₦airaland Forum

DMerciful:
Germany fought first world war and second world war so saying if you have seen war you should be afraid is cowardice. If the conditions that cause the first war still prevails, then a second one becomes unavoidable but better strategy will be employed this time around

Germans largely supported a second world war because most civilians never saw the war happening around them on German soil in WW1, yes there were other issues that made the WW2 look attractive to the civilian population.

When the war finally came into Germany and Germans understood what a war looked like in WW2 because the war was fought on their soil this time, Germany and Germans are at the forefront of a war free world today.

brightokechukwu:
My apologies, surely I can do better.

That's OK, we're humans.

brightokechukwu:
And who made you the spokesman for those areas?, you do realize that that are Igbo speaking areas within the same "Old Rivers" and major parts of the so called south south right?

And you have to be naive to think allies aren't a big deal, in the global politics of today ALLIES ARE A BIG DEAL. Otherwise Isreal would have been wiped off the map if not for American support, I can give other instances as well.

Let's start with the SE Igbos first, when have you had a meeting with them on a possible war or referendum?

I said allies are not the issue, the quality and strength of the allies are the real deal.

DMerciful:
I modified my response..referendum is the request now

Same question, when have you discussed it with the Igbos?

DMerciful:
Biafra will come with coalition of the willing.Many minority groups have indicated interest but the Igbos can go alone 100%

When have you had a meeting with the Igbos and you were told they want a Biafra?

0monnak0da:
That is the attitude of the raucous and unruly minority who are even drawing maps of Biafra including all kinds of places.
They covet Port Harcourt which they renamed as Igweocha despite the fact that Ikwerre soundlyrejected them in 1970

Very pathetic if you ask me.

DMerciful:
I said what IF!

How can you be talking of getting your Biafra with an IF? This to me doesn't show any seriousness on your part, what IF that your hope is quickly dashed and it starts to hunt you?
I guess you'd start another IF

0monnak0da:
Who is the judge of what is Igboland?
Is Rivers state Igboland
What If parts of Igboland opt out of Biafra?

Problem is that he's not told us how the Igbos of the SE agreed to his Biafra

DMerciful:
If we declared Biafra, this people you say dont care will be the one to start problems!

Get the ball rolling and let's see those who'd be starting the problems

DMerciful:
What if some minorities say they want to be part of Biafra? Those Igbos in other parts of Nigeria, there will give period of transition probably 5yrs so everything can be negotiated, it mustn't be war. Or we can have a confederation but we cannot allow Nigeria to remain as it is currently structured, it helps no one, not even the Hausa-Fulanis

Before you move to the SS, when has the SE told you they want out, did you have a meeting with them, when and where?

0monnak0da:
Typical Igbo boastfulness

This is an anonymous forum
You have no way of knowing what others have accomplished.
Be humble, I know that is a big ask for Igbos but try.

Since we are not going to verify you trip to Mars or your conversion of water to pure Rioja why bring it up.
That seems quite immature and insecure

Just imagine o, you've said it all and better than I did sef.

brightokechukwu:
Lol quite predictably you conclude I'm a kid, not that I was expecting any different from you. I can tell this much, online talk aside, the things I've seen and done, places I've gone and feats I've accomplished, you CAN NEVER even in your wildest imaginations replicate. Let me just leave it at that.

I never insulted you because I felt two adults were having a discourse and you started insulting, adults don't do that.

See you equally boasting on an anonymous site, you don't even know who you're talking with, adults don't do such even if he's Bill Gates or Dangote, they can't condescend that low.

DMerciful:
Others seems to be concerned so I'm telling them to chart their own destiny. Nigeria is a mere geographical expression where oil and water cannot mix

Nobody begged you to tell anyone, do your thing first.

brightokechukwu:
Refute my points or STFU, stop boring me with your one liners.

Making no points, start your war and let it end there.

DMerciful:
Ok..so how is Malaysia and Singapore today? If Singapore had stayed what would have become of them? Sometimes you need to chart your own destiny to prosper!

Agree first that yes made a mistake of merging Indonesia and Singapore as one country, no apologies.
This is the same thing you carry into national politics and have been having your fingers burnt since 2015, always too proud to apologise even when you know you were wrong.

0monnak0da:
The problem with that approach is that they lose out on two fronts. They lose relevance in Nigerian politics whilst moving further from realisation of Biafra.

I tell you, why will some people fail to understand their history and know where they failed in the past and try not to repeat same mistakes is what I don't understand

brightokechukwu:
So it's only Nigeria that will have international allies and neighboring friends abi? Secondly which territories will be Nigeria and Biafra in the event of a breakup? you see how unintelligent you sound when you try to sound smart?

Old Southeastern state (akwa-cross), old Rivers (Rivers and Bayelsa) are off for starters so don't be deceived by IPOB with their phantom maps.
Allies ain't the big deal, the quality and strength are the real deal.

DMerciful:
If you're an Easterner then you need to understand your people. We are not trying to leave Nigeria out of hatred, No! Its because Nigeria promotes mediocrity, injustice and lack of equity. We cannot become a developed nation like Europe and US , Canada if we maintain the status quo. Dont you have national ambition?

Getting a Biafra is a good cause but it must be done in a way not to hurt millions of Igbo lives on the line, I can bet that majority of Igbos on nairaland do not stay in Igboland, have you asked yourself about their fate when they'd be declared foreigners and made to go back to Biafra to get their papers and visas to reenter Nigeria?
Do you realise that your Biafra would be majorly the present SE and the SS minorities would've been stripped off Biafra?
You'd be surrounded by Nigeria and she determines what comes in and goes out of Biafra?

brightokechukwu:
I don't have to ignite it, look around you mo.ron,Nigeria is already in a civil war already without a gun been fired, now imagine when the real thing begins? Events like that will separate cowards like yourself from real men who go out to do the needful.

@bolded, that's how we know kids around, they resort to insults whenever they run out of ideas.

It's obvious your war would start and end on nairaland.

DMerciful:
It's a matter of time!

Inform Nigeria when you are serious and stop giving excuses about time. Ojukwu declared Biafra without waiting for a 'time'

DMerciful:
What happened in Ore was because the military government situated in Lagos first attacked Biafra so Biafrans were taking the war to Gowon to remove him. Ofcourse there will be resistance.
They did not shoot civilians, w
Did they?
Now you have spoken your mind on not wanting Biafra as not necessarily the issue of building bridges but your fear of the aftermath. Why not chart your own determination? Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and as such a nation cannot come out of it in a million years. Unless you have accepted that you ok with the way Nigeria is for a long time because it's only gonna get worse. Where is your ambition? Dont you want to stay in a country that will someday be referred to as a developed country? Nigeria cannt achieve this forever to why stay on this ship?
Niger Delta you say you are protecting? Is it Imo or Abia or Anioma that part on Niger Delta? Niger Delta will be the first to leave after Biafra!

Go for what you want and stop involving others or begging them to chart any self determination, if you need a war, declare it fast

brightokechukwu:
What this dunderheads, most especially delusional clowns like most people here don't get is that IF there's to be another civil war in Nigeria today, EVERY region in Nigeria will be affected, and will be a theater of war. Some fools still think we are in 1967 where the war was brought to the East, and mostly fought there... today lots of things have changed, the power play for one is longer favorable to the Igbos( which was the case in the First republic that engendered the fear of Ibo domination)... the political landscape has also significantly changed in the context recent events... the Middle belt who were used as willing tools and foot soldiers to prosecute the war during Biafra definitely won't take sides with the North these time for obvious reasons not helped in part by the Fulani killings of their people... the duplicity of the South South won't play out cause we know they sabotaged Biafra due to the creation of states by Gowon, and the much touted fear of Igbo domination. Now all these factors are no longer in the favor of the war noisemakers... only the West is in debate cause they are neither here or there, but a better sense of fact tells me they have been shortchanged by their Northern masters, and won't play ball to their machinations anymore...

So the question is, who and who will fight the Igbos in a second war?

Long story short after the long epistle, some want a war and most don't, those who regale in another civil war should start it in earnest instead of predicting what they know nothing about

DMerciful:
Why not tell us the history? You want to behave like INEC that said result is fake without producing the original. Tell us the history!

Singapore, Malaysia both were granted independence by the Brits, both decided to form a single country because Singapore felt they were so small to stand alone and also because of a common defense with a bigger country, Malaysia.
After some ideological differences which couldn't be sorted out after some years of being together, the union was dissolved.

Indonesia had earlier proclaimed its independence from the Dutch years before and was never a part of the union

0monnak0da:
What is the way forward?
All that talk will not result in Biafra

All this talk is empty and impotent

What is the plan?
War?

Ojukwu went to Aburi for restructuring
THAT is laughable

Who changed the structure in the first place?


It was Ironsi with decree 34 1966

That one is talking about referendum and secession while his guys are talking about war, let them bring anything on, getting a Biafra would and must be determined by Nigeria only

DMerciful:
We would suffer but bounce back again just like Germany and Isreal.
But Nigeria surviving another civil war? After what you did to the useful tools(middle belt) after the first civil war? They won't join you this time! We have lot of Igbos in SW so definitely SW will also be a theater of war. You should be afraid more due to the high level of foreigners in SW! Igbos will survive, we always do!

Nigeria will not survive another civil war but Biafra would, lol, please go and sleep.

By the time Nigeria restricts entry of everything in your Biafra, you'd know how far, it happened before.

Remember that all Biafrans would've been officially expelled from Nigeria to move into Biafra and go fight the war.
You better move into surrounding countries whenever Biafra is declared if you would want to survive that war you've always yearned for

DMerciful:
By their fruits we shall know them. You have not hidden you hatred for Igbos! But to be a coward for not defending your hatred but denying it is pathetic!
Btw I cannot hate my people!

Direct your hate to the appropriate quarters please, I know some of you hate to hear facts even from your own but who cares.

0monnak0da:
They held out for so long because Nigeria gave them food for over a year. This time that would never happen.

Here is the problem with you.
You talk so much about injustice without a practical way forward.
Outrage is not a plan
You will suffer heavily without Yoruba support if you go to war.
You need to think more long term but sadly as a group you lack discipline
W

Some kids would just never give up, they think a war is just like a war game on their appliances, a war that the older generation who went through it have vowed never to see such again.

DMerciful:
It is said that no nation survives a second civil war so history is in our favour. If there is a war this time Biafra will succeed because America already has concerns about the Christians being killed and the ethnic cleansing going on in Nigeria. Even the Europeans too, and I'm sure Isreal will offer more support. There are a lot of Yorubas who are also Igbos due to inter-marriages so it will not be as easy for Yorubas to align with hausas to kill Igbos like 1967. We also have a lot of Igbos in the diaspora that will do everything possible to support to the fullest.Biafra will be restored no doubt, it's a matter of time! The longer and harder you push the Igbos away, the closer to Biafra they get

Stop the threats about the next war and start it off already.

brightokechukwu:
Are you just naively daft or intentionality oblivious of the political realities in Nigeria? Otherwise your stupidity which is sadly a smokescreen to your better sense of reasoning, will know the biggest obstacle to restructuring or outright secession from Nigeria is predicated on a lopsided arrangement that has the Hausa/Fulani dominating every sphere of government dowm to the minutest parastatal in Nigeria. They dominate the NASS by a majority, and that's where the heart of the every legislative decision affecting the nation including disgruntled elements of it are inexorably tied. Now in the situation when it's already commonplace knowledge that they (the Northern power brokers) are vehemently opposed to restructuring or break up (as One Nigeria evidently favors them), what would you have the Igbos do when the other ethnic nationalities in the south are either too docile about demanding and spelling their political destinies, or too facetious, untrustworthy, and subservient to the North just to enjoy crumbs in the corridor of power.. surely a race as proud as the Igbos won't lower themselves to kiss aSS in the name of Political correctness or some rubbish handshake across the Niger just to get their way.

So it's either one of two things that will decide that political future of Nigeria, and not your bullshit talk of Igbos been politically naive or 5% blah blah blah (you have a brain, use it).

(1) There has to be another Nigerian civil war, and we know no nations survives another war.. the cost of lives will sadly be high, but the key thing here is that the ethno-political landscape of Nigeria today is very dynamic, this time every section of the country that fought against Biafra are now against the current status quo... it's now fast dissecting into the North vs the rest of Nigeria (maybe except the Yorubas, knowing how naturally treacherous you guys are), but the point is, it won't be Nigeria against the Igbos again... as it's now evident Igbos are not the problem of the country from the political stake point of domination and hegemony which the Hausa/Fulani have cornered to themselves.

(2) A natural self-implosion of Nigeria- This one seems more feasible considering the current vices plaguing that country, the problem of Nigeria is too much to even break down to any thesis, but every indices boils down to one thing at the end, the unity of these country is no longer tenable... so surely Nigeria has to self-implode and fragment itself along ethnic, religious, social, and political lines.


Get these simple facts into your thick skull, and stop sounding like a dunce.

Start the civil war as soon as possible or do you need any moral support?
1967 would be child's play

DMerciful:
When you say British conquered Nigeria, you made it seems they are still enforcing their conquest, are they? If Igbos have enmity with Yorubas and Hausas(already conquered by Fulanis) as you claim, that should actually speed the breakup of Eastern Nigeria from Nigeria.
Remember how Singapore was driven from Indonesia? If there is enmity between persons, breakup should be easier actually. Its difficult for friends to break up!
Having said that, something must give so the longer you insist on suppressing Biafra, the longer Nigeria remains in the woods because no unity of purpose. You are only hurting yourself in the process. Igbos are very resilient people so Nigeria go tire!

Just see how you just bastardized the history of two countries, why not stick to what you have a full knowledge about?

0monnak0da:
All of that is sentimental talk
No one should go to bed hungry but millions do
The problem with many Igbos is refusal to deal with reality.
Reality is Igboland was conquered by the British and handed over to the Nigerian state.
No amount of righteous indignation will change that reality.

If the Igbo want to achieve Biafra then they need to figure out an approach that will work.

Will this current approach work?

This logic of

Our cause is just and therefore it will happen is quite childish

My opinion is that to succeed the Igbos need fewer antagonists and more friendships within and outside Nigeria.
Strangely Igbos believe enmity with Yoruba and Hausa is the right strategy. Good luck with that


Let us imagine that Biafra does happen what is the vision of what the Nigerian space would look like?
Any vision of friendship or partnership?

Another problem Igbos have is emotionalism

Germany caused so much mayhem in WWII
Today they are at the centre of the EU
The Igbos on the other hand continue to spout rhetoric of their perceived superiority and to project their bitterness from the loss in 1970.

Get over yourselves that desire for revenge which seems to to motivate many of you will not happen

This is the major problem Igbos today are failing to understand.

nku5:
Ojukwu was in power in the Eastern Region and had the backing of the Eastern Regional legislature and council of chiefs to form an independent state. Gowon and co that executed a bloody coup and abolished the regions were even less legitimate but had more guns.

Which Effiong? Quit this clowning

Are you saying that regional power now supersedes that of the centre for Ojukwu to have unilaterally secede from the union?
Eastern region laws doesn't and cannot override that of the federal government.

Federal government says no secession and it is binding on all component parts