Ephesians 6vs18. Then the sensation takes place because, God dwells in the worship of His people - Matt 18 vs 20. And He is a Holy God.

Thus, there is no lust or sexual connection whatever!

Praying is not, and can never be a form of self-servicing!

For God is holy, and can not lie, fornicate nor sin!

The process of singing, clapping, dancing or praying, is known as ''worship.'' and you can only worship God when you are in truth and in spirit, John 4vs24,

(not like in self-servicing where the driving force is lust,)

and when such that are called the children of God by adoption now renders worship, their worship is pure.

(but self-service is never pure because, you may visualize yourself making love perhaps, to another man's wife or so. Such an adulterous and fornicating act can never be pure. Is of the devil.)

It is never of same mindsets!

A man goes on a prayer time for the purpose of finding spiritual solutions to many problems confronting him, and which can only be solve through spiritual means. And deep down in his MIND BY FAITH, he knew that God will surely answer him.

But the self servicing idiot, for example upon spoting a ''skirt passing by,'' quikly rush inside to his sanctuary, where he root out his ''generational machine,'' and proceed to torturing the poor thing.
There is no real mindset at all! What is actually taking place here is self-inflicted torture.

A faithful prayerman does not FANTASIZE, because he has FAITH that the God he is seeking is Real, and that He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

On the other hand, a self-servicing man dreams of other people's wives he can never go near, celebrities he can only see on tv, and so on.. While he continue to torture him self in hopelessness.

But the prayerful man is always hopful, even when the odds seem otherwise. And as he continue in faith and patience.. gboom! That which he has been waiting on for long, here comes, gliding through the door, in the home, at the office, in school, in the family, even in the lives of others (intercessory prayers,) and so on..
Then he rises, goes to church and glorify God in the midst of the congregation of the saints. He pays his vow, ifany, and boom! They all rejoice wiht him or her.

For at the end of the day, he or she had something to show for his or her FAITHFULNESS!

None of these your self-service man have. Rather, the only god that never fails to answer him whenever his guardian demon activates him, is HIS HORMONES which can't stop to reel out the FLUIDS/ORGANSM, because it too is subject to the DEMONIC TORTURE.

On these note, there are no PARALELS AT ALL!

And no one should compare God's holy mode of worship with the Lusts of our rotten flesh.

For our God is a Consuming Fire!

Hebrews 12 vs 29.[/quote]

panafrican:
One day we shall know how all this started.

hahhahaha.. Only when we get to heaven!

CountDracula:
Dis is fake news abeg!

Is fake the only word you could use for this garbage?

It should interest you to note that this witchaunting List is the brain-child of the CIA, and it mostly conprises of Nations who have, in one way or the other, resisted the Satanic quest of the US to interfer in and dominate their domestic affairs and their economies viz their notoriously greedy Multi-National Coporations.

And Where they failed in achieving their devilish aims and objectives, they create false flag scenarios, psyop the unsuspecting and zombified populace to get the needed motivation, and then invade, bomb and rape their hapless victims.

And where immediate rape is not possible or the opposition is strong, then they resort to political and economic witchhaunt through the deeply controlled Main Stream Media, or outright coup cum ''colour revolution,'' the HALLMARK of the CIA.

If all these aforementioned countries are corrupt, then the US, by virtue of its Multi-Nationals activities world wide, should be the NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST!

Rubbish!

Nigeria didnt make this one because, THEIR MISSION HERE WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL!

No thanks to a Cluesless regime headed by a clueless water side man called JONATHAN.

Thank God he is going back to the creeks!

Angelou:
don't be brainwashed by religious fallacy dude.... russia is the boss.... why didn't you make reference to the scripture when uncle sam legalised homosexual marriage hmn?!

Religious fallacy, huh? The times we are living in is in line with the cosmic projection of things taking place here now. If you dont know your time-piece, then you dont know where you are. There is nothing fallacious about the doom that is coming upon the earth.

It was so back then during the time of Noah before the Flood came, it was so back then during the days of Lot before the Fire came down on Sodom and Gomorrah. Seers saw ahead before the 1st World War came, then the 2nd World War warning, but as usual, man waved it aside, then it came and till date, the effect is still been felt accross the globe.

Now, the formations are gradually taking place. The warning bells are ringing again concerning a third Nuclear conflageration that may befall the earth, should man continue in its current course. But as usual, it is been waved aside as '' a fallacy.''
A price which man must pay by trying to take the place of God here on earth.

You seem to have misunderstood my post in replying to a certain Panafrica post up above. Read it again.

Yes! Russia is the boss of its own game, a grandmaster in strategic geopolitics, outwitting its opponents here and there.
And it is this never-say-die attitude or never give in nature by it and the other major key players, say NATO and the US, that may eventually lead to this much talked about destruction of the world. No one is kiddin here, dude!

As for Uncle Sam and homosexuality, it forms part of the equation why man must at some point pay for the unprecedented evil done against nature.

They will surely pay!

DProDG:
Have you even read the bible? That books is built on self praise and egotism of a non-existent being.

you see how Satan has brainwashed alot of you? The bible is built on a non-existing being, you said? Yet, at the MENTION OF A PARTICULAR NAME IN THE SAME BIBLE, THINGS START TO HAPPEN! Why don't you explain that? Oh, i got it! That name is non-existent too, right?

And do you know the striking thing about all this? Before People like you were even born, and took the position you are now, they were already made mention of by the same character in the same old book you classified as non-existent.

Psalm 14 vs 1...
Psalm 51 vs 1

Hence, i am not surprise!

johnydon22:
Have you ever wondered why an allegedly all powerful being will require to always be praised and worshipped? that he created humans and angels to get that praise and worship?

Why would something perfect require praise? why would something perfect require to be worshipped? why would something perfect require sacrifice?

I think judging from all these characteristics of the bible god it can easily be deducted have a total/lusty need to be loved, praised, worshipped, adored!!! that he will even threaten to send u to fire if you dont.. Its really an egomaniac and love lust... for what??....

such exhibition of intense love for one's self or ego is narcissism and narcissism is a huge character flaw

Atheist like you don't know shit! I pray that God opens the eyes of your mind to reason spiritually.

There is nothing ''alledgedly'' about God's superiority and supremacy. Its only your Satanically controlled mindset and perceptions that is speaking aloud!

God is God, and would forever remain so. His dominion is from everlasting to everlasting. And in Him, there is no Flaw!

Now, put away your serpentine nature for once, and reason like a normal natural man!

If you had a son to whom you always provide his necessaries, kept him in good health, and so on, if he at the end refuse to ackowledge your goodwill and all your efforts towards his life, the same son that you gave birth to, never saying ''thank you,'' how would you feel towards that child?

Or better still, how would you feel if that child of yours, after all you have done, turns and gave all the praise and glory to someone else, expecially when that someone else is your sworn enemy, How would you feel, thou son of man?
I guess you would clap for him, huh?

And why dont you ask yourself, if you are an athlete, why do you always aim for the 1st place? To be mocked at or to be praised? As a student, why do you wana be the top notch in the class? And what happens if despite all results being released showing you are in the lead and cleared for graduation, only for you to learn later that you cant graduate and your result is being seized, simply because you are a ''suspected cultist,'' tell me you will not threaten legal actions and such other things, if they dont reverse to the status quo?

If not for the glory, fame recognition and need to become relevant, why do you strive for so many things in life?

Now, that is for us humans. Why wont or should'nt God demand praise from his subjects? Who created them at the first place? Where was thou ungrateful human when he layeth the foundations of the earth? Even before you were formed in your mother's womb, He knew you! Who gave your mother the grace and strenght to carry a rebellous child like thee for good nine months, bred and sustaineth thee to see the light of this day? Who keepeth thee through the dangers of the day and fought unseen battles for thee, when thou sleepeth in the dead of night , and woke you up to witness yet another glorious day?
Who else has done a work like him, and why shouldnt He demand or recieve the glory, praise and adoration, rather than the insults a Satanist like thee is ditching out to THE KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS?

Or maybe you can as well tell me why Satan, your father, is also so bent on becoming praised and worshipped, that he even planned a coup to that effect?
And even despite the fact that he was cast out from thence, he still is demanding worship from men today, and is getting it from people like you?

For in this world, you can never be neutral. It is either you belong to God or to the Devil. There is no middle ground! And by their fruites we know them.

Therefore refrain from mocking God.
A word is enough for the wise!

frank317:
Why? How does an adult playing with his dicckk affect ur God?

it does matter to God!

The reason is, anything that goes against the natural order of things, is a perversion, and thus a sin.

Masturbation is an issue Christians cannot ignore. With little regard to gender, age, or even marital status, what is sometimes called solo-sex plunges many of us into the pit of guilt and the despondency of defeat.

Take for instance, Babies of both sexes can discover how to give themselves genital pleasure long before their first birthday. We might conclude from this that masturbation is obviously “natural” and therefore morally neutral. A moment’s thought, however, blows this logic to shreds. It is equally “natural” for little children to lie, steal, slander, bash each other and break any commandment they have the strength to break. If morality were decided on the basis of what humans do the moment they gain the ability to do it, life would be horrific.

Morality is about choosing what is right above our natural inclinations.

First of all, sex was created by God for procreative purposes, physical enjoyment, and the demonstration of intimacy between a husband and a wife. In this context, the sexual act is intended to occur in a healthy marriage relationship between husband and wife in purity and holiness. In contrast to this, masturbation is the self-stimulation to the point of sexual release without the gifting of a spouse. Thus, masturbation is a denial of the sexual design for couples.

What of the principle of purity that is obviously true. Does masturbation fall under the category of purity?
We can say this for sure. Since masturbation involves sexual fantasies and/or pornography, then it is certainly not pure and is very sinful.
The Bible clearly teaches that our minds are as important to God as our bodies are and that we are to remain pure in both.

Masturbation is centered on Lust, a product of the abundance of your thoughts. Thus, In Matt. 5:27-28, Jesus said that thinking lustful thoughts is sinful. Therefore, masturbation involving sexual fantasies is undoubtedly sinful.

But this brings up the issue of a spouse masturbating while thinking of his/her spouse. Is it sinful? Again, since the Bible does not declare it sinful, can we? Let's say that a wife is incapacitated by an accident and is in the hospital for an extended period of time. Is it alright for the husband to masturbate if he thinks only of his wife in order to relieve sexual tension? Again, without a specific declaration of Scripture, it is difficult to pronounce it as sinful, as one may think. But On the one hand, his body is not his own, and it is for his wife; and he is not to be mastered by anything ( 1 Cor. 6:12). But on the other hand, she is not available. Would his masturbation be sinful should he commit it if he only thought of his wife? Well, like we said, his body is not his alone, and so he can not satisfy himself alone.

Furthermore, what if a person masturbates in order to reduce the sexual urge in an attempt to not commit fornication? Certainly, actual fornication would be a sin, and masturbation would be preferable in this instance. But does this mean that the person is being mastered by the flesh? If so, then that would be wrong. But, does it mean then that a self-release of sexual tension is then acceptable if it is to avoid fornication? Again, this is a lame excuse because the bible, in Galatians 5 vs 19, talked about lasciviousness, which is a strong desire to have sex upon sex, a habit that a believer shouldnt have.

Let's look at some verses that speak of sexual morality.

*. 1 Cor. 6:18, "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body."

*.The Greek word for "immorality" isporneia which means illicit sexual intercourse, i.e., fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, etc. The English word "pornography" is derived from this Greek word.
*. Eph. 5:3, "But do not let immorality or any impurity or greed even be named among you, as is proper among saints."
*.Again, the word for "immorality" isporneia.
*. Col. 3:5, "Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry."
*.Evil desire?

*. 1 Thess. 4:2-5, "For you know what commandments we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God."

Masturbation like i said is based on lust, hence, is an immoral act which in turn is wrong and sinful before God!.

The entire planet and its formation has always been a mystry.

pkjag:
I've never really understood how exactly the jews are different from the rest of the white people from europe, how do you know a jew conservative or not. Do they have specific names because you can't tell them by looks alone especially in the US. And these jews who "control" the US, are they the typical jews from israel with a hebrew accent or are they just immigrants from europe who got americanized and lost their accent. If they're so powerful why didn't they prevent Iran from getting a nuclear deal despite an outrage from Netanyahu seeing that they "control" Obama . Are these just conspiracy theories

They are not condpiracy theories. And moreover, the Iranian issue is a very delicate one, which if not carefully approach, could lead to World War 3. Make no mistake about that!

However, The origin and concept of the Jews is always subject to debate upon debate. Some say the Real Jews are the Black Americans and Latin Americans. Other says they are Caucausians, brown, of negroid origin and so on.. Their existence and actual origin and migration viz the Real Jews, is always a subject of controversy.

You may wana read these up for further understanding:

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=60

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_zion34.htm

However it may seem, one thing is very certain, and it is that, THERE ARE REAL JEWS AND NON REAL JEWS.

In Revelation 2 vs 9, Jesus Himself stated this fact, not just once, but twice; also in Revelation 3 vs 9.

What it means is that there are those who are calling themselves Jews, are today identified as Jews, whereas, they are not Jews by the Original bloodline.

These sect of Jews are today refered to as the ''Khazars Jews,'' held to be descendants from turky or so. The Real Jews are the ''Semitic Jews,'' which are suppose to be living in the homeland today.

In terms of Identification, i will not buy into the idea of bodily features and tonations, because humans tend to evolve over time as they become expose to other places, mixed up with others, the food we eat, and as well, changes and variations in weather and climate, can alter the real physical nature of people.

Thus, i would rather identify them by their actions as it relates to the word of God concerning the times we are living now, as well as the prophecies that pertaineth to them..

Take for instance, the rebuilding of the temple as prophesied in the book of Daniel.. Right now, there is a group in Isreal that has taken it upon itself that the Solomon's temle must be rebuild, even though the place the Temple is to be erected, is been occupied by the Mosque of Oman, for which the Book of Daniel refered to as the ''abomination that maketh desolate.''
such people can be regarded as the Real Jews who can only bring to pass the promised word of God concerning them.

Nevertheless, extensive reading on your part would help in identification. But one thing is sure, NOT ALL JEWS TODAY ARE ACTUALLY JEWS!

ifyan:
Believe me the world is not stupid to experience anything called World War 3

What am I seeing here.

Hmmmm Russian take it easy.

You know. ......

hmmmm... I hope so.. But the handwriting on the walls of international politics is saying otherwise. But lets just hope, brother. Lets hope.

panafrican:
Isn't despicable to see Christians being kind of being joyful for the coming of WW3? Why should people perish by millions before the glory manifestation of God takes place? what type of God is that? Were the suffering of people during ww2 enough ?
Abrahamic religions' tendency to find salvation through massive apocalyptic events is so absurd and abhorrent !

Listen son of man!

Nothing here is despicable, and no one is rejoicing that a World War is coming. Rather, it is the consequences of man's action that is shaping its destiny, not God willing that he should perish!

For God out of His power of foreknowledge always knew what is ahead of man, and so forwarned them. And we are only stating the facts.

When men have left the estate of God, and has taken it upon themselves to establish on earth the synagogue of Satan....what do you expect..? REV 2 vs 9, 3 vs9..

When men refuse to embrace the thoughts of God which are good; Jeremaiah 29 ves 11, but rather which to accept evil, what do you expect?

When the evil doing of man has seperated him from God, and God, out of mercy, sent his son Jesus, but they rejected him, John 3 vs 18, what do you expect?

And as man continue to wallow in sin, he has lost his estate in God: Isaiah 59 vs 1-2.

And when men have become fools and say there is no God, seeking to take the place of the almighty here on earth, by doing all that pleaseth them: oppressing the poor, robbing the defenecless of their resources, bombing nations to oblivion under false pretext (Iraq, Libya,Vietnam,Afghan Panama, Nicaragua etc,)
turning the natural to the unatural by way of legislation-women marrying women, men marrying men, institutionalising Satanism/paganism while constraning and frustrating the recognition and worshiping of God and His tenets, what else shoud we be expecting? The Host of Heaven should Clap for you for making a mess of God's permissive will and grace?
Psalm 14 vs 1. Romans 6 vs 1 to 2.

Thus, it becomes natural that man must pay for his sins by death;

Romans 6:23 - For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Galatians 6:7-8- Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Romans 5:12- Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men...

Isaiah 59:2- But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid [his] face from you, that he he will not here --

it was man that seperated himself from God, not God hating man.

Jude 1:7- Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.--

is today not worse than Sodom and Gomorrah? If they paid for their sin, then this generation and beyond must also pay for their sins, since they love not the truth, Romans 1 vs 21 to 32.

The word of God is sacred.

Proverbs 14:12- There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.

1 John 3:4- Whosoever
committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Ezekiel 18:20- The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

2 Peter 2:4- For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

1 John 1:9- If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.--

are we repenting or upgrading in sin?

John 3:3- Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.--

Is the likes of Obama born again? Well, thou knowest...

1 Peter 2:1-25- Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings--

is this the nature of most men today?

Romans 1 vs 30; ..inventors of evil things..--

nuclear bombs, machine guns, biological weapons, figher jets, warships, and many more... Was it God that asked man to event this things and kill themselves?

The fact that out of God's permissive will, man is allow to do that which he deemed fit in his eyes, does not imply that God derives satisfaction from them. Since man have chosen to go the wrong way, despite all warnings and salvation sent to him, it is only normal that he should also dance to the sound of his own tune.

For there is time for everything.

So, STOP BLAMING GOD. keep your side of the bargain, and he will keep His. For He is a convenant keeping God, but only to them that keep His ways!

2Chronicles 6 vs 14.

If you think America and its media goons are trying to re-write history, well, i think they will largely be successful, but only in the eyes and minds of those zombified enough to read and digest line, hook and sinker, the Likes of NY Times and listen to the likes of BBC and CNN bullshits.

The rest of the world knew what transpired during WW 11, and no amount of ''history doctoring'' can change that.

Obama non presence at the VDay parade was expected, and believe you me, he was'nt missed a bit.

The main highlight of the show, however, which has largely been overlooked in some quarters, was the Red army of China MARCHING on the Vday square. The sight of Chinese army Marching side by side the Russians, is sending shivers down the spines of some observers. The strategic alliance of Russia and China is no longer in doubt, and the fear now is that it is gradually but unmistakably becoming A BIOLOGICAL ONE.

No thanks to Uncle Sam's self-appointed Exemptionalism and unrestrained quest For world hegemony.

Like it or not, an ALLIANCE is gradually forming, and.......na so WORLD WAR TAKE THEY START!

EYES WIDE OPEN!

He that have an ear, let him hear....

Russia and China marching side by side.. The biblical nations of Gog and Magog.

World War 3 formations gradually taking place right under our eyes..

Get ready for the second coming of Christ!

pkjag:
I heard that the Israeli are able to destroy the S-300 in Syria, about Serbia there are lots of conspiracy theories on that story, so who will emerge the real middle east power, Iran, Israel or Saudi Arabia?

The S300 was not officialy stated to have been transferred by sale or whatever to the Assad regime. Hence, i doubt the veracity of Isreal taken them out, cause, they were'nt there at the first place.

I know that Russia has been covertly supporting the Syrian regime with some high level weaponry, but not with the S300. Its not something that you can hide from satelite or public view.
I might be wrong though

That said, i honestly believe that Isreal has the capability to deal with such threat, afterall, they are the ''sons of the convenat,'' and who can make war against God's elect and completely prevail? (i speak after the manner of spiritualism and the cosmic order.)

but the truth is, in warfare, aerial attack and defense capability is always difficult to achieve or curtail exclusively, on either side, expecially when both foes are on an equal or almost on equal footing.
Thus, achieving it or taking it out is not as simple as you may think. Both sides of the coin understand this very well, and that is why this or that side is either complaining here and there, when such is the case.

In reality, the underlying fact is that, Such high level capability and its subsequent counter capability, always served as a major or limited deterrence.

On the issue on which side will emerge as the Real Middle East Power, one must admit the reality that is on the ground.

You mentioned Iran, Isreal and Saudi Arabia. Of course, Syria is out of the equation here, and is rightly so because, for a nation to project the status of 'Real Power,' it should be able to boast of a fledging economy and a chanllenging military might. These syria use to have, but that is far gone now. No thanks to the unending civil war that has totally destroyed and crippled the nation.

As for Iran, it is still bleeding from the effect of sanctions owing to its nuclear program, and this has so much stiffled any meaningful economic growth. Though its military is fairly capable compare to Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and even Saudi Arabia, but it still cannot project much power or influence within or accross the Middle East, since it lack the means in cut-edge technology and a low-go-post in the economic front.. Again, all due to heavy sanctions.

Saudi Arabia is a toothless bull dog. Apart from a seemingly undrying pits of Black Gold, the main stay of their economy, they have nothing else to offer. Forget what is happening now in Yemen. On a very good day, the Saudis can't compete militarily with regional players like Iran, Syria, or Iraq.
The only ground on which they can raise their stakes comperatively higher than the rest in the Middle East, is in the economic arena, and that too is subject to some limitation, in the sense that it is a one-product ecomic nation.

Thus, why the Saudis can project power in the economic front (for it can chose to affect the global supply and price of crude oil, by way of supply itself, negetively or positively, thus affecting the global economy,) it can do little or nothing militarily to assert itself as the regional power base.

Thus leaving us with one option- THE JEWS! The ones who controls most banks of the world. They that controls Wall Street. Wherever they are, they prosper. Financially, they are strong. They are intelligent. Militarily, they have it good, as far as the Middle East is concerned. Whether we like it or not, they are THE SUPER POWER OF THE MIDDLE EAST!

As Satanic as they tend o be in their dealings with other nations, expecially in the Middle East, being found as leaders of top ranking occultism, grandmasters of terrorism and false flag scenarios, chief bankers of the satanic banksters, and whatever you might want to classify them to be, The fact remain that Isreal is the major power in the Middle East, and wolud remain so till the end of days.

'' I WILL MAKE JERUSALEM A STUBBLING BLOCK AND A ROCK OF OFFENCE TO ALL NATIONS ''...... (KJV)

though we all have our rewards..but..

Whom God has bless.....

If you have the answer..