₦airaland Forum

muafrika: @ArtanK, I once came across one politically incorrect blog trying to prove the book of Genesis with anthropology. Any who, she writes about a prehistoric kingdom of Kush, split in two, one in northern Africa and the other in the middle East. They were founded by two brothers. The Dinka/Nuer ascertain themselves as descendants of the kingdom of Kush, which leaves you, Somalis-and I suspect, other cushitic people as you share the same spirit(the charcteristic cross eye of most cushites that would allude to an East Asian mix, in addition to neighbouring peoples) having back migrated into Africa in recent history as the most likely other half of the Kingdom.

That's absurd man come on.
Keywords: incorrect and blog.
Anyone can jot something down on a blog and claim that it's scientific research.

Genetics prove that Somalis and other Cushtic groups in the Horn are closer to the Berbers of North Africa despite living just next door to Nilotic people.

muafrika: @ArtanK, And long limbs, slender bone structure, and for some of you, an exeptionally dark chocolate colour, like the Orma who keep fighting with the Pokomo Bantu farmers.

Our elongated body shapes doesn't prove that we are half Nilotic and half Arab though

muafrika: @ArtanK, its history and your genetics puts you with the sudanese.

If you're talking about the Cushtic Beja in Sudan, you're correct but if you're insinuating that many Somalis are mixed thus makes them similar to the mixed Sudanese Arabs then you are incorrect mate. The only thing we have in common is Islam.

muafrika: Fulaman198: Of course like other cushites, you intermarried with nilotes, plus, west African is not an identity. Tutsies of Rwanda are related to you, and I suspect the Somali and few other East African tribes masquerading as bantu. This seems to be the history of subsaharan Africa. The Bantu subded the pygmy and hottentots, and were in turn overun by Arabic/Cushitic nomadic invaders who usurped their estabished systems and language, after which European colonialists subdued them all, and on our fake indepence, they instituted puppet governments of the previously subdued. Only Ethiopia escaped colonialism.

The reason I refer to Fulani as Arabs is that they treated their subdued people as their Arabic fathers before them, in culture and slave trade. Your origin is among African Arabs. You Fulani are also related to the more Arabic Tuareg. Its your blood more than it is about your skin colour. Somalis have embraced their half Arab side, though similarly, some may be in doubt of their nilotic half.

What kind of tomfoolery is this? Somalis are not half Arab and half Nilotic.

Laya: Their genetics put them right in east Africa, going by their genetics unless they migrated to Madagascar
and back to east Africa. The Somalis genetics also put them in east Africa for thousands of years.
The Oromo and Somalis are predominantly E1B1B with a lot of other similarities, such as language, preIslamic
name for "God", looks and so on.

I'm not disputing that, just stating their version of their history.
It is no secret that they are a confederacy though, there are many Somali & Afar clans who are classed as Oromo in Ethiopia.

Germany won't be alone on this smh

CAMNEWTON4PRES: So it's no longer Mozambique ? it's now northern Kenya LFMao

You conquered that desert par from who? What institution was there? What kingdom? What empire ? What ethnicity?

Will b waiting bring me evidences of how you conquered it which means how u removed the Bantu occupants ...keep exposing your lies

You knucklehead, I know you're francophone but wtf, can your tiny brain compute simple English or nah?

Somalis were raiding and conquering so much land from bantus that they had complained to their British Massa and if your British Massa hadn't stopped us, you would have been crying from Mozambique today.

That's what I said. I never said we took Mozambique. If you can't understand that then there is no point of debating with you.

And tell me what lies you've caught me out on?

1. You said Somalis lived in present day Kenya, Tanzania, Burundi and etc around 1000 BC and the Bantu migrants took their land. That's a lie. At that time Somalis lived in the Northern part of Ethiopia.

2. You said that the Bantu taught the cushites how to farm and so on. That's a lie. It was the southern Cushites who taught the Bantu about crop cultivation, irrigation, livestock husbandry and many other things... Basically how to farm properly.

3. You said that we (Somalis) never took land from the Bantu. That's a lie. I've shown you a credible source that clearly states that the Garre Somali pushed Bantu people from the river Juba to deep inside Kenya.

I'll be back soon though, I'll show you multiple sources describing exactly how we conquered the land and which Somali clans that did it.

@ CAMNEWTON4PRES & @ osystein I'll be back with more books for you guys to read (about how we conquered south Somalia and north eastern Kenya in less than 200 years soon).

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Kenya 1974? right lmfa you are a joke this is a doctored picture

I constantly check Bantu census in east Africa kenya is considered Bantu territory the largest group being also a Bantu clan, now you show me a map let's say somalians even occupies such a large portion of Kenya ,you are still under bantu administration you are indeed the definition of conquered land, no needmto say that most of the somalians living in that region are refugees coming from Somali the zone is full of refugee camps and other soamlians who settled there , just like bakassi (Nigeria vs Cameroon ) there are more Nigerians living there still it is a Cameroonian territory under Cameroon administration


Let's use words that you understand , a chip on my shoulder over what? You are the ones who started talking about Cushitic now that we have proved beyond any doubt that we shagged, dominated, conquered and civilized Cushitic u are attempting a gymnastic to remove somalians , are u guys no longer Cushitic ? Imas a Bantu from Cameroon can say the somalians never raided my land ? So ? We are talking in general Cushitic vs Bantu regardless the clan

And if indeed the Somalians escaped the Bantu domination it explains why they still remain the uncivilized in eastern Africa

There are almost 3 million Somalis in that region and less than half a million are refugees. They are going back to good old Jubbaland now that Alshabab is gone.

You were the one who started talking about Somalis first mate then when I proved that we came from the North you switched it to Cushites. I'm a proud Cushite and if Bantus had displaced a few of us thousands of years ago, it was only because the Somalis weren't present. We were too busy fighting with the Habesha in Ethiopia and Eritrea.

You mention Italians colonising Somalis LOL every Tom, Dick and Harry knows that certain Somali clans sought for help from the Italians so they could defend themselves from other powerful clans. The Dervish warriors fought against the British, Ethiopians and Italians and all three enemies had Somalis soldiers and generals working for them because it wasn't in their best interest.

You can also keep on repeating that Somalis are uncivilised but the fact is we were a monumental part of the greatest civilisations to ever grace the African continent.

osystein: My guy, in all the regions that the bantus expanded to, they occupy the most fertile regions, the arid parts is the land they left for the alians cause they have no interest in it.

There're also khoisan groups still present in Tanzania like the hadzabe and sandawe, so what's you point about the few cushitics left in Tanzania?

Compare the map you posted with these and tell me what you notice.

https://images.nationmaster.com/images/motw/africa/kenya_veg_1974.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Kenya_sat.png/413px-Kenya_sat.png

Left it or chased out? Check my reply to your Bantu friend. Bantu people were present in lands north of the river Jubba in Somalia before the Galla and Somalis descended upon them.

The land between Somalia's main rivers Shabelle and Jubba is arable land.

Just to give you an idea where the rivers are located..

https://www.somwe.com/riverbasins.jpg

Now where is the border between Somalis and Bantus today?

CAMNEWTON4PRES: I will b waiting for you tomorrow or another day , be sure that I will answer ...I will pat more recent news about somalians begging Bantu for food and Somalian women trying to put their bastards children on Bantu soldiers

LOL! Are we talking about women now? Weak guy lmao. The one woman who married a Ugandan soldier doesn't represent all Somali women. If you wanna talk about women, I suggest you have a word with Axum/Ajuran.

But anyways you can read here how the Oromo + Garre, Darod and other Somali clans pushed the Bantus from the Jubba river(some 200 km) inside Somalia to past the river Tana in Kenya.

It is suggested that Garre or proto-Garre Somali gained control of the area between the Juba and the Tana rivers before the Galla arrived in this area, and that in the process the Garre were responsible for pushing Bantu-speaking peoples back to the river Tana. However, it is also argued that the area initially controlled by Bantu-speaking peoples in the Horn of Africa was much more limited than is generally assumed. It is then suggested that around the sixteenth century the Orma Galla migrated to the coast from southern Ethiopia via the Lorian Swamp and the river Tana and not by the river Juba as is generally argued. The arrival of the Orma led to a further retreat of Bantu-speaking peoples towards the Sabaki river, and then to a retreat of the Somali northwards in the direction of the Juba river. In this way the nineteenth-century Somali drive southwards can be seen to some extent as a reconquest of land occupied earlier by them.

Source: The Journal of African History (1975) by E. R Turton.

Not only did we take land from the Bantu but also from the Galla who outnumber Somalis immensely. The Somali expansion in the south began in 1805.

You keep repeating that Ethiopia and Somalia is a dry and barren land. Have you forgotten that it was the Bantu slaves that worked on the Somali farms in South Somalia? And you must be put of your mind if you think that Ethiopia is barren. Less than 20% of the land is a desert, the rest is covered with green and lush valleys.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: keep on dreaming , so now it's riots not conquests lmfaomlike I said all empires have faced raids ..that's the best the Somalian could, it only shows that the wealthy Bantu dominated you and u resorted to raiding ,furthermore Bantu kingdoms were trading with European countries so them asking assistance from British navy is what it is assistance not playing massa

When you are done making up lies holla at me , lol at Somalian conquering Bantu land , the idea of such happening is indeed very laughable

Lmao @ the bolded. I'm done here tonight, I'll see you tomorrow night.

@CAMNEWTON4PRES

I will post the accounts of Bantus crying to the British about Somalis tomorrow. Prepare yourself my Bantu friend you won't like it

CAMNEWTON4PRES: http://willmore.net/fall_of_zimbabwe.htm

Thats political correctness , nowadays there is no such thing as primitive or uncivilized . If your civilzation was so complex and that great, why is that there is no trace of any Cushitic ''civilization" over there , while there are still trace of zimbabwe kingdom and other Bantu kingdoms and empires , stop leeching my friend, of all the Cushitic Somalian are probably the most primitive and backward talk less about back then ..you can look up about when we started manufacturing weapons, I repeat Cushitic ,Nilotic,Khoisan &co were throwing stones and using sticks

Admit it you just have this chip on your shoulder, since you didn't take any land from Somalis you decided to talk about Iraqws and weak little cushtic tribes who by the way are still present in Tanzania. LOL

I'm talking to you as a Somali while you're crying " but the Bantu are strong" all the way from Cameroon

Feast your eyes on this

https://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/3256_1368625639_kenya-ethnic-1974.jpg

Half of it is cushtic

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Little correction 900BCE do you know how old that is ?

You brag about using swords in the 17 &18 th century when Bantu were colonizing half of Africa with the same swords and knives ?!

Read this http://willmore.net/fall_of_zimbabwe.htm

Artank

You don't get it do you. Although you were as you claim 'masters of the metal' we still took your land with metal. Where were the mighty Bantu when a couple of thousand Somali horsemen ran riots in your lands?

CAMNEWTON4PRES: So you left Tanzania ,Uganda ,Kenya to attack Mozambique? this is indeed funny, you know what I don't believe you were a threat if your story is even true , probably some raids here and there nothing to worry about, proof is mozambique is a 100% Bantu country there is no conquest without settlement where did all the Somalian conquerers go? That's if such thing ever existed
Furthermore you talking about british shows again that you are in a very recent timeline , we had already settled there for millenniums

Now if we see it form a different angle why the obsession with Mozambique ? Probably because it was your homeland and you were displaced by the powerful Bantu . Thats a guess don't tremble yet

Just because you don't understand English, I will repeat it in simple English. Somalis were raiding and conquering so much land from bantus that they had complained to their British Massa and the British Massa hadn't stopped us, you would have been crying from Mozambique today. But don't worry we are not like the southern cushites, Somalis only conquer land and we don't lose.

For the millionth time Somalis are newcomers to South Somalia and Kenya so of course I'm talking about recent history.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: We introduced iron and metal tools and weapons in eastern ,southern and central Africa , so you boasting or bragging about swords and spears is funny, because when we found you ,you guys were using stones and sticks , while Bantu blacksmith were making weapons around 500BCE. You keep confirming what have been said here, we civilized you. Now say thank you

What a guy Lmao swords are made out of metal in case you didn't know that.

The reference that osystein presented even stated that southern cushites had complex civilisations in those regions.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: don't eat your tongue, funny guy, now they are Khoisan who were absorbed by Cushitic ,do you even understand what that implies ? For you to absorb any Khoisan groups it means you lived in southern Africa and present , now there are no more cushitic anywhere in southern Africa so what does that tell ...your guess is good as mine knowing well that the Bantu are 99% of southern Africa

Ok I may have been wrong on one occasion but hey you were the one who claimed that you brought civilisation to the 'wild Somalis'. When I proved to you that we came from up north you changed it to we taught Cushites how to farm and build irrigation systems. You were wrong on both occasions.
The fact is Bantu's have never conquered any land from Somalis, history proves that we conquered thousands of miles with a few good horsemen, swords and spears. Furthermore Bantus would have been complaining to the British from Mozambique if they hadn't stopped our expansion.

Laya: Some Oromo said the name "Galla" was given to them by the Amharas, which the Oromos view as derogatory, and that
Oromo is their correct name. What I am wondering is - is there a connection between the ancient Egyptian(Kemet) name
"rm, or "rom" which means "men, the people, men above men" and the name "Oromo" especially in the sense where it means
people (the Oromos) like the term Bantu which also means the people. If that's the case not only would "Oromo" means the same thing as
the ancient Egyptian (Kemet) "rm, or "rom" but also basically the same word.

Also the fact that the ancient Egyptian (Kemet) didn't use vowels therefore they would write the word
"Oromo" as "rm"

The Oromo themselves claim they were originally from Madagascar and they migrated to Ethiopia and Kenya gradually. The name Oromo was first used by historians a couple of centuries ago despite the Oromo being older than the Somalis, they were called Galla or Gaallo/Gaalmadow (btw we gave them that name) while famous historians wrote about Somalis as far back as the 11th century.

osystein: here 's a link
http://ecoplanetafrica.com/tanzania-people-origin/

again, there were already khoisan people in southern africa before the bantu migration, those in south east africa were replaced ( same cushites), but there're still few remaining in the region.

Although it is not a viable reference, I've done some research myself and it turns out that the Iraqw and other groups are cushtic. I always thought they were Khoisan, they could be one of those khoisan groups that was absorbed by the southern cushites before the Bantu migration but that's just a speculation.

Laya: HA HA..that's all you got? you are a real simpleton
You might have just blown your trolling "white" racists pretending to be Somali cover with that statement.
HA HA, "Amahara and Tigrey" is not "Cushitic" they are Semitic, HA HA.

Moreover: many "Amahara, Tigrey" and "Cushitic" overlap with Bantus in their looks, and don't all look the same way,
and don't look like "white people" but look like African Blacks and predominantly think of them selves as such.

The real cave man is your masters. If you are a Somali(indigenous) you are retarded and slave minded to the point
that you reverence the "white" man your master and what he do, and say to the point you even think you
are apartheid "white" Boer, hence your view of the very term Bantu as "degrading", and think you are the ku klax klan.
The same goes for any Somali who think like you.

Are you dark-skinned?

Ignore him. This troll is pretending to be Somali.

osystein: You mean proof that the were cushitic language speakers in Tanzania before the arrival of the bantu speakers, or that they were displaced?

Both please.

osystein: Khoisan didn't move southwards, there were already khoisan in the southern region, like cushites, those in south east africa were displaced and absorbed by the bantus. Ofcoz there're still khoisan people and cushites in the region (south east africa ), but their numbers reduced after the arrival of the bantu speakers.

The Khoisan groups in south east Africa moved southwards after the Bantu migration.

Fulaman198: The more you use something, the better you guys will get at it. The Arabs, Russians (and other Slavic people), the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, etc. etc. never lost their script. It may take time, but it's more than possible to go back to it.

True, I truly hope we go back to it soon.

CAMNEWTON4PRES: khoisan are in the southern part, what about the eastern part ?just tell me Tanzania, Kenya,uganda, Burundi etc were empty and we will call it a day

Khoisan peeps moved southwards because of Bantu migrations. Why can't you prove that Bantus displaced Cushites in southern east Africa?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpkZeG5KCs

Fulaman198: Artan, are you able to read your script?

No adopting this script will be very difficult.

Bororojo: This looks like some other version of Ge'ez ......

In my opinion, it looks like it was influenced by this version of Somali script that was used in the north west and Djibouti (E-soul's peeps).

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/43/Borama-script.gif

osystein: The bantus absorbed and displaced cushites in Tanzania, Somalis are not the only cushites.

Proof?

Sorry walal, I didn't see this post.

EnlightenedSoul: 1) What was the last book you read?

The sum of all men - David Farland

2) How old will you be at your next birthday?

I'll be 23 in March.

3) What do you love more than anything?

The people in my life.

4) What is your song of the week?

Let it be - Labrinth. This guy is turning into a fine artist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwGERoFtQoM

5) Do you still watch cartoons?

If Family Guy and The Boonducks come under the cartoon category then yes .

6) Have you ever gotten into a fight?

Yes but I haven't gotten into one in almost 8 years now.

7) Favourite food?

Chicken&couscous.

8. Are you lazy?

I'm lazy when I'm allowed to be lazy.

9) Are you afraid of heights?

I'm only afraid of heights when I'm standing on top of desk chairs with wheels.

10) Zodiac sign:

Aries.

11) Favorite thing ever:

Football Manager

12) Can you die for anyone?

Definitely my mother.

13) Ever been in love?

Nope.

14) Do you miss anyone right now?

Yes.

15) Who was the last person to call you?

A friend of mine

16) Last crush?

Eva Mendes


17) If you could have one super power what would it be?

Telekinesis or teleportation, can't decide.

18) What’s the most important thing you look for in a significant other?

beauty and the brains

19) Can you go bungee jumping?

I've done it before so yes.

20) Most stressful thing you've ever done

Last few months of Gymnasium

Omarbah: I think the latin script with minor modifications is good. Whichever Alphabet is used doesn't really matter in my opinion as long as Somali study in their language.

I'd rather get rid of the Latin alphabet completely. Changing our script would teach the younger generations to be proud of their heritage (not that Somalis are lacking in pride lol).

CAMNEWTON4PRES: Okay so that means prior the Arabs you had no alphabet or script right? No texts/books either

Don't get me wrong I'm actually trying to find and know African ethnic group who developped their own script or alphabet without any external influence
So far only Ethiopian

Somali people too, but because most clans had their own kingdom/sultanate/geradship we had multiple scripts. The Latin orthography was only adopted in 1972. There is hope of bringing back those lost scripts, I hope that happens sometime soon.

This is called Osmanya and it was used by my clan in the north east.

[img]http://www.afrikanistik-aegyptologie-online.de/archiv/2010/2723/dippArticle-14.jpg[/img]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwGERoFtQoM