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Zoharariel:
Bro, I can assure you that those that believe in the 2nd coming of christ are regrettably goin to be very disappointed.

As in, He will never come, or what do u mean?

dolphinheart:
New Living Translation
As Peter entered his home,
Cornelius fell at his feet and
worshiped him.
- acts 10:25.

Is peter God? If no , why is he worshiped?.

Question: did Peter accepted the worship? No!

Vs 26

But Peter took him up, saying, stand up; i myself am also am a man.

Cornelius wanted to show respect to Peter, but Peter didnt accept that kind of worship, knowing that only God can be woorship. So Peter was never worshipped in the actual sense.

Zoharariel:
I thought your bible [Revelation 16:15] says he will come like a f.ucking thief in the night

Yes! He will come like a thief, but only to them who are not in Him.

MrPresident1:
Lalasticlala, this is good for Headquarters. If for anything at least for its comic relief content

what you are calling a "comic relief contentv" will one day become a reality, and that day could be now. Let that sink in.

mascot87:
What makes u think she loves you?
Girls deceiving guys since 17AD

Love keh! There is nothing as deceptive as the tantalizing voice and seductive smile of a woman. Love goes beyond "i love you baby".

xtrorse:
Ówókówó! Usobo of all people; just do well to drop it right there and now! You have nothing to brag with against Igbos in the first place.
And stop coming online to spew trash as if you're that important.

Cease hiding behind Niger-delta or SS to rant carelessly.
Next time simply state your ethnic group so you can be responded to accordingly for the sort of creatures you are.
Be bold and answer your father's name!
It's pathetic, shameless and futile to hide behind Niger-delta to be able to have your say!
Are you afraid that your numerous atrocities, treachery, backstabbing, greed, laziness, thievery and collusion in the Asaba massacre will catch up with you sooner than your ever imagined?

I am proud of who i am, a bonafide son of the Urhobo soil, created that way by Almighty God! Why should i brag against the Igbos-one of the best tribes, living in harmony and enjoying the unparalleled hospitality of the Urhobos, Isokos, Ijaws, Itsekiris and Binis in their respective domain? Why should i brag against Igbos when i have the trustworthiness of some of her sons like the Truckpusher, Raplawd, Cyprus000 et al; blue-blooded Igbo Souljas that sees beyond the curtains of tribal sentimentalism, envisioning the revival of not just one Nigeria bound in unity and devoid of political demagogues, but also the reconstruction of Africa's political and economic life.

Alright, i will henceforth stop coming online (since your father own NL) to try disuade you and your warmongering types from self destruct. Maybe you can take a clue from the likes of South Sudan, Syria, Ukraine, Eritrea, Libya; and see that WAR is only an ill wind that blows nobody any good.

The level of your ignoramus is appalling! So the Urhobos are located in your father's backyard? Or you have simply written your own map that is twixting your mind 360 degrees from seeing that we are core SS or Niger Delta? Pathetic!

Stop creating unnecessary attention as if it is possible to compel an adult into an unwanted friendship or union. No matter what's seriously biting you lots you should try not being childish in your reasoning

FYI, Igbos are not interested in traitors, saboteurs or backstabbers, but for the hardworking, determined goal-getters!

This is a free world and so you are entitled to freedom of association. You are are free to merge yourselves with Yoruba, Bini, Itsekiri and any other interested ethnic group of your choice.

Urhobos should leave Igbos out of their misery!

Your sense of reasoning emanating from tribalism based on hate and myopic political views, is a stark definition of your immaturity as a KID. Not until you and your likes (both from other tribes as well) realize that Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas, Binis, Ijaws, Urhobos, etc, are not the enemies, but YOUR/OUR LEADERS - the economic and political blood-sucking, free looting elites are the REAL enemies; you will continue to fight a blind war, only for the system to continue when you think you have arrived.

Tell me, why do a number of Urhobo people come online disguising as the appointed spokespersons for Niger-delta It is getting out of hand already.

I can see you are in pains, brother sorry! But honestly, you are the one giving a definition to this. Any Urhobo man, Igbo man, Yoruba man, Hausa man, etc, have the right to go online and air his views regarding any issues; and for such, it doesn't mean he is speaking for the entire tribe or geopolitical zone where he comes from.
Or should i have said you are speaking for the entire Igbos, simply becos you are airing your views? Is there any sense in it?

I think we can do better if we get ride of the zombies in political and economic uniforms. That is our real enemies, not this region or that tribe.

Keep that up your sleeves!

xtrorse:
Can you be bold enough to state your ethnic nationality for a robust discourse?

I am a bonafide son of Urhobo, Sir!

mecuzee:
Jesus had to do this to his disciples after HIS resurrection. These are men that walked closely with him for over 3 years! You should ask Him to do the same for you! It's takes the anointing to understand scriptures!

Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed (blew) on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost

Totally out of point.

xtrorse:
Okay, but in time of despair you and your fellow hypocrites will not hesitate to call on your innumerable powerless deities - Ogun, Osun, Obatala, Sango, Yemoja, Esu, Sopona, Ifa, and numerous others.

Oh. i see! But unfortunately, i dont worship any of those deity, and am not even from there.

whitecloth:
Nevertheless, Isreal is a badass military power!


thank you for saying that, though Israel is a very cautious country, yet to attack Iran is not a good idea, though I see it as a mock propaganda, mind you its CNN: Dont trust them, remember that some month ago, netanyahu came to USA to beseech them to stop Iran nuclear weapon, soo, I think Israel with that and other issues on ground in the middle east, attacking Iran is a bad idea.

thats true. It would have been a real bad idea.

Trump is just a sounding cymbal. He will never win anything. The anointed one has already be known. The elites and their shadow government have already decided who would be the next president.

FighterPilot:
I completely disagree. JF-17 was not meant to become a powerful dog fighter rather an interceptor.

Exactly right!

DaBullIT:
1 Vladimir putin no sabi you , Your letter na formal letter

2 Error

3 Putin be like Is that registered ?? we may have spies in the country

4 Putin be like , Yuri , check for immigration records with Biafran Passport , Yuri be like , There's nothing like that sir, Putin Be like Ayayayaya, they came through the sea, Deport now !!

5 Consult history , Biafra was not your country when it was named, and it was named not so long ago

6 Unfortunately WORLD media sees Buhari's government as fair and unislamic , Using religion angle propaganda will not work

7 Like it or not UK is still Russia's Ally , Your lies failed there

8 History says otherwise

9 Na you do you

You don talk am finish.

CreampieAngela:
Biafra republic must be accomplished in Jesus name

Sorry Ice-Cream, Jesus is no warmonger. So his lovely name can't answer for you.

cybertyrant:
I can see ur legs shaking and pees all over ur pants.

Biafra is a spirit its inevitable

Then stand still and behold as that spirit is been bound hands and feet and cast back to the abyss of history it belong.

DaBullIT:
WHY NOT ??

Those radio biafra zombies do not know what they are wishing for , it's almost as if it'll rain dollars on every citizen if they get Biafra, but when reality happens, it'll be like film trick !

I repeat, No IPOB members died yesterday , it is all propaganda, this incident occurred august 23 , and the dead were Okada riders who have been banned and tried to fight with police, Radio Biafra blew it out of proportion

if SS and SE can't see that they are asking for Syria , I hope they get what they wish for

Dont mention SS o, cos we are not fools to tag along the east that wants to self destruct.

mecuzee:
I don't have the time to explain a lot of things to you bro. I'll recommend you read a book: The Woman Question By Kenneth E. Hagin .pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxG4GB_ZAfspcUs3LUw5RllWRFE/view?usp=docslist_api

same thing again...leaning on to the teachings of men rather than God's own directives. Kenneth Hagins is a good man, but what sayeth the word of God is the Ultimate.

chuna1985:
Paul has no right to stop women from speaking in the church. Is he God Wen did he start making rules for fellow humans.

Did u read what was written at all? It wasn't Paul that gave the commandment, it was God Himself that decreed it! And unto them that love God, His commandments forms the basis of their Opinion. Their opinion is derived from God's position over issues. Thus Paul's opinion was actually based on God's commandment, not just his own making.

Oklander:
So, those verses that prohibit women he posted up there are trash and to be ignored? Smh...

Ask them o. But are you surprised? The BIG deal that makes the Bible unique and distinct from every other book is that, it foretells things thounsands of years back and ahead, before they happen. It accurately predicted and underscored the nature and character of ALL men, ALL things, even before they came to be.

So right from time, there are people whom the Bible said in the later days shall depart from the truth, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. 1Tim.4vs 1

Having teachers with itching ears (not wanting to hear what the scriptures said concerning matters as this), no longer enduring sound doctrine, and will turn away their ears from sound doctrine, choosing to hear lies instead. 2Tim.4vs3-4.

Thus, in 2Thess.2vs11-12; the anger of the Lord is against such persons that denies the truth in favour of unrighteousness.

"....in them that perish, because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
For this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
that they should believe a lie, That they all might be damned who believed not the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."


Brother, this why so many can't get it even when their very eyes are open to it!

May God have mercy!

arsetalks:
Does the OP realise that was Paul's opinion and not an ordinance from the almighty?

Wrong! It was never Pauls's opinion, but the commandment of the Lord. Read verse 38 of 1Cor 14

mecuzee:
God used Kathryn Kulman and Maria Woodworth Etter in healing thousands of folks and demonstrating his power and love. I guess you saying God made a mistake...

You simply don't understand. When in Joel God declared that on the last days, He would pour out His spirit upon all flesh, and their sons and daughters shall prophecy, their young ones shall see visions, and their old ones shall dream dreams: did He said all of them must be pastors, overseers, bishopresses, deaconesses? And as at when the promise of Joel became fulfilled in Acts 2, how many women who recieved the Holy Ghost, spoke in tongues etc, became pastoress, deaconess, overseers? None! Infact, if the bible is your base of reference, have you ever find the feminine aspects of such positions in the Bible? Pls if you do, help me out.

The problem is that, once someone has a gift, particularly one that pulls attention, such as the gifts of prophesy and visions, they quickly run to form churches- where the main goal is profit, wealth, and inflience.

That a woman can prophesy, speak in tongues, dance in the spirit, see accurate visions, tell dreams, etc, does not give her the mantle of leadership to excercise authority in positions of duity over the man in the church. Everything the church is today (or ought to have been) has a pointer in the scriptures. So, Search the whole Bible and tell me where a woman was usurping authority over the man in the worship of God, or in any place of fellow ship. The truth is, you will never find it.
Even in politics (which is outside the religious circle) God is totally unhappy that women are ruling over his people (Isaiah 3vs12). How much more in His place of worship?


You must understand that Gifts and their operations is One thing; Administration/managerial authority is another. A man can marry the two together, but a woman can not. She lost tha right way back in Genesis 3vs16, when God decreed the punishment to that effect,The same decree which was reiterated in Corinthians and Timothy- even the same applies to us till Jesus returns.

The bible is clear and explicit. "Dont assume or rule over the man in the church". It didnt say, dont prophesy, dont, see and narate visions or dreams, dont speak in tongues; no no! Infact, the whole of chapter 14 of 1Cor. was primary an admonition dedicated to the need to keep up with these diverse gifts. But what was clearly seperated there in vs34 was "teaching", a demonstration of authority and rule (as clearly reiterated in 1Tim 2vs12), which is strictly for men in the church, as commanded by God, not Paul himself. Vs 38.

The problem is, most of us chose men as our standard, and so will do whatever they ask and believe whatever they said, instead of taking God and his word as the ultimate. Even when the thing is written in black and white, some still feels the bible's position is wrong.

May God help us!

5starmilitant:
@op......it's forbidden?
Seriously?
So you mean joyce Meyer, Beth Moore, Shirley Caesar, and others that have been touching millions of life positively are threading on the forbidden part?


Screw you bro.........

these people you mentioned so, are they suppose to be your point of reference or standard, or it is the word of God that should be your stansdard?

Na christian they cause people "screw you" so?

Na wow!

Pls easy o.

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[size=18pt]1 Corinthians 14:34-35:
Should Women be Silent in Church?[/size]

[size=16pt]VIDEO'S TRANSCRIPT:[/size]
One controversy concerns the role of women in church ministry. One scripture in particular seems to exclude women from any public ministry:

'Let your women keep SILENT in the churches,
for it is NOT PERMITTED FOR THEM TO SPEAK;
but they are commanded to be under obedience,
as THE LAW also SAYS.
And IF they want to learn something,
let them ask their own husbands at home,
for it is SHAMEFUL FOR WOMEN TO SPEAK IN CHURCH.'
(1 Corinthians 14:34,35)

Some would explain this away as a special command to the unruly women at Corinth to straighten-up, rather than a general command to all women everywhere. But if we treat one scripture this way, what is to stop us treating every scripture this way? Surely the New Testament is written for the whole church.

The subject of the passage is: 'THE WOMEN IN THE CHURCHES (plural)'. This means-'all women.' Moreover the command is based on 'the law' which means it applies to all, rather than just to those in a particular culture or time.

Let us consider what this passage is literally saying. The word for 'silent' does not mean 'quiet' Thus it is not saying that women should have a quiet (meek) spirit. The word translated 'silent' means no word can be spoken!

It is saying WOMEN MUST BE (completely) SILENT IN CHURCH. This doesn't just disqualify them from teaching but also from testifying, praying, prophesing and moving in the gifts of the Spirit-the latter being the context of these verses (1 Cor 12:1)

The First Problem with this passage, is that it contradicts Paul's other teaching in this book.
For he says women may pray and prophesy in church (1 Cor 11:3-5).
In 1Corinthians 12, especially in v13-27 he teaches that all members of the church (men and women), are members of the body and thus have a function in the body working in co-ordination with each other, and so we can all be used in the gifts and ministries of the Spirit.

So, he says: 'if ALL (men and women) prophesy' (1 Cor 14:24)
'When you come together, EVERY ONE (men and women) of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation.' (v26)
'You may ALL prophesy one by one.' (v31)

So, why would he say 3 verses later that all women must be silent in church? Is he being doubleminded?
So the first problem is that in the middle of encouraging everyone to move out in ministry, he is telling all women to be silent!

This also contradicts the spirit of the New-Testament with Jesus treating women with honour, with the churches set free from all Jewish traditions (Acts15), with full equality in the church (Gal 3:28) and with the Spirit poured upon all flesh (male and female) to give power for ministry (Acts 1:8, 2:4,16-18)

A Second Problem is the discouragement upon women from even learning:
'and IF THEY WANT TO LEARN.' The tone of this is condescending to women, that not only should they not speak, it is optional for them to learn the Word (it is even mildly frowned upon as if it were not really their place.) This is clearly in contradiction to the New Testament teaching for women and contrasts with what Paul said in 1Timothy 2:11: 'LET a woman learn.' Here he encourages women to study the Word. Here he speaks against those who would discourage them.

A Third Problem is the AUTHORITY used:
'IT IS NOT PERMITTED FOR THEM TO SPEAK ..AS THE LAW ALSO SAYS.'

Which Law is this? There are 4 possibilities:
(1) The Old Testament Scripture. (The Law of Moses)
It is usually referred to by 'It is written' (1 Cor 1:19,31; 3:19,20; 4:6; 9:9; 10:11, 14:21; 15:45,51)

(2) The Teaching of Jesus (1 Cor 7:10).

(3) The Apostolic Teaching and Tradition
-that which Paul and others received by revelation from the Lord (1 Cor 7:12) Paul received special new revelations to meet the needs of a new situation (the Church Age where many Gentiles were becoming believers on an equal footing with the Jews). For example: 1 Cor 2:10-13,16; 4:1,15-17, 7:6,10,12,17,25; 11:1,2,16,17, 23; 14:36,37; 15:1,3

(4) The Oral Law of the Jews (later written as the Talmud)- the interpretation of Moses' Law by the Scribes and Pharisees. It is followed by the Orthodox Jews to this day as of equal authority to the Bible. They falsely claimed it was passed down from Moses by word of mouth. Jesus clashed with Pharisees over this law. He rejected it and came against it's legalistic spirit (Matt15:3, Mark7:3).

Now when 1 Cor 14:34,35 refers to a law of silence for women, it couldn't be:
(1) because there's no such law in the Old-Testament and he would say 'it is written';
neither is it found in the Gospels (2).
Neither is it (3) because it is clearly a pre-existing law.
Therefore by a process of elimination it must be (4) The Jewish Oral Law (the laws of the Pharisees)

This is confirmed by the phrase: 'As also SAYS the Law.' - a reference to the ORAL law rather than the WRITTEN law (scripture).
(see also Matt 5:21,27,31, 33,38,43)

Also, we know this because it agrees completely with the Talmud and applies to Orthodox synagogues today. The service is for men only. Women are discouraged from even learning, but are sometimes allowed to watch from the gallery, for their place is at home not with things too high for them! And it would be shameful for them to speak in a meeting.

TALMUDIC QUOTES illustrate this:
A Jewish Prayer:'Praise God He hasn't created me a gentile, a woman or an ignorant man.'
'The woman, says the law, is in all things inferior to the man.'
Only men could speak in public (Beraktoth 4,36; Mishnah Aboth 1,5)
No woman could give a testimony or conduct business. (Mishnah Shabbath 4,1)

Women were viewed with disregard and repression, and the Talmud contains many distasteful insults of women's character. They were to be avoided. They were not required to know or fulfil the law and so few were learned.

One said: 'May the words of the Torah be burned rather than be given to women.'
In public worship they were segregated and silenced and so had to ask questions of their husbands at home.

Clearly the writer of 1 Cor 14:34,35 reflected this Pharisaical attitude to women and used this Jewish Law to support his views.

So why would Paul say something that stands in contradiction to the immediate context and the rest of the New Testament? Why would he establish this teaching on Jewish Laws that elsewhere, both he and Jesus rejected?

The simple answer is these verses are not Paul's teaching!
Paul's letters are written in response church situations. 1 Corinthians is the most responsive of them all. Paul had received reports about what was going on (1:11, 5:1, 6:1,8 ), and the church had sent a letter to Paul with many questions (7:1,8,10,12,25; 8:1,4; 12:1; 16:1). There was disunity (1:10-12,3:3). In particular there were 2 groups of people saved from different backgrounds disputing -Jews who tended toward legalism, and Greeks who tended toward license. Paul goes through the issues and questions raised one by one.

Examples of when Paul is clearly responding to what one group has said are 6:15-20 (Greeks); 9:1-11; 11:1-16 (Jews) and 15:12,35,36.

Sometimes he refers what they are saying and then he answers them -e.g.1 Cor 4:8: 'You are already full! You are already rich! You have reigned as kings without us.' (this is what some of them had claimed) --'and indeed I wish you did reign, that we might also reign with you.' (Paul's answer - see also 4:10)

Sometimes he even quotes what they say and then answers them. The problem is that there are no punctuation or quote marks in the Greek and the translators often miss them out.

Some examples of this, are when he responds to the 'loose' Greeks as in 6:12,13:
(You say) 'All things are lawful for me.'
(I Paul) say: 'but all things are not helpful.'
(You say) 'All things are lawful for me.'
(I Paul) say: 'but I will not be brought under the power of any.'
(You say) 'Food is for the stomach and the stomach for foods.'
(I Paul) say: 'but God will destroy both it and them.'
We see the same in 10:23,24.

In questions about idols Paul challenges those who pride themselves in their knowledge but who do not hold it in love. (8:1-3) 8:4: 'We know that -'an idol is nothing in the world and that there is but one God' (again he quotes their words (their knowledge) before he answers as confirmed in v10,11.

Other examples are when he responds to the 'legalistic Jews', 7:1:
'Now concerning what you wrote to me,
(some of you said) 'It is good for a man not to touch a woman.'
(But I Paul say) 'Nevertheless because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife...'

Now we can understand what is happening in 1 Cor 14:34,35.
Paul is quoting what some Jewish converts to Christ, had written in a letter to Paul, complaining about women being involved in church services. Although they were saved they were used to male-dominated synagogue - worship and so found the equality of women in church life hard to take.

They were saying: 'Paul, these women are prophesying, praying out loud, speaking in tongues. The Oral law says it's shameful for a woman to speak in public. Tell them to shut-up!'

So as Paul is teaching on every member participating in church services, it is the natural place for him to deal with their objection. So he quotes what they say: 'Let your women keep silent in the churches, for it is not permitted for them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as the law also says. And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is shameful for women to speak in church' (v34,35)

Then he answers them: 'What, came the word of God out from you? or came it to you only? If any think himself a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things I write to you (not the Talmud) are the commandments of the Lord (the true authority) But if any (choose to be) be ignorant, let him be ignorant.' (v36-38) Paul replies by asserting his apostolic authority above the Talmud.

This also explains why these verses come out of the blue, interrupting the flow of thought, which is picked up again in v39,40: 'Therefore brethren, covet to prophesy and do not forbid to speak with tongues.'

The placement of v34,35 in the passage as a clear interruption and marked contrast to what Paul is teaching, serves to separate them from Paul's own views.

We conclude that Paul isn't silencing women, rather the opposite!

Those who are too quick to agree with v34,35 have unwittingly submitted to an unchristian pharisaical spirit

Hahahaha! The "intellectuals" will stop at nothing in trying to disprove the scriptures, re-write the Bible and propagate their lies and hypocrisy. That vs 34-35 are not Paul's own opinion or writings? What a babel! The problem we have is that alot of us easily interprete scriptures out of context, in other to buttress our own selfish points. The summation of the youtube interpreter and his conclusion is a typical example of such nonesensical interpretations.

Now lets reconsider what the particular verses said.

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints"..(it is the intention of God that Peace be in ALL CHURCHES of the saints- not just the church in Conrith). Let your women keep "silence" (silence as in how? ) in the "churches" (again, all these should also apply to all the churches): for it is not permitted unto them to speak (again, why? ); but they are commanded (by whom? ) to be under obedience as also saith the law (which law? ). And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak (what manner of speaking?) in the church....

Now let us answer the questions raised above.

In the begining back in Genesis, God created Man and made him lord of all in the garden of Eden. But God, in His own infallible and unquestionable ways, deemed it fit that man can not live alone, and He created the woman to be a "helpmeet" (someone who should be with him and assist him in all the things he shall do) not a subordinate! (this must be noted). In other words, The man Adam and the Woman Eve were equal in status, and complimenting one another. It was only after the fall of man(brought by the woman) in the garden that the woman lost her equal status to the man (who was not actually the source of the fall). This was clearly stated by God in Genesis. 3vs16

"and unto the woman He said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shall bring forth children, and (pls take note) THY DESIRE SHALL BE TO THY HUSBAND (the man), AND HE SHALL RULE (have dominion in all things) OVER THEE."

what happened above is that, God striped the woman off all her rights and entitlements as it relates to status between the man and the woman. And this became the standard way or modus operandi in social and religious living all through the Old times (O.T) into the new (N.T), and down till the end of days.

This was what Paul was refering to in 1Tim.2vs14. Now, when Paul in 1Cor.14vs34 said "silence in the church", he clearly meant that the woman should not teach nor in any form usurp authority over the man in the church. 1Tim.2vs12. It was the freedom or equal right that the woman had with man that destroyed the first fellowship and corrupted man in the begining. So by "speak", Paul is simply saying don't assume the ro,e of pastorship, deacon, Overseer, Bishop, Choir leader, Ulsher, - all of which are positions of authority, where commands, orders, directives, ratification/implementation of communiques, opinions ,suggestions or recommendations are made. This was in line with the original order put in place as punishment unto the woman by God in Genesis.

Not the other way round!

Even in politics, God is never comfortable and happy that women are ruling over His people, how much more in His house.... "As for my people, children are their oppressors, AND WOMEN RULE over them. O my people (just immagine the feeling of unhappiness God is showing here), they which lead thee (just like today) cause thee to err, and destroy the ways of thy path." Isaiah 3vs12.

Yeah! Just like today where many have destroyed the very foundation of the apostls doctrines, and taking heed to doctrines of the Devil, Leading the people astray from the ancient landmarks of truth, by teaching the commandments of men rather than the one God Himself gave. Paul in 1Cor. 2vs1, and 4, makes it clear that eloquent of speech, enticing words of man's wisdom, does not teach the scriptures regarding the mind of God. Those who claim to fear God will keep to His words without a second thought. The decree God made in Genesis 3 was the same decree that was reiterated in 1Corinthians 14 vs34, and particularly at vs 38, where the Apostle reminded them that it was actually the Commandment of the Lord (refering back to Genesis 3vs16), and which MUST be observed in all churches of the saints. It is the same commandment he kept and also ordered his son in the Lord (Timothy) to duely observed and enforce in the church at Ephesus.

The word of God is yeah and amen. It is either you accept it as it is or you don't accept it at all. You can not accept the word of God conditionally, neither can you bend it or mis-interprete it or over emphasise it to suit your taste and like. Alot of intellectuals like the youtube one above, would always want to point out that there are errors, misquotations, misuse of words, misrepresentation, mistranslation, etc; and such others like puntuations, quotation marks, aspects of verbs, etc, etc. But the truth is, God is unlimited, beyond errors, and knows all things even before they came to be. What has been written, has been written. The way the Bible is today is how God wants it to be, and as far as God is concerned, nothing is wrong with the scriptures! No scriptures is of any private interpretation (2 Peter 1vs20). The word of God interprete itself, but it is only them that have faith in it, and doesn't seek after their own, that would catch the revelation, while the rest continue to grope in intellectual darkness.

Thus, those who are redefining God's law, or trying to give the woman back her lost position, can continue on such course of deviance and rebelion against God. Just as Paul said it, "If any man choose to be ignorant, let him be ignorant".


"Behold i come quickly"...Rev.3vs11; 22vs7. "...to give every man according as his work shall be". 22vs12.



Shalom!

The concept of women becoming preachers of the gospel in the church, is one of the numerous satanic doctrines that is working against the church today. Satan, just as he did Eve, has so made people to "reason" with the word of God instead of accepting what God have said unconditionally.

Women preachers; where do you find such things in the bible as women preachers, women bishops, deaconess, pastoress, reverend Mrs and so forth? Jesus never ordained such things nor did the apostles of Jesus Christ. This is simply the doctrine of devils which has crept into the church to make the foolish virgins fall away.

when men and women gather for church services, the bible forbids a woman leading in any aspect of the service. The Bible could not be more explicit when it stated that;

"For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. LET YOUR WOMEN KEEP SILENCE in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the 'law'(old testament)....for it is a shame for women to speak in the church....But If any man (like our preachers and intellectuals of today) think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are THE COMMANDMENTS OF THE LORD (Jesus). But if any man be ignorant (thinking that they know more than lthe LORD that gave the commandment), let him be ignorant.
1 Cor. 14 vs 33-38. Also repeated in 1Tim.2vs11-15.

Some church leaders who have lost respect for the Bible will/have deny/denied this and go/gone ahead to appoint women as Rgt reverend Mrs, Choirmistresses, Pioneers, Songleaders, Pastors, Overseers etc, where there are men. Judgement is coming.

God forbid women taking the position of men in the church, and beyond, in preaching and in prayer leading everywhere. 1Tim.2vs8-12. Titus 2vs 3-8, Matt 28vs16-20, Mark, 16vs14-20, Acts 1vs2, Acts 6vs8-10, Acts 8vs3-8; Acts 18vs24-28.
See the Bible way women participate in Preaching of the Gospel- Luke8vs1-3. It was in this pattern that the noble Sister Lydia made provision of accomodation and feeding for Paul and his Evangelical team in Philip of Macedonia. Acts16vs14,15. It was in similar fashion that Sister Phebe served the church in Cenchrea (as succourer) by rendering help to those who have material needs including their Overseer - Paul (Romans 16vs1-2). That was how Sister Priscilla laboured with her husband -Acquila in the conversion of Appolos Apollos in Acts 18vs24-28. What about Dorcas, Sister Euodias? None of these were seen heading the churches in their time. Why should it be different now?

The truth is God is not the author of today's confusion about sisters roles in Gospeling, but the problem is with our i sabi-too much, stiff necked educated church leaders who think they know more than God and the Apostles.

But at the end, we all shall have our reward.

pass111:
In Christ there is no such thing as slave nor free born, there is no Jew nor gentile, no Woman nor man , all are equal before the lord remember The grace is available to ALL ... even the grace to preach, minister etc.

The place you are trying to quote is Galatians 3 vs 28, which has nothing to do with the preaching of the Gospel or the position of authority. The whole of the chapter 3 of Galatians was primarily talking about the concept of righteouness brought about by salvation through grace by faith in Christ Jesus-the fulfilment of the promise of Abraham.
The verse 28 of the said chapter simply finalized that the whole concept of grace-justification, sanctification, and Baptism- the finished work of salvation, was made available to all, regardless of sex, age, colour, or status.

It does not have anything to do with the issue of officiating, authority or preaching of the word in the church.

We must understand that when it comes to worship, there are rules for Divine Worship, otherwise, we will be worshiping God in His Anger; doing God a service without His will.

softapples:
The Word of God proclaims, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent” ( 1 Timothy 2:11–12). In the church, God assigns different roles 2 men and women. This is a result of the way mankind was created and D way in which sin entered the world ( 1 Timothy 2:13–14). God, through the apostle Paul, restricts women from serving in roles of teaching and/or having spiritual authority over men. This precludes women from serving as pastors over men, which definitely includes preaching to them, teaching them publicly, and exercising spiritual authority over them.
There are many objections to this view of women in pastoral ministry. A common one is that Paul restricts women from teaching because in the first century, women were typically uneducated. However, 1 Timothy 2:11–14 nowhere mentions educational status. If education were a qualification for ministry, then D majority of Jesus’ disciples would not be qualified.

you are spot on. The word of God can not be broken. Many people simply don't want to take what is explicitly stated by the bible, rather they will chose to believe what man tells them, what their bishops and reverends tells them to do. This has been, and is still the problem with christianity of today.